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(Washington Post)   You might want to sit down for this, but it kinda looks like Comcast's new "$10 per month internet, because we want to help the poors" is less "helping hand" and more "middle finger"   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2014-05-10 04:06:11 PM  
My days of being a Comcast customer made me wonder why gay guys like anal sex so much.
 
2014-05-10 04:08:40 PM  
If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).
 
2014-05-10 04:09:33 PM  
Oh boo hoo, you can't stream videos.
 
2014-05-10 04:10:19 PM  
5 megs per second? It's better than nothing. You really only need about 10 megs a second to do everything most people do on the Internet. The only issue you might have is slow online gaming.
 
2014-05-10 04:12:17 PM  
I'm kinda wondering why a private company is taking on what should be a directive from the government anyway.
 
2014-05-10 04:13:35 PM  
Consistent QoS at 5mbs is good as long as it's not a home full of downloading and streaming customers.

One streaming HD and the rest just perusing the internet should be ok.
 
2014-05-10 04:13:48 PM  
Err if it really is 5Mb then you won't have any trouble streaming unless your going to multiple computers/TV's, I wish I could get 5 meg for 10$ paying 36 for 6Mb(don't have any trouble streaming) or doing anything else for that matter.
 
2014-05-10 04:13:48 PM  

jaylectricity: Oh boo hoo, you can't stream videos.


That's a valid complaint. Why shouldn't you be able to use it to access the internet, especially since you're paying for it?

5mbit is fine to stream videos, the article got it incorrect.
 
2014-05-10 04:15:43 PM  

spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).


That part jumped out at me too. 5mbit is MORE than enough for most streaming sites. I'm no fan of Comcast(or any isp), but going by the article this doesn't sound like a bad deal at all, if you can get it.
 
2014-05-10 04:16:36 PM  

spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).


This. IF it's actually 5Mb, it's fine for SD streaming. Heck, the fastest DSL in the area is only 6Mb for $50ish.
 
2014-05-10 04:17:12 PM  

spawn73: I'm kinda wondering why a private company is taking on what should be a directive from the government anyway.


You can make a lot of money providing basic internet to poor people. Most people don't really need much connectivity. I do about 45 megs a second on my network; but then, sometimes I need that to stream music while I play Xbox; while uploading stuff through a VPN to an FTP server and then HTTPing some PHP in mySQL.
 
2014-05-10 04:17:45 PM  

spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).


Unless Comcast is throttling what you are streaming.

jaylectricity: Oh boo hoo, you can't stream videos.


There are a lot of school and educational material available for streaming.
 
2014-05-10 04:17:46 PM  

iheartscotch: 5 megs per second? It's better than nothing. You really only need about 10 megs a second to do everything most people do on the Internet. The only issue you might have is slow online gaming.


Eh no, thats not how things work.

But sadly not the first time I heard about people purchasing a faster download speed for online gaming.


Once your download speed is fast enough, its out of the equation. 5mbit is obviously vastly more than you'd need for that.
 
2014-05-10 04:17:57 PM  

El Freak: spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).

That part jumped out at me too. 5mbit is MORE than enough for most streaming sites. I'm no fan of Comcast(or any isp), but going by the article this doesn't sound like a bad deal at all, if you can get it.


I would gladly pay $10/month for a 5 megabit connection.

\on DSL
 
2014-05-10 04:18:04 PM  
Of course, that's the claimed speed.  Seeing as it's Comcast, even more so than most ISPs, the real rate is certainly much slower.
 
2014-05-10 04:18:35 PM  
5Mb/s = 640 KB/s. Is that seriously not enough to stream?
 
2014-05-10 04:18:45 PM  
SpdrJay

My days of being a Comcast customer made me wonder why gay guys like anal sex so much.

We get dinner and a movie first.
 
2014-05-10 04:20:21 PM  

JosephFinn: Of course, that's the claimed speed.  Seeing as it's Comcast, even more so than most ISPs, the real rate is certainly much slower.


Yep. Always assume you're getting screwed by Comcast; you'll almost always be correct.
 
2014-05-10 04:21:00 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).

This. IF it's actually 5Mb, it's fine for SD streaming. Heck, the fastest DSL in the area is only 6Mb for $50ish.


Indeed. I did mean fullHD though. HBO said the requirement for 1080p was 4mbit.


I get lots of buffering from stuff like Youtube, but I know its not my internet speed (which works as advertised). I think some customers are just confused as to how the internet works.

Anyway, at least Netflix should work for them, as Comcast blackmailed them into getting a providing a proper line. To bad Netflix caved in.
 
