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2014-05-10 12:15:24 AM
 
2014-05-10 12:28:10 AM
He now faces nine more decades in jail; his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father. Jasmine, who has said that his clean life after prison shows that he has already been sufficiently punished, is considering another appeal and has already reached out to an attorney.

Prison sentences don't work that way.  But even given the violent nature of the robberies, and having lived through one myself, I think 98 years is a bit excessive.  20-25 would have been just fine.
 
2014-05-10 12:48:51 AM

Lsherm: He now faces nine more decades in jail; his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father. Jasmine, who has said that his clean life after prison shows that he has already been sufficiently punished, is considering another appeal and has already reached out to an attorney.

Prison sentences don't work that way.  But even given the violent nature of the robberies, and having lived through one myself, I think 98 years is a bit excessive.  20-25 would have been just fine.



GOOD THING that prison is ONLY about punishment, and NEVER about rehabilitation.
THE LAST THING that we need is tax paying, law abiding citizens!
It is much more important that they do their time ... even if it means that when they get out they will return to a life of crime.
WELL, not this guy.
He got a life sentence.

dont do the crime if you cant do the time

/wait - arent we a christian nation? shouldnt a rehabilitated man be forgiven?
 
2014-05-10 12:49:38 AM
He doesn't get time served for being married?


Lsherm: He now faces nine more decades in jail; his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father. Jasmine, who has said that his clean life after prison shows that he has already been sufficiently punished, is considering another appeal and has already reached out to an attorney.

Prison sentences don't work that way.  But even given the violent nature of the robberies, and having lived through one myself, I think 98 years is a bit excessive.  20-25 would have been just fine.


Yeah, I thought that was kinda crazy, too. A lot of murderers get less.
 
2014-05-10 12:55:13 AM
If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.
 
2014-05-10 01:02:07 AM

Lsherm: He now faces nine more decades in jail; his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father. Jasmine, who has said that his clean life after prison shows that he has already been sufficiently punished, is considering another appeal and has already reached out to an attorney.

Prison sentences don't work that way. But even given the violent nature of the robberies, and having lived through one myself, I think 98 years is a bit excessive. 20-25 would have been just fine.


I thought that's how prison sentences were supposed to work. Isn't the (ostensible) goal of prisons to "rehabilitate" convicts until such time as they are fit to rejoin society?

Also, 98 years for two armed robberies seems more than a bit excessive. Rapists and pedophiles get lighter sentences than that all the time, and it sounds like these guys didn't even shoot anyone.
 
2014-05-10 01:09:30 AM

Lukeonia1: I thought that's how prison sentences were supposed to work. Isn't the (ostensible) goal of prisons to "rehabilitate" convicts until such time as they are fit to rejoin society?


namatad: GOOD THING that prison is ONLY about punishment, and NEVER about rehabilitation.


Prison is supposed to be about punishment AND rehabilitation, otherwise it wouldn't be prison, it would be a rehab facility.  You don't just get to announce you're all better and they let you go.  Part of it is losing your freedom because you broke the social contract, and your debt to society is your prison term.

But like I said, 98 years seems a bit excessive.
 
2014-05-10 01:12:29 AM

violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.


Seriously I would be gone...

And the person I feel bad for is his buddy. He is the one that has been stuck in jail while his partner was running free on a paperwork mistake. I wonder if anyone is working to get him out as well?

\as for the sentence I would have to assume they had priors.
 
2014-05-10 01:28:26 AM

violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.


THIS. I'd move to Venezuela or Florida.
 
2014-05-10 01:33:31 AM
What's effectively a life sentence for robbing a video store?

In 20 years not only will he have to explain to the new prisoners what he's in for, he'll have to explain the entire concept of the businesses he robbed.
 
2014-05-10 01:52:31 AM

TuteTibiImperes: What's effectively a life sentence for robbing a video store?


I also think 98 years is excessive, but it was more than just robbing a video store.

"convicted in 2000 on multiple robbery, kidnapping and burglary charges in connection with two violent robberies of Aurora video stores when Lima-Marin was 20. In one assault, the pair ordered employees into a back room at gunpoint and another worker to the floor as they demanded money from a safe. "
 
2014-05-10 02:05:27 AM

log_jammin: TuteTibiImperes: What's effectively a life sentence for robbing a video store?

I also think 98 years is excessive, but it was more than just robbing a video store.

