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(WTKR)   Private security company helping cops patrol high crime area. What could possibly go wrong?   ( divider line
    More: Misc, private security company, Newport News, Crime control, patrols, I'm Serious, cops  
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2014-05-10 05:33:03 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: dopekitty74: Fark like a Barsoomian: Private police companies have a much higher rate of "customer satisfaction" and a much lower rate of abuse complaints.

Which is why police departments and FOP work hard to make sure you don't know that.

I don't want FOP, I'm a Dapper Dan man

Csn find you anywhere on account of the smell of that pomade.

The pleasing aroma is part ofthe reason i use it
2014-05-10 05:36:17 PM  

capn' fun: Despite what you read on Wikipedia, I would still caution anyone from "arresting" someone unless they are a sworn officer of the law.

I don't think it's likely to be prudent to only arrest officers of the law but, I look forward to seeing it happen.
2014-05-10 06:08:00 PM  

Last Man on Earth: And naturally, if you feel so strongly about it, you'll have some source to support your claims, right?

Gunther: It's probably true, it's just not relevant. Private security doesn't have to investigate crimes or write tickets and if they see a dangerous situation they can call in real cops.

They don't actually have to do the shiat that gets complaints, of course they'd get fewer ones. rc eived_advantages
2014-05-10 06:15:01 PM  

capn' fun: ElLoco: The more you eat the more you fart: CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this

Do they have arrest authority?

Pretty much everyone in the US has arrest authority. The catch is that it can't be preemptive as a non-LEO. A crime has to have already been committed.

A "citizen's arrest" is a creature of common law. There is no statute which empowers one citizen to arrest another. All the term means is that if you restrain someone to interrupt an ongoing crime, you have common law defenses against a civil suit for battery. You can still be charged with a crime as well, depending on whether you went Tackleberry, half-Zimmerman, or full Zimmerman. I would strongly urge you to never, ever intervene in a crime unless it was a genuine life or death situation ("potential" life or death doesn't count). And don't expect to be congratulated for your daring-do, either; if you want to see a seasoned cop or a District Attorney grind his/her teeth and roll their eyes, ask them about their favorite citizen's arrest case.

That's actually not true of all states.  For example, here's Tennessee's:
2014-05-10 06:15:22 PM  

dickfreckle: Why so alarmist? Private security firms acting as sentinels/deterrents only are commonplace. It's not like they're granted power of arrest. One of the nicer neighborhoods in my city has had private patrols since I don't know when, and really all they do is deter crime because criminals typically don't like being watched. If you're doing something stupid you'll think twice before doing it in front of a parked security vehicle.

They absolutely have arrest powers.

In Oakland, where this is becoming increasingly common, I've even seen a private security officer make a traffic stop.  I have no idea how this is authorized, but they do it.

There's also a liability issue for the neighborhoods -- these firms have contracts which transfer all liability to the residents who hire them, and very little oversight.  For example, an "unarmed" patrolman got into a shootout with an alleged burglar last winter.

I can imagine what happens if they respond to an incident involving neighbors.  If only one is a subscriber, it's pretty clear that the other guy's going to jail regardless of the facts of the situation.
2014-05-10 07:26:53 PM  

capn' fun: Despite what you read on Wikipedia, I would still caution anyone from "arresting" someone unless they are a sworn officer of the law. Unless you clearly understand the 4th Amendment, the doctrine of probable cause, know the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor in your jurisdiction, whether the statute means "detain until the cops arrive" versus actual arrest, or if there is no statute at all, as in NC. The public policy behind such statutes and the common law is to permit someone who has a crime occur right in front of them to act without fear of being arrested or sued. But those protections are narrow and specific so as not to empower vigilantes or amateurs. If you know a lawyer or someone with access to Westlaw or Lexis Nexus, just a few minutes of research will show you how easily a citizen's arrest can blow up in your face.

No, I wouldn't suggest that it's a good idea to go out and start arresting people.  But depending on the state, an individual sometimes has essentially the same arrest power as a police officer.

