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(WTKR)   Private security company helping cops patrol high crime area. What could possibly go wrong?   (wtkr.com) divider line 67
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2014-05-10 12:38:35 PM
You're gonna like the way you look, I guarantee it
 
2014-05-10 02:29:26 PM
scifimafia.com
 
2014-05-10 02:40:26 PM

InterruptingQuirk: [scifimafia.com image 560x282]


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/cept it wouldn't be targeting white guys in suits
 
2014-05-10 02:56:48 PM
I think they offer some of these 3rd world cops incentive packages for taking some of these jobs.Police unions won't like it, but so what?
 
2014-05-10 02:58:03 PM
They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this
 
2014-05-10 02:58:06 PM
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Pick up that can..
 
2014-05-10 02:58:38 PM
Commissioner Zim Zam!
 
2014-05-10 02:59:37 PM

CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this


FTA: Some of the security officers are legally armed, however Hartman says their job is only to observe. Up until now, he says there have been no issues.
 
2014-05-10 02:59:59 PM
This thread needs more Milla Jovovich dubbed in German

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2014-05-10 03:00:54 PM
This is the start of a long term plan to push for the privatization of law enforcement and the military.  The goal is to have a couple of people out there to show that private companies can be slightly helpful at first, then when people get used to the help you hit them with the low low introductory rate.

Pretty soon the same people that privatized the jails are the police too.  Sorry man, gotta make my jail time quota.  Get in the car.  Nothing personal.
 
2014-05-10 03:03:49 PM
What if the community put some money together and actually hired full time people for this job. Certainly if someone were to be full time they would require training and could be coordinated through some sort of central dispatch area. Heck, might even be a good idea if the community got them vehicles and a way to communicate to make things more efficient.
 
2014-05-10 03:08:05 PM

CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this


Do they have arrest authority?
 
2014-05-10 03:08:53 PM
This is why we can't has nice things. Our public budgets are stretched so thin that we can't actually police ourselves. Maybe, if we cut 3 of the mayor's 47 aides; we could actually balance the budget.
 
2014-05-10 03:09:02 PM
They'll never make their dog shooting quotas?
 
2014-05-10 03:09:41 PM
Several nice Detroit neighborhoods (they do exist) have neighborhood associations that hire private security.

They'd like to STAY nice.
 
2014-05-10 03:11:08 PM

Derp Du Jour: What if the community put some money together and actually hired full time people for this job. Certainly if someone were to be full time they would require training and could be coordinated through some sort of central dispatch area. Heck, might even be a good idea if the community got them vehicles and a way to communicate to make things more efficient.


Pretty much what I described.
 
2014-05-10 03:12:35 PM

Yaw String: CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this

FTA: Some of the security officers are legally armed, however Hartman says their job is only to observe. Up until now, he says there have been no issues.


That's what I get for believing pictures. I've seen private security companies patrolling neighborhoods for thirty years or so without incident though. Their presence is a decent deterrent. As long as they don't go full Zimmerman.
 
2014-05-10 03:15:00 PM

CruJones: Yaw String: CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this

FTA: Some of the security officers are legally armed, however Hartman says their job is only to observe. Up until now, he says there have been no issues.

That's what I get for believing pictures. I've seen private security companies patrolling neighborhoods for thirty years or so without incident though. Their presence is a decent deterrent. As long as they don't go full Zimmerman.


Drink!
 
2014-05-10 03:16:34 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this

Do they have arrest authority?


Pretty much everyone in the US has arrest authority. The catch is that it can't be preemptive as a non-LEO. A crime has to have already been committed.
 
2014-05-10 03:17:39 PM
I'll buy that for a dollar!

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2014-05-10 03:21:29 PM
On the one hand, a private company would probably be far easier to make accountable for bad behavior than regular cops.

On the other hand, corporate corruption makes the police look honest.

What wonderful choices we have these days.
 
2014-05-10 03:21:49 PM
"I take it very serious."

Indeed.
 
2014-05-10 03:22:45 PM
Private police companies have a much higher rate of "customer satisfaction" and a much lower rate of abuse complaints.

Which is why police departments and FOP work hard to make sure you don't know that.
 
2014-05-10 03:23:27 PM
A private security firm is patrolling a neighborhood and subby thinks this is somehow a new and bad idea?
 
