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2014-05-10 06:26:00 PM  

Destructor: Probably nothing.


then just what would have been corrected with altered timing?

i'll smile and nod at 'stonewalling' as topically, that could mean anything, nothing, and everything in between - and before the conversation is over, it likely will. That really has nothing at all to do w/ the concept of 'well, if republicans had had a select committee to begin with, rather than 14 warm-up committees...' thinking. There still has to be a there there. There isn't.
 
2014-05-10 06:27:21 PM  

mark12A: There is something seriously wrong with you.
No snark there. You should seek help.

I'm not the one who needs help.

Example: Back in the 80's, an Iranian-American co-worker of mine was trying to get his brother into the States. His brother had managed to escape Iran and the tender mercies of Ayatolla Khomeni after the Islamic revolution and got as far as Italy. I listened to Azimi on the phone, calling the State Department over and over again, begging for help. They kept blowing him off.

Finally, I told Azimi to call his Senator and explain the situation. The State Department simply does not care about private American citizens. The Senator's staff live for this kind of thing, cause they know the State Department fears congress, because congress will do naughty things to them, like force them to fly economy class, thus the Senator (whoever the Pennsylvania senators were in 1986)  stuck his foot up the State Department's ass and Azimi's brother  was promptly flown to the states. Typical story.

I once needed an emergency ex-fil after my idiot step father got mixed up with some Islamic Indonesian gun runners shipping arms to the southern Philippines, and they were going to shoot *my ass* as a warning to him, so, once again, the state department was all "do we know you??" until my uncle called congress and I was out the next day without anybody knowing about it.

The State Department is staffed by tools. Period. Benghazi is even worse, because they dicked over THEIR OWN PEOPLE.


You understand that if you are not just being a magnificent troll that you are a genuine crazy person.
 
2014-05-10 06:27:33 PM  

mark12A: There is something seriously wrong with you.
No snark there. You should seek help.

I'm not the one who needs help.

Example: Back in the 80's, an Iranian-American co-worker of mine was trying to get his brother into the States. His brother had managed to escape Iran and the tender mercies of Ayatolla Khomeni after the Islamic revolution and got as far as Italy. I listened to Azimi on the phone, calling the State Department over and over again, begging for help. They kept blowing him off.

Finally, I told Azimi to call his Senator and explain the situation. The State Department simply does not care about private American citizens. The Senator's staff live for this kind of thing, cause they know the State Department fears congress, because congress will do naughty things to them, like force them to fly economy class, thus the Senator (whoever the Pennsylvania senators were in 1986)  stuck his foot up the State Department's ass and Azimi's brother  was promptly flown to the states. Typical story.

I once needed an emergency ex-fil after my idiot step father got mixed up with some Islamic Indonesian gun runners shipping arms to the southern Philippines, and they were going to shoot *my ass* as a warning to him, so, once again, the state department was all "do we know you??" until my uncle called congress and I was out the next day without anybody knowing about it.

The State Department is staffed by tools. Period. Benghazi is even worse, because they dicked over THEIR OWN PEOPLE.


Anecdotal evidence from the internet? Well, I'm convinced now and will take every post you have ever made as the gospel truth.

Why, though, would the State Department care about an Iranian citizen? Sounds like Azimi was barking up the wrong tree. And you might be an idiot for suggesting that the State Department should treat citizens of another country living in a third country the exact same as they would treat a citizen.
 
2014-05-10 06:28:52 PM  
4804 total Americans died in Iraq in the 10 years we had troops there.

That is 480 per year. 1.3 a day. So basically, a Benghazi about every 3 days. For 10 farking years.

Even if you forget for a second the botched intelligence that got us into that mess (hard to do, I know), during that time we had the "Mission Accomplished" speech, "You're with us or you're against us", "The army you have not the army you want", Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, the "wolves at the doorstep" political ad, and countless other attempts by the GOP to either gain political advantage from the war effort or to mitigate political damage after a botched operation.
 But NOW they are outraged over a POTUS (maybe) considering politics amidst 4 American deaths in the middle east.
 
