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2014-05-09 07:31:30 PM  
You guys think the Koch Brothers are hated? George Pullman was so hated (and rightly so. He made the Koches look like liberals) that when he finally died, he ordered that his casket be

1. Wrapped in tar paper
2. Covered in asphalt
3. Buried in a deeeeeep grave
4. Pour in loads of concrete
5. Cover it all with huge slabs of marble & granite weighing tons

This all wasn't for him to go out like a pharaoh, but because he knew there was a lot of people out there who would have loved to defile his remains
 
2014-05-09 07:39:20 PM  
For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.
 
2014-05-09 07:42:57 PM  
I'll bet they're drinkin' coffee and smokin' big cigars.
 
2014-05-09 08:36:58 PM  
CyberTek goons
 
2014-05-09 08:45:47 PM  
Maybe we can get a train version of Titanic.

/looking for an excuse for more Kate Winslet nudity.
 
2014-05-09 08:46:45 PM  
This is farking awesome.  If I were the idle rich, I'd totally ride the rails in one of these.
 
2014-05-09 08:48:10 PM  

whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.


I live in train country and I've only been on the subway.
 
2014-05-09 08:48:59 PM  
They are trying to perform their ablutions.

i1126.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-09 08:50:33 PM  
Is there a cat car?
 
2014-05-09 08:54:56 PM  
Sorry, not clicking.  Did it ever say how much this is?  I wouldn't be surprised if hitching your own car up is less than expected.

Unfortunately any time I've looked into taking a train it's twice as slow and more expensive.  However one good time is taking the train to New Orleans from Memphis and back.  Sure it's slower, but you can party on the way there and sleep it off on the way back, in a private room (berth?).
 
2014-05-09 08:56:29 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Is there a cat car?


And one that's a teeny tiny roller rink.
 
2014-05-09 08:57:00 PM  

whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.


Used to ride it all the time between Portland and Seattle. Actually considering riding it to San Francisco the next time the Mariners have a series down there.
 
2014-05-09 09:06:04 PM  
Meh,been done.

http://members.tripod.com/nbc_supertr ain/sitebuildercontent/sitebuild e rpictures/supertrain_publicity_01.jpg
 
2014-05-09 09:11:22 PM  

CruJones: Sorry, not clicking.  Did it ever say how much this is?  I wouldn't be surprised if hitching your own car up is less than expected.

Unfortunately any time I've looked into taking a train it's twice as slow and more expensive.  However one good time is taking the train to New Orleans from Memphis and back.  Sure it's slower, but you can party on the way there and sleep it off on the way back, in a private room (berth?).


http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/122/605/Private-Car-Tariff-Rates-Addendu m- 1.pdf

Minimum charge $1,115 for Amtrak to handle your private car.  $2.40 per mile, plus switching and service charges.  And that's after you spent a bunch of money to buy or refurbish a car and bring it up to minimum operating standard.
 
2014-05-09 09:11:26 PM  

whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.



I did the Minneapolis to Chicago and St Louis a couple of times on the Amtrak  as a kid (mom worked for Burlington Northern and it was practically free).

If we had driven the backroads it would have been faster, thanks to all the stops.
 
2014-05-09 09:18:49 PM  
Do they stink of ocelot piss?
 
2014-05-09 09:19:46 PM  

whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.


Going from DC to New York, the train is the only way to go.  Even if it's more expensive, it's worth it to avoid the hassle and save the time of driving or flying.  But, yeah, I don't know about taking it for longer distances.
 
2014-05-09 09:25:06 PM  

TomD9938: whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.


I did the Minneapolis to Chicago and St Louis a couple of times on the Amtrak  as a kid (mom worked for Burlington Northern and it was practically free).

If we had driven the backroads it would have been faster, thanks to all the stops.


Can't speak for those routes, but I did Ann Arbor to Chicago and back a couple of times.

The timing worked beautifully (It only comes twice a day, but one of them is at ~6:00 in both directions, and then shows up at about 1 AM or so), and it was about the same speed as driving with traffic.  Even when we got stuck in Gary both times.  Plus you didn't have to pay for parking.  So if you're just heading to the Loop and immediate surrounds, that's the way to do it.

