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2014-05-11 11:15:18 AM
Will the new interface let me middle click a message in my inbox and open it in a separate tab?
 
2014-05-11 12:42:00 PM
I can't remember the last time I opened Gmail from the desktop
 
2014-05-11 01:01:38 PM
The whole reason I got gmail was because it was simple and clean.  Now it's barely usable.
 
2014-05-11 01:14:52 PM
Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.
 
2014-05-11 01:24:30 PM
Oh well, if they keep POP3 and SMTP service open, i can always go back to fetchmail and mutt.


/So long as they don't break https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h I'll live
 
2014-05-11 01:33:30 PM
Since I mostly read my GMail from the Thunderbird client, the changes won't bother me. It's also why I never see any Google ads associated with my incoming emails.
 
2014-05-11 01:36:20 PM
what do i have to get over?  i dumped all of my google accounts a year ago.  all they had to do was not fark up youtube and i might have stuck around but no, they had to ruin the one thing of theirs i actually liked.  gmail was, like every product theyve introduced, a big disappointment.

/not an apple guy
 
2014-05-11 01:56:24 PM
Really annoying articles like these mention it, show images, and don't tell you how to switch to try the new interface.
 
2014-05-11 02:00:45 PM
I think their old interface was awful.  Why can't I sort?  How is it user friendly when you can't do basic functions?  And there's ads.  F them.

I still use it when I'm checking gmail from other computers, so let's hope the new one doesn't suck as much.
 
2014-05-11 02:08:45 PM
I access Gmail via Thunderbird, so I most likely won't notice any changes.
 
2014-05-11 02:17:14 PM

Iszael: I think their old interface was awful.  Why can't I sort?  How is it user friendly when you can't do basic functions?  And there's ads.  F them.

I still use it when I'm checking gmail from other computers, so let's hope the new one doesn't suck as much.


I'm always amazed at people who complain about ads. Between Adblock, noscript and my highly evolved ability to tune them out I cannot tell you the last web ad that registered in my brain.

If u don't have Adblock and noscript, look into them, they're great.
 
2014-05-11 02:18:17 PM
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I still go with POP3 mail.
 
2014-05-11 02:19:15 PM
Good, because gmail blows.
Anything is an improvement.
 
2014-05-11 02:28:33 PM
I wonder if this is going to be as awesome as their new maps interface.
 
2014-05-11 02:42:49 PM
It has something to do with Google+ doesn't it.
 
2014-05-11 02:59:12 PM
Gmail has become my hotmail account...just a dumping ground for spam & shiate and stuff i don't really care about.

If the interface hadn't become utter dogshiat i'd probably still consider it my main e-mail account.
 
2014-05-11 03:11:57 PM
I don't care, as long as they leave POP3 alone I'll just keep using Thunderbird.

Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.


If you really dislike the new Firefox UI, this might interest you.
 
2014-05-11 03:12:22 PM

PanicMan: The whole reason I got gmail was because it was simple and clean.  Now it's barely usable.


YEre! I actually really enjoy using Google products and have been since as long as they've been offered. In general I kind of like the new clean(er) look they been applying across their products. But Gmail really has gotten disgusting and hard to use. I really hope that they launch a new interface whether it's this one or something else.
 
2014-05-11 03:19:56 PM

skinink: Since I mostly read my GMail from the Thunderbird client, the changes won't bother me. It's also why I never see any Google ads associated with my incoming emails.


That's the odd thing about forcing gmail to use the simple html interface.  You don't even get the interstitial ad column on the right anymore.  You're such a small demographic, you're not even worth it to google to push ads the 10 year old way.  They just give up.
 
2014-05-11 03:43:33 PM
Does this fix the issue where if I'm trying to type a message and hit tab I can accidentally send an incomplete email insteading of tabbing my message?

Gave up on any sort of formatting in email because of that and CBA to work around it.
 
2014-05-11 04:21:55 PM
As someone who is a bonafide Google fanboy, all I can say is GOOD! I like Gmail, but it is in desperate need of a facelift. Sorry, I'm just not enough of a hipster to appreciate web design from 2004.
 
2014-05-11 04:47:56 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Oh well, if they keep POP3 and SMTP service open, i can always go back to fetchmail and mutt.


/So long as they don't break https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h I'll live


OOoh, nice, the Gmail I remember from 2004.

