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2014-05-10 12:38:50 AM
Legalize it! Oh wait, it is.

"It's a private event, on private property," Bond told 7NEWS.

"Public means open to the public," Martinez said. "In a place where people can view other people, conducting, in this case the consumption of marijuana, which is prohibited."


WTF??? It's a private event on private property. This guy says if you can view other people you're in public? Using his definition a private party in a private residence is a public place.
 
2014-05-10 12:53:43 AM
local laws granted for adult possession and consumption does not extend to smoking 'openly and publicly or in a manner that endangers others.'"

Now I'm just trying to imagine how you could accomplish that.
 
2014-05-10 12:58:10 AM
I get that the city is trying to be very careful about marijuana right now, but I think they overreacted here.  It sounded like a very cool event, and from what I had read on it previously, the space they were going to hold it in had an enclosed outdoor patio area that would have been the smoking area.  It's not like they were encouraging people to light up while in their seats listening to the concert.
 
2014-05-10 01:14:21 AM
I think that the symphony just went a bit too far with their advertising.

The unspoken rule, here in Colorado before it was legalized, was that it's cool to smoke out at pretty much any concert or private party or anywhere really, as long as you don't advertise it too much and just try to be considerate to the people around you.

I think that rule still kind of applies.
 
2014-05-10 02:43:15 AM
The idiocy of the reefer madness crowd seeps through again, this time through city government.
 
2014-05-10 02:55:50 AM
On the one hand, this isn't entirely unreasonable, at least not if you accept the way that tobacco smoking bans typically work and how "public venue" is usually interpreted.

On the other hand, good luck enforcing that one at concert halls, since I've never seen a concert where people weren't smoking pot openly outside of small enclosed shiat like bars where it'd be a bad plan.
 
2014-05-10 03:01:17 AM

fusillade762: local laws granted for adult possession and consumption does not extend to smoking 'openly and publicly or in a manner that endangers others.'"

Now I'm just trying to imagine how you could accomplish that.


tokesignals.com

Am I doing it right?
 
2014-05-10 03:08:06 AM
Saw Gary Newman at the Go this theater about a month ago. Saw people lighting up in a rather conservative manner,(one hitter and such).No one tried to stop them although the smokers were easily identifiable. The cops don't want any trouble from potheads who attend a symphony, don't start none,won't be none.
 
2014-05-10 03:10:56 AM
images.starpulse.com

/was drunk in private
//they  threw me into public
 
2014-05-10 03:20:22 AM
This is Colorado. The general attitude toward pot here is a little different from that in most places. If the city were to crack down on the orchestra there would be significant public outcry. I'm not sure if it would be enough to alter the decision, but the public would be pissed.

I agree with the people mentioning the unwritten rules about not advertising when you're smoking weed at a concert.

The whole state isn't like that, but Denver is.
 
2014-05-10 03:20:25 AM
FTA: "The symphony's Kern responded with a statement saying, "As a responsible and civic-minded organization, the Colorado Symphony take the issues raised by the City of Denver very seriously. We're reviewing the issues with our legal team. When the Colorado Symphony accepted support from the legal cannabis industry -- as a means of supporting our financial operations and connecting with a culturally diverse audience -- we believed we did so in full compliance with the law. We're confident that any questions can be resolved quickly. We will issue a more detailed response after a thorough internal review." "

I support what they're doing but throwing some BS like that in there is a bit lame.
 
2014-05-10 03:28:10 AM

Walker: Legalize it! Oh wait, it is.

"It's a private event, on private property," Bond told 7NEWS.

"Public means open to the public," Martinez said. "In a place where people can view other people, conducting, in this case the consumption of marijuana, which is prohibited."

WTF??? It's a private event on private property. This guy says if you can view other people you're in public? Using his definition a private party in a private residence is a public place.


 A signed statement of informed consent to participate in an event in which cannabis might be consumed does not negate the City's responsibility to protect adults from seeing other adults use cannabis.
 
2014-05-10 03:34:57 AM

fusillade762: local laws granted for adult possession and consumption does not extend to smoking 'openly and publicly or in a manner that endangers others.'"

Now I'm just trying to imagine how you could accomplish that.


Lighting up in a car and affecting the driver?
Maybe they were concerned that people driving later would be affected?


I think the reality though was don't go overboard with advertising any socially 'questionable' behavior.

I think the same would happen if having a swingers club in a locale that allows such a thing and then trying to advertise it blantly.

The powers that be will find an excuse to shut you down.


/yay society!!
 
2014-05-10 03:39:41 AM
Dude, Gustav Holst's The Planets suite would be freaking awesome to listen to stoned...
 
