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(New York Daily News)   Teacher fired for allegedly threatening to kill his co-workers in a mass shooting sues school for wrongful termination, says they should be really glad he can't find his gun right now   (nydailynews.com) divider line 51
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2014-05-11 08:04:32 AM
"When Budweiser happens, I will spare you."

He is more merciful than I.
 
2014-05-11 08:58:00 AM
Those are just the sort of allegations a sexist principal would make up.
 
2014-05-11 10:51:03 AM
Sounds like somebody didn't get his 37 separate meetings that are normally required to fire a crappy teacher in NYC.

/ somebody post the graphic representation
 
2014-05-11 10:53:24 AM
There is always so much hate for people wanting to start their own govenments
 
2014-05-11 10:59:24 AM
Finally, a school no-toletance policy that makes sense.
 
2014-05-11 11:02:01 AM
"The same knife that cuts the sheep will cut the goat," he allegedly told a colleague talking to a parent days later.

All things considered, that's surprisingly...zen.
 
2014-05-11 11:02:29 AM
He should have been allowed to retire with full pension and benefits.
The union needs to step up and fight for his right to do and say whatever the hell he wants.
 
2014-05-11 11:06:22 AM
So there's reference to something shouted during a parent conference night, provided by "a source".

You couldn't get independent corroboration of that from anyone else that was there, maybe? Because it sounds like he may have a point if what's cited in TFA is the extent of the evidence against him.
 
2014-05-11 11:08:08 AM
mikedoe.net

I'd kill you if I had my gun

/Yeah, well, you don't
 
2014-05-11 11:14:35 AM
The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?
 
2014-05-11 11:16:58 AM
Meanwhile, 269,999,999 American gun owners did not use their weapons unlawfully.

So, the rational conclusion is School Administrators have sh*tty hiring practices driven by dumb as dirt counter productive Union kow-towing.
 
2014-05-11 11:17:22 AM
But remember, any restrictions against this guy having a firearm are unconstitutional.
 
2014-05-11 11:18:21 AM
His threats make no sense.
 
2014-05-11 11:22:14 AM

jehovahs witness protection: He should have been allowed to retire with full pension and benefits.
The union needs to step up and fight for his right to do and say whatever the hell he wants.


The union is still trying to kill Paul Walker. Wait your turn.
 
2014-05-11 11:22:18 AM
Man threatening wrongful terminations gets wrongfully terminated?
 
2014-05-11 11:23:43 AM

felching pen: Finally, a school no-toletance policy that makes sense.


Zero tolerance for misspellings.
 
2014-05-11 11:24:50 AM

GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?


Only if you are a teacher, that myth was debunked decades ago.

Every profession and worker believes they are underpaid, teachers included.
 
2014-05-11 11:28:56 AM

Cyclometh: So there's reference to something shouted during a parent conference night, provided by "a source".

You couldn't get independent corroboration of that from anyone else that was there, maybe? Because it sounds like he may have a point if what's cited in TFA is the extent of the evidence against him.


This. It sounds as if someone who didn't like him decided to make it up, and everyone went 'think of the children' instead of actually investigating. Which would be wrongful termination.
 
2014-05-11 11:34:34 AM

dantheman195: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

Only if you are a teacher, that myth was debunked decades ago.

Every profession and worker believes they are underpaid, teachers included.


Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.
 
2014-05-11 11:37:28 AM
Wow, the author really wanted to make sure we all knew how much the teacher was paid.
 
2014-05-11 11:40:27 AM

dave2198: dantheman195: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

Only if you are a teacher, that myth was debunked decades ago.

Every profession and worker believes they are underpaid, teachers included.

Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.


So what? Every profession will claim they are underpaid because of x or y.

What does it cost to own a home in their community? What does it cost to own a car?

I have a feeling the teachers still make more than the average salaries in their communities. Teacher making 28K a year while the average taxpaying worker is making 24K is above average for the community and rents/home prices are usually inline as well.

If you went into teaching thinking you are going to make "bank", well you are an idiot, and should not be teaching our kids anyways.
 
2014-05-11 11:41:46 AM
"When Budweiser happens, I will spare you."