PanicMan: The whole reason I got gmail was because it was simple and clean.  Now it's barely usable.


I agree. My wife stuck it out with Hotmail and they changed their UI too... Now it's gone Full Retard WIndows 8. Both are still better than the Yahoo account I keep for junk.
 
2014-05-11 04:57:32 PM

serial_crusher: Will the new interface let me middle click a message in my inbox and open it in a separate tab?


THIS.

Bring back middle click, dod gam it!
 
2014-05-11 04:59:21 PM
Isnt it time for Fark to get a redesign?
 
2014-05-11 05:04:15 PM
Yeah the current Gmail looks like arse, the sooner it's gone the better. Whatever they replace it with can't be much worse.
 
2014-05-11 05:10:38 PM

Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.


Came for this.  Leaving with mixed feelings.
 
2014-05-11 05:14:52 PM
Annoys the fark out of me that logging out is buried
 
2014-05-11 05:16:11 PM

illusionofjoy: Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.

Came for this. Leaving with mixed feelings.


sillydragon: I don't care, as long as they leave POP3 alone I'll just keep using Thunderbird.

Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.

If you really dislike the new Firefox UI, this might interest you.


Was gonna say that, but I think mostly 'cos you were the one who pointed me in that direction.

For that, again, I thank you.
 
2014-05-11 05:16:20 PM

Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.


It took me three add-ons to fix that stupid Chrome-clone sh*t.

Classic Theme Restorer, Classic Toolbar Buttons and Status-4-Ever.

/Your mileage may vary
 
2014-05-11 05:40:07 PM

Piizzadude: Isnt it time for Fark to get a redesign?



This is what I came in for. You didn't disappoint.
 
2014-05-11 05:49:41 PM
I already got over it. I haven't used gmail in over a year, since they wrecked the UI to the point where I couldn't stand using it anymore.
 
2014-05-11 06:22:44 PM
CSB but please read:

Admittedly, I'm a Google whore with Android, Chrome, Gmail....

I've been using Gmail since 2006, but I finally had a problem so egregious about a week ago that I will forever have a tarnished and skeptical view of it...however it is a problem many have had: being locked out for no apparent farking reason. 

3 times in the span of about 28 hours for 4-8 hours depending on which lockout. They say it was high activity. The second 2 times was me just opening email and going back to the inbox a few times right when it came back. The first time MIGHT be high usage but nothing Google couldn't handle - I emailed myself some pics from my phone (from Android/Gmail) to open in my computer, then downloaded them to my laptop and then uploaded them with proper filenames and didn't put them in as attatchments but rather inline because they corresponded with a message I had to write about each image. The email was well under 25MB (maybe half that) which is the message size limit. And it wouldn't let me send it or even farking compose it. The servers just went apeshiat and shutdown or something. 

And the kicker --- I was selected to participate in a Google focus group done from home. I was in communication with the woman from Google and she not only told me she couldn't help me but to try to contact or email the gmail team. I wanted to punch her in the teeth - Google is impossible to reach if you need help and on their help page all I got was an image of the same error message I got when signing in, telling me to wait between 1-24 hours. 

My concern wasn't when will it be back, but what am I doing to cause the lockouts.
 
2014-05-11 08:02:42 PM

albert71292: I access Gmail via Thunderbird, so I most likely won't notice any changes.


How anyone can use the Thunderbird Search feature is beyond me.
 
2014-05-11 08:03:30 PM

moel: Gmail has become my hotmail account...just a dumping ground for spam & shiate and stuff i don't really care about.

If the interface hadn't become utter dogshiat i'd probably still consider it my main e-mail account.


It is sad that Google can no longer do email and search right.
 
2014-05-11 08:20:46 PM

DSanchez: albert71292: I access Gmail via Thunderbird, so I most likely won't notice any changes.

How anyone can use the Thunderbird Search feature is beyond me.


I don't keep many emails, so have never even used the search feature.
 
2014-05-11 08:34:05 PM
I'd settle for being able to creat my own tabs -- so instead of creating filters that add labels, it also throws a filtered email in a different tab.
 
2014-05-11 09:52:00 PM
Just out of curiosity what do you guys use for webmail or are you all e-mail client users?

/not snark
 
2014-05-11 10:19:23 PM

thetrenchcoat: Just out of curiosity what do you guys use for webmail or are you all e-mail client users?