"convicted in 2000 on multiple robbery, kidnapping and burglary charges in connection with two violent robberies of Aurora video stores when Lima-Marin was 20. In one assault, the pair ordered employees into a back room at gunpoint and another worker to the floor as they demanded money from a safe. "


Yup, they deserve to do time, but I think 10-15 years would have been sufficient.
 
2014-05-10 02:31:57 AM
I'm conflicted about this but I did LOL at Tute Tibilmperes
 
2014-05-10 02:34:12 AM

Lsherm: He now faces nine more decades in jail; his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father. Jasmine, who has said that his clean life after prison shows that he has already been sufficiently punished, is considering another appeal and has already reached out to an attorney.

Prison sentences don't work that way.  But even given the violent nature of the robberies, and having lived through one myself, I think 98 years is a bit excessive.  20-25 would have been just fine.


What he needs is to be granted clemency or a pardon.
 
2014-05-10 02:39:21 AM
No sir,  I don't like it.

If corrections screws up to the point where they actually let you out the door when you weren't supposed to be then you should be free, period.
 
2014-05-10 02:40:11 AM
Shoulda' thought about that shiat before he held the people at gun point.  Some places if you forcibly keep soeone from leaving somewhere it's considered kidnapping. 

Now, having said that, hopefully he will get a judge that will take all of this into consideration if they decide give him an appeal.
 
2014-05-10 02:40:59 AM
Always casting Cure Light Wounds when they should be casting Turn Undead.  Damn clerics.
 
2014-05-10 02:41:05 AM
Thank god this criminal is back in jail where he belongs.

Truly, the system works.
 
2014-05-10 02:41:38 AM

Boo_Guy: No sir,  I don't like it.

If corrections screws up to the point where they actually let you out the door when you weren't supposed to be then you should be free, period.


You might like it if it was you or one of your friends or loved ones he held up, just sayin'.
 
2014-05-10 02:44:52 AM
Not feeling sad for him even though he didnturn his life around. Unfortunately for him he still had his actual prison term to serve for the crimes he commited. Crimes he commited with the risk that he would be caught and convicted. I feel more sympathy for the victims of his crimes.
 
2014-05-10 02:45:39 AM
As someone who has been a victim of a violent crime part of me says fark him......for the rest of his life. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
 
2014-05-10 02:46:53 AM

violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.


THIS. If I was facing a life sentence and got out on a clerical error I would make a run for a country that doesnt extradite to the US.
 
2014-05-10 02:53:50 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Boo_Guy: No sir,  I don't like it.

If corrections screws up to the point where they actually let you out the door when you weren't supposed to be then you should be free, period.

You might like it if it was you or one of your friends or loved ones he held up, just sayin'.


I'd be pissed at the people who let him out.
 
2014-05-10 02:59:35 AM
"his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father."

Yeah, they should still be around in 9 decades.
 
2014-05-10 03:04:06 AM

zixr: "his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father."

Yeah, they should still be around in 9 decades.


We must develop life extension technologies so that our criminals can be punished to the full extent that they are due.
 
2014-05-10 03:11:31 AM

violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.


Sweet baby Jesus THIS! I would also pick one of the following wonderful countries that do not have a extradition agreement with the USA: (bolded for nice places)

Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan,
Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape
Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Indonesia,
Iran, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar,
Mali, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Philippines, Qatar, Rwanda, Samoa, Sao Tome e Principe,
Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda,
Russia, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, Yemen South,
Zaire & Zimbabwe
 
2014-05-10 03:23:36 AM
Probably want to remove the bold from Bhutan.

http://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/_05/article_3121913.html/

Their new Prime Minister is implementing Sharia Law.
 
2014-05-10 03:24:32 AM
Wait, shiat, that's Brunei.

Nevermind. It's late and I got my countries crossed and couldn't be assed to read my own link. Ignore me.
 
2014-05-10 03:25:22 AM
I can't even muster the effort to say anything witty or attempt something profound. Our justice system sucks. It's designed to punish with absolutely no thought given to turning criminals into productive members of society, and as such very frequently actually gets in the way of accomplishing that.

We treat criminals as irredeemable sub-humans who can never be allowed to fully integrate back into society (unless they can find a way to make a boatload of money, because that will absolve you of pretty much anything) and... Just I don't know. This country is not a fun place to live and the only thing more depressing than contemplating living here for the rest of my life is recognizing that there really isn't much in the way of better alternatives.
 
2014-05-10 03:28:53 AM

ColonelCathcart: violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.

