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2014-05-10 04:14:03 PM
Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.

/I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version
 
2014-05-10 04:15:33 PM
I would just like to say this ...

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2014-05-10 04:19:05 PM
And, for the record, even George agrees with me ...

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2014-05-10 04:20:10 PM

Danger Avoid Death: I would just like to say this ...

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2014-05-10 04:20:48 PM

Danger Avoid Death: And, for the record, even George agrees with me ...

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shakes tiny fist
 
2014-05-10 04:29:07 PM
Han shot.

: ]
 
2014-05-10 04:39:46 PM
I've had the original, unedited versions of those movies since I was old enough to watch them. As much as I love a good high-def transfer from high-quality film (Godfather II, Nightmare Before Christmas... good GOD do those look good), I feel that with Star Wars it would just start to make the props and fakery more obvious.
 
2014-05-10 04:41:18 PM

Aar1012: Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.

/I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version


You're sort of right. I won't own it unless they give me one where every scene isn't littered with distracting background CGI bullsh*t.
 
2014-05-10 04:45:07 PM

Aar1012: Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.


You're now favourited as Jon Snow.

/yeah, doesn't belong to the fans at all
//cough  http://originaltrilogy.com/ cough
 
2014-05-10 04:45:10 PM
So let me get this straight. The negatives to one of the most Historical films of all time, that defined an entire decade (the 70's) and it's generation, which made billions for it's creator as well as the studio was left to rot next to some radiator and old rags in a Lucasfilm broom closet?
 
2014-05-10 04:46:01 PM

zobear: Han shot.

: ]


This.
/there was no "second" shot
 
2014-05-10 04:46:32 PM
Adywan. Harmy.

They've been available for a long time. You just need to know where to look.
 
2014-05-10 04:46:58 PM

Aar1012: Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.

/I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version


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2014-05-10 04:47:13 PM

gingerjet: Danger Avoid Death: I would just like to say this ...

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I think Lucas wore that shirt to crank Ford's tail. He reallllly hates being reminded of Han Solo almost as much as he hated playing that role.
 
2014-05-10 04:50:56 PM

Adebisi: Adywan. Harmy.

They've been available for a long time. You just need to know where to look.


This.

Harmy's Despecialized editions are as good as we are going to get when it comes to unaltered editions any time soon. Adywan's Revisited is what the initial Special Editions should have been. Hopefully Empire comes out soon. Probably still quite a wait until Jedi finishes.
 
2014-05-10 04:53:28 PM

Ishidan: zobear: Han shot.

: ]

This.
/there was no "second" shot


Stop it. Stop it right now. This pedantic bullshiat is why nerds have a bad name.

Everyone knows what everyone means when you say "Han shot first." Smugly saying "No, Han shot" is just a stupid farking game of geek oneupsmanship where even if you win, you lose. It makes no functional difference to the actual argument to say "Han shot first" and is actually better in this case because more people will know what you're talking about sooner, even in conversations that aren't about Star Wars.
 
2014-05-10 05:03:20 PM

pedobearapproved: Aar1012: Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.

/I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version

You're sort of right. I won't own it unless they give me one where every scene isn't littered with distracting background CGI bullsh*t.


Can I borrow your copy of The Hidden Fortress?
 
2014-05-10 05:04:07 PM
I don't understand why Fox owning the rights would be such a big issue. Without Lucas standing in the way anymore, nothing is stopping them from spending about a million on a restoration and then putting out yet another Blu-Ray release to either cash in on the release of Episode VII or the 40th anniversary in 2017. It's money in the bank, like every re-release of a classic movie ever.
 
2014-05-10 05:10:15 PM

Aar1012: Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.

/I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version


Actually, the film was entered in the US National Film Registry in 1989 for being preserved as a "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" film, so there is a historical imperative to restore and preserve the original theatrical release for future generations. They aren't going to be very happy with us if all they can watch on their 16k televisions is a crappy 480i Laserdisc transfer.
 