2014-05-10 06:28:54 PM  

WraithSama: DeArmondVI: Destructor: Oh, thank God. I was afraid I was going to miss a day without something about Benghazi here. Dodged that bullet.

It's only the biggest scandal of empty suit tyranical nazi communism since Digonrugula gate doncha know.

Christ, I remember dijon-gate.  I remember Fox News talking all day long about him asking for dijon mustard for his sandwich at some restaurant, and I must have watched them play that snippet from the Gray Poupon commercial twenty times through the day.  I mean, they basically came JUST SHY of coming right out and saying, "Uppity Black President Orders Fancy Mustard."  I remember being pretty disgusted by it.  This actually occured just before I left the republican party and began moving leftward.  Hell, maybe it was even the final straw, I don't remember anymore.


Glad to hear you left the sinking ship of turds. Much like Clinton, Obama is a fantastic Republican POTUS. The modern GOP/conservative movement has gone so far off of the rails that they fail to see the overall ideological victory in the "liberal" party embracing the free market and security state. Apparently they find it best to harp on an endless parade of nontroversies simply because the ideological victory didn't happen with an (R) after Obama's name.

Imagine the RW reaction to Snowden and Manning had a Republican been in office, if you will. I imagine something along the lines of public beheadings.
 
2014-05-10 06:37:24 PM  

Destructor: heap: just what is it you think is there that hasn't been covered dozens of times by now?

Probably nothing. The most realistic thing that they could have found was a trail of incompetence which explains the stone walling.

I seriously doubt they'd find a memo saying, "Can't save those guys, it could make me look bad, XOXOX Obama".

heap: Perhaps some of the confusion is in not seeing it as what it is to begin with - a political attack.

I agree with you. That's basically what this is, a political attack. And a bad one at that. What's amazing is even some Republican commentators realize the risk that this could backfire politically. But, whatever. Just have to sit back and watch the show. /shrug


Lol, what trail of incompetence could there possibly be?
 
2014-05-10 06:38:54 PM  
Why, though, would the State Department care about an Iranian citizen? Sounds like Azimi was barking up the wrong tree. And you might be an idiot for suggesting that the State Department should treat citizens of another country living in a third country the exact same as they would treat a citizen.

Excuse me? Is this the same Fark that cries great big crocodile tears about poor illegal immigrant families getting split up by that mean old border patrol and sent back to Mexico to try again?

Azimi made it to the states, became a citizen, ending up working with me for the Navy. The very *least* we could have done was to help him save his brother from certain death.....
 
2014-05-10 06:39:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What stonewalling?


Page after page of examples from a google search. And not just from the usual suspects (FoxNews, etc).

In a letter to Kerry, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said the State Department has shown a "disturbing disregard" for its legal obligations to Congress...

The news comes as recently released emails showed the administration withheld documents from congressional investigators.
-Source (5/5/2014)

Here are a dozen or so unanswered questions from 1/2013.

heap: then just what would have been corrected with altered timing?


The problem with this slow march through this quagmire is it is painful for everyone. Get to the bottom of it (using whatever tools are required), and move on.
 
2014-05-10 06:39:53 PM  

amiable: mark12A: There is something seriously wrong with you.
No snark there. You should seek help.

I'm not the one who needs help.

Example: Back in the 80's, an Iranian-American co-worker of mine was trying to get his brother into the States. His brother had managed to escape Iran and the tender mercies of Ayatolla Khomeni after the Islamic revolution and got as far as Italy. I listened to Azimi on the phone, calling the State Department over and over again, begging for help. They kept blowing him off.