And then I did NE Corridor (not Acela because it only saved an hour and cost 2x more.  So I got a business class ticket instead, and it was still cheaper) once from Boston to NYC and that was pretty nice.  6 hours door-to-door.

I just couldn't imagine doing anything longer than about 6 hours one-way (because at a certain point "Planes go 550 MPH" beats "TSA sux"), anything that required a transfer, or anything involving suburbs where my final destination wasn't *right* at the train station.
 
2014-05-09 09:31:47 PM  
I'm going with "Rich People"

...in their fancy private train cars?
 
2014-05-09 09:34:34 PM  

Arachnophobe: i1126.photobucket.com


Came here for this or

"Rich people's fox eared asshole pets".
 
2014-05-09 09:36:42 PM  

MFAWG: whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.

Used to ride it all the time between Portland and Seattle. Actually considering riding it to San Francisco the next time the Mariners have a series down there.


I'm about to visit friends in Tacoma so I'm going to take the train from San Francsic (via bus to cross the bay to Emeryville).

IT'S 21 HOURS -- ONE WAY.

I could drive to Topeka, KS in that time.

A seat is cheaper than flying ($125), but a sleeper is $433. A family compartment is $706. A premium bedroom is $854.

In Europe, I can be at London St. Pancras and 30min before departure, and in 2h45m be in Paris Gare du Nord on a train which travels at 186mph for $161 one-way.

I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.
 
2014-05-09 09:39:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: You guys think the Koch Brothers are hated? George Pullman was so hated (and rightly so. He made the Koches look like liberals) that when he finally died, he ordered that his casket be

1. Wrapped in tar paper
2. Covered in asphalt
3. Buried in a deeeeeep grave
4. Pour in loads of concrete
5. Cover it all with huge slabs of marble & granite weighing tons

This all wasn't for him to go out like a pharaoh, but because he knew there was a lot of people out there who would have loved to defile his remains


Well when people feel entitled, they'll do some crazy stupid shiat.
 
2014-05-09 09:40:19 PM  

meyerkev: TomD9938: whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.


I did the Minneapolis to Chicago and St Louis a couple of times on the Amtrak  as a kid (mom worked for Burlington Northern and it was practically free).

If we had driven the backroads it would have been faster, thanks to all the stops.

Can't speak for those routes, but I did Ann Arbor to Chicago and back a couple of times.

The timing worked beautifully (It only comes twice a day, but one of them is at ~6:00 in both directions, and then shows up at about 1 AM or so), and it was about the same speed as driving with traffic.  Even when we got stuck in Gary both times.  Plus you didn't have to pay for parking.  So if you're just heading to the Loop and immediate surrounds, that's the way to do it.

And then I did NE Corridor (not Acela because it only saved an hour and cost 2x more.  So I got a business class ticket instead, and it was still cheaper) once from Boston to NYC and that was pretty nice.  6 hours door-to-door.

I just couldn't imagine doing anything longer than about 6 hours one-way (because at a certain point "Planes go 550 MPH" beats "TSA sux"), anything that required a transfer, or anything involving suburbs where my final destination wasn't *right* at the train station.


I've done Ann Arbor to Chicago a bunch. It's great when it goes flawlessly -- only 30 minutes slower than driving.

However sometimes you get the "four hour delay for no real reason" trip. That's enough to stop using Amtrak at least for a little while.
 
2014-05-09 09:45:05 PM  

lohphat: MFAWG: whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.

Used to ride it all the time between Portland and Seattle. Actually considering riding it to San Francisco the next time the Mariners have a series down there.

I'm about to visit friends in Tacoma so I'm going to take the train from San Francsic (via bus to cross the bay to Emeryville).

IT'S 21 HOURS -- ONE WAY.

I could drive to Topeka, KS in that time.

A seat is cheaper than flying ($125), but a sleeper is $433. A family compartment is $706. A premium bedroom is $854.

In Europe, I can be at London St. Pancras and 30min before departure, and in 2h45m be in Paris Gare du Nord on a train which travels at 186mph for $161 one-way.

I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.