2014-05-10 04:21:30 PM  
5mbps for $10/mo? DSL costs $20/mo and gets you 1.5mbps. I hate Comcast and Twc as much as the next, and the merger will bring no good, but try and pick something valid to actually pick on.
 
2014-05-10 04:21:48 PM  

jm105: El Freak: spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).

That part jumped out at me too. 5mbit is MORE than enough for most streaming sites. I'm no fan of Comcast(or any isp), but going by the article this doesn't sound like a bad deal at all, if you can get it.

I would gladly pay $10/month for a 5 megabit connection.

\on DSL


I'm considering downgrading my connection from 12 mpbs(due to the fact that I'm damn near broke at the moment and am trying to cut back on bills), and the next lowest plan I can get is 6 mpbs for $35. I would be happier than the proverbial pig in shiat to get close to that speed for $10 a month(assuming it worked consistently).
 
2014-05-10 04:21:50 PM  

jaylectricity: Oh boo hoo, you can't stream videos.


Internet sites are now being designed to require that speed, especially when they're embedding junk ad videos that autoplay.

If their selling point is educational, then absolutely you need enough speed to stream video, since again the majority of content is now being created as video. Isn't is bad enough that students are forced to view between 30 seconds and two minutes of paid advertising before every damned video?
 
2014-05-10 04:22:00 PM  

spawn73: iheartscotch: 5 megs per second? It's better than nothing. You really only need about 10 megs a second to do everything most people do on the Internet. The only issue you might have is slow online gaming.

Eh no, thats not how things work.

But sadly not the first time I heard about people purchasing a faster download speed for online gaming.


Once your download speed is fast enough, its out of the equation. 5mbit is obviously vastly more than you'd need for that.


Meh, you've got to get more than you think you need; that way, when they throttle you back you still have plenty of connectivity. And don't tell me that whole "you believe that they always give you the speed you pay for" thing.

/ I can stream stuff on all of my devices at once; because, why not?
 
2014-05-10 04:22:27 PM  
I'm paying more than twice that for 3mb, so the author of this article can blow me.
 
2014-05-10 04:23:21 PM  

SpdrJay: My days of being a Comcast customer made me wonder why gay guys like anal sex so much.


Ohhhhh...!
www.nowcultured.com
 
2014-05-10 04:23:39 PM  
The proposed merger with Time Warner Cable has alarmed consumer advocates because it would combine the country's top two cable and Internet service providers, putting Comcast in control of 40 percent of the high-speed Internet market and 30 percent of cable TV. Comcast and Time Warner Cable consistently rank at the bottom of customer satisfaction surveys.

I've had almost nothing but bad experiences with TWC. I've lived in two places where TWC were the only cable/internet providers available, and had to suffer through them. Their customer service is garbage. They also once forced an installation of some weird bloatware onto my computer when I first hooked up the internet connection (I guess because this was a college apartment, and they wanted to guard against torrents). 

I've never dealt with Comcast. My dad's an IT person and insists they're awful. Also, this:

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-05-10 04:24:36 PM  
Hell with Mediacomm I was paying for 12 and getting a consistent 3.
 
2014-05-10 04:24:54 PM  
I'm wagering it has to do with someone who can afford their 'normal' service biatching that they aren't given 700 gazillion gigs per second download for the basement level plan.

/reads tfa

Whelp, right on at least a couple parts... So they're complaining that they had outstanding fees to Comcast (seriously?), the fact that it's available to new customers only (obvious is obvious), and nearly exactly what I said (ZOMG I CANT STREEM KAT VEEDIO!!!!?!)

Here's the thing. You're getting a basement level price for internet, basically to do things like surf the web so you can research things, do your email, etc. It doesn't say anywhere you're getting the same thing I pay far more for monthly to get the same speeds as me. You don't get to biatch at a McDonalds worker just because you wanted a Big Mac after ordering and paying for a 50¢ hamburger. As for the new customer thing, that's pretty goddamn obvious. They're trying to pull in people who couldn't afford to buy an ISP's services before, not people looking to minimize their bill. And the outstanding fee part just makes me laugh like a hyena...
 
2014-05-10 04:24:57 PM  
"One student said her family participates in Internet Essentials but complains the connection is slow. She often looks up definitions of words on her smartphone rather than wait for pages to download on her home computer."

Then your computer is loaded up with malware from surfing for porn.
 
2014-05-10 04:25:01 PM  

ongbok: spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).

Unless Comcast is throttling what you are streaming.



And we know Comcast has infact actively been doing that towards Netflix.

It could be any part of the internet causing the throttling of course, and Netflix at least ought to work now that they bribed Comcast to not artificially slow them down.

fark Comcast, fark Netflix and fark FCC for eroding netneutrality.
 