Sweet baby Jesus THIS! I would also pick one of the following wonderful countries that do not have a extradition agreement with the USA: (bolded for nice places)

Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan,
Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape
Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Indonesia,
Iran, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar,
Mali, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Philippines, Qatar, Rwanda, Samoa, Sao Tome e Principe,
Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda,
Russia, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, Yemen South,
Zaire & Zimbabwe


Not that I'd want to go there but you left off Best Korea.

/I think Id take US prison over Best Korea.
 
2014-05-10 03:38:58 AM

Boo_Guy: No sir,  I don't like it.

If corrections screws up to the point where they actually let you out the door when you weren't supposed to be then you should be free, period.


Corrections didn't make an error in this case. The mistake was made by the court.
 
2014-05-10 03:39:41 AM
face it, america is a shiathole.
 
2014-05-10 03:40:59 AM
Yeah I think I must be in the wrong line or something because actually I'm supposed to be getting out.
 
2014-05-10 03:45:29 AM

JerkyMeat: face it, america is a shiathole.


Oh come on now.  America SERIOUSLY has it's problems.  But for the most part you can live a long healthy life.  It's not like we're living in Venezuela, Rwanda, North Korea, or Canada.
 
2014-05-10 04:01:34 AM
It's astonishing that this poor guy gets f*cked three times in a row:

1. He got nearly 100 years for a robbery that, while violent and pretty hard-core, killed no one and was not even  in the top 50 most heinous crimes I've ever heard of;
2. He gets to go BACK TO PRISON because the prison system is like "Yep, we screwed up, and even though you've shown that 8 years was a pretty good sentence and you did it and have turned your life around like prison is supposed to do--nevermind, back to the slammer AND
3. Finish off your entire sentence without any consideration for being a good citizen (raising kids, having a job, paying your taxes) because we gotta keep those t's dotted and those i's crossed.

Otherwise, other criminals might get the idea that by getting out of prison and rehabilitating themselves they could stay out forever, and we can't be having that.
 
2014-05-10 04:16:51 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Shoulda' thought about that shiat before he held the people at gun point.  Some places if you forcibly keep soeone from leaving somewhere it's considered kidnapping. 

Now, having said that, hopefully he will get a judge that will take all of this into consideration if they decide give him an appeal.


Yeah, like in this case for example. Read the article, THEN comment.
 
2014-05-10 04:24:54 AM
Kind of a raw deal, first off his sentence is way too much for his crimes.

secondly part of me thinks that once you let some one out of prison on parole  in error and so long as they do not violate the terms of their parole that they cannot be put back in for the crime they already served time for, a form of double jeopardy if you will.

I know it does not work that way but i swear this county need to make bankers and pencil pushers more liable for their errors.
 
2014-05-10 04:26:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: It's astonishing that this poor guy gets f*cked three times in a row:

1. He got nearly 100 years for a robbery that, while violent and pretty hard-core, killed no one and was not even  in the top 50 most heinous crimes I've ever heard of;
2. He gets to go BACK TO PRISON because the prison system is like "Yep, we screwed up, and even though you've shown that 8 years was a pretty good sentence and you did it and have turned your life around like prison is supposed to do--nevermind, back to the slammer AND
3. Finish off your entire sentence without any consideration for being a good citizen (raising kids, having a job, paying your taxes) because we gotta keep those t's dotted and those i's crossed.

Otherwise, other criminals might get the idea that by getting out of prison and rehabilitating themselves they could stay out forever, and we can't be having that.


Shakespeare had the perfect solution.
 
2014-05-10 04:31:52 AM

Gyrfalcon: you did it and have turned your life around like prison is supposed to do--nevermind, back to the slammer AND


Prison has several desired accomplishments:
  - A punitive measure for breaking a law
  - A deterrent from breaking laws
  - Removal of a danger to society
  - Rehabilitating the individual

Unfortunately, no prison system in the entirety of recorded criminal history has shown to have any impact on recidivism rates.  In layman's terms, it means no matter what they tried, they had no impact on the number of people who went out and committed the crime again.

Or in even more simple terms: prisons do not rehabilitate prisoners.  Maybe in the future, but not now.

Why is this important?  If you remove that as an accomplishment, you can look at prisons in a more truthful light.  Suddenly concepts like providing education or work release programs appear obviously flawed.  There's no longer a real need to fund halfway houses or reintegration programs.  There's also a change in the nature of the phrase "paid their debt to society".  It doesn't mean they're better people now, automatically to be treated as law-abiding citizens.  Instead, they must be judged on their own individual merits.

It also means that all the criminals who didn't return to a life of crime - they did it on their own, through their own power.  Those folks - like the guy in the article - should be applauded, and held up as examples of the strength of human spirit to overcome adversity - even if it was initially self-imposed.
 
