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2014-05-10 12:25:25 PM  

BumpInTheNight: inclemency: BumpInTheNight: You know what department I'd like to see mandated to pay for itself?  DoD.

How? Looting? Advertising on uniforms? Odd jobs on furloughs?

Exactly, some things just don't pay for themselves and it should be understood that they are useful despite being a cost center.  I think the USPS is one of them.


I agree completely.
 
2014-05-10 12:30:26 PM  
What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).
 
2014-05-10 12:30:28 PM  
I used to use Fedex exclusively, after talking to my mail carrier a bit I switched to USPS - it gets there slighty faster, slightly cheaper, and I feel better about supporting vital infrastructure. I only use UPS for things that my customers want shipped out by drone tank, simply because the UPS office is within drone tank range.

/drone tank
// https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urs68vf7ZFY
 
2014-05-10 12:32:36 PM  

simrobert2001: what were you saying about them doing it for less?


No one was saying anything about them doing it for less.  Way to follow the conversation, sparky.

rewind2846: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

"I don't need it, so let's get rid of it!"

Some of us do need this service, mainly because our workweeks overlap the weekend and Saturdays are important delivery days.
Try thinking outside your own head.


The first proposal for cutting out a day of delivery was Tuesday, which is the lowest volume delivery day.

I could settle for Tuesday.
 
2014-05-10 12:34:52 PM  

fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?


The Constitution gives Congress the authority to establish a post office, but does not require it.
 
2014-05-10 12:38:45 PM  

EngineerAU: What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).


They haven't made that payment in 3 years. They are in default on that, they've borrowed $15 billion to stay afloat and they can't qualify for any more loans, so a "miraculous turnaround" only exists in the heads of morons who aren't following the finances.

Without raising rates the USPS is doomed.  The real scandal isn't that congress made them fund promises they made for their labor contracts, it's that they won't let them raise rates.  Remember, those pensions you idiots are bleating on about go to real people.  If the USPS doesn't fund them then the employees get farked.

It amazes me that Fark liberals can biatch about Detroit public employees getting screwed because the city went bankrupt and then turn around and complain that the USPS is being forced to honor the pension promises they made in labor contracts.  Do you understand how pension plans work, and why the old model will not work for the USPS?  Until 2006 their "plan" for funding pensions was to have an ever-expanding workforce cover the increasing costs of pension payouts.  Guess what isn't expanding?
 
2014-05-10 12:39:02 PM  
Is there a respectable first-world country out there that doesn't have a non-private postal service equivalent?
 
2014-05-10 01:13:10 PM  

EngineerAU: What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).


Au contraire, plan is rolling and trickling right along.
USPS and it's sweet, sweet plan will sell well as soon as GOP wrests control once again.
Maybe Rick Scott or sum like.
 
2014-05-10 01:30:16 PM  

Iszael: All they need to do is charge their actual costs to the junk mailers.  Instead we're as a people subsidizing exactly what we don't want.  Expensive recycling bin fodder.

Remember, they do actually charge the junk mailers some small amount of money, it probably covers quite a bit of the cost.  So, on the whole, they spend probably 10 billion per quarter delivering junk mail and take in maybe 5 billion to do it.

They make a profit on important mail.  Overall they lose money because they want to give such a steep volume discount that they lose money on every "sale" (but they make it up in volume!!)


You're making the mistaken assumption that its all "junk" mail and not relevant local advertising which directly fuels your local businesses.

Yes, you throw away the majority of it... but back when I worked retail and checkout at automotive shops etc, a very significant portion of our customers came in with those coupons and advertised sales etc that you for whatever reason assume are completely useless.
 
2014-05-10 03:43:50 PM  
FTA -

"Given these positive trends, it would be irresponsible to degrade services to the public, which would drive away mail - and revenue - and stop the postal turnaround in its tracks," Mr. Rolando said.

If it was up to me, as most things should be, here is how it would go:

Ok........Rolando.

The postal service now belongs to the union.  It's yours, lock stock and barrel.  The United States taxpayer is out of the post office business.  Good luck.

This is actually one problem that is very easy to solve.
 