2014-05-10 04:26:12 PM  
Asking someone to pay an old bill before you provide them more service doesn't seem out of line or "middle finger".

Also a bit confused how they could have an outstanding bill if they are required to be new customers. Maybe "new" just means "don't have it right now".
 
2014-05-10 04:26:49 PM  
kittyhas1000legs:

This. IF it's actually 5Mb, it's fine for SD streaming. Heck, the fastest DSL in the area is only 6Mb for $50ish.

This is something a lot of people seem to forget. 6Mbps connections tend to be the norm in large portions of the country. Living in a large metro area will allow folks to get those "100Mbps for $50!" connections, but that's out of reach for a lot of us, since we aren't in a "golden area".

/Evidently, my definition of rural, and theirs are widely divergent...
 
2014-05-10 04:27:42 PM  
I'm all for Comcast hate but this is reaching.. Fluff page click journalism.
 
2014-05-10 04:28:14 PM  

iheartscotch: spawn73: iheartscotch: 5 megs per second? It's better than nothing. You really only need about 10 megs a second to do everything most people do on the Internet. The only issue you might have is slow online gaming.

Eh no, thats not how things work.

But sadly not the first time I heard about people purchasing a faster download speed for online gaming.


Once your download speed is fast enough, its out of the equation. 5mbit is obviously vastly more than you'd need for that.

Meh, you've got to get more than you think you need; that way, when they throttle you back you still have plenty of connectivity. And don't tell me that whole "you believe that they always give you the speed you pay for" thing.

/ I can stream stuff on all of my devices at once; because, why not?


I don't get throttled, that would be illegal in Denmark.

But no, I have no confidence in the situation in USA. I know Comcast are farkers.
 
2014-05-10 04:29:09 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-10 04:30:56 PM  

Iczer: I'm wagering it has to do with someone who can afford their 'normal' service biatching that they aren't given 700 gazillion gigs per second download for the basement level plan.

/reads tfa

Whelp, right on at least a couple parts... So they're complaining that they had outstanding fees to Comcast (seriously?), the fact that it's available to new customers only (obvious is obvious), and nearly exactly what I said (ZOMG I CANT STREEM KAT VEEDIO!!!!?!)

Here's the thing. You're getting a basement level price for internet, basically to do things like surf the web so you can research things, do your email, etc. It doesn't say anywhere you're getting the same thing I pay far more for monthly to get the same speeds as me. You don't get to biatch at a McDonalds worker just because you wanted a Big Mac after ordering and paying for a 50¢ hamburger. As for the new customer thing, that's pretty goddamn obvious. They're trying to pull in people who couldn't afford to buy an ISP's services before, not people looking to minimize their bill. And the outstanding fee part just makes me laugh like a hyena...


If they can't stream videos with 5mbit, then they do get to sue Comcast for breach of contract.
 
2014-05-10 04:31:02 PM  

iheartscotch: 5 megs per second? It's better than nothing. You really only need about 10 megs a second to do everything most people do on the Internet. The only issue you might have is slow online gaming.


Gaming actually doesn't need anywhere near that - most actions in a game from a data standpoint are little more than "this guy did this action at this location" or "this item landed here", easily expressed in a single line of text (unit/item id, skill/gun/whatever id, location coords, damage/gold/whatever). Even processing data from the sort of game where 100 things are moving at once is unlikely to get you anywhere near even a full megabit/sec.

What gaming needs is low latency and low to nonexistent packet loss. You may not need a lot of data, but you need it *now* and you need it right the first time.
 
2014-05-10 04:32:22 PM  

poison_amy: Asking someone to pay an old bill before you provide them more service doesn't seem out of line or "middle finger".

Also a bit confused how they could have an outstanding bill if they are required to be new customers. Maybe "new" just means "don't have it right now".


The "new customer" thing seems to be inconsistent thing depending on who you talk to with Comcast. With any offer Comcast has, depending on which call center you get when you call, whoever answers your call may tell you it is available for new customers only. Hangup and call back 20 minutes later and they won't tell you that.  Not a whole lot of consistency with them when it comes to that.

But it is a no brainier that you will have to pay any outstanding bill.
 
2014-05-10 04:32:31 PM  
Holy hell, why doesn't Google just expand their service already? It's not like they won't make money.
 
2014-05-10 04:33:19 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).

This. IF it's actually 5Mb, it's fine for SD streaming. Heck, the fastest DSL in the area is only 6Mb for $50ish.


I could see it being a problem if it had a really bad upload speed.  Like 128k bad.  That would make that 5m down basically pointless.