2014-05-10 04:05:05 AM

That Guy...From That Show!: FTA: "The symphony's Kern responded with a statement saying, "As a responsible and civic-minded organization, the Colorado Symphony take the issues raised by the City of Denver very seriously. We're reviewing the issues with our legal team. When the Colorado Symphony accepted support from the legal cannabis industry -- as a means of supporting our financial operations and connecting with a culturally diverse audience -- we believed we did so in full compliance with the law. We're confident that any questions can be resolved quickly. We will issue a more detailed response after a thorough internal review." "

I support what they're doing but throwing some BS like that in there is a bit lame.


What's BS about that?
 
2014-05-10 04:32:35 AM
I remember going to Amsterdam and being shocked to realize that you could drink openly and smoke openly in public parks. I was young and had never been outside of the US (except Canada and Mexico for brief day trips).

In some other countries, they don't treat using drugs as a shameful display. Maybe we can try that here - start with cannabis coffee shops, maybe, like in Amsterdam, places where people can smoke openly and together. Then maybe allow it in some public parks, at least within some areas. Maybe people would get used to it. Then we could start selling beer in public parks like in Germany.

Alas, the current trend is the opposite - smoking even cigarettes is illegal in public parks. Of course, dumb laws promote lawbreaking, and frankly the cops are unlikely to bust you for a beer on the beach or a cigarette, but the law is there.
 
2014-05-10 04:55:52 AM
F off, city of Denver, this expansion of the term "public" to mean private places that are viewable by the public effectively would make peoples homes public if they didn't have the curtains drawn... this interpretation of law is totally unsustainable with any reasonable standard.
 
2014-05-10 04:55:54 AM
Ed-i-bles
 
2014-05-10 05:02:59 AM
Loucks reminded Kern that the symphony's contract with the city to use Boettcher Concert Hall "requires compliance with all laws, expressly including federal law.

I wouldn't think either side really wants to have a dispute that would bring the feds into it.
 
2014-05-10 05:10:35 AM
I worked concert security at the last Grateful Dead show in Denver before Jerry Garcia died.

McNichols Arena was filled with a purple haze. By the end of the night, I had an incredible contact high.

Talk about a miracle: See the Grateful Dead. Get high for free. Profit.

I miss working concerts & events!!

/CSS
//Can't wait to visit my family in Denver this summer!!
 
2014-05-10 05:26:19 AM
Move the venue outside the city.

Change the name of the event to 'The Colorado Symphony Orchestra's bring your own pot-luck dinner concert series'.

Make sure everyone knows it's the exact same event but with a different name and now with free munchies!
 
2014-05-10 06:19:22 AM

fusillade762: local laws granted for adult possession and consumption does not extend to smoking 'openly and publicly or in a manner that endangers others.'"

Now I'm just trying to imagine how you could accomplish that.


Way #1: Smoking with a serial killer.
i1.ytimg.com

Way #2: Being smoked.
bodycount.dvd-forum.at
 
2014-05-10 06:22:13 AM

Iczer: Dude, Gustav Holst's The Planets suite would be freaking awesome to listen to stoned...


not Mars.... that might harsh your buzz.... to war-like and ominous.... but the others, yeah.
 
2014-05-10 06:24:03 AM

adamatari: I remember going to Amsterdam and being shocked to realize that you could drink openly and smoke openly in public parks. I was young and had never been outside of the US (except Canada and Mexico for brief day trips).

In some other countries, they don't treat using drugs as a shameful display. Maybe we can try that here - start with cannabis coffee shops, maybe, like in Amsterdam, places where people can smoke openly and together. Then maybe allow it in some public parks, at least within some areas. Maybe people would get used to it. Then we could start selling beer in public parks like in Germany.

Alas, the current trend is the opposite - smoking even cigarettes is illegal in public parks. Of course, dumb laws promote lawbreaking, and frankly the cops are unlikely to bust you for a beer on the beach or a cigarette, but the law is there.


www.endtimepilgrim.org
That's what happens when these people form a country.
 
2014-05-10 06:25:20 AM

firefly212: F off, city of Denver, this expansion of the term "public" to mean private places that are viewable by the public effectively would make peoples homes public if they didn't have the curtains drawn... this interpretation of law is totally unsustainable with any reasonable standard.


This is pretty much the argument that restaurant, bar and cigar bar owners tried to make when the anti-smoking crowd was getting the anti-smoking laws passed.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-05-10 06:45:36 AM
If they have
1. advertised the event to the general public in any way, newspaper, radio, etc, (And since this is described as "highly publicized", literally lol, it would appear they have.)  and 2. any member of the public can attend (for example it's not a family event) then it is a public event.   There's a bazillion years of legal precedent for this. That's the way it works for any organization or club that brings in revenue, even on private property.    No marijuana persecution, sorry stoners.

