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2014-05-09 06:29:50 PM
"Praise Jesus?"
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2014-05-09 06:55:47 PM
is it "...under God" or is it "...under god" because someone told me there's a difference or something.
 
2014-05-09 07:00:27 PM
If it's not religious, can you say the pledge without "under God" and if not, why not?
 
2014-05-09 08:07:14 PM

itcamefromschenectady: If it's not religious, can you say the pledge without "under God" and if not, why not?


It should be said the way a socialist minister wrote it.
 
2014-05-09 08:09:48 PM

itcamefromschenectady: If it's not religious, can you say the pledge without "under God" and if not, why not?


Well, sure, if you want to be labeled a traitor as well as being eternally damned... go ahead.
 
2014-05-09 08:27:30 PM
belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.  Religions are the beliefs and rituals that people use to worship
 
2014-05-09 09:15:45 PM
I think the real question here is "Who gives a fark what the Massachusetts court thinks?"
 
2014-05-09 09:17:16 PM

Lorelle: itcamefromschenectady: If it's not religious, can you say the pledge without "under God" and if not, why not?

It should be said the way a socialist minister wrote it.


So without god then.
 
2014-05-09 09:17:36 PM
But it's idolatry.....
 
2014-05-09 09:18:44 PM
well mad dog...
 
2014-05-09 09:19:22 PM
Good. Now get yerself to church this Sunday or you're going on the No-Fly list, heathen...
 
2014-05-09 09:19:33 PM
It depends if you say it like a classroom full of 5th graders says it:

We pledge allegiance to the flag of the unitedstatesofamerica (one word)
And to the republic (breath)
For which it stands (breath)
One nation (pause) under god (pause) IN-divisible
With libertyandjusticeforall (one word)
(collapse into seats).

If so, then no, it is not religious, because you can barely understand the whole thing.
 
2014-05-09 09:19:45 PM
Massachusetts?  That bastion of liberalism?  Holy crap.  But, then again, this was the state that elected R'Money....
 
2014-05-09 09:19:56 PM
I don't get what the big deal is. It's voluntary, I spent my entire time in high school sitting while others said the pledge. Nobody had a problem with that.
 
2014-05-09 09:20:59 PM
Same thing as the legal term "Act of God"? It's not really endorsing religion, is it? Just simplifying the idea of the forces of nature.
 
2014-05-09 09:21:39 PM
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The old ways are best.
 
2014-05-09 09:22:59 PM
Well shiat, I've been saying Un Derg Odd all these years...never really un der stud wat it ment.,,.

/drubnk
 
2014-05-09 09:23:30 PM
This dates back to "Protecting Ourselves From The Communist Plot To Steal Our Vital Essence:"
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-eisenhower-sign s- in-god-we-trust-into-law
 
2014-05-09 09:25:32 PM

macross87: But it's idolatry.....


Allegiance is not worship.
 
2014-05-09 09:26:42 PM

BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.  Religions are the beliefs and rituals that people use to worship


Do you EVER read the article before you comment?
 
2014-05-09 09:26:44 PM
formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942.[1] The official name of The Pledge of Allegiance was adopted in 1945. The last change in language came on Flag Day 1954 when the words "under God" were added.[2]

Besides the fact that this is obviously illegal, it's ahistorical. America had no loyalty oath until a few decades ago and no religious loyalty oath until almost as long ago.
 
2014-05-09 09:27:11 PM

jso2897: BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.  Religions are the beliefs and rituals that people use to worship

Do you EVER read the article before you comment?


This is Fark. Does anybody?
 
2014-05-09 09:27:11 PM
Pledging my allegiance to a piece of cloth has never been something I've taken very seriously.  I'll spout out the words if it makes my fellow citizens feel better, but I fail to see how it accomplishes anything.
 
2014-05-09 09:27:40 PM
Yeah, it's all voluntary. No pressure.

I still remember the JW kid in my class remaining sitting in homeroom. in around 10th grade or so, the teacher told him he had to stand "in respect for everyone else's beliefs," even if he didn't recite it himself.

That kid took hell.

He had a hot sister, though. But I digress.
 
2014-05-09 09:28:19 PM
www.troll.me
 
2014-05-09 09:29:13 PM
Yeah, it's capitalist.
 
2014-05-09 09:29:46 PM

BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.  Religions are the beliefs and rituals that people use to worship


I take it as an acknowledgement and a reminder that we aren't the supreme beings of the universe.

Perspective is a good thing.
 
2014-05-09 09:31:25 PM

BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.


Actually, that is in fact the very definition of religion.  Hold on let's check.

re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.


Yep.
 
2014-05-09 09:34:30 PM
If you don't brainwash your kid, we'll do it for you.

