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2014-05-09 08:50:02 PM  
What's old is new again. In other news....do not want.
 
2014-05-09 09:32:38 PM  
What a curved TV screen may look like:

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2014-05-09 10:01:31 PM  
My flat screen TV is at least six years old and I accidentally scratched a groove into the display when something bounced into the screen so during some scenes you can see the damaged part of the screen. I still wouldn't buy a new flatscreen TV. Aside from the damage it still works great. A curved screen or 3D capabilities won't cut it.
 
2014-05-09 10:06:38 PM  
In the Samsung sales area, the centerpiece is a 78-inch Curved Ultra HDTV that is so new it hasn't yet been priced. It will likely cost about $9,000, a store employee said.

$9,000 for a TV? Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2014-05-09 10:09:14 PM  

NutWrench: In the Samsung sales area, the centerpiece is a 78-inch Curved Ultra HDTV that is so new it hasn't yet been priced. It will likely cost about $9,000, a store employee said.

$9,000 for a TV? Yeah, good luck with that.


Fark that noise.  My 65" Mitsubishi DLP may be considered obsolete, but I still love it.  It's a tad too big for my current situation, but hell if I care.  What size room do you even have to have that you can watch a 78" TV comfortably?
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-05-09 10:14:53 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What size room do you even have to have that you can watch a 78" TV comfortably?


That's Fahrenheit 451 sized-television right there.
 
2014-05-09 10:24:20 PM  
Curved TVs look real cool, but aren't very practical. Basically, you have pretty much one spot to see the screen properly... and unless you are the basement dwelling 42 year old Farker who still lives with his mother and thinks most girls' knees are too sharp, you'll quickly find that the rest of your household won't be happy with your placement of the lazyboy in the middle of the living room, no matter how many times you tell them that you paid for the damn thing.

There is a reason why theaters don't use curved screens (unless they are HUGE IMAX screens, of course).

At least 3D does have something "real" to offer, even if some people do not like it (I have lost the vision in my right eye, so I can't really 'do' 3D any more). Curved TVs under 200" offer only one thing, a very specific focal point where the TV can actually be viewed.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-05-09 10:39:13 PM  
www.t2buck.com
 
2014-05-09 10:39:44 PM  

skinink: My flat screen TV is at least six years old and I accidentally scratched a groove into the display when something bounced into the screen so during some scenes you can see the damaged part of the screen. I still wouldn't buy a new flatscreen TV. Aside from the damage it still works great. A curved screen or 3D capabilities won't cut it.


You're not alone, and there are even still people who have just recently bought their first flatscreen because their old TV finally died. Many people treat TVs like appliances and not electronic toys like game consoles; they only buy a new one when the old one is busted. Personally I think it's way too soon for them to expect the majority of people to run out and buy new ones.
 
2014-05-09 10:44:47 PM  

pyrotek85: skinink: My flat screen TV is at least six years old and I accidentally scratched a groove into the display when something bounced into the screen so during some scenes you can see the damaged part of the screen. I still wouldn't buy a new flatscreen TV. Aside from the damage it still works great. A curved screen or 3D capabilities won't cut it.

You're not alone, and there are even still people who have just recently bought their first flatscreen because their old TV finally died. Many people treat TVs like appliances and not electronic toys like game consoles; they only buy a new one when the old one is busted. Personally I think it's way too soon for them to expect the majority of people to run out and buy new ones.


That was me in 2007, which was a bad time for it to happen.  Would have been stupid to not get a flat screen, but they were still a bit pricey.  I could get something better for a third of the price of my current TV and I still haven't pulled the trigger yet.
 
2014-05-09 11:11:17 PM  

pyrotek85: skinink: My flat screen TV is at least six years old and I accidentally scratched a groove into the display when something bounced into the screen so during some scenes you can see the damaged part of the screen. I still wouldn't buy a new flatscreen TV. Aside from the damage it still works great. A curved screen or 3D capabilities won't cut it.

