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(The Raw Story)   Rachel Maddow explains Benghazi flap by way of Monty Python: 'Burn the witch! Burn her!'   (rawstory.com) divider line 375
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2014-05-11 01:00:28 PM  

mrshowrules: - If it is still a thing next year, Hillary will (rightly or wrongly) be fatally tainted.
I think the GOP is the taint in this scenario

- Therefore, if Hillary fails to get the nomination (or worse, gets the nomination and loses the election) it will ultimately be the Obama administration's fault.
Now you need to put down the crack-pipe. The deaths of those 4 brave Americans didn't save Romney despite his transparent and disgusting attempts to politicize it and it won't save you in 2016. In fact, keep it up and it might cost you this November.


He's very concerned.

Fart_Machine: Did you forget which alt you logged in with?


Appears that he has.
 
2014-05-11 01:05:16 PM  
I can't tell the difference between the trolls and the ones who actually believe this stuff anymore.
/scary days
 
2014-05-11 01:06:05 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:
Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?


 He either seriously thinks that I'm a troll with multiple alts or else he's desperate to find an excuse to not have to address my arguments. I think it's the former. The "paid shills and trolls conspiracy that GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!! © " theory seems very popular around here. It's always fun watching people go from accusing others of engaging in moonbattery to engaging in it themselves.
/study it out, people! :D
 
2014-05-11 01:14:19 PM  
 ^ Doubly- amusing because not once have I ever accused the Obama administration of any "conspiracy" in this matter or even wrong- doing. I merely pointed out that their behavior during the investigations has been politically self- defeating.
 So now we've gone from "conspiracy theorist" (which doesn't fly) to "you're part of a conspiracy!" (which is hilarious).
 Seriously, why all the wild- eyed defensiveness? After all, nothing to see here, right? This is just a little political nothing. Nothing to get all panicky over. ;)

/I haz a gazillionty alts
//study it out!
 
2014-05-11 01:15:00 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?

 He either seriously thinks that I'm a troll with multiple alts or else he's desperate to find an excuse to not have to address my arguments. I think it's the former. The "paid shills and trolls conspiracy that GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!! © " theory seems very popular around here. It's always fun watching people go from accusing others of engaging in moonbattery to engaging in it themselves.
/study it out, people! :D


So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.
 
2014-05-11 01:19:59 PM  
http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-72-want-the-truth-about-benghazi/a r ticle/2548064

What was that you folks were saying about "what most people think"?

/put down the kool- aid and back away
 
2014-05-11 01:25:09 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:
So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.

 I seem to fall in line with the majority, according to the polling. I see no reason why I shouldn't care. But feel free to prove your case about how that makes me a troll.
/Nationwide Troll Conspiracy!
 
2014-05-11 01:34:30 PM  

GoSlash27: http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-72-want-the-truth-about-benghazi/a r ticle/2548064

What was that you folks were saying about "what most people think"?

/put down the kool- aid and back away


Says the guy who cited the Washington Examiner.
 
2014-05-11 01:35:24 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.

 I seem to fall in line with the majority, according to the polling. I see no reason why I shouldn't care. But feel free to prove your case about how that makes me a troll.
/Nationwide Troll Conspiracy!


Who conducted that poll?
 
2014-05-11 01:36:34 PM  
*crickets*

Wow... nothing??

farm4.staticflickr.com /the first step is admitting you have a problem
 
2014-05-11 01:40:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.

 I seem to fall in line with the majority, according to the polling. I see no reason why I shouldn't care. But feel free to prove your case about how that makes me a troll.
/Nationwide Troll Conspiracy!

Who conducted that poll?


 Why do you ask? *innocent look* Think there's some sort of... "conspiracy" afoot to make you believe that you're in the minority? :D
 
2014-05-11 01:47:07 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.

 I seem to fall in line with the majority, according to the polling. I see no reason why I shouldn't care. But feel free to prove your case about how that makes me a troll.
/Nationwide Troll Conspiracy!

Who conducted that poll?

 Why do you ask? *innocent look* Think there's some sort of... "conspiracy" afoot to make you believe that you're in the minority? :D


Nope. It's well known about Rasmussen.
 
2014-05-11 01:48:53 PM  
I'm still trying to get over Rachel Maddow being a lesbian. Are you guys sure about that? Huh.
 
2014-05-11 01:49:17 PM  
It's always fun when the trolls think they've got you and then have to come back and derp some more.
 