2014-05-10 05:11:16 PM
...because there's a market for it?
 
2014-05-10 05:12:23 PM
Hell it'd be worth releasing just to make the fanboys stfu.
 
2014-05-10 05:16:02 PM
FFS, when the hell are you fanboys going to get over it?  IT'S A GODDAMN MOVIE. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on and do something productive with your lives.  I almost wish Lucas would've released "Star Wars: Ultimate Troll Edition" with every character replaced with Jar Jar. The butthurt nerdrage would've been epic. And most of you would've stood in line to buy the blu ray too.
 
2014-05-10 05:19:15 PM

Aar1012: /I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version


I own the Laserdisc version.  Unfortunately Laserdisc players keep dying on me.
 
2014-05-10 05:27:03 PM

Ishidan: zobear: Han shot.

: ]

This.
/there was no "second" shot


I never understood where "Han Shot First" came from. Greedo never fired his weapon in Star Wars.
 
2014-05-10 05:38:08 PM
You know I always find this discussion really misses the point, it's always "ORIGINAL UNEDITED VERSIONS VS. LATEST TERRIBLE HACKJOB SPECIAL EDITION!"

What actually needs to happen is a lot of the good cleanup stuff needs to stay, and a lot of the 'vader yells no, hayden christensen is in it at all, greedo shooting first, the entire jedi rox song' needs to go.

There was a lot of positive cleanup work done in the special editions that is overshadowed by the things that really really really suck.

(I also want the Yub Yub song back.)
 
2014-05-10 05:39:00 PM

El Freak: FFS, when the hell are you fanboys going to get over it?  IT'S A GODDAMN MOVIE. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on and do something productive with your lives.  I almost wish Lucas would've released "Star Wars: Ultimate Troll Edition" with every character replaced with Jar Jar. The butthurt nerdrage would've been epic. And most of you would've stood in line to buy the blu ray too.


From the standpoint of film studies, Star Wars had a huge influence on the history of film. For better or worse, it has had a huge impact on the way films are made and marketed. For a film that has that much historical value, having a good quality copy of the original theatrical release is not much of an ask. It's only become a huge matter of debate because Lucas has been a huge dick about it.

Contrast this with someone like Ridley Scott who put out a Blu-Ray edition with 5 different version of Blade Runner so fans and film scholars could compare and contrast how the film changed and evolved. I've also got a box set of the Alien movies with the theatrical and special edition versions of each movie. You can't really call Star Wars fans whiny when Lucas is basically ignoring the standard practice of keeping the original version around whenever you put out a special edition. It just the way things are done.
 
2014-05-10 05:39:11 PM

Mad_Radhu: I don't understand why Fox owning the rights would be such a big issue. Without Lucas standing in the way anymore, nothing is stopping them from spending about a million on a restoration and then putting out yet another Blu-Ray release to either cash in on the release of Episode VII or the 40th anniversary in 2017. It's money in the bank, like every re-release of a classic movie ever.


I believe Fox own the right to distribute it but not to alter anything. Disney would have all license to change what they want but don't right now have the right to distribute any of the 2 trilogies. I could be wrong but I think I read that here in Fark sometime ago.
 
2014-05-10 05:41:46 PM
I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it

F*ck you, George.
 
2014-05-10 05:42:14 PM

Mad_Radhu: El Freak: FFS, when the hell are you fanboys going to get over it?  IT'S A GODDAMN MOVIE. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on and do something productive with your lives.  I almost wish Lucas would've released "Star Wars: Ultimate Troll Edition" with every character replaced with Jar Jar. The butthurt nerdrage would've been epic. And most of you would've stood in line to buy the blu ray too.

From the standpoint of film studies, Star Wars had a huge influence on the history of film. For better or worse, it has had a huge impact on the way films are made and marketed. For a film that has that much historical value, having a good quality copy of the original theatrical release is not much of an ask. It's only become a huge matter of debate because Lucas has been a huge dick about it.