You're not alone, and there are even still people who have just recently bought their first flatscreen because their old TV finally died. Many people treat TVs like appliances and not electronic toys like game consoles; they only buy a new one when the old one is busted. Personally I think it's way too soon for them to expect the majority of people to run out and buy new ones.


It's not so much expecting everyone to go out and buy a new one, but any electronics company is expected to improve on their products year after year.  A series of small advancements will eventually convince some people to make the jump.

Plus, as you mention, there are still a lot of people using older style TVs who will be upgrading.  I have a CRT rear-projection set, one of these old beasts:

static.hometheaterforum.com

It still produces a great picture, but it's also 11 years old.  I've had the convergence board replaced once when it went out (under $200 to fix was worth it compared to buying a new set) but I realize that I need something new sometime soon.  It doesn't have HDMI (though it does have an HDCP compliant DVI port that works with an HDMI adapter), it has some screen burn in, and it's only 1080i.

If I had a 1080p plasma or LCD set I wouldn't really be looking to upgrade, but since I don't when I buy I'll go for a 4K set, because I figure I might as well future-proof a bit and get something that will last me another ten years.

The curved screens don't really do anything for me, but since I'll probably go for something in the 70"-80" range this time, 4K could make a difference, and I'd like to get something in an LED with full array local dimming.  That beastie was about $3,500 11 years ago, so that seems like a fair budget for a new one now.  If I find something great for less though I'm certainly down with saving money.
 
2014-05-09 11:22:57 PM  
One of the reasons I stick with plasma televisions is because I like being able to see the TV from any angle.  A curved LCD screen would suck in that regard.


Benevolent Misanthrope: My 65" Mitsubishi DLP may be considered obsolete, but I still love it.


Most of the people I've met with DLP televisions say the same thing.  A few of those people were hoping to upgrade to LaserVue sets, but Mitsubishi unfortunately ended up killing the line.
 
2014-05-09 11:32:34 PM  

pyrotek85: skinink: My flat screen TV is at least six years old and I accidentally scratched a groove into the display when something bounced into the screen so during some scenes you can see the damaged part of the screen. I still wouldn't buy a new flatscreen TV. Aside from the damage it still works great. A curved screen or 3D capabilities won't cut it.

You're not alone, and there are even still people who have just recently bought their first flatscreen because their old TV finally died. Many people treat TVs like appliances and not electronic toys like game consoles; they only buy a new one when the old one is busted. Personally I think it's way too soon for them to expect the majority of people to run out and buy new ones.


This right here. We got a flatscreen in 2009, and I feel no need to get another one. In fact, earlier this year the TV stopped working and we decided to have it repaired rather than replace it. It cost $300 to fix it, but if it lasts another few years it will be worth it. I don't want to get another one until absolutely necessary. While these new models are nifty, there's nothing about them that demands I replace my old HDTV.

CSB: A friend and I have been playing through Borderlands 2 on the PS3. He just got an HDTV last month. Up until that point he'd been gaming on a standard def television, and he was utterly blown away by what he'd been missing. It was fun listening to him be amazed by all the little details he could finally see.
 
2014-05-09 11:33:40 PM  

Dinjiin: One of the reasons I stick with plasma televisions is because I like being able to see the TV from any angle.  A curved LCD screen would suck in that regard.


Benevolent Misanthrope: My 65" Mitsubishi DLP may be considered obsolete, but I still love it.

Most of the people I've met with DLP televisions say the same thing.  A few of those people were hoping to upgrade to LaserVue sets, but Mitsubishi unfortunately ended up killing the line.


And I can replace the lamp myself for under $80, as opposed to when an LED set breaks down.  So, yeah - I'll have it for a while.
 
2014-05-10 12:24:26 AM  
I have not owned a TV, or willingly watched one, for at least 10 years.

It feels soooooo good.

/Yes, I know what you're about to say...
 
