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(Telegraph)   "For the foreseeable future, your smartphone battery won't last longer than a day. Stop whining and deal with it"   (blogs.telegraph.co.uk) divider line 72
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2014-05-10 03:30:24 PM  
What happened to those Methanol powered mini fuel cells they were yapping about a couple years ago? Supposedly you could just keep a little fuel tank filled on your cell/laptop/etc. and keep running indefinitely...

/initial pylon
 
2014-05-10 03:30:56 PM  
My sister keeps two batteries on her at all times it seems...
 
2014-05-10 03:38:10 PM  
My disposable $10 Verizon phones last for several days.  Not everyone needs a quad core CPU in their pocket to view lol cat pictures while riding the bus.
 
2014-05-10 03:39:42 PM  
My GS3 battery isn't holding a charge as long as it used to. Now I'm only getting 3 days out of it.
 
2014-05-10 03:41:28 PM  
I heard a story that the reason handset manufacturers opted for non-removable batteries was to stop people from getting cheap Chinese knockoff batteries for phones.
 
2014-05-10 03:50:00 PM  
That's fine. All I need is one day.
schmoesknow.com
 
2014-05-10 03:56:58 PM  

Altair: My disposable $10 Verizon phones last for several days.  Not everyone needs a quad core CPU in their pocket to view lol cat pictures while riding the bus.


B-b-but benchmarks!

/Where is our resident iShill, anyways?
 
2014-05-10 04:04:35 PM  
I have a Galaxy S4, and so far the battery is fine.  If I use it a lot in a day, yeah, it'll die.  But for normal use like phone calls and the occasional internet/Facebook surfing while on the toilet, it only goes down about half way.  Then, I am pretty good about keeping background apps from running.  At any given time, only Chrome and Facebook are active in memory, because after I'm done using an app I usually kill it not long after.
 
2014-05-10 04:07:49 PM  
GS4 here, i charge once every 3 days or so.  WIFI, GPS and Bluetooth on all the time.    However, everywhere I go, I join a WIFI network.  never use cellular data.
 
2014-05-10 04:09:38 PM  

Jurodan: My sister keeps two batteries on her at all times it seems...


There may be something she is not telling you about why she keeps those batteries on her.....
 
2014-05-10 04:12:45 PM  
What the fark? My Lg Flex lasts for 2 and a half days sometimes 3.

No BS. It's the best phone I have ever used.

I can listen to podcasts or music all day for over 2 days without having to charge it. The only bad thing about this is the fact that it can be confusing when I should charge it because it last so long.
 
2014-05-10 04:16:53 PM  
I just got home, I have been out most of the morning calling and texting.... I still have a FULL charge.

I work my LG. If I was only using it at a mediocre rate, It would last over a week.
 
2014-05-10 04:19:57 PM  
I suspect a lot of folks with shiatty battery complaints comes from a lot of background crap running and constantly searching for connections etc. Don't turn on your wi-fi unless you intend to connect to a network. If you don't need Facebook pushing every frikkin' game request etc. shut it off and it will save a lot of your battery. Same goes for GPS. I don't need the GPS on at home. If I do, I have bigger problems than a battery.
 
2014-05-10 04:24:51 PM  

mark12A: What happened to those Methanol powered mini fuel cells they were yapping about a couple years ago? Supposedly you could just keep a little fuel tank filled on your cell/laptop/etc. and keep running indefinitely...

/initial pylon


A couple years ago? How about over 10 years ago. I did a science report in High School over them. They were supposed to be in everything by now.
 
2014-05-10 04:29:17 PM  
My Moto X regularly lasts 3 days per charge.  Granted, it's just on standby 95% of the time; I use it mostly as "just" a phone.
 
2014-05-10 04:45:29 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I suspect a lot of folks with shiatty battery complaints comes from a lot of background crap running and constantly searching for connections etc. Don't turn on your wi-fi unless you intend to connect to a network. If you don't need Facebook pushing every frikkin' game request etc. shut it off and it will save a lot of your battery. Same goes for GPS. I don't need the GPS on at home. If I do, I have bigger problems than a battery.