But, when PBR happens, you will die a gruesome and horrible death, hipster.
 
2014-05-11 11:44:55 AM

dave2198: dantheman195: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

Only if you are a teacher, that myth was debunked decades ago.

Every profession and worker believes they are underpaid, teachers included.

Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.


This...a number of the people I delivered pizza with (~2 years ago) were teachers.  I know NC is especially bad, but outside of big metropolitan areas, teachers get paid dick, from the smattering of friends I have teaching nationwide.

/90 hours a week between my day job/delivering for 2 years.
//No more car payment/CC debt, still have student loans.
///fark working two jobs.
 
2014-05-11 11:47:22 AM

dave2198: Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.


Have them talk to anybody else in that same town about what they are paid relative to the 'big city' and get back to me. Ask them what they pay for rent/mortgage compared to an identical place in the 'big city' and get back to me. Ooh, ask them to list their benefits and then compare them to what every other job gets and get back to me...

On second thought, don't bother. Just cry me a farking river.
 
2014-05-11 11:49:28 AM
Sounds fat.
 
2014-05-11 11:50:59 AM

dave2198: Wow, the author really wanted to make sure we all knew how much the teacher was paid.


The average median family income in the Bronx is $32,058, this teacher makes $72,990 at age 36, more than double the average income in the community he teaches in. Many will say that the teacher is overpaid compared to the taxpayers in his community. And of course we have Fark's Teacher Union trolls will say that this teacher is not making anywhere near the salary of the CEO of Exxon and therefore this teacher is still underpaid.
 
2014-05-11 11:52:01 AM

AtlanticCoast63: "The same knife that cuts the sheep will cut the goat," he allegedly told a colleague talking to a parent days later.

All things considered, that's surprisingly...zen.


You spelled psychotic wrong
 
2014-05-11 11:52:52 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Meanwhile, 269,999,999 American gun owners did not use their weapons unlawfully.



I would go out and blast a few holes in a stop sign later, but it would be cheaper for me to not, and just buy a stop sign with holes already in it.
 
2014-05-11 11:56:51 AM

dantheman195: dave2198: dantheman195: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

Only if you are a teacher, that myth was debunked decades ago.

Every profession and worker believes they are underpaid, teachers included.

Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.

So what? Every profession will claim they are underpaid because of x or y.

What does it cost to own a home in their community? What does it cost to own a car?

I have a feeling the teachers still make more than the average salaries in their communities. Teacher making 28K a year while the average taxpaying worker is making 24K is above average for the community and rents/home prices are usually inline as well.

If you went into teaching thinking you are going to make "bank", well you are an idiot, and should not be teaching our kids anyways.


Keep talking out of your ass, it's entertaining. Every teacher I have ever known started well below the median income in the area, and stayed at that level for a long, long time.
 
2014-05-11 11:59:35 AM

dantheman195: dave2198: Wow, the author really wanted to make sure we all knew how much the teacher was paid.

The average median family income in the Bronx is $32,058, this teacher makes $72,990 at age 36, more than double the average income in the community he teaches in. Many will say that the teacher is overpaid compared to the taxpayers in his community. And of course we have Fark's Teacher Union trolls will say that this teacher is not making anywhere near the salary of the CEO of Exxon and therefore this teacher is still underpaid.


Before the author told me any relevant details of the story, I was told his salary twice.
 
2014-05-11 12:02:22 PM

umad: dave2198: Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.

Have them talk to anybody else in that same town about what they are paid relative to the 'big city' and get back to me. Ask them what they pay for rent/mortgage compared to an identical place in the 'big city' and get back to me. Ooh, ask them to list their benefits and then compare them to what every other job gets and get back to me...

On second thought, don't bother. Just cry me a farking river.


You're right, I'm sure every other job in town requires their employees to work 70 hour weeks with no additional pay while at the same time requiring them to buy their own office supplies.

/thinking is hard
 
2014-05-11 12:10:00 PM

GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?


I'd be very happy making $72,990/year....(actually, I could still live very well on half of that.)

/ OTOH, I do live in a much more affordable part of the country
// I have no idea how much the cost of living is in the Bronx, assuming he lives there...
 