2014-05-10 12:25:34 AM  
My first flatscreen looked like this:

ecx.images-amazon.com

Sure, it's a CRT but the screen is flat.

Why can't they just call things what they are?

/I used to say I would give it away for free for anyone who could pick it up and carry it out of my home but I found this picture on Amazon and they said they had 2 used starting at $299.   Really?  Couldn't you get a decent LED or LCD or plasma for about that?
 
2014-05-10 12:29:12 AM  

gfid: My first flatscreen looked like this:

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Sure, it's a CRT but the screen is flat.

Why can't they just call things what they are?

/I used to say I would give it away for free for anyone who could pick it up and carry it out of my home but I found this picture on Amazon and they said they had 2 used starting at $299.   Really?  Couldn't you get a decent LED or LCD or plasma for about that?


It probably depends on what kind of content you're watching.  CRTs still do a better job at reproducing lower resolution content than fixed pixel displays.
I have a 32" plain old standard-def CRT in my bedroom.  I don't watch TV in there often, but it works well enough for when I do.
 
2014-05-10 12:33:39 AM  

SirHolo: I have not owned a TV, or willingly watched one, for at least 10 years.

It feels soooooo good.

/Yes, I know what you're about to say...


Why not? They're pretty cheap, a modern antenna costs like $30 and you get all the major channels. Any reason you think you're better off depriving yourself of modern culture?
 
2014-05-10 12:34:53 AM  

SirHolo: I have not owned a TV, or willingly watched one, for at least 10 years.

It feels soooooo good.

/Yes, I know what you're about to say...


My guess is you had some emotional problems with TV a decade ago and felt you needed to get away from that.

That's really pretty sad. I'm glad you won a personal victory though. Maybe one day you'll be strong enough to rejoin the rest of us.
 
2014-05-10 01:07:31 AM  
I have a 60" Sony rear projector.  Yeah, it's obsolete and not as sexy as a 2" thick flat panel but when the bulb dims or goes out, I can simply replace it.  10 minutes later, I'm back to original brightness and good for another 7000-8000 hours.  I think I'm on my 3rd bulb at this point.  If the backlight on an LCD goes flaky or dims, the typical owner is SOL.

At this point, there's just no compelling reason to replace it.  Current TVs are still generally 1080p.  HD content is still 1080p or less.  Non-gimmick 4K content is still a few years away.
 
2014-05-10 03:08:34 AM  
maybe people buying new stuff want to see how it actually works before they purchase?

Meh who knows, maybe they make a few more bucks?
 
2014-05-10 04:02:39 AM  

433: Benevolent Misanthrope: What size room do you even have to have that you can watch a 78" TV comfortably?

That's Fahrenheit 451 sized-television right there.


I figure we're about 10 years away from full video walls, rooms that seem to be on top of mountains or on island beaches, or both at once.
 
2014-05-10 05:25:26 AM  
Concave screen for the living room is a stupid idea.  Ultra-wide concave monitor for computering?  Brilliant, bring that shizzle on.  But I'm talking like the same resolution as my three.

/at this rate though I think my next gaming display will be an Occulus Rift.
 
2014-05-10 08:54:29 AM  
Wait, this is news? I saw a curved screen TV on sale at Tiger Direct a couple of weeks ago.

/Obviously not priced at $9,000 either
 
2014-05-10 10:24:05 AM  
On the other hand, I saw a nice demonstration of a 4K Samsung a couple of weeks ago, and it was insanely gorgeous.

Not just the resolution (you have to look really close to see that difference), but the dynamic range and color fidelity. Adding a couple of extra bits per pixel of color range really does make a noticeable difference with the right content...

It was only $2500, too, which was a little surprise. Give it a couple of years to get down to $1000 or so for a Samsung, and I might start thinking about replacing my current set.
 
2014-05-10 10:30:49 AM  
... just like the governor's genitalia

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2014-05-10 10:43:04 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: NutWrench: In the Samsung sales area, the centerpiece is a 78-inch Curved Ultra HDTV that is so new it hasn't yet been priced. It will likely cost about $9,000, a store employee said.