If they had texted 250 close friends and said "Pssst.  The big party next weekend.  My personal invitees only.  PLEASE don't tell anyone else."  Then they could argue it was legally a private event.
 
2014-05-10 06:52:25 AM

Mr. Right: This is pretty much the argument that restaurant, bar and cigar bar owners tried to make when the anti-smoking crowd was getting the anti-smoking laws passed.  Good luck with that.


BINGO!!!!
 
2014-05-10 07:17:47 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mr. Right: This is pretty much the argument that restaurant, bar and cigar bar owners tried to make when the anti-smoking crowd was getting the anti-smoking laws passed.  Good luck with that.

BINGO!!!!


you can't just call bingo and not tell us what numbers you got.... I mean we do have to verify your win you know.
 
2014-05-10 07:23:28 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: you can't just call bingo and not tell us what numbers you got.... I mean we do have to verify your win you know.


12?  Wait no....oh, yeah 12.  It's definitely 12.

/oh and I want to apologize for misspelling brazilian above.  Stupid newbie mistake.
 
2014-05-10 07:30:52 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: HindiDiscoMonster: you can't just call bingo and not tell us what numbers you got.... I mean we do have to verify your win you know.

12?  Wait no....oh, yeah 12.  It's definitely 12.

/oh and I want to apologize for misspelling brazilian above.  Stupid newbie mistake.


www.casinotimes.co.uk
 
2014-05-10 07:37:56 AM
I have been waiting for the marijuana legislation to hit the anti-smoking legislation.

People seem to think that "legal weed" means you can just light up anywhere. HA HA!
 
2014-05-10 07:51:23 AM

ModernLuddite: I have been waiting for the marijuana legislation to hit the anti-smoking legislation.

People seem to think that "legal weed" means you can just light up anywhere. HA HA!


actually, no they don't... it's written right into the law... only consumable (legally) in the privacy of private property.
 
2014-05-10 07:57:14 AM
Pot, the drug that makes stupid people more stupid.
 
2014-05-10 08:26:29 AM
Pot Luck?
 
2014-05-10 10:16:55 AM

bphlater: Pot, the drug that makes stupid people more stupid.


And smarter people smarter
 
2014-05-10 10:30:00 AM

adamatari: Alas, the current trend is the opposite - smoking even cigarettes is illegal in public parks. Of course, dumb laws promote lawbreaking, and frankly the cops are unlikely to bust you for a beer on the beach or a cigarette, but the law is there.


Kansas City FTW. You can buy alcohol at the Zoo on the weekend and certain events on weekdays. And the mixed drink I got wasn't one of those weak watered down pansy drinks you get at most festivals and concerts and stuff. It was stout. I dunno if you were supposed to technically carry the drinks around the zoo but everyone else was and none of the employees said anything, so I didn't question it.

Makes the screaming kids much more tolerable....

There's also certain areas downtown you can carry around open containers in public.

Missouri is weird.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Missouri

Eh I guess it makes living her tolerable. :p

Actually I like living here despite some of the down sides (religious fundies...blah...but overall people mind their own business). Down sides pretty much everywhere though *shrug*. If you're into wilderness, pristine water, hiking, boating, etc. along with low cost of living it's pretty good. There are other places with the former, but usually not along with the latter.

I do find it stupid that our laws on weed, or any drugs, are strict despite such lax alcohol laws. God forbid someone smoke a joint and potentially corrupt a child before they get their first taste of meth....
 
2014-05-10 10:35:29 AM

ModernLuddite: I have been waiting for the marijuana legislation to hit the anti-smoking legislation.

People seem to think that "legal weed" means you can just light up anywhere. HA HA!


I am patiently waiting for the medical marijuana to be covered by insurance.
The butthurt will be of Biblical Proportions.

/hobby lobby is a role model, HaHa
 
2014-05-10 01:57:38 PM

jtown: [images.starpulse.com image 440x662]

/was drunk in private
//they  threw me into public


Love that story of his.

Why didn't they just treat this like they do when they have like $1 beer nights at sporting events......just have cops sitting all around the area and pull over tons of people and write tons of tickets......revenue and quota for the win.
 