What an individual doesn't have is any sort of liability protection or protection from prosecution in the event of an unlawful arrest.

So, screw up, and you could be looking at a kidnapping charge and a massive civil lawsuit.
2014-05-10 08:16:42 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: rc eived_advantages

...Those links do not back up your claims that "Private police companies have a much higher rate of "customer satisfaction" and a much lower rate of abuse complaints ". There's no studies or data or anything, just a few anecdotal quotes and some arguments from crazy right-wing economists like Murray Rothbard that boil down to "private police would be cheaper and more efficient because FREE MARKET".

I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were being honest. I won't make that mistake again.
2014-05-10 08:31:53 PM  

Derp Du Jour: What if the community put some money together and actually hired full time people for this job. Certainly if someone were to be full time they would require training and could be coordinated through some sort of central dispatch area. Heck, might even be a good idea if the community got them vehicles and a way to communicate to make things more efficient.

F'n liberals and your big government.
2014-05-10 09:15:03 PM  

Gunther: I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were being honest. I won't make that mistake again.

Sassy. I like that in a whatever you are.
2014-05-10 09:18:13 PM  
Well, now that we are winding down the two big profitable wars, Blackwater needs work, so this seems like a good fit don't ya think?  I mean, really, we have so much crime in most of America that what we really need are Technicals running around in their 1-1/4 ton Toyota diesel pickup with a rocket launcher and a couple of guys in face masks "Keeping the peace".

No crime to speak of around here but you can't fart without a cop wrinkling his nose - why can't we move some of them around to places like this that seem to need more police around?
2014-05-10 09:26:14 PM  
Hope they ride in pairs. Can't imagine gangs like being watched.
2014-05-10 10:24:45 PM  
As has been mentioned, the power of arrest differs from state to state, but generally if you personally witness the commission of a crime you can make a lawful arrest. In Oregon, a private citizen can't make an actual traffic stop, but a private citizen witnessing a traffic violation can swear an affidavit at the courthouse resulting in a citation being issued to the identified violator and a court date being set. This has been used by citizens to issue citations to police with success (as in, the officer was found guilty of the traffic violation and had to pay the fine, and as far as I know, the citizen was not later found to have committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 16 times while handcuffed. One twist on traffic offenses in Oregon is the standard of proof is merely preponderance of evidence, so if you get a ticket, you're pretty much boned unless you can absolutely prove your innocence).

Unless things have changed since I've been there, in Alaska, a private citizen can use deadly force to prevent an arson. So the laws definitely differ on use of force to prevent crimes from occurring.
2014-05-11 01:11:46 AM  

Snarfangel: Hrist: This is the start of a long term plan to push for the privatization of law enforcement and the military.  The goal is to have a couple of people out there to show that private companies can be slightly helpful at first, then when people get used to the help you hit them with the low low introductory rate.

Pretty soon the same people that privatized the jails are the police too.  Sorry man, gotta make my jail time quota.  Get in the car.  Nothing personal.

But on the plus side, once the military is privatized, they can unionize. "But we are fighting a war here!" "I'm sorry, but our contract is up for re-negotiation."

~12000 former Air Traffic Controllers would like to have a word with you.
2014-05-11 02:40:50 AM  

studebaker hoch: Whoever designed ED-209 knocked it out of the park.

They sure did. The damn thing couldn't even walk down a flight of stairs!
2014-05-11 07:34:07 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: Several nice Detroit neighborhoods (they do exist) have neighborhood associations that hire private security.

They'd like to STAY nice.

In other words, House Of Arrogance run ones.
2014-05-11 01:28:47 PM  
Everybody deserves a safe neighborhood to live in. It's sad that the poorest neighborhoods receive inadequate police protection.
2014-05-11 03:17:55 PM  

They sure did. The damn thing couldn't even walk down a flight of stairs!

They did some kick-ass industrial design and then had it play the role of a potato.

Waste of potential.
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