I get 100" or so with a projector that cost me $150 and maybe an hour of work, at 1280x1024 resolution. Why doesn't everyone do that?
 
2014-05-10 10:53:01 AM  
Cool. Now I can test out these new curved TVs before I buy one online cheaper.

Great strategy guys.
 
2014-05-10 11:12:32 AM  

spiritplumber: Benevolent Misanthrope: NutWrench: In the Samsung sales area, the centerpiece is a 78-inch Curved Ultra HDTV that is so new it hasn't yet been priced. It will likely cost about $9,000, a store employee said.


I get 100" or so with a projector that cost me $150 and maybe an hour of work, at 1280x1024 resolution. Why doesn't everyone do that?


Because my current living room is too small for 100" to be comfortable?  Because I rent and my wall isn't white?  Because not everyone wants to hang a projector from their ceiling?  Because maybe we don't have a wall big enough for that, and projectors aren't exactly known for a wide range of picture sizes at high quality?
 
2014-05-10 11:13:44 AM  

cirby: It was only $2500, too, which was a little surprise. Give it a couple of years to get down to $1000 or so for a Samsung, and I might start thinking about replacing my current set.


No, the price is not going to go down.  More features will be added.  The cost of an upper midrange TV will stay at that price.

It is impossible at this point to get a great panel that is not smart.  If you want a good panel you have to spend the money on a lot of junk many people do not need.
 
2014-05-10 11:29:54 AM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Cool. Now I can test out these new curved TVs before I buy one online cheaper.

Great strategy guys.


Just did that at Best Buy last week. Needed two 30" flat screens for finished basement so stopped at BB on the way home from work. They stock the smaller tvs on the showroom floor so I used the Amazon price check app on my phone and scanned the UPC on the box. Sure enough they were $30 cheaper (each) and with my Prime account they would be there in 2 days. Thanks BestBuy.
 
2014-05-10 11:36:54 AM  

squidloe: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Cool. Now I can test out these new curved TVs before I buy one online cheaper.

Great strategy guys.

Just did that at Best Buy last week. Needed two 30" flat screens for finished basement so stopped at BB on the way home from work. They stock the smaller tvs on the showroom floor so I used the Amazon price check app on my phone and scanned the UPC on the box. Sure enough they were $30 cheaper (each) and with my Prime account they would be there in 2 days. Thanks BestBuy.


You are aware that Best Buy will match a price even from Amazon on the spot, right?

/and if you did, you're just being an asshole
 
2014-05-10 11:46:37 AM  

ajgeek: squidloe: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Cool. Now I can test out these new curved TVs before I buy one online cheaper.

Great strategy guys.

Just did that at Best Buy last week. Needed two 30" flat screens for finished basement so stopped at BB on the way home from work. They stock the smaller tvs on the showroom floor so I used the Amazon price check app on my phone and scanned the UPC on the box. Sure enough they were $30 cheaper (each) and with my Prime account they would be there in 2 days. Thanks BestBuy.

You are aware that Best Buy will match a price even from Amazon on the spot, right?

/and if you did, you're just being an asshole


I do. And if I'm an asshole for getting a better deal elsewhere what does that make them for trying to gouge customers? If the cost were within several dollars then I would have made the purchase. If they're going to blatantly try to rip off the consumer, then they live or die by that practice. They could just as easily research online prices as well and adjust accordingly. Instead they're hoping that customers won't do that.

I'm sorry you're stuck working at Best Buy.
 
2014-05-10 12:44:35 PM  

squidloe: I'm sorry you're stuck working at Best Buy.


I don't, nor ever have. But a brick and mortar costs more to run than a website and warehouse.

I'm sorry you have absolutely no concept of economics.
 
2014-05-10 01:04:44 PM  

Walker: What's old is new again. In other news....do not want.