Finally, I told Azimi to call his Senator and explain the situation. The State Department simply does not care about private American citizens. The Senator's staff live for this kind of thing, cause they know the State Department fears congress, because congress will do naughty things to them, like force them to fly economy class, thus the Senator (whoever the Pennsylvania senators were in 1986)  stuck his foot up the State Department's ass and Azimi's brother  was promptly flown to the states. Typical story.

I once needed an emergency ex-fil after my idiot step father got mixed up with some Islamic Indonesian gun runners shipping arms to the southern Philippines, and they were going to shoot *my ass* as a warning to him, so, once again, the state department was all "do we know you??" until my uncle called congress and I was out the next day without anybody knowing about it.

The State Department is staffed by tools. Period. Benghazi is even worse, because they dicked over THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

You understand that if you are not just being a magnificent troll that you are a genuine crazy person.


Meet the new Truthers. Same as the old Truthers.
 
2014-05-10 06:41:14 PM  

Destructor: cameroncrazy1984: What stonewalling?

Page after page of examples from a google search. And not just from the usual suspects (FoxNews, etc).

In a letter to Kerry, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said the State Department has shown a "disturbing disregard" for its legal obligations to Congress...

The news comes as recently released emails showed the administration withheld documents from congressional investigators. -Source (5/5/2014)

Here are a dozen or so unanswered questions from 1/2013.

heap: then just what would have been corrected with altered timing?

The problem with this slow march through this quagmire is it is painful for everyone. Get to the bottom of it (using whatever tools are required), and move on.


What did those supposed "withheld" documents contain? Why were they withheld?

It's not "stonewalling" if the administration didn't provide unrelated crap that doesn't involve Benghazi at all.
 
2014-05-10 06:42:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lol, what trail of incompetence could there possibly be?


Lets borrow Obama's time machine, form a select committee 18 months ago and find out... :-)
 
2014-05-10 06:43:55 PM  

Destructor: cameroncrazy1984: Lol, what trail of incompetence could there possibly be?

Lets borrow Obama's time machine, form a select committee 18 months ago and find out... :-)


So what you're saying is that you WISH there was incompetence, and since no committee was formed you can just say you know it's there but we'll never know.
 
2014-05-10 06:45:54 PM  

Destructor: Page after page of examples from a google search. And not just from the usual suspects (FoxNews, etc).


Issa keeps claiming the administration is stonewalling because he's not getting the answers he wants.

Everybody who testifies who fails to confirm his conspiracy theory only seems to provide him with further evidence of how deep this thing goes.
 
2014-05-10 06:46:19 PM  

Destructor: Get to the bottom of it (using whatever tools are required), and move on.


THIS.  Just show us the REAL birth certificate, and we'll be on our way.
 
2014-05-10 06:47:21 PM  

Destructor: The problem with this slow march through this quagmire is it is painful for everyone. Get to the bottom of it (using whatever tools are required), and move on.


again, there is no 'bottom' to get to - what you see is the desired outcome, not some poor method of getting to the bottom of something.

also, darryl farking issa and google? really? come the hell on. i can show you 14 million results for William Shatner and God combined together, as well an essay from a crazy bastard proclaiming all the red shirts died for our sins.
 
2014-05-10 06:47:51 PM  

udhq: Destructor: Page after page of examples from a google search. And not just from the usual suspects (FoxNews, etc).

Issa keeps claiming the administration is stonewalling because he's not getting the answers he wants.

Everybody who testifies who fails to confirm his conspiracy theory only seems to provide him with further evidence of how deep this thing goes.


rarerborealis.com
 
2014-05-10 06:48:03 PM  

Destructor: heap: then just what would have been corrected with altered timing?

The problem with this slow march through this quagmire is it is painful for everyone. Get to the bottom of it (using whatever tools are required), and move on.


The problem not only lies with how long this is taking, but why it's taking six (I think, if I've counted correctly) planned committees or searches to find what Issa and others think "the truth" is. What didn't Issa find on committee one that this stuff needs to be dragged through the mud for so long? It just seems like the answers weren't there right away, the white house staff tried to release answers as things became more clear, and up to and beyond that point, detractors constantly hounded people like Kerry and Clinton for more answers that don't exist.