/not snark


Thunderbird for everything. All email addresses aggregate into there. Backup one folder every so often and done.
 
2014-05-11 10:22:20 PM
Why are web designers apparently so bad that every web site has to change its layout annually? Can we never just get a finished product and move on?
 
2014-05-11 10:43:22 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Oh well, if they keep POP3 and SMTP service open, i can always go back to fetchmail and mutt.


/So long as they don't break https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h I'll live


I didn't know about this.  You are my hero.
 
2014-05-11 10:59:18 PM
I forget that gmail has a web interface at times.
 
2014-05-11 11:17:16 PM

bingo the psych-o: Vlad_the_Inaner: Oh well, if they keep POP3 and SMTP service open, i can always go back to fetchmail and mutt.

/So long as they don't break https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h I'll live

I didn't know about this.  You are my hero.


The only reason I don't use that is that I have like 30 brazillion [variously nested] labels and they scroll way the hell off the page without the nesting.

I really should go back to using a client.
 
2014-05-11 11:47:28 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Oh well, if they keep POP3 and SMTP service open, i can always go back to fetchmail and mutt.


/So long as they don't break https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h I'll live


What browser are you using??

Every damn time I open that link in every browser I have, it goes to https://www.gmail.com/intl/en/mail/help/about.html
 
2014-05-11 11:51:57 PM
Ahh. I see what Vlad's link was for.

The direct link to basic HTML view is: https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h

From the Gmail help page.

** update: if you sign out (of standard view) then sign back in, a link appears in the lower right while your inbox loading screen is up. Not as convenient as having the link permanently available below your inbox, I agree -- but better than using that awkward direct link perhaps.

Addition to above: Once you are signed into basic gmail using above info, click on the "basic view" option at the top right on your Inbox page. This will convert you to basic permanently, or until you want to change back to standard.
 
2014-05-12 03:40:53 AM

NeuroticRocker: 3 times in the span of about 28 hours for 4-8 hours depending on which lockout. They say it was high activity. The second 2 times was me just opening email and going back to the inbox a few times right when it came back. The first time MIGHT be high usage but nothing Google couldn't handle - I emailed myself some pics from my phone (from Android/Gmail) to open in my computer, then downloaded them to my laptop and then uploaded them with proper filenames and didn't put them in as attatchments but rather inline because they corresponded with a message I had to write about each image. The email was well under 25MB (maybe half that) which is the message size limit. And it wouldn't let me send it or even farking compose it. The servers just went apeshiat and shutdown or something. 

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My concern wasn't when will it be back, but what am I doing to cause the lockouts.


I own an IT support services company and let me tell you, there is little as frustrating as having mail domain reputation issues, both for the IT guys and for businesses.  It's usually caused by something innocuous- Receptionist decides to send an email to all 300 clients to the annual party, half of which bounce because the addresses are stale, and now all across the internets, the automated reputation flags start going up.  Nobody knows it's happening, because email is just disappearing into the ether of spam filters that rely on RBLs.  So users don't know what's going on, so they send and resend the email again.  They couldn't behave more like a spambot if they tried.

So if you're lucky, tracking down and getting a delist from whatever RBL you're on solves the problem.  But now those lists have a hair trigger, and it's only 20, or 15, or a 10 recipient send that triggers a re-list.  And sometimes, the problem persists with just a few destinations- people running whatever spam block that isn't being updated, so doesn't know that you don't have reputation issues anymore.  And the only way to solve some of those is with the cooperation of the guys that take care of the recipient email- who may or may not give a rat's ass about helping you solve the problem, and certainly have more important things to do than to work with you right away.

And, inevitably, it becomes business critical- If you think you've responded to a client with what they wanted, but they never actually received it and you have no way of knowing that, then they reasonably think that you don't give a shiat.  And now people are upset at the IT guys for not fixing the problem which they didn't create and have limited ability to influence the timeline of repair.  Like we run the internet, or something.

That shiat drives me nuts.
 
2014-05-12 07:47:23 AM

ArcadianRefugee: illusionofjoy: Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.

Came for this. Leaving with mixed feelings.

sillydragon: I don't care, as long as they leave POP3 alone I'll just keep using Thunderbird.

Lolpwnt: Can't be any worse than the new firefox interface.