They're curved inwards, thus the imax reference.

But its probably mostly a gimmick.
 
2014-05-10 02:06:04 PM  

ajgeek: squidloe: I'm sorry you're stuck working at Best Buy.

I don't, nor ever have. But a brick and mortar costs more to run than a website and warehouse.

I'm sorry you have absolutely no concept of economics.


you make that economic statement based on...what? That I'm not willing to pay a higher price just to support  a physical store? I get the economics. It would appear that Best Buy doesn't understand the new dynamic of how the public will purchase and spend their money. This isn't even a mom and pop you're white knighting, it's Best Buy. If your claim is that by me and others like me choosing to buy online will cause BB to shutter stores resulting in unemployment the same argument can be made if people don't purchase from Amazon, New Egg etc.

If I was about to make the same purchase from Amazon but instead bought from Best Buy because they had the lower price but Amazon would price match as well would I still be an asshole for not buying from Amazon?

Let's hear your theory on the economics of this.
 
2014-05-10 02:44:50 PM  

squidloe: ajgeek: squidloe: I'm sorry you're stuck working at Best Buy.

I don't, nor ever have. But a brick and mortar costs more to run than a website and warehouse.

I'm sorry you have absolutely no concept of economics.

you make that economic statement based on...what? That I'm not willing to pay a higher price just to support  a physical store? I get the economics. It would appear that Best Buy doesn't understand the new dynamic of how the public will purchase and spend their money. This isn't even a mom and pop you're white knighting, it's Best Buy. If your claim is that by me and others like me choosing to buy online will cause BB to shutter stores resulting in unemployment the same argument can be made if people don't purchase from Amazon, New Egg etc.

If I was about to make the same purchase from Amazon but instead bought from Best Buy because they had the lower price but Amazon would price match as well would I still be an asshole for not buying from Amazon?

Let's hear your theory on the economics of this.


Best Buy provided you with a service by displaying the TV's for you to check out in person. They will price match to Amazon so you there's no savings going to Amazon.  Plus, with Best Buy you can pick up the TV's right there without having to wait for them to ship, plus, if there's a problem with either you can easily return/exchange in store instead of having to deal with return shipping and more waiting with Amazon.

Brick and Mortar is just hands down more convenient than shopping online. If they're willing to match the online price, why wouldn't you just buy from Best Buy?
 
2014-05-10 02:48:36 PM  

spiritplumber: Benevolent Misanthrope: NutWrench: In the Samsung sales area, the centerpiece is a 78-inch Curved Ultra HDTV that is so new it hasn't yet been priced. It will likely cost about $9,000, a store employee said.


I get 100" or so with a projector that cost me $150 and maybe an hour of work, at 1280x1024 resolution. Why doesn't everyone do that?


You need a pretty well light controlled room for a projector.

Plus, your projector is apparently SXGA resolution, which is 5:4 aspect ratio.  That means viewing most HD content, which is 16:9, you're only using about 575 vertical pixels, so you're only getting a little over half of 1080p resolution on that 100" screen.
 
2014-05-10 02:53:53 PM  

Dinjiin: One of the reasons I stick with plasma televisions is because I like being able to see the TV from any angle.  A curved LCD screen would suck in that regard.


LCDs aren't bad anymore. Viewing angles have significantly improved and one with an LED backlight can do things like local dimming that plasma will never do.
 
2014-05-10 04:21:51 PM  
Paleorific:
No, the price is not going to go down. More features will be added. The cost of an upper midrange TV will stay at that price.

You do realize that this comment is 100% opposite of the trend for any popular electronic device for, oh, the last 50 years, right?

When I bought my current 40" HDTV, it listed at $1800. A year later, a BETTER set was $1100. Currently, a similar one costs about $500.

A current model 55" Samsung, 120 Hz 3D LED is under $1200 right now. A couple of years ago, it was twice that.

You can currently buy off-brand 4K, 50" sets for as low as $700.