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -Nietzsche
 
2014-05-09 09:36:43 PM
`One nation under the great pustulant one, long may he rot`
 
2014-05-09 09:36:43 PM

Weatherkiss: Same thing as the legal term "Act of God"? It's not really endorsing religion, is it? Just simplifying the idea of the forces of nature.


...one nation, under the forces of nature, indivisible....

I doubt that what they were going for.
 
2014-05-09 09:37:20 PM
God visiting Afghanistan.
static.infowars.com
 
2014-05-09 09:37:53 PM
"One nation,
Under gods and goddesses,
Indivisible,
With Liberty
and Justice for all"

www.howarddavidjohnson.com
 
2014-05-09 09:38:52 PM

phillydrifter: If you don't brainwash your kid, we'll do it for you.

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -Nietzsche


So that's why liberal colleges push lib agenda so much. Thanks captain obvious.
 
2014-05-09 09:39:05 PM

Bacontastesgood: BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.

Actually, that is in fact the very definition of religion.  Hold on let's check.

re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Yep.


I can believe in Bigfoot all I want, but shiat don't get religious till I smear my naked body with mud and pine needles and start leaving berries on people's doorsteps.
 
2014-05-09 09:40:26 PM
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2014-05-09 09:41:37 PM
The way I saw it, God doesn't necessarily refer to the Abrahamic deity.  Could mean Odin, Thor, or whatever.
 
2014-05-09 09:41:40 PM

Bacontastesgood: BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.

Actually, that is in fact the very definition of religion.  Hold on let's check.

re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Yep.


A pedantic person might say that the worship is a necessary factor. Without it, its not religion.

/Atheist.
 
2014-05-09 09:42:08 PM

JungleBoogie: "One nation,
Under gods and goddesses,
Indivisible,
With Liberty
and Justice for all"


Spider horse, spider horse. Does whatever a spider horse does.
 
2014-05-09 09:42:15 PM

radarlove: Bacontastesgood: BravadoGT: belief in, or acknowledgement of God is not religion.

Actually, that is in fact the very definition of religion.  Hold on let's check.

re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Yep.

I can believe in Bigfoot all I want, but shiat don't get religious till I smear my naked body with mud and pine needles and start leaving berries on people's doorsteps.


Exactly.  For everyone that thinks it's religious:  What religion is it anyway?
 
2014-05-09 09:42:18 PM

Callous: macross87: But it's idolatry.....

Allegiance is not worship.


Maybe not to you, but there are an awful lot of people who worship the flag. You can tell them apart from others as they often decide to devote their life in military service for said flag, or what it represents.
 
2014-05-09 09:42:58 PM

catusr: Pledging my allegiance to a piece of cloth has never been something I've taken very seriously.  I'll spout out the words if it makes my fellow citizens feel better, but I fail to see how it accomplishes anything.


Symbolism.  You can take the flag with you wherever you go, especially outside the USA.
 
2014-05-09 09:44:49 PM

nemisonic: This dates back to "Protecting Ourselves From The Communist Plot To Steal Our Vital Essence:"
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-eisenhower-sign s- in-god-we-trust-into-law


The commies want out holistic medicine!
 
2014-05-09 09:44:54 PM
Who gives a fark
 
2014-05-09 09:44:58 PM
The whole flag worship thing in the US has many of the characteristics of a cult.
 
2014-05-09 09:45:02 PM
Now wait a minute, fellas. Did the court REALLY say that it's not religious? Is that what they really said? Or did they say that it passes the "coercion" test, and is therefore acceptable?
You subbies, and your headlines.
 
2014-05-09 09:45:13 PM

camaroash: The way I saw it, God doesn't necessarily refer to the Abrahamic deity.  Could mean Odin, Thor, or whatever.


And including the phrase in the pledge would still be wrong.
 
2014-05-09 09:48:07 PM
JungleBoogie: "One nation,
Under gods and goddesses,
Indivisible,
With Liberty
and Justice for all"

Russ1642: Spider horse, spider horse. Does whatever a spider horse does.


Sleipnir, Odin's horse.
 
2014-05-09 09:48:14 PM
"The Supreme Judicial Court ruled unanimously they failed to make their case, saying they had not proved the children had been subjected to bullying, ostracism or any other punishment or mistreatment for refusing to say the pledge or for keeping quiet while everyone else was saying "Under God."

That was the basis for the ruling - not that the mention of god is not religious - that would be absurd.
 
2014-05-09 09:48:56 PM
Chief Justice Roderick Ireland, who wrote the opinion, also said school officials in the district -- which includes two wealthy suburbs northwest of Boston -- do not track students' patriotism, or lack thereof.

Well as long as that particular school doesn't do it, then I guess it's all right then. Because we all know that the wealthy suburbs of Boston have the most conservative reactionary religious leaning schools in the country. If they don't impose any sanctions or reprisal or pressure on kids for not saying the pledge, then no school in the country would.
 
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