In other words - you own a phone based on Android.
 
2014-05-10 04:56:24 PM  
I spoke with a guy not long ago who is an executive in a semiconductor company.  One of their prototype products is III-V solar panels for cell phones.  Their market research is that Americans won't buy them-- III-V is expensive, and Americans expect phones for (nearly) free, even though they'll shell out massive outlays per month.  In Korea and Japan, the attitude is that the cell phone is one of their most important possessions, so dropping several hundred extra dollars for added functionality makes sense.  That's where they're going to market first.

The PV panel doesn't add much juice-- it's maybe 3/4 of the back of the phone, under the coating, so there's only so many photons available, even if your phone is face down at noon. But if you eat lunch outdoors, you're walking outdoors, etc. there are a lot of opportunities to grab a little extra charge time.  Even room lighting probably buys you a minute or two of extra use if you leave your phone out during a one-hour meeting.
 
2014-05-10 05:26:38 PM  
I don't really see the problem. At the end of the day, I just plug my phone up before I go to bed and it is ready to go the next day. It's such a habit for me that NOT charging it every day would throw me off and leave me without a charge because going 4-6 days would throw off the regular routine, like when my Kindle winds up being out of juice when I want to read because I charge it once a month or so.

I also don't see why people biatch about the batteries being sealed in most phones these days, either. In the rare cases when I really need extra charge, I've got an external battery pack that has 10,000 mAh worth of charge that costs about what a second battery cost me back in the day.
 
2014-05-10 05:29:21 PM  
My note 3 gets used like a 3 dollar hooker on Friday with the fleet in town and makes it a day and then some. If I am particularly rough on it, I can pop in a spare and keep on going.
 
2014-05-10 05:36:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I don't really see the problem. At the end of the day, I just plug my phone up before I go to bed and it is ready to go the next day. It's such a habit for me that NOT charging it every day would throw me off and leave me without a charge because going 4-6 days would throw off the regular routine, like when my Kindle winds up being out of juice when I want to read because I charge it once a month or so.

I also don't see why people biatch about the batteries being sealed in most phones these days, either. In the rare cases when I really need extra charge, I've got an external battery pack that has 10,000 mAh worth of charge that costs about what a second battery cost me back in the day.


Time, it takes time to charge the battery. I pop in a battery and I am back to full. Takes about 3 minutes.
 
2014-05-10 05:45:07 PM  
Oh rly?

upix.me

My HTC One M8 disagrees.

20% battery left after 48 hours 30 minutes. And that's in normal mode, not power saver, and using it for calls, surfing, email, camera etc with wifi and data both on.
 
2014-05-10 05:58:02 PM  

SpdrJay: Jurodan: My sister keeps two batteries on her at all times it seems...

There may be something she is not telling you about why she keeps those batteries on her.....


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2014-05-10 06:12:47 PM  
Samsung Rugby, carry spare battery and even have a Solio phone charger for when I head int he back country.
 
2014-05-10 06:29:38 PM  
I put it on the charger when I go to bed.  Doesn't need to last more than one day.
 
2014-05-10 06:44:13 PM  
Switch off your phone when you're not using it. Saves battery power beautifully.
 
2014-05-10 06:53:19 PM  
The article says the problem is that the 24 month upgrade cycle is a fact, and people do not accept it.

Quite frankly, then it is time to end the 24 month upgrade cycle, and to end the careers of everyone who supports it, and that includes reporters who support it.

A parent cannot live with a battery that runs out before 24 hours are up. It is logistically impossible. Parents have a vested interested in ending the careers of whoever perpetuates this low battery life. It is enough of a danger - not inconvenience, but danger - that non-parents who support the short battery life need to be steamrolled in courts and legislatures.
 
2014-05-10 07:00:47 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: A parent cannot live with a battery that runs out before 24 hours are up. It is logistically impossible. Parents have a vested interested in ending the careers of whoever perpetuates this low battery life. It is enough of a danger - not inconvenience, but danger - that non-parents who support the short battery life need to be steamrolled in courts and legislatures.