It doesn't take much extrapolation to notice that the 4K sets will get a lot cheaper, fast.
 
2014-05-10 04:32:20 PM  

squidloe: If your claim is that by me and others like me choosing to buy online will cause BB to shutter stores resulting in unemployment the same argument can be made if people don't purchase from Amazon, New Egg etc.


Wow, way to strawman there. I never said, nor implied anything of the sort.

The argument remains the same; You use Best Buy (which works under a different business model than Amazon) as a personal showroom then go out and find it cheaper, despite their best efforts to match even when it's at a loss for them. That's a clear cut definition of an asshole.

squidloe: If I was about to make the same purchase from Amazon but instead bought from Best Buy because they had the lower price but Amazon would price match as well would I still be an asshole for not buying from Amazon?


In a bizzaro Universe where this is conceivably possible, yeah, you still would be. Because we both know it's not possible for you to go to an Amazon Store showroom then order it off bestbuy.com
 
2014-05-10 05:21:36 PM  
Best Buy holds this meeting in Orlando, not at their HQ in Minnesota?  Either even they hate
Minnesota, or Mickey Mouse is acquiring Best Buy...geez, is there anything Disney won't touch?
(Aside from a mousetrap.)
 
2014-05-10 05:40:29 PM  

Tobin_Lam: LCDs aren't bad anymore. Viewing angles have significantly improved and one with an LED backlight can do things like local dimming that plasma will never do.


Plasma displays don't use backlights.  Each pixel on a plasma display is its own light source.  This is in contrast to LCD where each pixel on the display is a shutter that blocks a light source behind it.  To say it another way, plasma displays are additive while LCD displays are subtractive.

With that it mind, one could argue that plasma displays have "local dimming" down to a pixel level.
 
2014-05-10 09:05:55 PM  

ajgeek: squidloe: If your claim is that by me and others like me choosing to buy online will cause BB to shutter stores resulting in unemployment the same argument can be made if people don't purchase from Amazon, New Egg etc.

Wow, way to strawman there. I never said, nor implied anything of the sort.

The argument remains the same; You use Best Buy (which works under a different business model than Amazon) as a personal showroom then go out and find it cheaper, despite their best efforts to match even when it's at a loss for them. That's a clear cut definition of an asshole.

squidloe: If I was about to make the same purchase from Amazon but instead bought from Best Buy because they had the lower price but Amazon would price match as well would I still be an asshole for not buying from Amazon?

In a bizzaro Universe where this is conceivably possible, yeah, you still would be. Because we both know it's not possible for you to go to an Amazon Store showroom then order it off bestbuy.com


no, my intent was to make the purchase at bestbuy, that's why I went there. On a whim I used the Amazon app to comparison shop. The difference was $30 per tv. That's obscene and at that much of a differential they don't deserve my business. I'll spend money somewhere where I don't feel like I have to price check everything. How do you know that they were selling the tv at a loss? Seems like they have a lot of margin to play with.

Where did I say I was in an amazon showroom? Your reading comprehension is perfect. Keep white knighting Best Buy and overpaying for your stuff.

Best buy is a dying business and will go the way of Circuit City because it's the same exact business model.

Again, I'm sorry your stuck working retail.
 
2014-05-11 07:41:48 AM  

squidloe: no, my intent was to make the purchase at bestbuy, that's why I went there. On a whim I used the Amazon app to comparison shop. The difference was $30 per tv. That's obscene and at that much of a differential they don't deserve my business. I'll spend money somewhere where I don't feel like I have to price check everything. How do you know that they were selling the tv at a loss? Seems like they have a lot of margin to play with.

Where did I say I was in an amazon showroom? Your reading comprehension is perfect. Keep white knighting Best Buy and overpaying for your stuff.

Best buy is a dying business and will go the way of Circuit City because it's the same exact business model.

Again, I'm sorry your stuck working retail.


I bet you shop at Walmart, alllll the time.
 
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