2014-05-11 12:14:37 PM

SDRR: AtlanticCoast63: "The same knife that cuts the sheep will cut the goat," he allegedly told a colleague talking to a parent days later.

All things considered, that's surprisingly...zen.

You spelled psychotic wrong



Hey, that typo could happen to anyone. The keys are right next to each other!
 
2014-05-11 12:27:39 PM
Really who hasn't wanted to ax murder there coworkers from time to time.
 
2014-05-11 12:35:40 PM

Snarfangel: Hey, that typo could happen to anyone. The keys are right next to each other!


Imagine a keyboard where none of the keys were right next to each other.
 
2014-05-11 12:48:02 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

I'd be very happy making $72,990/year....(actually, I could still live very well on half of that.)

/ OTOH, I do live in a much more affordable part of the country
// I have no idea how much the cost of living is in the Bronx, assuming he lives there...


Guess how far that amount of money doesn't go in NYC.
 
2014-05-11 01:02:46 PM

dantheman195: The average median family income in the Bronx is $32,058, this teacher makes $72,990 at age 36, more than double the average income in the community he teaches in. Many will say that the teacher is overpaid compared to the taxpayers in his community. And of course we have Fark's Teacher Union trolls will say that this teacher is not making anywhere near the salary of the CEO of Exxon and therefore this teacher is still underpaid.


Well, teachers generally have master's degrees (about 78% of them do).  $72,000 after about 10 years in the work force is not very good for a master's degree.  I was making better money by my second year out of school, and I have a master's degree as well.

To put this in perspective - if he has a master's degree, he's got a greater level of education than 93% of the residents of the Bronx.  Even if he only has a 4-year degree, the minimum possible for his job, he's still in the 84th percentile in terms of level of education attained.  He's around the 73rd percentile in terms of his income.   Teachers are not well paid when you consider that most are in the top 10% of the nation in terms of level of education.
 
2014-05-11 01:15:10 PM

Sum Dum Gai: Well, teachers generally have master's degrees (about 78% of them do).  $72,000 after about 10 years in the work force is not very good for a master's degree.  I was making better money by my second year out of school, and I have a master's degree as well.

To put this in perspective - if he has a master's degree, he's got a greater level of education than 93% of the residents of the Bronx.  Even if he only has a 4-year degree, the minimum possible for his job, he's still in the 84th percentile in terms of level of education attained.  He's around the 73rd percentile in terms of his income.   Teachers are not well paid when you consider that most are in the top 10% of the nation in terms of level of education.


Or to look at this another way - if I left my job and took one teaching in the local school system, even if I were earning equal to the most highly-paid teacher currently in the school district, I'd still be taking almost a 40% pay cut compared to my current job, which requires a comparable amount of education.
 
2014-05-11 02:49:48 PM
Either way, you aren't welcome there.
Grow up.
Move on.
 
2014-05-11 02:51:46 PM

dave2198: umad: dave2198: Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.

Have them talk to anybody else in that same town about what they are paid relative to the 'big city' and get back to me. Ask them what they pay for rent/mortgage compared to an identical place in the 'big city' and get back to me. Ooh, ask them to list their benefits and then compare them to what every other job gets and get back to me...

On second thought, don't bother. Just cry me a farking river.

You're right, I'm sure every other job in town requires their employees to work 70 hour weeks with no additional pay while at the same time requiring them to buy their own office supplies.

/thinking is hard


I'm sure every other job in town lets their employers off for the entire summer, spring break, Christmas break, and all other holidays.
 
2014-05-11 02:54:42 PM
I thought we WANTED to be able to fire bad teachers immediately without all that silly need for evidence and due process.
 
2014-05-11 03:41:06 PM

Gyrfalcon: I thought we WANTED to be able to fire bad teachers immediately without all that silly need for evidence and due process.


An employer should be able to hire and fire employees at will regardless of being a private company or the government.
 
2014-05-11 03:43:12 PM

CigaretteSmokingMan: Forbidden Doughnut: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

I'd be very happy making $72,990/year....(actually, I could still live very well on half of that.)

/ OTOH, I do live in a much more affordable part of the country
// I have no idea how much the cost of living is in the Bronx, assuming he lives there...