2014-05-11 01:49:32 PM  

GoSlash27: Doubly- amusing because not once have I ever accused the Obama administration of any "conspiracy" in this matter or even wrong- doing. I merely pointed out that their behavior during the investigations has been politically self- defeating.


Uh huh... You're just pointing things out and asking questions. Yeah... never seen that one before.

GoSlash27: Seriously, why all the wild- eyed defensiveness? After all, nothing to see here, right? This is just a little political nothing. Nothing to get all panicky over.


Ahh... the exaggerate everyone else's reaction to your posts thing too. Wow... so avant-garde.

Just so you know, you're not half as clever as you like to think you are and it shows. But by all means, if you want to keep proving that, keep posting the same kind of stupid shiat you have been... or go back to lurking.
 
2014-05-11 01:49:58 PM  

Destructor: I'm still trying to get over Rachel Maddow being a lesbian. Are you guys sure about that? Huh.


Oh god not this again.
 
2014-05-11 01:54:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh god not this again.


:-) Couldn't help myself. damnedest thing. Sorry for the interruption everyone, carry on.
 
2014-05-11 02:04:16 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: Fart_Machine:

The government must be stonewalling on 9/11 because they won't release those documents that prove it was an inside job. This is exactly what you sound like.

 When all you got is "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" everything sounds like "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1"

Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?


Yeah he is.
 
2014-05-11 02:04:18 PM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine:

The government must be stonewalling on 9/11 because they won't release those documents that prove it was an inside job. This is exactly what you sound like.

 When all you got is "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" everything sounds like "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1"


First of all, real or fake, Benghazi is a conspiracy theory by definition.  You and others believe that powers are conspiring to hide the truth about Benghazi.  That's a conspiracy theory.  Can you at least agree to that?

/of course it is also a 100% bullshiat conspiracy theory as well but that's another story
 
2014-05-11 02:10:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.

 I seem to fall in line with the majority, according to the polling. I see no reason why I shouldn't care. But feel free to prove your case about how that makes me a troll.
/Nationwide Troll Conspiracy!

Who conducted that poll?

 Why do you ask? *innocent look* Think there's some sort of... "conspiracy" afoot to make you believe that you're in the minority? :D

Nope. It's well known about Rasmussen.


 Those evil poll manipulators at Rasmussen ;) They're all out to get you, you know!
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/03/13/poll -m ost-americans-dont-believe-hillary-clinton-on-benghazi-security/

And Bloomberg.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/benghazi-poll_n_3255403.htm l

And the evil, right-wing HuffPo.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-agree-house-gop-creating-spec ia l-benghazi-committee

And the evil, right- wing MSNBC.

 In fact, *EVERYBODY* who has conducted polling on this matter has shown the same public sentiment. It is only you folks who think you are in the majority on this one, and I guarantee you can't find anything to support that claim.
/you can beat addiction
 
2014-05-11 02:10:55 PM  
 
2014-05-11 02:13:06 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
So why do you care if documents that are irrelevant to the events at hand are released or not? You are really concerned for someone who doesn't think there's a "there" there.

 I seem to fall in line with the majority, according to the polling. I see no reason why I shouldn't care. But feel free to prove your case about how that makes me a troll.
/Nationwide Troll Conspiracy!

Who conducted that poll?

 Why do you ask? *innocent look* Think there's some sort of... "conspiracy" afoot to make you believe that you're in the minority? :D

Nope. It's well known about Rasmussen.

 Those evil poll manipulators at Rasmussen ;) They're all out to get you, you know!
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/03/13/poll -m ost-americans-dont-believe-hillary-clinton-on-benghazi-security/

And Bloomberg.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/benghazi-poll_n_3255403.htm l

And the evil, right-wing HuffPo.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-agree-house-gop-creating-spec ia l-benghazi-committee

And the evil, right- wing MSNBC.

 In fact, *EVERYBODY* who has conducted polling on this matter has shown the same public sentiment. It is only you folks who think you are in the majority on this one, and I guarantee you can't find anything to support that claim.
/you can beat addiction


I think you're addicted to being concerned about nothing. You still can't coherently specify what it is you're concerned about regarding the events of Benghazi.
 
2014-05-11 02:14:03 PM  
Also, those polls cited are interestingly worded.
 
2014-05-11 02:14:45 PM  

GoSlash27: Sorry, forgot to link MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-agree-house-gop-creating-spec ia l-benghazi-committee


Lol, an online poll? Really now?
 