2014-05-10 03:25:38 PM

Emposter: On the other hand, corporate corruption makes the police look honest.


Not really. I've seen both and it's the other way around, by far.
 
2014-05-10 03:26:40 PM
Absolutely nothing, if it's a good security firm.

And this sounds like even the cops are happy to see them there. Some people are only happy when they're biatching, I guess.
 
2014-05-10 03:27:28 PM

FlyingJ: This thread needs more Milla Jovovich dubbed in German

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Boxleitner is in that? Gotta watch it again.
 
2014-05-10 03:34:19 PM
"I'm serious about this job. I take it very serious."

That's the problem. After a couple days they will start to think they ARE police. This will not end well.
 
2014-05-10 03:34:49 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: Private police companies have a much higher rate of "customer satisfaction" and a much lower rate of abuse complaints.

Which is why police departments and FOP work hard to make sure you don't know that.


Fark like a Barsoomian: Emposter: On the other hand, corporate corruption makes the police look honest.

Not really. I've seen both and it's the other way around, by far.


And naturally, if you feel so strongly about it, you'll have some source to support your claims, right?
 
2014-05-10 03:40:04 PM

Last Man on Earth: And naturally, if you feel so strongly about it, you'll have some source to support your claims, right?


It's probably true, it's just not relevant. Private security doesn't have to investigate crimes or write tickets and if they see a dangerous situation they can call in real cops.

They don't actually have to do the shiat that gets complaints, of course they'd get fewer ones.
 
2014-05-10 03:40:23 PM

HawkEyes: "I'm serious about this job. I take it very serious."

That's the problem. After a couple days they will start to think they ARE police. This will not end well.


I know we've had about 1 a year shot here in the Tampa area, all near apartment complexes.  All 3 were supposed to be next class inductees to LE Academies.
 
2014-05-10 03:40:25 PM

ElLoco: The more you eat the more you fart: CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this

Do they have arrest authority?

Pretty much everyone in the US has arrest authority. The catch is that it can't be preemptive as a non-LEO. A crime has to have already been committed.


A "citizen's arrest" is a creature of common law. There is no statute which empowers one citizen to arrest another. All the term means is that if you restrain someone to interrupt an ongoing crime, you have common law defenses against a civil suit for battery. You can still be charged with a crime as well, depending on whether you went Tackleberry, half-Zimmerman, or full Zimmerman. I would strongly urge you to never, ever intervene in a crime unless it was a genuine life or death situation ("potential" life or death doesn't count). And don't expect to be congratulated for your daring-do, either; if you want to see a seasoned cop or a District Attorney grind his/her teeth and roll their eyes, ask them about their favorite citizen's arrest case.
 
2014-05-10 03:41:20 PM
Why so alarmist? Private security firms acting as sentinels/deterrents only are commonplace. It's not like they're granted power of arrest. One of the nicer neighborhoods in my city has had private patrols since I don't know when, and really all they do is deter crime because criminals typically don't like being watched. If you're doing something stupid you'll think twice before doing it in front of a parked security vehicle.
 
2014-05-10 03:46:47 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: Private police companies have a much higher rate of "customer satisfaction" and a much lower rate of abuse complaints.

Which is why police departments and FOP work hard to make sure you don't know that.


I don't want FOP, I'm a Dapper Dan man
 
2014-05-10 03:47:32 PM
This is actually an extremely good idea.  Cut the size of the police force, and take all the money saved, and put it into a private security firm that does nothing but drive around in locked cars, appearing in dangerous neighborhoods.

They're right.  Criminals, drug dealers, they don't like being watched.  Especially if its a security firm.  They should cover the cars in cameras, facing out.  Or hell, get a Google Street View camera car, and just drive it around really slowly, with signs all over the car saying "you are being filmed!"

It would be an easy job for the security firm, so they wouldn't have to be paid much.  That way, we could FILL the streets with "police presence", deterring crime, without using actual beat cops that have a tendency to harass and antagonize the community, and have a difficult time differentiating between criminals and citizens.

I like this idea.
 
2014-05-10 03:57:06 PM
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Whoever designed ED-209 knocked it out of the park.

It needed a role in the 1977 Star Wars (or something better), not in RoboCop.

What a waste of awesome.
 