Contrast this with someone like Ridley Scott who put out a Blu-Ray edition with 5 different version of Blade Runner so fans and film scholars could compare and contrast how the film changed and evolved. I've also got a box set of the Alien movies with the theatrical and special edition versions of each movie. You can't really call Star Wars fans whiny when Lucas is basically ignoring the standard practice of keeping the original version around whenever you put out a special edition. It just the way things are done.


Yea I always mention the blade runner bluray set as the defacto way to do things for a re-release. I don't think anyone can complain about the restoration efforts and formats available. I mean I'm not a super huge blade runner fan but just owning that bluray set with the excellent documentaries and different cuts made me more interested in the movie than I originally felt.
 
2014-05-10 05:44:25 PM

SamFlagg: You know I always find this discussion really misses the point, it's always "ORIGINAL UNEDITED VERSIONS VS. LATEST TERRIBLE HACKJOB SPECIAL EDITION!"

What actually needs to happen is a lot of the good cleanup stuff needs to stay, and a lot of the 'vader yells no, hayden christensen is in it at all, greedo shooting first, the entire jedi rox song' needs to go.

There was a lot of positive cleanup work done in the special editions that is overshadowed by the things that really really really suck.

(I also want the Yub Yub song back.)


I totally agree. I want to see it cleaned up and restored, but not otherwise altered. Maybe clean up the compositing a bit, but not so much that you are losing a sense of what they accomplished back in 1977 by using modern digital compositing.
 
2014-05-10 05:47:37 PM

El Freak: FFS, when the hell are you fanboys going to get over it?  IT'S A GODDAMN MOVIE. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on and do something productive with your lives.  I almost wish Lucas would've released "Star Wars: Ultimate Troll Edition" with every character replaced with Jar Jar. The butthurt nerdrage would've been epic. And most of you would've stood in line to buy the blu ray too.


Who is more butthurt?  The butthurt, or the butthurt that follows it?

If you don't care, then why are you here, commenting on this?  Get lost.
 
2014-05-10 05:50:26 PM

fusillade762: I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it

F*ck you, George.



Seconded.
 
2014-05-10 06:17:44 PM

El Freak: FFS, when the hell are you fanboys going to get over it?  IT'S A GODDAMN MOVIE. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on and do something productive with your lives.  I almost wish Lucas would've released "Star Wars: Ultimate Troll Edition" with every character replaced with Jar Jar. The butthurt nerdrage would've been epic. And most of you would've stood in line to buy the blu ray too.


You mean "something productive" like trolling threads about movies which they supposedly don't care about?
 
2014-05-10 06:41:19 PM

Lunchlady: Ishidan: zobear: Han shot.

: ]

This.
/there was no "second" shot

Stop it. Stop it right now. This pedantic bullshiat is why nerds have a bad name.

Everyone knows what everyone means when you say "Han shot first." Smugly saying "No, Han shot" is just a stupid farking game of geek oneupsmanship where even if you win, you lose. It makes no functional difference to the actual argument to say "Han shot first" and is actually better in this case because more people will know what you're talking about sooner, even in conversations that aren't about Star Wars.



Really. "Greedo was going to shoot but Han shot first" is a perfectly cromulent expression. Greedo fully intended to kill Han but Han got to him first. Nothing wrong with the phrase.
 
2014-05-10 06:42:55 PM

Lokasenna: I've had the original, unedited versions of those movies since I was old enough to watch them. As much as I love a good high-def transfer from high-quality film (Godfather II, Nightmare Before Christmas... good GOD do those look good), I feel that with Star Wars it would just start to make the props and fakery more obvious.


I've still got all three original VHS first edition copies.

They cost a small fortune when they first came out. I think I paid well over £100 per tape back in the day.
 
2014-05-10 07:11:27 PM

Aar1012: Guys, it's a freakin' movie. Get over it. The fans don't own it, Lucas/Disney does...they can edit it how they want.