If you really dislike the new Firefox UI, this might interest you.

Was gonna say that, but I think mostly 'cos you were the one who pointed me in that direction.

For that, again, I thank you.


Certainly. Glad to help. :)
 
2014-05-12 10:44:26 AM

unyon: NeuroticRocker: 3 times in the span of about 28 hours for 4-8 hours depending on which lockout. They say it was high activity. The second 2 times was me just opening email and going back to the inbox a few times right when it came back. The first time MIGHT be high usage but nothing Google couldn't handle - I emailed myself some pics from my phone (from Android/Gmail) to open in my computer, then downloaded them to my laptop and then uploaded them with proper filenames and didn't put them in as attatchments but rather inline because they corresponded with a message I had to write about each image. The email was well under 25MB (maybe half that) which is the message size limit. And it wouldn't let me send it or even farking compose it. The servers just went apeshiat and shutdown or something. 

\
My concern wasn't when will it be back, but what am I doing to cause the lockouts.

I own an IT support services company and let me tell you, there is little as frustrating as having mail domain reputation issues, both for the IT guys and for businesses.  It's usually caused by something innocuous- Receptionist decides to send an email to all 300 clients to the annual party, half of which bounce because the addresses are stale, and now all across the internets, the automated reputation flags start going up.  Nobody knows it's happening, because email is just disappearing into the ether of spam filters that rely on RBLs.  So users don't know what's going on, so they send and resend the email again.  They couldn't behave more like a spambot if they tried.

So if you're lucky, tracking down and getting a delist from whatever RBL you're on solves the problem.  But now those lists have a hair trigger, and it's only 20, or 15, or a 10 recipient send that triggers a re-list.  And sometimes, the problem persists with just a few destinations- people running whatever spam block that isn't being updated, so doesn't know that you don't have reputation issues anymore.  And the only way t ...


Thank you. That's a logical explanation and I appreciate you telling me. It shocks me that Google, with their massive server farms across the globe couldn't handle it. Funnyish thing is that Google has a data center in the town I live in and though it took me a while to figure out where it is, because they dont like broadcasting that info, I'm 99% sure I found it. I was tempted to dress up as a pizza delivery boy, drive down there and bring them a pizza just so they could help me resolve it; (Pizza delivery gag is to get through security gate, assuming they have one)
 
2014-05-12 02:33:42 PM
NeuroticRocker:

Thank you. That's a logical explanation and I appreciate you telling me. It shocks me that Google, with their massive server farms across the globe couldn't handle it. Funnyish thing is that Google has a data center in the town I live in and though it took me a while to figure out where it is, because they dont like broadcasting that info, I'm 99% sure I found it. I was tempted to dress up as a pizza delivery boy, drive down there and bring them a pizza just so they could help me resolve it; (Pizza delivery gag is to get through security gate, assuming they have one)

I should add that I've never experienced that particular problem with google.  In fact, I often use a gmail account to act as a bypass to DNS-related reputation problems.  Google seems to be much more tolerant of bulk mailing, and it's hard for google to get blacklisted.

That said- if you engage in any mail activity that could be construed as suspicious- bulk sends, for example, or dramatic changes in your mail volume, or repeated sends to bad addresses- you're the architect of your own fate.

How to solve it?  Stop doing that, even if the bulk sends seem to you to be a fairly low number (i.e.: under 10 or 15 addresses).   Use a service, like constant contact or other bulk send service, to handle volume mail.

Also, having forwarding turned on (i.e: forwarding all mail to or from your gmail account with another address) can also trigger this effect.  Don't forward mail like that!  If you want all your mail flowing into the same place, have your mail reader (Outlook, Mac Mail, Thunderbird, etc) check each account discretely.

Lastly, while I haven't seen this with google, I've seen it with other mail carriers- A bulk sender that happens to be co-resident on the same mail server as you can get that server IP blacklisted.  Meaning you're farked for something that someone else did, over which you have no control.  You can get the server delisted, but if the mail pattern doesn't change, then that's a temporary solution.  The only answer to this is to change servers, which usually means changing mail carriers.

I recommend that everyone have their own mail domain.  You should have an address that is me[nospam-﹫-backwards]niam­od­ym­*co­m.  That way, regardless of what is going on with the carrier or the server, your email identity is discrete and separable from the service- you have portability if you really want it.  If your primary email is me[nospam-﹫-backwards]y­n­a­pmocelba­cym­*com or m­e­[nospam-﹫-backwards]li­amg*com or similar, then you don't have that option, and just have to suck up whatever problems come your way.
 