To continue on this path of repeating what we've already seen,  especially as the families have come out and said "We don't want our fallen family members to continually be dragged into this", means that we're past the point of 'What Really Happened' and we're onto 'Who Can We Make Look The Worst On This?'.

Stop the investigations. Stop the lies. Stop the mud-flinging. Stop wasting everyone's time. The outrage only exists now because Republicans in Congress need something to be outraged about. 13 embassy attacks under Bush, no committees trying to point fingers. Republican-led House reducing the budget for foreign assistance, completely ignored.

Enough.
 
2014-05-10 06:52:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What did those supposed "withheld" documents contain? Why were they withheld?

It's not "stonewalling" if the administration didn't provide unrelated crap that doesn't involve Benghazi at all.


Evidence that contradicts the administrations assertion that the Rice claim originated with the CIA. It may have originated with the State Department. As for why they were withheld, I have no idea. Obama said they contained nothing new, I guess? If we take him at his word, that would be why. Here's a link to FactCheck (I honestly don't know if it swings left or right... Whatever).
 
2014-05-10 06:53:53 PM  

Agneska: Someone in the White House decided not to send help when the attacks were happening. I'm sure they had a good and valid reason to give the stand down order. This is about to get very interesting.


Egads! a hither-to unknown flavor of derp!
 
2014-05-10 06:55:16 PM  
They told us it was a video protest that got out of hand. They told us this because a 37 yr old English major (with a masters in the fine art of creative writing) decided that that story was more politically expedient during an election year than the truth. How did that kid guy over rule the CIA?

That's some pathetically sad shiat, but considering the main actors in this drama, it's certainly no surprise. The fact that Hillary went along with it should cost her the nomination, because she can't win. The DNC won't can't abide that.
 
2014-05-10 06:57:39 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: They told us it was a video protest that got out of hand. They told us this because a 37 yr old English major (with a masters in the fine art of creative writing) decided that that story was more politically expedient during an election year than the truth. How did that kid guy over rule the CIA?

That's some pathetically sad shiat, but considering the main actors in this drama, it's certainly no surprise. The fact that Hillary went along with it should cost her the nomination, because she can't win. The DNC won't can't abide that.


So what you're saying is that there really is no scandal. It's just a politically motivated attack against Hillary being a contender for 2016. Thanks for being honest.
 
2014-05-10 06:57:46 PM  
and now on invented motive theater...
 
2014-05-10 06:57:49 PM  

mark12A: Excuse me? Is this the same Fark that cries great big crocodile tears about poor illegal immigrant families getting split up by that mean old border patrol and sent back to Mexico to try again?


Well, that was a pointless little whine.
 
2014-05-10 07:01:27 PM  

Destructor: cameroncrazy1984: What did those supposed "withheld" documents contain? Why were they withheld?

It's not "stonewalling" if the administration didn't provide unrelated crap that doesn't involve Benghazi at all.

Evidence that contradicts the administrations assertion that the Rice claim originated with the CIA. It may have originated with the State Department. As for why they were withheld, I have no idea. Obama said they contained nothing new, I guess? If we take him at his word, that would be why. Here's a link to FactCheck (I honestly don't know if it swings left or right... Whatever).


May have? That's the solid evidence you have? That something "may have" originated at State? 25,000 documents and that's the strongest connection to stonewalling you have?

Give it up man, because it's gone.
 
2014-05-10 07:01:46 PM  
ya know, it's rarely a good sign when the thread count goes consistantly downward.
 
2014-05-10 07:03:30 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: They told us it was a video protest that got out of hand. They told us this because a 37 yr old English major (with a masters in the fine art of creative writing) decided that that story was more politically expedient during an election year than the truth. How did that kid guy over rule the CIA?