2014-05-10 04:03:34 PM
Just to give the gun grabbers a hard on...
mojtv.hr
 
2014-05-10 04:03:44 PM
img.fark.netSecurity patrol confronts a vandal
 
2014-05-10 04:07:25 PM

Hrist: This is the start of a long term plan to push for the privatization of law enforcement and the military.  The goal is to have a couple of people out there to show that private companies can be slightly helpful at first, then when people get used to the help you hit them with the low low introductory rate.

Pretty soon the same people that privatized the jails are the police too.  Sorry man, gotta make my jail time quota.  Get in the car.  Nothing personal.



But on the plus side, once the military is privatized, they can unionize. "But we are fighting a war here!" "I'm sorry, but our contract is up for re-negotiation."
 
2014-05-10 04:13:23 PM
Maybe he had a nasty reputation as a cruel dude?
 
2014-05-10 04:14:14 PM
Well, that was the wrong thread. ;p
 
2014-05-10 04:24:38 PM

capn' fun: ElLoco: The more you eat the more you fart: CruJones: They aren't even armed, how can anyone have a problem with this

Do they have arrest authority?

Pretty much everyone in the US has arrest authority. The catch is that it can't be preemptive as a non-LEO. A crime has to have already been committed.

A "citizen's arrest" is a creature of common law. There is no statute which empowers one citizen to arrest another. All the term means is that if you restrain someone to interrupt an ongoing crime, you have common law defenses against a civil suit for battery. You can still be charged with a crime as well, depending on whether you went Tackleberry, half-Zimmerman, or full Zimmerman. I would strongly urge you to never, ever intervene in a crime unless it was a genuine life or death situation ("potential" life or death doesn't count). And don't expect to be congratulated for your daring-do, either; if you want to see a seasoned cop or a District Attorney grind his/her teeth and roll their eyes, ask them about their favorite citizen's arrest case.


Might want to read up on your assumptions. It says right there in the first sentence "Most states have codified the common law rule"
 
2014-05-10 04:24:48 PM
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"Trust me guys!  We're the neighborhood watch, what could go wrong?!"
 
2014-05-10 04:27:08 PM

ReverendJasen: [blogs.lawyers.com image 300x300]
"Trust me guys!  We're the neighborhood watch, what could go wrong?!"


The hoodie wearing punk isn't running around causing trouble anymore.
 
2014-05-10 04:31:59 PM
Less cracked skulls probably
 
2014-05-10 04:33:05 PM

jehovahs witness protection: ReverendJasen: [blogs.lawyers.com image 300x300]
"Trust me guys!  We're the neighborhood watch, what could go wrong?!"

The hoodie wearing punk isn't running around causing trouble anymore.


Damn straight.  One more ni*bong* off the streets, amirite?
 
2014-05-10 04:34:33 PM

charlesmartel11235: InterruptingQuirk: [scifimafia.com image 560x282]

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/cept it wouldn't be targeting white guys in suits


Amazing how someone whose torso and legs are riddled with bullets still has the strength and coordination to jump up and backwards onto the conference table like that.
 
2014-05-10 04:45:43 PM

dopekitty74: Fark like a Barsoomian: Private police companies have a much higher rate of "customer satisfaction" and a much lower rate of abuse complaints.

Which is why police departments and FOP work hard to make sure you don't know that.

I don't want FOP, I'm a Dapper Dan man


Csn find you anywhere on account of the smell of that pomade.
 
2014-05-10 05:07:53 PM

ReverendJasen: [blogs.lawyers.com image 300x300]
"Trust me guys!  We're the neighborhood watch, what could go wrong?!"


I was honestly expecting the Zim-Zam to be higher up in the thread...
 
2014-05-10 05:09:18 PM
Despite what you read on Wikipedia, I would still caution anyone from "arresting" someone unless they are a sworn officer of the law. Unless you clearly understand the 4th Amendment, the doctrine of probable cause, know the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor in your jurisdiction, whether the statute means "detain until the cops arrive" versus actual arrest, or if there is no statute at all, as in NC. The public policy behind such statutes and the common law is to permit someone who has a crime occur right in front of them to act without fear of being arrested or sued. But those protections are narrow and specific so as not to empower vigilantes or amateurs. If you know a lawyer or someone with access to Westlaw or Lexis Nexus, just a few minutes of research will show you how easily a citizen's arrest can blow up in your face.
 
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