2014-05-11 02:19:08 PM  
mrshowrules:
First of all, real or fake, Benghazi is a conspiracy theory by definition.  You and others believe that powers are conspiring to hide the truth about Benghazi.  That's a conspiracy theory.   Can you at least agree to that?

/of course it is also a 100% bullshiat conspiracy theory as well but that's another story


Sadly, I cannot. I do not hold any position on whether or not "powers are conspiring to hide the truth". I cannot and do not know that. All *I'm* saying is that the administration is unabashedly uncooperative with investigations into this matter.
 That's not a "conspiracy theory", it's objective fact that the WH themselves freely admit.
 
2014-05-11 02:20:51 PM  

GoSlash27: mrshowrules:
First of all, real or fake, Benghazi is a conspiracy theory by definition.  You and others believe that powers are conspiring to hide the truth about Benghazi.  That's a conspiracy theory.   Can you at least agree to that?

/of course it is also a 100% bullshiat conspiracy theory as well but that's another story

Sadly, I cannot. I do not hold any position on whether or not "powers are conspiring to hide the truth". I cannot and do not know that. All *I'm* saying is that the administration is unabashedly uncooperative with investigations into this matter.
 That's not a "conspiracy theory", it's objective fact that the WH themselves freely admit.


You're just concerned that since Obama isn't providing irrelevant data, he must be hiding SOMETHING, even if you have no idea what it could conceivably be
 
2014-05-11 02:22:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: Sorry, forgot to link MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-agree-house-gop-creating-spec ia l-benghazi-committee

Lol, an online poll? Really now?


It was there. Still beats your supporting polling, doesn't it? Can you find even so much as an online poll to support your assertion about "what most people think"?
/I betcha can't
//cognitive dissonance is a form of dope- sickness
 
2014-05-11 02:25:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: mrshowrules:
First of all, real or fake, Benghazi is a conspiracy theory by definition.  You and others believe that powers are conspiring to hide the truth about Benghazi.  That's a conspiracy theory.   Can you at least agree to that?

/of course it is also a 100% bullshiat conspiracy theory as well but that's another story

Sadly, I cannot. I do not hold any position on whether or not "powers are conspiring to hide the truth". I cannot and do not know that. All *I'm* saying is that the administration is unabashedly uncooperative with investigations into this matter.
 That's not a "conspiracy theory", it's objective fact that the WH themselves freely admit.

You're just concerned that since Obama isn't providing irrelevant data, he must be hiding SOMETHING, even if you have no idea what it could conceivably be


You should take a remedial course on constructing strawman. This one is sub- par.
 
2014-05-11 02:25:30 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984: GoSlash27: Sorry, forgot to link MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-agree-house-gop-creating-spec ia l-benghazi-committee

Lol, an online poll? Really now?

It was there. Still beats your supporting polling, doesn't it? Can you find even so much as an online poll to support your assertion about "what most people think"?
/I betcha can't
//cognitive dissonance is a form of dope- sickness


Your assertion is that bad evidence is good enough? Is that what you want to run with? Are you for real?
 
2014-05-11 02:30:42 PM  
I often find myself wondering what, exactly, a troll would have to do to make himself so obvious that nobody would reply to him.

I have yet to find the answer to that question.
 
2014-05-11 02:33:48 PM  

Biological Ali: I often find myself wondering what, exactly, a troll would have to do to make himself so obvious that nobody would reply to him.

I have yet to find the answer to that question.


The scary thing is that while someone on Fark is pretending to be a lying obtuse sack of shiat, there are real people out there that honestly believe what the liar spews.
 
2014-05-11 02:34:32 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:
Your assertion is that bad evidence is good enough? Is that what you want to run with? Are you for real?

As opposed to your assertion that all the evidence is bad and you are free to construct your own reality?
If given the choice of which side I want to argue, I'll go with mine.
 All of the polling conducted shows that the average American wants this investigation. None of it shows that nobody cares about Benghazi except rabid right- wingers, as you allege.
 You are living in a self- imposed fantasy, and anyone with the ability to type the words "Benghazi Poll" into a search engine can easily see how deluded you are.

/get help
 
2014-05-11 02:35:47 PM  

NeverDrunk23: The scary thing is that while someone on Fark is pretending to be a lying obtuse sack of shiat, there are real people out there that honestly believe what the liar spews.


