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2014-05-11 08:32:07 AM
That's nothing on Oakland.
 
2014-05-11 08:35:40 AM
Guess they might need to yell their officers to cut down on the brutality and illegal searches a bit huh?

Naaahhh..who are we kiddin here *chuckle* the taxpayers have to cough that up and the police department aren't penalized.

Cop's attitude: whatevs.

What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.
 
2014-05-11 08:40:14 AM
Good. Now start making police officers get bonded, so the guilty hard-ons and their sureties pay the settlements instead of the taxpayers.
 
2014-05-11 08:43:08 AM
It's a bit early in the morning for our daily cop-hate thread isn't it?

Dallas cops suck.  You earned that DPD.
 
2014-05-11 08:43:23 AM
The more you eat the more you fart:
What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.

How about criminal liability for criminal behavior?  If you murder someone, you don't get fired, you go to prison.
 
2014-05-11 08:44:01 AM
Crime may not pay, but the Dallas Police Department has been making people rich the past few years.
Since 2011, the Dallas City Council has approved 10 six-figure settlements


That's an odd definition of rich.
 
2014-05-11 08:44:39 AM
Chief David Brown said recently that people appear to be more litigious than in years past.

Listen, you pretentious bastard: take the next logical half step and you will have the answer.

People aren't more litigious. Your motherfarking officers are just being CAUGHT more often because everyone has a camera now, and they can't hide evidence of their crimes like they used to. Plus, more and more people are becoming VERY intolerant of the shiat police do and are starting to actually expect the police to follow their own rules, and the law.

I mean..the audacity of the general public actually expecting the police to NOT break the law and violate people's rights, right?! Its just not fair that its harder for the cops to plant evidence to justify an illegal search...or to crack a few skulls or use gestapo tactics because everywhere they go, people have the right to record them to ensure they actually follow the same laws as everyone else.
 
2014-05-11 08:45:27 AM
See, trickle down economics works
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-11 08:48:21 AM
Around here it's very hard to fire a bad cop but the city still pays.
 
2014-05-11 08:48:46 AM

generallyso: Crime may not pay, but the Dallas Police Department has been making people rich the past few years.
Since 2011, the Dallas City Council has approved 10 six-figure settlements

That's an odd definition of rich.


Dallas rich?
 
2014-05-11 08:49:04 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The more you eat the more you fart:
What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.

How about criminal liability for criminal behavior?  If you murder someone, you don't get fired, you go to prison.


Works for me, but id prefer an automatic death penalty for cops who kill innocent people, and i dont care if its a stray bullet.

Cops are paid to "serve and protect" the general public, not themselves.

That means if a cop has to eat a bullet to avoid potentially killing an innocent bystander, then that is what they are paid for.

Open fire to protect himself and kill said innocent bystander? Death penalty for killing someone he took an oath to protect.
 
2014-05-11 08:49:49 AM
I think there is a very simple and elegant solution to all these suits....

Enact laws banning the videoing of any and all police activity.
 
2014-05-11 08:51:38 AM

generallyso: Crime may not pay, but the Dallas Police Department has been making people rich the past few years.
Since 2011, the Dallas City Council has approved 10 six-figure settlements

That's an odd definition of rich.


For people making 20 to 30 thousand a year, yeah 900,000 is rich. Not two chicks at the same time rich but much better off, whether it covers their hospital bills is another thing.
 
2014-05-11 08:55:14 AM

Hoarseman: generallyso: Crime may not pay, but the Dallas Police Department has been making people rich the past few years.
Since 2011, the Dallas City Council has approved 10 six-figure settlements

That's an odd definition of rich.

For people making 20 to 30 thousand a year, yeah 900,000 is rich. Not two chicks at the same time rich but much better off, whether it covers their hospital bills is another thing.


Thats the problem. To 90% of the population, that *IS* rich.
 
2014-05-11 08:56:49 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Guess they might need to yell their officers to cut down on the brutality and illegal searches a bit huh?

Naaahhh..who are we kiddin here *chuckle* the taxpayers have to cough that up and the police department aren't penalized.

Cop's attitude: whatevs.

What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.


If the damage awards were taken from the police pension fund the abuse would end in seconds.
Act like a cop and hit-em-where-it-hurts.
Cover-ups would end also.
 
2014-05-11 08:59:29 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Good. Now start making police officers get bonded, so the guilty hard-ons and their sureties pay the settlements instead of the taxpayers.