/I'll look for the Laserdisk version if I want a good high quality original version


Good job on getting in first, but you're an idiot. The entire point of the article is that Lucas/Disney can NOT release a new edit of the original trilogy, and in particular cannot release a new edit of Episode 4, because of legal entanglements with Fox.
 
2014-05-10 07:19:24 PM
After 35+ years I find that I no longer give a fark.
 
2014-05-10 07:50:02 PM
Why doesn't Disney ask the Library of Congress for their copy?  They have a copy that they didn't sell or give back to Lucas way back when, and I'm guessing Disney could strike another copy of that or simply pony up the million to remake it.

Long story short:  Disney bought Star Wars to make money off of it, and they're bound to put out the original cut simply to get some more cash for it.  It's not a big deal.
 
2014-05-10 08:10:07 PM
There is a reason why I won't get rid of my set of the original trilogy's first individual DVD release -- it included bonus discs with the theatrical versions of each movie.  Downside was that it cost much more than the box set, since you had to pay ~$30/each for them.  WORTH IT.
 
2014-05-10 08:18:49 PM
So what the article boils down to is "the materials exist despite The George saying otherwise, but Disney can't release anything until 2020 when Fox's home video rights revert to them, and can't do Star Wars until ever because without cooperation from Fox, because Fox has the rights for that in perpetuity. But collaborations between studios have been known to happen."

So basically if Fox and Disney decide to throw corporate hissy fits at one another, they'll fark each other and all of us over. If they can get along, everyone will be happy and both studios will make money. Ask me what I think will happen. Go on, ask.
 
2014-05-10 08:18:51 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Why doesn't Disney ask the Library of Congress for their copy?  They have a copy that they didn't sell or give back to Lucas way back when, and I'm guessing Disney could strike another copy of that or simply pony up the million to remake it.

Long story short:  Disney bought Star Wars to make money off of it, and they're bound to put out the original cut simply to get some more cash for it.  It's not a big deal.


Probably because they don't need a copy; they need the distribution rights from Fox.
 
2014-05-10 08:34:40 PM

Anonymous Bosch: So what the article boils down to is "the materials exist despite The George saying otherwise, but Disney can't release anything until 2020 when Fox's home video rights revert to them, and can't do Star Wars until ever because without cooperation from Fox, because Fox has the rights for that in perpetuity. But collaborations between studios have been known to happen."

So basically if Fox and Disney decide to throw corporate hissy fits at one another, they'll fark each other and all of us over. If they can get along, everyone will be happy and both studios will make money. Ask me what I think will happen. Go on, ask.


I know it's small potatoes compared to Star Wars,  but nobody ever thought the rights would allow for the Batman TV show to get a release. It took a while, but it's finally happening.
 
2014-05-10 08:51:58 PM
I wish Disney would hire those guys that wrote the Highlander movie sequels to work on the new Star Wars films. That'd be neat.
 
2014-05-10 09:10:33 PM

SamFlagg: What actually needs to happen is a lot of the good cleanup stuff needs to stay, and a lot of the 'vader yells no, hayden christensen is in it at all, greedo shooting first, the entire jedi rox song' needs to go.

There was a lot of positive cleanup work done in the special editions that is overshadowed by the things that really really really suck.

(I also want the Yub Yub song back.)


This is exactly why not to do it.  There would need to be 100's of versions to appease everyone.  Well keep the cleaned up matte lines, but nothing else.  Well I want the better 5.1 audio, but original video.  Well I want the new SFX from the attack on the Death Star, but none of the improved Cloud City shots.  I agree with putting out the "original" versions, but even the original theatrical distribution had a few variations, not to mention the many re-releases prior to home video.  What is the original version?  Without the Episode IV on the crawl?
 
2014-05-10 09:27:27 PM

SamFlagg: There was a lot of positive cleanup work done in the special editions that is overshadowed by the things that really really really suck.