That's some pathetically sad shiat, but considering the main actors in this drama, it's certainly no surprise. The fact that Hillary went along with it should cost her the nomination, because she can't win. The DNC won't can't abide that.


You do know there were other protests, right? And you do know that whether there was a protest or not really doesn't matter in regard to the reason behind the deaths of 4 Americans, right?
 
2014-05-10 07:05:14 PM  

palelizard: Destructor: Agneska: Someone in the White House decided not to send help when the attacks were happening. I'm sure they had a good and valid reason to give the stand down order. This is about to get very interesting.

Can it please get more interesting faster? Because the Republicans have mismanaged this thing so badly, it's hard to see what good can come from it.

The Republicans haven't mismanaged anything. It's just that Clinton's propaganda machine has been in full force since before day 1 orchestrating the cover-up.  It's hard to get accurate facts from those involved when they've been threatened by Washington insiders.  I've no doubt that President Obama had no idea about what was really happening--but there's no way Clinton did not. Didn't she advertise about who Americans wanted to get the middle of the night call?  This whole thing is an attempt to discredit Obama, likely in a way that improves Hillary's chances in 2016.  I hope he doesn't let her drag him down.  He should appoint a special prosecutor, someone non-partisan and trusted by all, to get to the bottom of this.

Look at it this way--the Clintons got away with Vince Foster, Whitewater, an extramarital affair and perjury, all while we knew full well they'd done it but were stymied by their incredibly cover-up apparatus. Obama couldn't convince people he was born in the country.  Heck, he was on the ropes about the whole birth certificate thing when the Republican governor of Hawaii stepped in a bailed him out.  It's not his fault--without a teleprompter, he's just a community organizer who bit off more than he bargained for.  Out of the two, who do you think really orchestrated this cover-up?

Sadly, much like before, this has been done so well we may never be able to prove it and in twenty years, people who don't remember will just think of it as 'one more conspiracy theory', despite H. R. Clinton being in her fifth term.


I think that sums up all the Fox "news" talking points.
 
2014-05-10 07:05:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: So what you're saying is that you WISH there was incompetence, and since no committee was formed you can just say you know it's there but we'll never know.


Wish? I wish this were over. Really, I do. As far as incompetence goes, we really don't need this particular scandal to prove that.

udhq: Issa keeps claiming the administration is stonewalling because he's not getting the answers he wants.

Everybody who testifies who fails to confirm his conspiracy theory only seems to provide him with further evidence of how deep this thing goes.


I'm okay with that. Then the Republicans are getting what they deserve; a black eye and a reputation as jerks.

born_yesterday: THIS. Just show us the REAL birth certificate, and we'll be on our way.


OMG, congratulations. You found something I care even less about... :-)

heap: again, there is no 'bottom' to get to - what you see is the desired outcome, not some poor method of getting to the bottom of something.


At this point, I don't see how we're going to learn more.

heap: also, darryl farking issa and google? really? come the hell on. i can show you 14 million results for William Shatner and God combined together, as well an essay from a crazy bastard proclaiming all the red shirts died for our sins.


Heap, the search was on Benghazi and Scandal. I really don't care about Issa. FWIW, I'm not a fan of his.

Triple Oak: The outrage only exists now because Republicans in Congress need something to be outraged about. 13 embassy attacks under Bush, no committees trying to point fingers. Republican-led House reducing the budget for foreign assistance, completely ignored.


Perhaps the whole Rice talking points thing took so long to clear up (there's an example of some political incompetence, but not the kind that matters). That's like catnip to Republicans with an axe to grind. Once they got a taste of that, they figured there was more to mine out of this turd. The answer seems pretty clear now: Nope, not really. If they were smart (and they don't appear to be), they'd just back away.
 
2014-05-10 07:06:48 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: They told us it was a video protest that got out of hand. They told us this because a 37 yr old English major (with a masters in the fine art of creative writing) decided that that story was more politically expedient during an election year than the truth. How did that kid guy over rule the CIA?