2014-05-10 04:34:52 AM
Sentence stacking - how a guy who robbed a couple of stores ends up getting sentenced to more time than many killers.
Yay, American justice.
Law and order.
Whoopee.
 
2014-05-10 04:35:38 AM
Look!  The prison system had the (stated) desired effect.  Undo!  Undo!
 
2014-05-10 04:35:45 AM

ColonelCathcart: violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.

Sweet baby Jesus THIS! I would also pick one of the following wonderful countries that do not have a extradition agreement with the USA: (bolded for nice places)

Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan,
Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape
Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Indonesia,
Iran, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar,
Mali, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Philippines, Qatar, Rwanda, Samoa, Sao Tome e Principe,
Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda,
Russia, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, Yemen South,
Zaire & Zimbabwe


Might consider Botswana as well, as long as you're careful about HIV. One of the fastest growing economies in the world, and since indepedence has an unbroken history of democratic representation. English speaking (amoung others) as well.
 
2014-05-10 04:39:26 AM

Delta1212: I can't even muster the effort to say anything witty or attempt something profound. Our justice system sucks. It's designed to punish with absolutely no thought given to turning criminals into productive members of society, and as such very frequently actually gets in the way of accomplishing that.

We treat criminals as irredeemable sub-humans who can never be allowed to fully integrate back into society (unless they can find a way to make a boatload of money, because that will absolve you of pretty much anything) and... Just I don't know. This country is not a fun place to live and the only thing more depressing than contemplating living here for the rest of my life is recognizing that there really isn't much in the way of better alternatives.


Actually it depends on what troubles you. Most. Of the countries of the first world don't have anywhere near the social ills that the US is currently facing.
 
2014-05-10 04:56:37 AM
98 years? For multiple robberies and not murder? Is he black? *click* Yup.
 
2014-05-10 04:58:30 AM

Mike_1962: ColonelCathcart: violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.

Sweet baby Jesus THIS! I would also pick one of the following wonderful countries that do not have a extradition agreement with the USA: (bolded for nice places)

Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan,
Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape
Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Indonesia,
Iran, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar,
Mali, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Philippines, Qatar, Rwanda, Samoa, Sao Tome e Principe,
Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda,
Russia, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, Yemen South,
Zaire & Zimbabwe

Might consider Botswana as well, as long as you're careful about HIV. One of the fastest growing economies in the world, and since indepedence has an unbroken history of democratic representation. English speaking (amoung others) as well.


As a very white person, like as in ginger, the middle east and Africa would probably be bad ideas for me to move to. Looks like Id be hanging with Snowden in Russia if I had to flee the US.
 
2014-05-10 05:11:17 AM

namatad: Lsherm: He now faces nine more decades in jail; his wife and children face nine more decades of living without their husband and father. Jasmine, who has said that his clean life after prison shows that he has already been sufficiently punished, is considering another appeal and has already reached out to an attorney.

Prison sentences don't work that way.  But even given the violent nature of the robberies, and having lived through one myself, I think 98 years is a bit excessive.  20-25 would have been just fine.


GOOD THING that prison is ONLY about punishment, and NEVER about rehabilitation.
THE LAST THING that we need is tax paying, law abiding citizens!
It is much more important that they do their time ... even if it means that when they get out they will return to a life of crime.
WELL, not this guy.
He got a life sentence.

dont do the crime if you cant do the time

/wait - arent we a christian nation? shouldnt a rehabilitated man be forgiven?


Where do you draw the line? I'm all for rehabilitation, but this included kidnapping charges. You can't just walk away from that. Sometimes it is about punishment, or at least keeping criminals off the street. I say let him rot.
 
2014-05-10 05:25:42 AM
A lot of posters are suggesting he should have left the USA, but most countries would not want (nor allow) a man convicted of a violent crime to enter.
 
2014-05-10 06:03:32 AM
The only reason he kept clean was because he knew he'd go back to prison for 90 years. Fear of imprisonment does not equal rehabilitation.
 
2014-05-10 06:03:40 AM

violentsalvation: If I was released by accident from what amounted to a life sentence I'd GTFO the US, I'd get the fark off this continent. I'd skip town like a Nazi in 1945. I'd even abandon my fark handle.


This.
 
2014-05-10 06:13:04 AM

GoldDude: A lot of posters are suggesting he should have left the USA, but most countries would not want (nor allow) a man convicted of a violent crime to enter.


Well obviously you will not be able to do so under your own actual identity.
 
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