As someone who has 2.6m down and 400k up though, I can tell you that 5m down is more than enough to do basically everything on the internet.  The only difference is that you can't do everything all at once.  No online gaming while streaming video while bit torrenting a full season of Game of Thrones or whatever.

I'm sure their low-income connection, like all Comcast connections, is packet shaped to hell though.  There's a perfectly valid reason to hate on them.
 
2014-05-10 04:34:09 PM  
This is cable internet 5Mbit/sec, which in actual use is about the same as a 56k modem, unless it's 4AM and you've murdered all your neighbours.
 
2014-05-10 04:34:49 PM  
Customers biatch, many no mater what. I remember a program years back, to help pwople get computers. Same thing. Machine too slow, old, can't stream movies, etc.Many people complain when they can't get the latest or greatest given to them.One of the reasons I ditched Comcast, was it was too expensive. Plus throttling torrents, leading to a 3rd party provider.Plus, as I've seen, a lot of the software provided serve to load banners and ads. What happened to just Internet, and not all the crap?Just a blank connection, no embedded ads, trackers and stuff. Just make it, and keep it simple. I learned Java for my own purposes, not because I had to. If people don't like it, they don't have to use it. I don't use it much. They can use their *Smahtphones* if they don't like it.
 
2014-05-10 04:34:53 PM  
If they want faster internet than Comcast is offering,why don't they just go use the wifi connection at Starbucks with all of the hipsters.
 
2014-05-10 04:35:51 PM  
www.strat-talk.com

Low cost and free stuff are often not as good as the more expensive versions.
 
2014-05-10 04:36:40 PM  

Huggermugger: jaylectricity: Oh boo hoo, you can't stream videos.

Internet sites are now being designed to require that speed, especially when they're embedding junk ad videos that autoplay.

If their selling point is educational, then absolutely you need enough speed to stream video, since again the majority of content is now being created as video. Isn't is bad enough that students are forced to view between 30 seconds and two minutes of paid advertising before every damned video?


In general, you can elect to use a lower quality setting to reduce the bandwidth requirements, or with the right browser plugins, download the videos and save them to the hard drive, at any quality setting, for viewing and reviewing at ones leisure.

The article highlights two reasons why people were rejected, one of which was having unpaid bills to comcast.   I don't think its unreasonable for comcast to expect to be paid for their services, and the example cited was a $60 bill that went unpaid for 10 years.   

I think the requirement that they be new customers is a bit unfair, though.   Just because they already had some level of service doesn't necessarily mean they can easily afford it.
 
2014-05-10 04:37:11 PM  

spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).


The advertised speed is always BS. In the US anyway. Remember 56k dialup? The reality was 3-4k.
 
2014-05-10 04:38:08 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that 5mbit is not too slow to stream video?

/Because it isn't too slow to stream videos.
//Not too slow.
///To stream video.
////Woooooosh!
 
2014-05-10 04:38:14 PM  

pippi longstocking: Holy hell, why doesn't Google just expand their service already? It's not like they won't make money.


Massive costs and governments actively passing laws to prevent them from doing so.
 
2014-05-10 04:39:22 PM  

ongbok: spawn73: If it really is 5mbit, then its not to slow to stream video streams.

Highest requirement I recall was HBO saying you needed 4mbit for fullHD (when they launched in Denmark).

Unless Comcast is throttling what you are streaming.

jaylectricity: Oh boo hoo, you can't stream videos.

There are a lot of school and educational material available for streaming.


Just download the video using CC or something. It can download while you eat your supper of hot dogs and mac n cheese.
 
2014-05-10 04:39:30 PM  

spawn73: iheartscotch: spawn73: iheartscotch: 5 megs per second? It's better than nothing. You really only need about 10 megs a second to do everything most people do on the Internet. The only issue you might have is slow online gaming.

Eh no, thats not how things work.

But sadly not the first time I heard about people purchasing a faster download speed for online gaming.


Once your download speed is fast enough, its out of the equation. 5mbit is obviously vastly more than you'd need for that.

Meh, you've got to get more than you think you need; that way, when they throttle you back you still have plenty of connectivity. And don't tell me that whole "you believe that they always give you the speed you pay for" thing.

/ I can stream stuff on all of my devices at once; because, why not?

I don't get throttled, that would be illegal in Denmark.

But no, I have no confidence in the situation in USA. I know Comcast are farkers.


Illegal to throttle your Internet connection you say...

Plus, I hear that your ladies are choice indeed.

Regardless, it happens all the time in the US. They'll advertise 30 megs/sec and put a tiny asterisk next to the advertisement.

/ Deceptive/misleading advertisements are a very popular practice in the US. You've got to read your contract; which is written in high Legalise.
 
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