How much would London to Barcelona cost? That's a more comparable distance to SF to Tacoma than Paris is. Closer to the geography, too.
 
2014-05-09 09:50:27 PM  

lohphat: I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.


https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=SFO;t=SEA;q=SFO+to+SEA;d=20 14 -05-26;r=2014-05-30

2 hours each way.  Throw on a couple hours of TSA BS and it's 4.  $400 bucks if you need to leave tomorrow morning, dropping down to about $175 over the next couple of weeks.

London to Paris is 300 miles.   There are no mountains in the way (though admittedly, the Chunnel is one of the marvels of the modern world).

Tacoma to SF is 800 miles.  Of
Willamette Valley and some of the most pretty mountains it has ever been myprivilege to see.  But trains don't do mountains well.  And once you get south of more or less Eugene, there's NOTHING THERE until you hitSacramento.

So yes, the train sucks ass.  Because you're not supposed to take the train.  Because on a per-mile basis, flying is both cheaper AND faster.  And now Seattle's hooked up their downtown to the airport via light rail (As part of what seems to be a halfway decent long-term plan if they can pull it off).  Trains make ZERO sense on that section of the West Coast.  They will never make sense.  Too many mountains, not enough people.

/And then you can say hi to all my coworkers who fly up to Seattle, work a full day, and then fly back 2x a week.  Because it's THAT awesome and easy.
 
2014-05-09 09:51:06 PM  

lohphat: I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.


Moving into the modern world?  It stopped doing that 30 years ago, we're going backward now.

Say hello to Murica's future.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-09 09:54:27 PM  

whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.


That's because the government has subsidized the car industry and the airline industry for the past eighty or so years.  If there were free, government built tracks everywhere there are interstates and airports, you might have ridden in a train.
 
2014-05-09 09:56:30 PM  
What is this the 1890s?  Who the hell travels in a private railroad car these days?
 
2014-05-09 09:56:39 PM  
Babou! He remembers me!
 
2014-05-09 10:03:03 PM  
Headline:  What's Inside America's Most Luxurious Train Cars

Slideshow:  seven photos, five of which are pictures of train cars from the outside.

That plus three paragraphs and some captions.  I figure, give Wired one more year and their articles will just be a link to a Google search and a blank space where you can paste your own text.
 
2014-05-09 10:08:23 PM  
You know who else had thier own private train?

Yes I just Godwined this thread.
 
2014-05-09 10:09:07 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: What is this the 1890s?  Who the hell travels in a private railroad car these days?


Rich farks who don't want to get probed by a TSA goon?

BTW, once upon a time, rich farks had their own private subway platforms.

http://gothamist.com/2011/11/07/photos.php#photo-1
 
2014-05-09 10:09:33 PM  
Remember back when folks were blabbering on about building high speed rail and how American would be able to afford it ???

Hahaha,   Americans are regressing back to bicycles and more handouts from the Government.

Not moving forward now.
 
2014-05-09 10:14:55 PM  

lohphat: MFAWG: whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.

Used to ride it all the time between Portland and Seattle. Actually considering riding it to San Francisco the next time the Mariners have a series down there.

I'm about to visit friends in Tacoma so I'm going to take the train from San Francsic (via bus to cross the bay to Emeryville).

IT'S 21 HOURS -- ONE WAY.

I could drive to Topeka, KS in that time.

A seat is cheaper than flying ($125), but a sleeper is $433. A family compartment is $706. A premium bedroom is $854.

In Europe, I can be at London St. Pancras and 30min before departure, and in 2h45m be in Paris Gare du Nord on a train which travels at 186mph for $161 one-way.

I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.


My daughter and I took the train from Seattle to Palm Springs. We had a good trip and i would not attempt it by bus.
When I hit the numbers I will buy my own railway.
 
2014-05-09 10:15:04 PM  

Xcott: Headline:  What's Inside America's Most Luxurious Train Cars

Slideshow:  seven photos, five of which are pictures of train cars from the outside.

That plus three paragraphs and some captions.  I figure, give Wired one more year and their articles will just be a link to a Google search and a blank space where you can paste your own text.


I'm happy to see someone else was bothered by that.
 