2014-05-10 07:28:19 PM

That Guy...From That Show!: FTA: "The symphony's Kern responded with a statement saying, "As a responsible and civic-minded organization, the Colorado Symphony take the issues raised by the City of Denver very seriously. We're reviewing the issues with our legal team. When the Colorado Symphony accepted support from the legal cannabis industry -- as a means of supporting our financial operations and connecting with a culturally diverse audience -- we believed we did so in full compliance with the law. We're confident that any questions can be resolved quickly. We will issue a more detailed response after a thorough internal review." "

I support what they're doing but throwing some BS like that in there is a bit lame.


They believed these concerts would appeal to a younger audience, which they desperately need to survive. I don't see why it's a BS statement.

I like the shows they've done with Devotchka at Red Rocks. I hope they do it again this summer.
 
2014-05-10 08:25:27 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Iczer: Dude, Gustav Holst's The Planets suite would be freaking awesome to listen to stoned...

not Mars.... that might harsh your buzz.... to war-like and ominous.... but the others, yeah.


Some impressionistic stuff would be cool.   Debussy's La Mer, Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy, and for some variety perhaps Ives' Symphony No. 2.
 
2014-05-10 09:49:48 PM
Living here, I have to be amazed at how the Gov't took a simple idea like legalizing weed and turn it into such a total cluster job.  Seriously, I'm starting to think that we were better off when it was still illegal, at least we did not have to deal with the 24/7 pants-wetter coverage of "Marijuana in Colorado!  OMG!  LOOK at where someone smoked a joint!", it's going on everywhere and it's as if we are supposed to take it seriously.

We did not vote for the derpfest it's become.  I hold out hope for national legalization to drop the level of silliness but pants-wetting is a lifestyle/job for a lot of these people and it's hard to adjust when your industry undergoes radical sudden changes.  But you know, the out of work Turnkeys, Jailers, Cops, Lawyers, and Rehab Center people should just be bootstrappy like they tell everyone else, get some retraining so that they can become useful members of society.  The world needs ditch diggers and septic tank pumpers and it's an appropriate lateral move for most of them, who feel drug users are human garbage already.

Praise Jah that some common sense is ascendant in this nation.  Wish there was a lot more, but I'll take what little victories are offered, Jah knows they are few and far between.
 
2014-05-10 10:03:35 PM

bmwericus: Living here, I have to be amazed at how the Gov't took a simple idea like legalizing weed and turn it into such a total cluster job.  Seriously, I'm starting to think that we were better off when it was still illegal, at least we did not have to deal with the 24/7 pants-wetter coverage of "Marijuana in Colorado!  OMG!  LOOK at where someone smoked a joint!", it's going on everywhere and it's as if we are supposed to take it seriously.

We did not vote for the derpfest it's become.  I hold out hope for national legalization to drop the level of silliness but pants-wetting is a lifestyle/job for a lot of these people and it's hard to adjust when your industry undergoes radical sudden changes.  But you know, the out of work Turnkeys, Jailers, Cops, Lawyers, and Rehab Center people should just be bootstrappy like they tell everyone else, get some retraining so that they can become useful members of society.  The world needs ditch diggers and septic tank pumpers and it's an appropriate lateral move for most of them, who feel drug users are human garbage already.

Praise Jah that some common sense is ascendant in this nation.  Wish there was a lot more, but I'll take what little victories are offered, Jah knows they are few and far between.


The thing that gets me is that there's no need for anyone in the justice system to lose their job or have their budget reduced because of legalized marijuana - just focus on actual crimes that hurt people instead.  Actually investigate when someone has their car broken into, bike stolen, or property vandalized.  Spend the time and money investigating and solving the crimes that harm quality of life.

For the DEA, get on top of the meth epidemic.  Meth heads cause problems for society, potheads don't.
 
2014-05-11 01:13:38 PM
TuteTibiImperes:
The thing that gets me is that there's no need for anyone in the justice system to lose their job or have their budget reduced because of legalized marijuana - just focus on actual crimes that hurt people instead.  Actually investigate when someone has their car broken into, bike stolen, or property vandalized.  Spend the time and money investigating and solving the crimes that harm quality of life.

For the DEA, get on top of the meth epidemic.  Meth heads cause problems for society, potheads don't.


Investigate crimes?  When they can just bust potheads?  Are you mad?  The cops don't want to WORK for a living, they have gotten fat and happy on civil forfeiture and easy drug busts and related plea deals.  And since most of them are non-violent, 'tis a bonus that they can bust heads easier.

I don't see any problem with less of "The Justice League", with staffing reductions proportional to the drug cases vs. other criminal cases filed.

Meth's big problems in some places, but from my perspective, it's more of an EPA issue and exploding lab issue.

People getting high on Cannabis and listening to a symphony seems about as harmless as it gets.

/Ever notice that an Orchestra
//does not sound like a bunch
///of flying elbows and penguins
 
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