Guess how far that amount of money doesn't go in NYC.


32k or 72?
 
2014-05-11 04:02:11 PM

Sum Dum Gai: Sum Dum Gai: Well, teachers generally have master's degrees (about 78% of them do).  $72,000 after about 10 years in the work force is not very good for a master's degree.  I was making better money by my second year out of school, and I have a master's degree as well.

To put this in perspective - if he has a master's degree, he's got a greater level of education than 93% of the residents of the Bronx.  Even if he only has a 4-year degree, the minimum possible for his job, he's still in the 84th percentile in terms of level of education attained.  He's around the 73rd percentile in terms of his income.   Teachers are not well paid when you consider that most are in the top 10% of the nation in terms of level of education.

Or to look at this another way - if I left my job and took one teaching in the local school system, even if I were earning equal to the most highly-paid teacher currently in the school district, I'd still be taking almost a 40% pay cut compared to my current job, which requires a comparable amount of education.


A teacher friend of mine, a beautiful blond bombshell in her 40's, was an English teacher in a NJ school district, made a comment that she was been in her field for about 20 years and made about 80K a year while other people she knew were making in the 6 figures, who were engineers, MBAs, etc. I stated teachers get great benefits, a pension, a job security that the private sector only dreams of.

About two years later, after the economy tanked, she asked me if I knew of anyone who was hiring because her friends with great backgrounds in engineering and business were laid off and they really needed a job.

What if you lost your job? Than your salary goes from 140K+ to zero (or collect unemployment). Teachers rarely get laid of in mass but it happens in the private sector all the time. Job security is more valuable than a higher paycheck, in the long run.
 
2014-05-11 04:03:48 PM

moothemagiccow: CigaretteSmokingMan: Forbidden Doughnut: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

I'd be very happy making $72,990/year....(actually, I could still live very well on half of that.)

/ OTOH, I do live in a much more affordable part of the country
// I have no idea how much the cost of living is in the Bronx, assuming he lives there...

Guess how far that amount of money doesn't go in NYC.

32k or 72?


You do realize this is the  Bronx, the Bronx is not Manhattan by any means.
 
2014-05-11 04:11:44 PM
"When Budweiser happens, I will spare you."

I pray for this as well.
 
2014-05-11 04:12:39 PM

dave2198: dantheman195: dave2198: dantheman195: GDubDub: The firing issue aside: teachers being under-paid. Is this still a thing?

Only if you are a teacher, that myth was debunked decades ago.

Every profession and worker believes they are underpaid, teachers included.

Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.

So what? Every profession will claim they are underpaid because of x or y.

What does it cost to own a home in their community? What does it cost to own a car?

I have a feeling the teachers still make more than the average salaries in their communities. Teacher making 28K a year while the average taxpaying worker is making 24K is above average for the community and rents/home prices are usually inline as well.

If you went into teaching thinking you are going to make "bank", well you are an idiot, and should not be teaching our kids anyways.

Keep talking out of your ass, it's entertaining. Every teacher I have ever known started well below the median income in the area, and stayed at that level for a long, long time.


Are you sure about that? Sounds like somebody is talking out there butthole. You do realize teachers are public employees and are paid out of taxes that (in the north east) are collected based on property values for the community. AKA Property Taxes. So how can a community afford to pay teachers 200K a year when the community averages less than 32K? Would 200K be even enough? Would they want even more? Maybe 400K a year? Its about the children you say? How about whatever the CEO of Exxon makes? Is than enough for them?

Everyone wants to pay teachers more, but no one wants to pay more in taxes, I wonder why is that?

So if you are a teacher, working in a community where the average income is 120K a year, but you are only making 60K, wouldn't you consider that a better work environment than working in a inner city school district? So you have to put up with spoiled rich brats and their parents and lawyers instead of welfare brats and their knifings.

You would think a teacher would rather work in that district vs. a poor district.
 
