BumpInTheNight: inclemency: BumpInTheNight: You know what department I'd like to see mandated to pay for itself? DoD.How? Looting? Advertising on uniforms? Odd jobs on furloughs?Exactly, some things just don't pay for themselves and it should be understood that they are useful despite being a cost center. I think the USPS is one of them.
simrobert2001: what were you saying about them doing it for less?
rewind2846: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?"I don't need it, so let's get rid of it!"Some of us do need this service, mainly because our workweeks overlap the weekend and Saturdays are important delivery days.Try thinking outside your own head.
fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?
EngineerAU: What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).
Iszael: All they need to do is charge their actual costs to the junk mailers. Instead we're as a people subsidizing exactly what we don't want. Expensive recycling bin fodder.Remember, they do actually charge the junk mailers some small amount of money, it probably covers quite a bit of the cost. So, on the whole, they spend probably 10 billion per quarter delivering junk mail and take in maybe 5 billion to do it.They make a profit on important mail. Overall they lose money because they want to give such a steep volume discount that they lose money on every "sale" (but they make it up in volume!!)
simrobert2001: grimlock1972: Lsherm: Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.It's partisan bullshiat at work.They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work. Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees. That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money. They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan. Either strategy leaves the employees farked. Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.That's part truth but a heavy level of bullshiat as congress mandated the post office prefund for too many years ahead in too little time despite irrefutable evidence it would not work.The want it to fail so they can pass a law giving the mail to UPS or Fed ex or both.http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-postal-serv ic e/11433/Actually, it would cost something like 8.95 for UPS and FedEx to deliver letters. I heard a rumor that UPS did a cost analysis, and it would be upwards of 15.00 for a single letter, just across the street.Hell, i just did it for a .3 pound package, and the only service they will offer me is 2nd day air. It ...
MBZ321: Why don't we cut back at home mail delivery to 3 days a week? (excluding packages). If you need your regular letter mail sooner, pick it up at a post office.Just raise the price of a stamp to $1.00 already. This 2 and 3 cent hikes every couple years is retarded.
whatshisname: TOSViolation: whatshisname: I am a farking idiot. can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?ftfyThanks. That was a very well constructed argument./do you deliver mail?
viscountalpha: And I'm certain "who the hell needs mail on saturday" is a compelling argument. How about this-Not doing saturday deliveries prohibits people from getting their checks in the mail or other needed goods and documents. Removing saturday service would just create overtime for monday and thereby create an even bigger expense.There you go. If you took time to try to understand the subject, then people might not call you an idiot.
spiral_fishcake: What do you call it when you get a phone book in your mailbox? Shared Obsolescence. Embrace the digital age once and for all and dismantle the post office - we don't need it since we have email and internet. Save a few trees or some such. And holy hell people, don't ship your packages US Mail, unless you really don't care if it gets where it's going. I work for UPS, and I tell all my customers that I would much rather them use FedEx than US Mail.
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