Soooo... Rachel isn't a lesbian?
 
2014-05-11 02:38:15 PM  

Destructor: NeverDrunk23: The scary thing is that while someone on Fark is pretending to be a lying obtuse sack of shiat, there are real people out there that honestly believe what the liar spews.

Soooo... Rachel isn't a lesbian?


Teehee :D
 
2014-05-11 02:43:37 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
Your assertion is that bad evidence is good enough? Is that what you want to run with? Are you for real?

As opposed to your assertion that all the evidence is bad and you are free to construct your own reality?
If given the choice of which side I want to argue, I'll go with mine.
 All of the polling conducted shows that the average American wants this investigation. None of it shows that nobody cares about Benghazi except rabid right- wingers, as you allege.
 You are living in a self- imposed fantasy, and anyone with the ability to type the words "Benghazi Poll" into a search engine can easily see how deluded you are.

/get help


These same polls also show Obama's approval rating go up. What's your point?
 
2014-05-11 02:44:04 PM  
cameroncrazy1984

You know what? On second thought, have it your way.
 I'm just a troll with however many alts you would like me to have. All the polling on this (whatever type/ source) has been skewed by a huge conspiracy. The Obama administration should just go ahead and share whatever info they wish. There will be no political cost for taking this course of action.
 This isn't a threat to Hillary's chances, so feel free to continue as you have been and run her.

/good luck with that ;)
 
2014-05-11 02:46:32 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984

You know what? On second thought, have it your way.
 I'm just a troll with however many alts you would like me to have. All the polling on this (whatever type/ source) has been skewed by a huge conspiracy. The Obama administration should just go ahead and share whatever info they wish. There will be no political cost for taking this course of action.
 This isn't a threat to Hillary's chances, so feel free to continue as you have been and run her.

/good luck with that ;)


I never said you had alts. I simply pointed out the flaw in your concern.
 
2014-05-11 03:05:52 PM  

GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?

 He either seriously thinks that I'm a troll with multiple alts or else he's desperate to find an excuse to not have to address my arguments. I think it's the former. The "paid shills and trolls conspiracy that GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!! © " theory seems very popular around here. It's always fun watching people go from accusing others of engaging in moonbattery to engaging in it themselves.
/study it out, people! :D


You haven't made any arguments apart from you believe the Administration is withholding "something" even though the so-called smoking gun e-mails don't say anything new. The fact that you contradict yourself with conspiracy nonsense leads me to believe you're either a troll or a nutcase.
 
2014-05-11 03:15:27 PM  

Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?

 He either seriously thinks that I'm a troll with multiple alts or else he's desperate to find an excuse to not have to address my arguments. I think it's the former. The "paid shills and trolls conspiracy that GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!! © " theory seems very popular around here. It's always fun watching people go from accusing others of engaging in moonbattery to engaging in it themselves.
/study it out, people! :D

You haven't made any arguments apart from you believe the Administration is withholding "something" even though the so-called smoking gun e-mails don't say anything new. The fact that you contradict yourself with conspiracy nonsense leads me to believe you're either a troll or a nutcase.


Reading comprehension: Is it for you?

 I have pointed out very specifically what information the WH is withholding. The WH themselves have freely admitted they are withholding it. The only thing I have contradicted is your carefully- constructed self- delusion.
 But having said that, refer to what I told your buddy "cameron" upstream:

"You know what? On second thought, have it your way.
 I'm just a troll with however many alts you would like me to have. All the polling on this (whatever type/ source) has been skewed by a huge conspiracy. The Obama administration should just go ahead and share whatever info they wish. There will be no political cost for taking this course of action.
 This isn't a threat to Hillary's chances, so feel free to continue as you have been and run her.

/good luck with that ;)"
 
2014-05-11 03:19:39 PM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?

 He either seriously thinks that I'm a troll with multiple alts or else he's desperate to find an excuse to not have to address my arguments. I think it's the former. The "paid shills and trolls conspiracy that GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!! © " theory seems very popular around here. It's always fun watching people go from accusing others of engaging in moonbattery to engaging in it themselves.
/study it out, people! :D

You haven't made any arguments apart from you believe the Administration is withholding "something" even though the so-called smoking gun e-mails don't say anything new. The fact that you contradict yourself with conspiracy nonsense leads me to believe you're either a troll or a nutcase.

Reading comprehension: Is it for you?