What parent spends more than 24 hours away from an outlet and still needs to use the phone? Sure, camping can take you away from power but you turn the phone off for that and it somehow last far more than 24 hours. I've almost always got an outlet within arm's reach, even in the car, where I've got a charger.
 
2014-05-10 07:15:30 PM  
Why don't they just make a fatter phone for people who want longer battery life? Not everyone needs the most paper-thin phone in the world.

It's really more pretentious douche-bags that care about that sort of thing. So only MOST people.
 
2014-05-10 07:16:24 PM  
Outlet at my workstation.
Charger in my car.
Outlets at my house.
Reality is I have no idea how long my phone may last, I'm pretty much always near a charger.
 
2014-05-10 07:21:19 PM  
I'm looking forward to super capacitors maturing.  Anyone that has gone to a tech conference like VMWorld would LOVE a 24hr use time.  With so many people trying to check their mail, you can watch your battery percentage fall.  Super caps will give you a full charge in just a few minutes.
 
2014-05-10 07:27:57 PM  
My iphone 5s runs for about 5 hours if im using it heavily.  And then its dead.  I keep near chargers all the time, one at work, one at home, and one in the car.  For other times I have an external 14,000 mah battery.

I keep seeing new battery technology announce and then not go anywhere.  when will these things hit the market?
 
2014-05-10 07:38:07 PM  

JRoo: Why don't they just make a fatter phone for people who want longer battery life? Not everyone needs the most paper-thin phone in the world.


That's an option for many phones with replaceable batteries.
 
2014-05-10 07:51:10 PM  

Greywar: My iphone 5s runs for about 5 hours if im using it heavily.  And then its dead.  I keep near chargers all the time, one at work, one at home, and one in the car.  For other times I have an external 14,000 mah battery.

I keep seeing new battery technology announce and then not go anywhere.  when will these things hit the market?


The new technology is in your phone. Your battery is so small and lightweight compared to previous batteries yet it powers a decently powerful computer for hours and hours. What are you doing to only get 5 hours out of it?
 
2014-05-10 07:58:00 PM  
It seems not a phone launch goes by without the startled shock that a machine as thin as a pencil and able to give you the entire world's knowledge in your hand doesn't also run on perpetual motion.

Actually, they might have something here...

Not perpetual motion at all, but why not put something similar to the system used on Seiko's Kinetic watches and let the movement of walking around with your phone in your pocket all day help charge it?

I get about a day out of my phone, and since I actually sleep every night, I have plenty of time to charge it, so I'm fine. If I need to, I plug it in while in the car or at work, but for the most part, I get a day's worth, but this could be a cool idea.

Also, anyone who has a phone with a Snapdragon processor should get Battery Guru, if for no other reason, it will give you a warning if it doesn't look like you can make it until the usual time you charge your phone. There are other features, but this one is nice. I've also had it warn me if the estimated charging time was longer than the time before I normally took it off the charger when I leave the house.
 
2014-05-10 08:00:11 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Oh rly?



My HTC One M8 disagrees.

20% battery left after 48 hours 30 minutes. And that's in normal mode, not power saver, and using it for calls, surfing, email, camera etc with wifi and data both on.


Impossible--everyone knows Android batteries only last a few hours because someone somewhere did some benchmarks. Your real-world experience is false, you must be imagining things.
 
2014-05-10 08:09:41 PM  

Mikey1969: Not perpetual motion at all, but why not put something similar to the system used on Seiko's Kinetic watches and let the movement of walking around with your phone in your pocket all day help charge it?


I just googled to see if anyone had come up with something and general motion throughout the day doesn't provide much energy. It is plenty for a watch but not a cellphone.
 
2014-05-10 08:27:23 PM  
I play Ingress.

I'm lucky if my battery lasts 4 hours.
 