2014-05-10 06:14:51 PM  
rewind2846:  How about deliver any size package, envelope or parcel to any place in the continental united states or its territories that has an address - even to people in homeless shelters - six days a week? FedEx and UPS won't/can't do that because it's not profitable enough for their shareholders, and if anything they get needs to be delivered to Mooseballs, Wyoming (pop 3) they... drop it in the US Mail. Even the farking Unabomber could get mail.

Well maybe that should be the model, then.  The USPS gets out of delivering mail across the country and focuses on delivering the mail from the Mooseball post office to Dick Cheney and back.  Let the company that knows enough to avoid left hand turns handle the rest.
 
2014-05-10 06:18:59 PM  
Why don't we cut back at home mail delivery to 3 days a week? (excluding packages). If you need your regular letter mail sooner, pick it up at a post office.

Just raise the price of a stamp to $1.00 already. This 2 and 3 cent hikes every couple years is retarded.
 
2014-05-10 08:01:12 PM  

simrobert2001: grimlock1972: Lsherm: Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.

They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work.  Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees.  That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.

But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money.  They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.

The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan.  Either strategy leaves the employees farked.  Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.

That's part truth but a heavy level of bullshiat as congress mandated the post office prefund for too many years ahead in too little time despite irrefutable evidence it would not work.

The want it to fail so they can pass a law giving the mail to UPS or Fed ex or both.


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-postal-serv ic e/11433/

Actually, it would cost something like 8.95 for UPS and FedEx to deliver letters. I heard a  rumor that UPS did a cost analysis, and it would be upwards of 15.00 for a single letter, just across the street.

Hell, i just did it for a .3 pound package, and the only service they will offer me is 2nd day air.  It ...


I agree with you they would want to jack the price way the hell up.
 
2014-05-10 10:51:47 PM  

MBZ321: Why don't we cut back at home mail delivery to 3 days a week? (excluding packages). If you need your regular letter mail sooner, pick it up at a post office.

Just raise the price of a stamp to $1.00 already. This 2 and 3 cent hikes every couple years is retarded.


Funny thing. I'm waiting for a $5k check from an estate thing. I don't care what day of the week it is when it comes, I want it NOW...
 
2014-05-11 01:29:58 AM  

whatshisname: TOSViolation: whatshisname: I am a farking idiot. can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

ftfy

Thanks. That was a very well constructed argument.
/do you deliver mail?


And I'm certain "who the hell needs mail on saturday" is a compelling argument. How about this-

Not doing saturday deliveries prohibits people from getting their checks in the mail or other needed goods and documents. Removing saturday service would just create overtime for monday and thereby create an even bigger expense.

There you go. If you took time to try to understand the subject, then people might not call you an idiot.
 
2014-05-11 07:39:34 AM  

viscountalpha: And I'm certain "who the hell needs mail on saturday" is a compelling argument. How about this-

Not doing saturday deliveries prohibits people from getting their checks in the mail or other needed goods and documents. Removing saturday service would just create overtime for monday and thereby create an even bigger expense.

There you go. If you took time to try to understand the subject, then people might not call you an idiot.


Canada as a nation and likely many many others survive without weekend national mail or commercial delivery services operating.  We don't collapse at the lack of receiving those services, man up you nancies and plan ahead better.  Also if someone desperately needs a check on saturday that they cannot wait until monday then they fail at finances and need to reevaluate their monetary skills.  As for the overtime I'm kind of doubting these delivery people are pushing to the hilt as it is, in fact I get the impression they could probably carry all the junk mail they currently do in half the trips.

No, seriously weekend deliveries has spoiled you and its contributing to the bankruption your postal service (though that forced pension crap is the bigger cause).  Help it out and give up your cherished junk mail delivery and go get direct deposit or something if you really need your macdonalds check for saturday night that desperately.
 
2014-05-11 08:44:48 AM  

spiral_fishcake: What do you call it when you get a phone book in your mailbox? Shared Obsolescence. Embrace the digital age once and for all and dismantle the post office - we don't need it since we have email and internet. Save a few trees or some such. And holy hell people, don't ship your packages US Mail, unless you really don't care if it gets where it's going. I work for UPS, and I tell all my customers that I would much rather them use FedEx than US Mail.


LOL, there's a reason why you work at UPS...
 
2014-05-11 11:37:20 AM  
If they wanted to improve, I'd suggest hiring English speakers of average intelligence with something approaching a work ethic.

That would be a good start.
 
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