2014-05-12 05:10:55 PM

unyon: NeuroticRocker:

Thank you. That's a logical explanation and I appreciate you telling me. It shocks me that Google, with their massive server farms across the globe couldn't handle it. Funnyish thing is that Google has a data center in the town I live in and though it took me a while to figure out where it is, because they dont like broadcasting that info, I'm 99% sure I found it. I was tempted to dress up as a pizza delivery boy, drive down there and bring them a pizza just so they could help me resolve it; (Pizza delivery gag is to get through security gate, assuming they have one)

I should add that I've never experienced that particular problem with google.  In fact, I often use a gmail account to act as a bypass to DNS-related reputation problems.  Google seems to be much more tolerant of bulk mailing, and it's hard for google to get blacklisted.

That said- if you engage in any mail activity that could be construed as suspicious- bulk sends, for example, or dramatic changes in your mail volume, or repeated sends to bad addresses- you're the architect of your own fate.

How to solve it?  Stop doing that, even if the bulk sends seem to you to be a fairly low number (i.e.: under 10 or 15 addresses).   Use a service, like constant contact or other bulk send service, to handle volume mail.

Also, having forwarding turned on (i.e: forwarding all mail to or from your gmail account with another address) can also trigger this effect.  Don't forward mail like that!  If you want all your mail flowing into the same place, have your mail reader (Outlook, Mac Mail, Thunderbird, etc) check each account discretely.

Lastly, while I haven't seen this with google, I've seen it with other mail carriers- A bulk sender that happens to be co-resident on the same mail server as you can get that server IP blacklisted.  Meaning you're farked for something that someone else did, over which you have no control.  You can get the server delisted, but if the mail pattern doesn't change, th ...


Yeah I dont really do any of those things. I don't ever send out bulk emails and rarely if ever send to a bad address. All I was doing was - I sent myself a large email via phone, downloaded the images from google to my pc to make some changes and then reuploaded them and put them inline in a message I was in the midst of composing. That's the only "bad" thing I did and it was the first time I'd done anything like that. I agree I'd like my own domain for email purposes. I could send you links upon links upon links to googleproductforums and to sites like techcruch or whatever that go back to '09 where people are complaining about this. There are different triggers but suddenly they are locked out, and some of them, many times in a very short span. So I wasn't alone. 

But for the first time in a very long time, and one of the first in my adult life, I felt like a child who has his toy taken away and was told "YOULL GET IT BACK WHEN I FEEL YOUVE LEARNED YOUR LESSON!" To a kid he might think, "Ill never get it back for the rest of my life!" And in this case, I sure as shiat felt that way
 
2014-05-12 05:35:46 PM

NeuroticRocker: unyon: NeuroticRocker:

Yeah I dont really do any of those things. I don't ever send out bulk emails and rarely if ever send to a bad address. All I was doing was - I sent myself a large email via phone, downloaded the images from google to my pc to make some changes and then reuploaded them and put them inline in a message I was in the midst of composing. That's the only "bad" thing I did and it was the first time I'd done anything like that. I agree I'd like my own domain for email purposes. I could send you links upon links upon links to googleproductforums and to sites like techcruch or whatever that go back to '09 where people are complaining about this. There are different triggers but suddenly they are locked out, and some of them, many times in a very short span. So I wasn't alone. 

But for the first time in a very long time, and one of the first in my adult life, I felt like a child who has his toy taken away and was told "YOULL GET IT BACK WHEN I FEEL YOUVE LEARNED YOUR LESSON!" To a kid he might think, "Ill never get it back for the rest of my life!" And in this case, I sure as shiat felt that way


These reputation tools look for activity that is out of the ordinary- in your case, it looks to have been the size issue.  There's a threshold on maximum message size, and multiple high-res pictures can trigger that.

A lot of things that one *used* to be able to do (larger file size sends, more recipients) are increasingly getting trapped by reputation and other services.  We've turned the security of the internet over to largely not-very-smart machines.  And frustrating false-positives are just the tip of the iceberg.

Email?  Just wait until it starts happening with your credit cards.
 
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