2014-05-11 04:32:00 PM

Sum Dum Gai: dantheman195: The average median family income in the Bronx is $32,058, this teacher makes $72,990 at age 36, more than double the average income in the community he teaches in. Many will say that the teacher is overpaid compared to the taxpayers in his community. And of course we have Fark's Teacher Union trolls will say that this teacher is not making anywhere near the salary of the CEO of Exxon and therefore this teacher is still underpaid.

Well, teachers generally have master's degrees (about 78% of them do).  $72,000 after about 10 years in the work force is not very good for a master's degree.  I was making better money by my second year out of school, and I have a master's degree as well.

To put this in perspective - if he has a master's degree, he's got a greater level of education than 93% of the residents of the Bronx.  Even if he only has a 4-year degree, the minimum possible for his job, he's still in the 84th percentile in terms of level of education attained.  He's around the 73rd percentile in terms of his income.   Teachers are not well paid when you consider that most are in the top 10% of the nation in terms of level of education.


What would your job be worth in the public sector?

Shouldn't we be comparing jobs based on the same skill set in public/private sector of those skills? Going to school to become a teacher is different than becoming an engineer or attorney. A whole different skill set, a teacher can't quit their job and become an attorney or engineer. Just like you can't quit your job today and become a teacher (in some cases you can take necessary classes to get a teaching degree, like a engineer taking classes to become a math teacher)

In the public sector we have lawyers, we call them prosecutors, and we have your general private sector defense lawyer. Generally the private sector lawyer makes a ton of money compared to the public sector equivalent, A prosecutor can make around 100K a year, whereas the defense attorney can make millions.

In the public sector we have civil engineers, they work on big projects, like roads, water treatment, etc. We also have engineers in the private sector who work on oil wells/rigs, construction projects, mines etc. Again public sector 100K private sector 120K +

In the public sector we have teachers, and we have teachers who work in private schools as well, public sector teachers make about 60K a year (NJ) and private school teachers make about 50K a year.

In the public sector we have social workers and in the private sector we have doctors called psychologists, or if they never made than far, Baristas as Starbucks.
Social workers make about 48K a year, psychologists about 70K a year and baristas $9.50/hr

So no, we can not compare Teachers to whatever you do, because you have a totally different skill set, a different discipline and a different job description. The only way to compare teachers to the private sector  is to private school teachers

My data is based on experience, and from people I know. My numbers are NJ numbers, your numbers may vary in your area.
 
2014-05-11 06:01:04 PM

dantheman195: What if you lost your job? Than your salary goes from 140K+ to zero (or collect unemployment). Teachers rarely get laid of in mass but it happens in the private sector all the time. Job security is more valuable than a higher paycheck, in the long run.


Even in a bad economy, people with high education are not doing terribly.  Unemployment is around 4% for people with post-graduate education, compared to 11% in those without a high school diploma.  The extra money you can make in good times can make up for the shortfall in bad times.  I could easily take an entire year off work, with zero income, and pay all my bills in full, even if I didn't have unemployment.  After that I would have to start looking at home equity.

dantheman195: What would your job be worth in the public sector?


Probably 70-80% of what it is now.

My point wasn't, though, that public sector employees are worse off than private sector.  My point was that educators in both the public and private sectors are poorly paid considering the education needed.  I understand why it happens - there's a larger supply of teachers - but they're among the least compensated of the professions where a 4-year degree is required and post-graduate education is the norm.
 
2014-05-11 08:55:12 PM

Begoggle: dave2198: umad: dave2198: Most teachers are, actually, underpaid. Talk to any teacher in the midwest who doesn't work in a big city and get back to me.

Have them talk to anybody else in that same town about what they are paid relative to the 'big city' and get back to me. Ask them what they pay for rent/mortgage compared to an identical place in the 'big city' and get back to me. Ooh, ask them to list their benefits and then compare them to what every other job gets and get back to me...

On second thought, don't bother. Just cry me a farking river.

You're right, I'm sure every other job in town requires their employees to work 70 hour weeks with no additional pay while at the same time requiring them to buy their own office supplies.

/thinking is hard

I'm sure every other job in town lets their employers off for the entire summer, spring break, Christmas break, and all other holidays.


LOL, You think teachers get to take off all summer. You're cute. *pats head*.

And yeah, a lot of other workers get holidays off.
 
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