 I have pointed out very specifically what information the WH is withholding. The WH themselves have freely admitted they are withholding it. The only thing I have contradicted is your carefully- constructed self- delusion.
 But having said that, refer to what I told your buddy "cameron" upstream:

"You know what? On second thought, have it your way.
 I'm just a troll with however many alts you would like me to have. All the polling on this (whatever type/ source) has been skewed by a huge conspiracy. The Obama administration should just go ahead and share whatever info they wish. There will be no political cost for taking this course of action.
 This isn't a threat to Hillary's chances, so feel free to continue as you have been and run her.

/good luck with that ;)"


Aren't they actually sharing whatever info they wish already? Why are you concerned then? The only way you would be concerned is if you think they are hiding something specific.
 
2014-05-11 03:25:04 PM  

GoSlash27: Fart_Machine: GoSlash27: cameroncrazy1984:
Did you forget which alt you logged in with?

Oh, this'll be rich. This is the part where "ZOMGCONSPIRACYTHEORIEZ11!1" outlines for the rest of us his "trolls" conspiracy theory.
/gimme a sec to get mah popcorn
// aaand...... go.

Wait, you're really that dumb that you don't recognize obvious sarcasm?

 He either seriously thinks that I'm a troll with multiple alts or else he's desperate to find an excuse to not have to address my arguments. I think it's the former. The "paid shills and trolls conspiracy that GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!! © " theory seems very popular around here. It's always fun watching people go from accusing others of engaging in moonbattery to engaging in it themselves.
/study it out, people! :D

You haven't made any arguments apart from you believe the Administration is withholding "something" even though the so-called smoking gun e-mails don't say anything new. The fact that you contradict yourself with conspiracy nonsense leads me to believe you're either a troll or a nutcase.

Reading comprehension: Is it for you?

 I have pointed out very specifically what information the WH is withholding. The WH themselves have freely admitted they are withholding it. The only thing I have contradicted is your carefully- constructed self- delusion.
 But having said that, refer to what I told your buddy "cameron" upstream:

"You know what? On second thought, have it your way.
 I'm just a troll with however many alts you would like me to have. All the polling on this (whatever type/ source) has been skewed by a huge conspiracy. The Obama administration should just go ahead and share whatever info they wish. There will be no political cost for taking this course of action.
 This isn't a threat to Hillary's chances, so feel free to continue as you have been and run her.

/good luck with that ;)"


No at this point you're just not very bright and have no idea what you're talking about. Have fun with that.
 
2014-05-11 03:37:44 PM  

GoSlash27: mrshowrules:
First of all, real or fake, Benghazi is a conspiracy theory by definition.  You and others believe that powers are conspiring to hide the truth about Benghazi.  That's a conspiracy theory.   Can you at least agree to that?

/of course it is also a 100% bullshiat conspiracy theory as well but that's another story

Sadly, I cannot. I do not hold any position on whether or not "powers are conspiring to hide the truth". I cannot and do not know that. All *I'm* saying is that the administration is unabashedly uncooperative with investigations into this matter.
 That's not a "conspiracy theory", it's objective fact that the WH themselves freely admit.

from wiki:

conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation


Is the English language part of the conspiracy?  If there is no conspiracy than there is just the scandal that you can't define.
 
2014-05-11 03:43:35 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: rambling whargarble snip


Yes or no: did he violate his parole when he posted that video?
 
2014-05-11 03:54:39 PM  

mrshowrules: Is the English language part of the conspiracy? If there is no conspiracy than there is just the scandal that you can't define.


Obviously if there is a witch hunt, that means there is a witch out there.
 
2014-05-11 04:01:34 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: ... I'll never have any common cause with Democrats because if they aren't on my side on this one, they never will be on my side.


Seriously?  You'll let this clusterfark of a non-issue irrevocably define which "side" you're on?

Here are some things worthy of taking up sides:
- Civil rights
- Universal suffrage
- Health care and related research
- Advancing scientific knowledge
- Ensuring safe water supplies
- Feeding the poor
- Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya ...

Not worthy:
- Tastes Great vs Less Filling
- Ginger vs Mary Ann
- The designated hitter rule
- Benghazi

Your honor, your allegiances and your principled stands have immeasurable value.  In my opinion, they're ultimately the only things that have any value, and you're saying that your litmus test regarding "support for free speech" involves someone who yelled "fire" in a movie theater?  And in response, you stand with the people who want to make it illegal for teachers to teach evolution or sex education?  And who pass laws making it illegal to mention "weather" in legislation?  And who've made it illegal to fund any research into gun violence?  Are these the free speech advocates who PASS your litmus test?
 