2014-05-10 08:27:44 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Mikey1969: Not perpetual motion at all, but why not put something similar to the system used on Seiko's Kinetic watches and let the movement of walking around with your phone in your pocket all day help charge it?

I just googled to see if anyone had come up with something and general motion throughout the day doesn't provide much energy. It is plenty for a watch but not a cellphone.


Interesting... I was thinking the system would be bigger to generate more power, but I wondered if it would be enough. Maybe a couple of
hamsters on a treadmill, then. :-)
 
2014-05-10 08:36:14 PM  
My Droid Razr HD lasts 2-3 days of normal use.  The Maxx version is supposed to last at least half again that.

Yawn.
 
2014-05-10 08:40:16 PM  
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/t9BN6HL.png">

Battery when you need it, slim design when you don't. Best of both worlds.
 
2014-05-10 09:08:40 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: A parent cannot live with a battery that runs out before 24 hours are up. It is logistically impossible.


Not to be all get-off-my-lawn about this, because as a parent I understand.
But it's completely possible to function as a parent without a phone for several hours, even days, at a time.
And our parents never heard of them, unless it was in reference to Star Trek.
 
2014-05-10 09:31:10 PM  
My flip-phone's charge lasts for like a week.

/what?
 
2014-05-10 10:34:40 PM  

Emposter: My Droid Razr HD lasts 2-3 days of normal use.  The Maxx version is supposed to last at least half again that.

Yawn.


This. It's all about the milliamp-hours, biatches. If your iDevice has a 1500 mAh battery, my Maxx's 3300 mAh is going to wipe the floor with it. I can easily do an entire weekend with full radios on a single charge.
 
2014-05-10 10:54:36 PM  
my HTC one Maxx is at 43% after streaming music (then bluetoothing it) for 8 hours today. it's been unplugged since 6am. 

oh, and it's huge and awesome. suck it, iFans.
 
2014-05-10 11:02:14 PM  

Jurodan: My sister keeps two batteries on her at all times it seems...


Those aren't for her phone.
 
Skr
2014-05-10 11:04:21 PM  
I couldn't stand a phone with a nonremovable battery (or pain in the ass warranty killing battery removal.) Even with my Cameras, I enjoy having fully charged spare batteries for long trips. Car chargers only seem to work half of the time.

Saw a while back for the Iphone, there is a   Stun Gun/ Back Up Battery combo. http://www.yellowjacketcase.com/
 
2014-05-10 11:38:35 PM  

ReverendJynxed: My GS3 battery isn't holding a charge as long as it used to. Now I'm only getting 3 days out of it.


How the hell?! My S3 battery lasts about 8 hours with 1 hour of screen time!
 
2014-05-11 12:48:16 AM  

Greywar: My iphone 5s runs for about 5 hours if im using it heavily.  And then its dead.  I keep near chargers all the time, one at work, one at home, and one in the car.  For other times I have an external 14,000 mah battery.

I keep seeing new battery technology announce and then not go anywhere.  when will these things hit the market?


New battery tech in iPhones is used to make them thinner...if you want better battery life, I'd suggest not getting an iphone the next go around.

I know someone who just loves "it just works" iPhone and its sleekness....but then carries around three mofi external battery packs to keep it going.
 
2014-05-11 01:13:24 AM  

Duane Dibbley: Switch off your phone when you're not using it. Saves battery power beautifully.


Putting the phone into Airplane Mode (or whatever they call it) is also a good idea.  Basically, that just shuts off all the radios.  My HTC Thunderbolt will hardly use any of the battery at all for an entire day in this sate, and switching out of it is a lot quicker than waiting for the phone to boot.  This especially saves juice if you're roaming or just far away from the nearest tower.
 
2014-05-11 02:31:46 AM  

godwin5: I heard a story that the reason handset manufacturers opted for non-removable batteries was to stop people from getting cheap Chinese knockoff batteries for phones.


It's because when you make a removable battery you waste space putting a consumer-safe casing on it, and the contact points are a place where energy is lost.

When you hard wire the battery you can make it bigger for its size.
 
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