2014-05-09 10:36:55 PM  

Fissile: lohphat: I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.

Moving into the modern world?  It stopped doing that 30 years ago, we're going backward now.

Say hello to Murica's future.


img.fark.net

I'll bet that kid on the left really made something of himself.

He looks like a "glass half full" kind of guy.
 
2014-05-09 10:43:49 PM  

Arachnophobe: They are trying to perform their ablutions.

[i1126.photobucket.com image 850x475]


Came for this, leaving satisfied...
 
2014-05-09 10:47:42 PM  

TomD9938: Fissile: lohphat: I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.

Moving into the modern world?  It stopped doing that 30 years ago, we're going backward now.

Say hello to Murica's future.

[img.fark.net image 567x401]

I'll bet that kid on the left really made something of himself.

He looks like a "glass half full" kind of guy.


Maybe.  Or maybe he just realized that he'd be dead from black-lung in a few months.
 
2014-05-09 10:55:20 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: What is this the 1890s?  Who the hell travels in a private railroad car these days?


Let me guess, you wear seat belts.  How very droll.
 
2014-05-09 11:08:41 PM  

TomD9938: Fissile: lohphat: I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.

Moving into the modern world?  It stopped doing that 30 years ago, we're going backward now.

Say hello to Murica's future.

[img.fark.net image 567x401]

I'll bet that kid on the left really made something of himself.

He looks like a "glass half full" kind of guy.


I dunno, the thousand yard stare just makes his smile look all the more plastered on.
 
2014-05-09 11:15:18 PM  
When you fly, you're travelling in a bus.

In one of these private carriages, you're travelling in a hotel suite, with a restaurant, bed with TV, observation deck for the scenery

And if you're travelling with a dozen friends, it's probably not that extravagant
 
2014-05-09 11:18:25 PM  

mjjt: When you fly, you're travelling in a bus.

In one of these private carriages, you're travelling in a hotel suite, with a restaurant, bed with TV, observation deck for the scenery

And if you're travelling with a dozen friends, it's probably not that extravagant


We give ourselves the luxury we feel we deserve. Go by rail unless you have an emergency.
 
2014-05-09 11:21:32 PM  

Ghastly: TomD9938: Fissile: lohphat: I'm tired living in a country that has stopped moving into the modern world.

Moving into the modern world?  It stopped doing that 30 years ago, we're going backward now.

Say hello to Murica's future.

[img.fark.net image 567x401]

I'll bet that kid on the left really made something of himself.

He looks like a "glass half full" kind of guy.

I dunno, the thousand yard stare just makes his smile look all the more plastered on.


I don't see that at all.  He looks confident and happy to me.

I could see him having owned an early and successful Buick dealership somewhere in the greater eastern Kentucky area.

Probably lamented in his old age that his kids had no idea how good they've had it.
 
2014-05-09 11:26:37 PM  

toadist: Remember back when folks were blabbering on about building high speed rail and how American would be able to afford it ???

Hahaha,   Americans are regressing back to bicycles and more handouts from the Government.

Not moving forward now.


Calf assshat bunglecrats have spent almost 2 billion dollars starting to plan to maybe build the high speed rail from Sacramento to LA... ( Starting to think about maybe planning to maybe finish it, and no, we won't promise you a done date nor a final budget, suckers!)... ouch, my tax paying wallet is hurting all the way to the food stamp office...

The first stretch of the tracks will be from nowhere to nowheresville... wait what? And that run will cost you another 5-10 billion dollars!!! But, hey, it's free money, the voters don't care and the elected representatives are getting their back pockets filled with bribe money!
 
2014-05-09 11:43:10 PM  

wxboy: CruJones: Sorry, not clicking.  Did it ever say how much this is?  I wouldn't be surprised if hitching your own car up is less than expected.

Unfortunately any time I've looked into taking a train it's twice as slow and more expensive.  However one good time is taking the train to New Orleans from Memphis and back.  Sure it's slower, but you can party on the way there and sleep it off on the way back, in a private room (berth?).

http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/122/605/Private-Car-Tariff-Rates-Addendu m- 1.pdf

Minimum charge $1,115 for Amtrak to handle your private car.  $2.40 per mile, plus switching and service charges.  And that's after you spent a bunch of money to buy or refurbish a car and bring it up to minimum operating standard.