2014-05-11 04:01:36 PM  
mrshowrules:
from wiki:

A  conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation

Is the English language part of the conspiracy?  If there is no conspiracy than there is just the scandal that you can't define.


 Not sure if this is directed at me. It was posted quoting me, so I assume it was. Please pardon/ ignore this response if it's not...

 At no point have I ever "accused two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation ", so by definition I am not a "conspiracy theorist".
 All I said is that the administration has chosen to withhold information that was specifically requested of them in connection with an ongoing investigation, which *they themselves* freely admit to.
 I then go on to argue that this behavior is politically damaging to them and lends credibility to the investigation which it otherwise wouldn't have.
 Anything more than this is a strawman argument; an attempt to assign to me an argument I haven't made.

 Again, pardon me if I mistook your post.
 
2014-05-11 04:11:55 PM  

GoSlash27: mrshowrules:
from wiki:

A  conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation

Is the English language part of the conspiracy?  If there is no conspiracy than there is just the scandal that you can't define.

 Not sure if this is directed at me. It was posted quoting me, so I assume it was. Please pardon/ ignore this response if it's not...

 At no point have I ever "accused two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation ", so by definition I am not a "conspiracy theorist".
 All I said is that the administration has chosen to withhold information that was specifically requested of them in connection with an ongoing investigation, which *they themselves* freely admit to.
 I then go on to argue that this behavior is politically damaging to them and lends credibility to the investigation which it otherwise wouldn't have.
 Anything more than this is a strawman argument; an attempt to assign to me an argument I haven't made.

 Again, pardon me if I mistook your post.


It was so politically damaging to them that Obama was re-elected. Your concern is noted, and incorrect.
 
2014-05-11 04:19:40 PM  
^ And you left out the most important part of a "conspiracy theory"; that it cannot, by it's construction, be disproven. That is, anything that disproves the theory itself is rejected out of hand as propaganda by "they".

/sorta like "how all the polling that shows overwhelming public support for another congressional hearing into the matter (which is to say all the polling conducted so far on the matter) has been deliberately skewed"
 
2014-05-11 04:24:40 PM  

GoSlash27: mrshowrules:
from wiki:

A  conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation

Is the English language part of the conspiracy?  If there is no conspiracy than there is just the scandal that you can't define.

 Not sure if this is directed at me. It was posted quoting me, so I assume it was. Please pardon/ ignore this response if it's not...

 At no point have I ever "accused two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation ", so by definition I am not a "conspiracy theorist".
 All I said is that the administration has chosen to withhold information that was specifically requested of them in connection with an ongoing investigation, which *they themselves* freely admit to.
 I then go on to argue that this behavior is politically damaging to them and lends credibility to the investigation which it otherwise wouldn't have.
 Anything more than this is a strawman argument; an attempt to assign to me an argument I haven't made.

 Again, pardon me if I mistook your post.


Keep up

you: "Liberals call this a conspiracy theory"

me: "well it is by definition a conspiracy theory"

you: "no it isn't"

me: "yes it is, here's the definition"

you: "no it isn't I didn't claim two or more people of covering up a misdeed, I just claim that an Administration (two or more people) are deliberately not releasing information"


That is exactly the farking definition I just cited you idiot.  You sure as help better hope it is a conspiracy (a real one) or you guys are wasting everybody's farking time because there is no scandal unless you think it is one being deliberately hidden.  You either have scandal, a scandal covered up by a conspiracy theory or neither, so which is it?
 
2014-05-11 04:29:11 PM  

GoSlash27: ^ And you left out the most important part of a "conspiracy theory"; that it cannot, by it's construction, be disproven. That is, anything that disproves the theory itself is rejected out of hand as propaganda by "they".

/sorta like "how all the polling that shows overwhelming public support for another congressional hearing into the matter (which is to say all the polling conducted so far on the matter) has been deliberately skewed"


That the definition of an ideal fake conspiracy theory.  The fact that you and the GOP have a conspiracy theory is just a fact.  It was proven false by numerous committees and investigations.  Now it is a fake conspiracy theory and you are correct that it will never be disproven to the satisfaction of the nutjobs.
 
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