(I also want the Yub Yub song back.)


The more ambulatory Wampa was nice... the original version always seemed so unfinished. And I don't have any complaints about re-inserting Biggs.

Disagree about Yub Yub though. GIven the magic of the first and dramatic tension of the second films, capping the entire trilogy with singing Ewoks was pretty weak. I thought the Special Edition end song was really pretty.  Jedi Rox, on the other hand, would have been cheesy even in the Christmas Special. There wasn't a thing wrong with Lapti Nek.

It's interesting that Disney is releasing From Star Wars To Jedi on YouTube. One thing I distinctly remember from that old documentary is Lucas himself saying that he never wanted to slow down to "see the scenery," believing that it took away from the story. Which is why, after sixteen months of construction, there isn't a big sweeping show-off shot of Jabba's sail barge.Then you look at what he did in the Special Editions... the cartoonish drive through Mos Eisley and flight through Cloud City, Vader's landing on the Executor, Jedi Rox... they were all
pauses in the story. He wasn't just revising or correcting - he blatantly contradicted his own stated principle.
 
2014-05-10 09:41:49 PM

clkeagle: And I don't have any complaints about re-inserting Biggs.


Phrasing! (especially given Biggs' gay pornstache)
 
2014-05-10 09:53:37 PM

Mugato: clkeagle: And I don't have any complaints about re-inserting Biggs.

Phrasing! (especially given Biggs' gay pornstache)


If they do, it'll have to be CGI'd in.

img2.wikia.nocookie.net

But on that note, it would be nice to see what became of some of the secondary characters, especially someone like Biggs who survived both Yavin and Endor.
 
2014-05-10 09:55:34 PM

Mugato: Lunchlady: Ishidan: zobear: Han shot.

: ]

This.
/there was no "second" shot

Stop it. Stop it right now. This pedantic bullshiat is why nerds have a bad name.

Everyone knows what everyone means when you say "Han shot first." Smugly saying "No, Han shot" is just a stupid farking game of geek oneupsmanship where even if you win, you lose. It makes no functional difference to the actual argument to say "Han shot first" and is actually better in this case because more people will know what you're talking about sooner, even in conversations that aren't about Star Wars.


Really. "Greedo was going to shoot but Han shot first" is a perfectly cromulent expression. Greedo fully intended to kill Han but Han got to him first. Nothing wrong with the phrase.


Thank you.
 
2014-05-10 09:55:58 PM

mjbok: SamFlagg: What actually needs to happen is a lot of the good cleanup stuff needs to stay, and a lot of the 'vader yells no, hayden christensen is in it at all, greedo shooting first, the entire jedi rox song' needs to go.

There was a lot of positive cleanup work done in the special editions that is overshadowed by the things that really really really suck.

(I also want the Yub Yub song back.)

This is exactly why not to do it.  There would need to be 100's of versions to appease everyone.  Well keep the cleaned up matte lines, but nothing else.  Well I want the better 5.1 audio, but original video.  Well I want the new SFX from the attack on the Death Star, but none of the improved Cloud City shots.  I agree with putting out the "original" versions, but even the original theatrical distribution had a few variations, not to mention the many re-releases prior to home video.  What is the original version?  Without the Episode IV on the crawl?


Yeah, you can't please everyone, but a Jabba free ANH would make most people reasonably happy, especially if you put a good restoration team on the job. It's just a matter of clearing out the crap that was added and restoring what needs it to as close to original as possible, like the Sistine Chapel restoration a few decades ago cleaned off not just the crap that had built up over the years, but also removed damage from previous botched restorations.
As for audio, it is trivial to offer different audio options in the disc/stream
 
2014-05-10 09:56:38 PM

TV's Vinnie: But on that note, it would be nice to see what became of some of the secondary characters, especially someone like Biggs who survived both Yavin and Endor


I think you mean Wedge, who deserved a medal more than Solo BTW.
 
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