ZAZ: Around here it's very hard to fire a bad cop but the city still pays.


So let the insurance companies decide.  If you can't get bonded, you don't have a job.
 
2014-05-11 09:01:58 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: The more you eat the more you fart: Guess they might need to yell their officers to cut down on the brutality and illegal searches a bit huh?

Naaahhh..who are we kiddin here *chuckle* the taxpayers have to cough that up and the police department aren't penalized.

Cop's attitude: whatevs.

What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.

If the damage awards were taken from the police pension fund the abuse would end in seconds.
Act like a cop and hit-em-where-it-hurts.
Cover-ups would end also.


That...is a brilliant idea.

The cops woukd definitely start minding their manners if that happened, and i would bet it would self-correct in very short order, especially when the bad cops who kept causing the other cops to lose their pension funding started getting the shiat kicked out of them in the locker room.

I seriously think you just found the solution....bravo.
 
2014-05-11 09:02:49 AM

gfid: It's a bit early in the morning for our daily cop-hate thread isn't it?

Dallas cops suck.  You earned that DPD.


Yeah, Why won't these money grubbing poors just take their beatings like good little peasants.  its like those people don't know their place anymore.  Sigh.

Seriously, maybe people will stop hating the police when they stop being so worthy of our hate.  It may just be a few bad apples, but the rest are worse for covering up for them.
 
2014-05-11 09:03:35 AM
I love how insistent TFA is in pointing out that a lot of the money goes to lawyers fees. If only we had tort reform we wouldn't have to worry about these pesky brutality lawsuits!
 
2014-05-11 09:06:04 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: The more you eat the more you fart: Guess they might need to yell their officers to cut down on the brutality and illegal searches a bit huh?

Naaahhh..who are we kiddin here *chuckle* the taxpayers have to cough that up and the police department aren't penalized.

Cop's attitude: whatevs.

What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.

If the damage awards were taken from the police pension fund the abuse would end in seconds.
Act like a cop and hit-em-where-it-hurts.
Cover-ups would end also.


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2014-05-11 09:09:02 AM
So...the solution might look something like this:

1. Cops have to get bonded. No exceptions. No bonding..no job.

2. If the cops are found guilty on court of abuse, etc, the damage award is split 50/50 between the insurance company and the police's own pension fund.

3. If the pension fund runs dry, then insurance pays 100%.

4. The insurance has the right to drop its coverage of any given cop any time they are found to be guilty of anything.

5. Civilian oversight panels for every department...which can have no more than 25% of its members composed of people with ANY connection to law enforcement.
 
2014-05-11 09:13:57 AM
Oh and #6: any officer found to be letting other officers break the law (including speeding when not responding to a call) and using "officer's discretion" to justify letting the offending officer get away with it...will immediately be fired and will forfeit all of his or her retirement fund.

This will curb their tendancy to circle the little blue wagons and protect other cops who they know are breaking the law.
 
2014-05-11 09:15:33 AM

IoSaturnalia: Zeb Hesselgresser: Good. Now start making police officers get bonded, so the guilty hard-ons and their sureties pay the settlements instead of the taxpayers.

ZAZ: Around here it's very hard

So let the insurance companies decide.  If you can't get bonded, you don't have a job.


Bonds are issued on a scale. Some people with higher risk factors might have to put their house on the line, to help ensure lawful behavior.  Skin in the game does affect people's behavior. 

And yes,  if you can't get bonded,maybe you shouldn't have a badge and a gun.
 
2014-05-11 09:55:25 AM
The phrase a Billion Here, A Billion there...   is generally attributed to Everett Dirksen and while in character, it's unclear that he actually said it (there's no documented proof of him doing so).
 
2014-05-11 10:07:30 AM
Heads up, Albuquerque
 
2014-05-11 10:16:01 AM
My buddy from high school works at a law firm that does nothing but sue cops.

Not like, nationally, either.  Just one city.  The entire law firm has a bunch of lawyers who all do nothing but sue the cops (and sometimes related workers like prison guards and stuff).  Like a whole bunch of lawyers have full-time jobs, suing the city and the cops.  And they have such a backlog that they can't keep up.  They turn down cases left and right.

Kudos to him though.  It's like a never-ending cash cow and he gets to feel good for 'fighting the good fight' against unjust oppressors or whatever.  Still, the amounts are staggering several hundred thousand dollars here in a settlement or a million there after two years of legal crap.

Sucks for the tax payers though.....but what can you do?
 