Which makes it pretty expensive if you want the cost of owning a car and maintaining it. So if it costs $2-3000/d to keep a car on the rails, you're looking at $5000/d per car given that the car owner needs to make some margin. (And that's about the ballpark figure.)

But a rail car can easily hold 20 people depending on how it's set up, so you're looking at $250 per person per day depending on how many people you can get together. That's not exactly outrageous given that you can get up, walk around, enjoy the view from a dome car, hang out between cars and enjoy the breeze blowing through your hair, which are all things that aren't exactly practical on Amtrak, and impossible on an airline.

Add another $2000/d if you want two or three staff to cook and serve food. Unlike modern air travel, the trains of old had full-service kitchens on a train, so we're not talking microwaved reconstituted eggs, we're talking rib eyes and an open bar. OK, so that extra 50% is taking you into the $250-350/d range.

www.calzephyrrailcar.com

At the high end, and including a premium for the fact that it's the Fourth of July weekend, we end up at $3000 for a 5-day trip from Oakland to Denver and back. $500/d, all meals included and an open bar.

www.vcrail.com

If you don't have enough friends to charter a whole car, there are cars that do excursions open to the public, such as the Virginia City, where the per-person price is about $300 one-way or $600 round-trip through the mountains with a one day stayover of gambling, drinking, and/or foaming at the rail museum in Reno. I can think of worse and/or more expensive ways to spend a weekend.
 
2014-05-10 12:04:59 AM  

Courtney Love's Genital Warts: whistleridge: For most Americans, train travel is about finding an empty seat in a crowded car slower and more expensive than flying, and not wort the hassle.

FTFY.

Unless you live in the Northeast corridor, odds are pretty high you've never ridden on a train in your life that wasn't a subway.

That's because the government has subsidized the car industry and the airline industry for the past eighty or so years.  If there were free, government built tracks everywhere there are interstates and airports, you might have ridden in a train.


Unlikely.

See the above point that planes fly 600 mph. Trains will never beat that for long distance travel, call it anything further than a 5-6 hour drive/300ish miles. And if it's shorter, cars are cheaper and give you vastly more flexibility.

Trains have their uses, especially for freight and commuters, but for general travel they're almost as dated as cruise lines. The only way that would change is if gas prices shot up to $10+/gallon, making cars too expensive.
 
2014-05-10 12:23:38 AM  

TomD9938: Probably lamented in his old age that his kids had no idea how good they've had it.


That's the circle of life.  Have your childhood stolen, breaking your back for crap.  Grow old, vow your kids will have it different, then one day wake up in a Disney fog and start moaning that these kids just don't know.
 
2014-05-10 12:41:08 AM  

Swampmaster: toadist: Remember back when folks were blabbering on about building high speed rail and how American would be able to afford it ???

Hahaha,   Americans are regressing back to bicycles and more handouts from the Government.

Not moving forward now.

Calf assshat bunglecrats have spent almost 2 billion dollars starting to plan to maybe build the high speed rail from Sacramento to LA... ( Starting to think about maybe planning to maybe finish it, and no, we won't promise you a done date nor a final budget, suckers!)... ouch, my tax paying wallet is hurting all the way to the food stamp office...

The first stretch of the tracks will be from nowhere to nowheresville... wait what? And that run will cost you another 5-10 billion dollars!!! But, hey, it's free money, the voters don't care and the elected representatives are getting their back pockets filled with bribe money!


This is high on the list of reasons I'll be moving out of California soon
 
2014-05-10 02:22:58 AM  

Chach: However sometimes you get the "four hour delay for no real reason" trip. That's enough to stop using Amtrak at least for a little while.


We had a 26 hour delay coming back to Illinois from New Mexico and ended up sleeping at the train station. This was after 8 hours of delays on the trip west.
 
2014-05-10 03:33:26 AM  

TomD9938: I'll bet that kid on the left really made something of himself.
He looks like a "glass half full" kind of guy.


Well, it was 100 years ago so he's probably dead by now.

Here he is in hell:

www.cardcow.com
 
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