That's some pathetically sad shiat, but considering the main actors in this drama, it's certainly no surprise. The fact that Hillary went along with it should cost her the nomination, because she can't win. The DNC won't can't abide that.


Wow, the Benghazi derp machine has never made sense, but that is just pathetic.  I'm sure that all the things you just know to true will finally be proven by THIS committee.  And if not this time then maybe the next time, or the time after that.  Or if you're lucky, you might uncover somebody's extra-marital affair, or a suspicious "suicide."

The important thing is that you keep farking that chicken.  Don't let repeated failure ever dissuade you.  You are a Great American.
 
2014-05-10 07:07:26 PM  

Destructor: cameroncrazy1984: So what you're saying is that you WISH there was incompetence, and since no committee was formed you can just say you know it's there but we'll never know.

Wish? I wish this were over. Really, I do. As far as incompetence goes, we really don't need this particular scandal to prove that.

udhq: Issa keeps claiming the administration is stonewalling because he's not getting the answers he wants.

Everybody who testifies who fails to confirm his conspiracy theory only seems to provide him with further evidence of how deep this thing goes.

I'm okay with that. Then the Republicans are getting what they deserve; a black eye and a reputation as jerks.

born_yesterday: THIS. Just show us the REAL birth certificate, and we'll be on our way.

OMG, congratulations. You found something I care even less about... :-)

heap: again, there is no 'bottom' to get to - what you see is the desired outcome, not some poor method of getting to the bottom of something.

At this point, I don't see how we're going to learn more.

heap: also, darryl farking issa and google? really? come the hell on. i can show you 14 million results for William Shatner and God combined together, as well an essay from a crazy bastard proclaiming all the red shirts died for our sins.

Heap, the search was on Benghazi and Scandal. I really don't care about Issa. FWIW, I'm not a fan of his.

Triple Oak: The outrage only exists now because Republicans in Congress need something to be outraged about. 13 embassy attacks under Bush, no committees trying to point fingers. Republican-led House reducing the budget for foreign assistance, completely ignored.

Perhaps the whole Rice talking points thing took so long to clear up (there's an example of some political incompetence, but not the kind that matters). That's like catnip to Republicans with an axe to grind. Once they got a taste of that, they figured there was more to mine out of this turd. The answer seems pretty clear now: Nope, not really. If they were smart (and they don't appear to be), they'd just back away.


What do you need to prove incompetence? Obviously you haven't proved it via Benghazi. What else has proven incompetence to you?
 
2014-05-10 07:08:18 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: They told us it was a video protest that got out of hand. They told us this because a 37 yr old English major (with a masters in the fine art of creative writing) decided that that story was more politically expedient during an election year than the truth. How did that kid guy over rule the CIA?

That's some pathetically sad shiat, but considering the main actors in this drama, it's certainly no surprise. The fact that Hillary went along with it should cost her the nomination, because she can't win. The DNC won't can't abide that.


Considering that movie created protests all over the area it was only natural to think that it was the cause of the attack in Benghazi. The only pathetically sad thing is that people still believe it is a scandal of any kind and the republicans have to actually lie to try to discredit Obama and Clinton. The republicans are also profiting off of dead Americans by fundraising off of the attacks.
 
2014-05-10 07:09:04 PM  

MindStalker: By "Goo Ball", I think he meant to replace the word "Tar Baby", because he knows its dangerous to use Tar Baby nowadays because people are ignorant.


yeah that's what it sounded like to me. at least he was thinking on his feet and substituted the politically correct if not inane "goo ball" descriptor.
 
2014-05-10 07:09:26 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Give it up man, because it's gone.


Hmm. You're probably right. Well, I guess we're all going to (yawn) find out with this latest stupid committee.
 
2014-05-10 07:10:25 PM  

Destructor: cameroncrazy1984: Give it up man, because it's gone.