2014-05-11 11:14:36 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: My buddy from high school works at a law firm that does nothing but sue cops.


How does someone in that line of work manage to stay alive and out of prison?
 
2014-05-11 11:53:28 AM
The first time video caught Dallas police officers in corruption and dereliction of duty:

www.americanussr.com
 
2014-05-11 12:55:50 PM
Not like its there money.
 
2014-05-11 12:56:57 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: My buddy from high school works at a law firm that does nothing but sue cops.

Not like, nationally, either.  Just one city.  The entire law firm has a bunch of lawyers who all do nothing but sue the cops (and sometimes related workers like prison guards and stuff).  Like a whole bunch of lawyers have full-time jobs, suing the city and the cops.  And they have such a backlog that they can't keep up.  They turn down cases left and right.

Kudos to him though.  It's like a never-ending cash cow and he gets to feel good for 'fighting the good fight' against unjust oppressors or whatever.  Still, the amounts are staggering several hundred thousand dollars here in a settlement or a million there after two years of legal crap.

Sucks for the tax payers though.....but what can you do?


It does suck for the taxpayers that we are forced to support cops who are unable to properly perform their job.  Sadly, unlike most jerbs, when something goes wrong, it's going to go really wrong, not just a burned pizza or burger or a poor item specification - it's going to mean someone's life or their freedom.  IF we fail to hold the cops to high standards - and we have failed - then the only recourse is the court system for redress.

IMHO, it would behoove the entire police profession to take reform as their goal and to clean house, rid itself of the corruption, but there is no way this will happen, to much money is at stake.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-11 01:38:43 PM
fnordfocus

As long as the city is financially liable, cops need not take offense if you sue them. The depositions are a nuisance, but it's not like you are going to take their houses away.

If they had to have a personal insurance policy, things would be different. The suit would blow up their premiums. Around here the unions won't let that happen.
 
2014-05-11 04:29:04 PM
There are "bad" sops who will break the law and act as bad as any other criminal. There are "good" cops who live by the law and protect the community from criminals.

Then there are the "worst" cops, who cover up for and facilitate the behavior of the "bad" cops.
www.deargrumpycat.com
 
2014-05-11 05:07:07 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The more you eat the more you fart:
What needs to happen is a federal mandate: every time your department loses a case, it also loses a portion of its funding...with the money going to a mandatory ethics training class.

How about criminal liability for criminal behavior?  If you murder someone, you don't get fired, you go to prison.

Works for me, but id prefer an automatic death penalty for cops who kill innocent people, and i dont care if its a stray bullet.

Cops are paid to "serve and protect" the general public, not themselves.

That means if a cop has to eat a bullet to avoid potentially killing an innocent bystander, then that is what they are paid for.

Open fire to protect himself and kill said innocent bystander? Death penalty for killing someone he took an oath to protect.


Lawful Neutral in effect yo
I dig it
 
2014-05-11 06:20:05 PM
Pffft.  Pikers.  Sheriff Joe has cost over 44 million in lawsuits, and they're also investigating $110 million in misspent funding in the sheriff's dept also.  Not too shabby for a senile old man who doesn't know what's going on in his department.
 
2014-05-11 07:10:02 PM
The soil is poisoned. It doesnt matter if you plant police,priests.doctors or chiefs the fruit will be dangerous to eat.

 In the late 80s I read an opinion that suggested the most decisive way to combat crime would be to suspened the constitution for 90 days.The government will do whatever it sees fit to dismantle criminal enterprises from mouthy punks speeding to mafia enterprises and so forth with 'concentration camps , summary executions and what have you  being employed vigorously..Constitutional rights would be reintroduced a little at a time .
 Or thats the jist of it anyway
 Whatever , this country is a dead man walking anyway
 
2014-05-11 10:10:47 PM
ZAZ
fnordfocus
As long as the city is financially liable, cops need not take offense if you sue them. The depositions are a nuisance, but it's not like you are going to take their houses away.
If they had to have a personal insurance policy, things would be different. The suit would blow up their premiums.
Around here the unions won't let that happen.

That is the problem. There have been a few incidents where the police departments denied responsibility for the actions taken by specific officers. Tony Bologna was transferred, the department denied his request for legal support and he transferred to another division. The union provided him a lawyer.

A few weeks ago when Moe choked that student and was caught by a journalist, he was fired and it looks like he is on his own.

I too would like to see police be required to have malpractice insurance, just like doctors, to price out the crazies.
 
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