Hmm. You're probably right. Well, I guess we're all going to (yawn) find out with this latest stupid committee.


Yeah, this will totally be the one that brings down the house of cards.

Unt the next one that'll totally be the one.
 
2014-05-10 07:11:04 PM  

Destructor: cameroncrazy1984: Give it up man, because it's gone.

Hmm. You're probably right. Well, I guess we're all going to (yawn) find out with this latest stupid committee.


There is literally nothing that this committee can find that we have not already found out with the first one.
 
2014-05-10 07:11:14 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What do you need to prove incompetence?


Me? I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm trying to rationalize and explain what I think the Republicans are doing. (I'm already satisfied there's incompetence, not that it matters--mostly because it doesn't.)
 
2014-05-10 07:11:51 PM  
Joshua learned futility long before these assholes ever will.
 
2014-05-10 07:12:29 PM  

Destructor: The problem with this slow march through this quagmire is it is painful for everyone. Get to the bottom of it (using whatever tools are required), and move on.


OK, fine.  Let's get to the bottom of this.

Destructor: At this point, I don't see how we're going to learn more.


Oh, you say we're already there.  Great then.  Job's done.
 
2014-05-10 07:16:20 PM  
Maddow is hands-down my favorite lesbian and I just think the world of her.  However, I'm shocked that I seem to be the only one that knows how that Monty Python witch hunt bit concludes.  Sir Bedevere concocts, thru tremendously tortured logic, a test to identify if the woman is a witch or not, by seeing id she weighs the same as a duck.  They put her on the scales and they Do balance, with Carol Cleveland as the accused witch then admitting: "It's a far cop".  ( I.e. "I confess I am indeed a witch").

So, this clip was probably not what Rachel should have used to poke fun at the Senator's assertion that a witch must ipso-facto exist if there's a  witch hunt.


And I can't believe the internet was invented so I could waste all out time making this stupid distinction, but, there it is.
 
2014-05-10 07:17:22 PM  

Destructor: I'm already satisfied there's incompetence


Care to elaborate?
 
2014-05-10 07:23:18 PM  

Close2TheEdge: palelizard: Destructor: Agneska: Someone in the White House decided not to send help when the attacks were happening. I'm sure they had a good and valid reason to give the stand down order. This is about to get very interesting.

Can it please get more interesting faster? Because the Republicans have mismanaged this thing so badly, it's hard to see what good can come from it.

The Republicans haven't mismanaged anything. It's just that Clinton's propaganda machine has been in full force since before day 1 orchestrating the cover-up.  It's hard to get accurate facts from those involved when they've been threatened by Washington insiders.  I've no doubt that President Obama had no idea about what was really happening--but there's no way Clinton did not. Didn't she advertise about who Americans wanted to get the middle of the night call?  This whole thing is an attempt to discredit Obama, likely in a way that improves Hillary's chances in 2016.  I hope he doesn't let her drag him down.  He should appoint a special prosecutor, someone non-partisan and trusted by all, to get to the bottom of this.

Look at it this way--the Clintons got away with Vince Foster, Whitewater, an extramarital affair and perjury, all while we knew full well they'd done it but were stymied by their incredibly cover-up apparatus. Obama couldn't convince people he was born in the country.  Heck, he was on the ropes about the whole birth certificate thing when the Republican governor of Hawaii stepped in a bailed him out.  It's not his fault--without a teleprompter, he's just a community organizer who bit off more than he bargained for.  Out of the two, who do you think really orchestrated this cover-up?

Sadly, much like before, this has been done so well we may never be able to prove it and in twenty years, people who don't remember will just think of it as 'one more conspiracy theory', despite H. R. Clinton being in her fifth term.

This is what I hate about Saturday threads.  The A-list trolls ...


No depth. No bench. And they didn't do anything in the Troll Draft either.
 
2014-05-10 07:23:41 PM  

udhq: Destructor: I'm already satisfied there's incompetence

Care to elaborate?


It's outside the scope of this thread, but I hate leaving questions unanswered... so I'll keep it brief. ACA implementation, handling of sundry domestic issues (ex: Beer summit), various foreign policy issues (Iran nuke development, red line). Those are the big ones, I think.
 
2014-05-10 07:24:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What do you need to prove incompetence? Obviously you haven't proved it via Benghazi. What else has proven incompetence to you?


Well, apparently, all those kidnapped Nigerian girls are victims of Hillary's incompetence because reasons.  And a truly competent President would have glared menacingly at Putin and forced him out of Ukraine.  And it's a fact that Obama hasn't killed every terrorist or eliminated unemployment...what more proof of incompetence do you need?
 
2014-05-10 07:24:39 PM  

udhq: Destructor: I'm already satisfied there's incompetence

Care to elaborate?


DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!  OBAMA IS NOT OMNISCIENT!

If a president does not know absolutely everything about an event - the perpetrators, their motives, their intent, where to find them in a few days to catch them, and how to position military assets before the event in order to prevent it, including how to drop a bomb on a building and kill only the bad guys - THEN WHAT USE IS HE?????
 
2014-05-10 07:26:57 PM  

Destructor: udhq: Destructor: I'm already satisfied there's incompetence

Care to elaborate?

It's outside the scope of this thread, but I hate leaving questions unanswered... so I'll keep it brief. ACA implementation, handling of sundry domestic issues (ex: Beer summit), various foreign policy issues (Iran nuke development, red line). Those are the big ones, I think.


How does Obama show incompetence over Iran nuke development?  Or how does he show more incompetence than every other administration since the ayatollahs took over and decided they wanted a h-bomb?  Did they successfully test one and I missed hearing about it?
 
2014-05-10 07:27:46 PM  

Summoner101: Agneska: Someone in the White House decided not to send help when the attacks were happening. I'm sure they had a good and valid reason to give the stand down order. This is about to get very interesting.

You may be surprised by this, but we haven't gotten to the point where we can drop troops in somewhere automatically.


Bullshiat.

Obama could have sent in drop pods and had squads of Terminators defending the embassy by round three, tops.

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2014-05-10 07:29:15 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Goo ball


You realize that this is an insta-meme now.
 
2014-05-10 07:31:46 PM  

Destructor: udhq: Destructor: I'm already satisfied there's incompetence

Care to elaborate?

It's outside the scope of this thread, but I hate leaving questions unanswered... so I'll keep it brief. ACA implementation, handling of sundry domestic issues (ex: Beer summit), various foreign policy issues (Iran nuke development, red line). Those are the big ones, I think.


A A rollout was  Rocky, but it's a success overall...the red line is definitely a comment he shouldn't have made, but it's a pretty small deal, really.  I don't even see how the others qualify as incompetence,  but I don't watch FOX, which seems to be a requirement for seeing failure everywhere.
 
2014-05-10 07:32:44 PM  

Destructor: It's outside the scope of this thread, but I hate leaving questions unanswered... so I'll keep it brief. ACA implementation, handling of sundry domestic issues (ex: Beer summit), various foreign policy issues (Iran nuke development, red line). Those are the big ones, I think.


Ah.  I thought you were talking specifically to incompetence in Benghazi.

You're objectively wrong about most of these items, but yes, those are different arguments for another time.
 
2014-05-10 07:33:27 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: They told us this because a 37 yr old English major (with a masters in the fine art of creative writing) decided that that story was more politically expedient during an election year than the truth. How did that kid guy over rule the CIA?


Can't believe some newbie Senator convinced all the Republican House Representatives to shut down the government. Oh wait, one of those is a "story" and one is something that almost crippled our entire economy. SPIN HARDER

The fact that Hillary went along with it should cost her the nomination, because she can't win.

Any excuse you can drum up to note that your side has no electable contenders.
 
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