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2014-05-09 09:24:24 PM  
Because a government service which is about as old as the country itself is not allowed to operate without a profit motive. This is why the Marines refused to take out the pirates at Tripoli and why the State Department doesn't have an embassy in Iceland.
 
2014-05-09 09:26:01 PM  
When is Ben gibbard not distraught?
 
2014-05-09 09:27:28 PM  
Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?
 
2014-05-09 10:24:35 PM  
Male is my right.
 
2014-05-09 10:25:31 PM  

fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?


The postal clause does not mandate a postal service.  It's an enumerated power of congress that they have the power to regulate the postal service, including defining mail routes and designating areas for post offices.  It does not have to be a public agency (it's not) and it could be shunted off to the back of 7-11's nationwide if congress so wished.

The postal clause authorizes the creation of a postal service, it does not mandate it.
 
2014-05-09 10:57:47 PM  
I guess we need to do what they already did in the UK, privatize the post office.

Do some google searching and see how it's working out for them.
 
2014-05-09 10:57:59 PM  
package transport network
 
2014-05-09 11:07:00 PM  

Lsherm: fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?

The postal clause does not mandate a postal service.  It's an enumerated power of congress that they have the power to regulate the postal service, including defining mail routes and designating areas for post offices.  It does not have to be a public agency (it's not) and it could be shunted off to the back of 7-11's nationwide if congress so wished.

The postal clause authorizes the creation of a postal service, it does not mandate it.


Congress is also authorized, but not required, to fund an Army, but you never hear that argument applied to the Army.
The postal service is really a form of infrastructure. Every other civilized nation has one, there isn't any good reason to hand it all over to other providers that won't do what the USPS does.
 
2014-05-09 11:07:13 PM  
I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?
 
2014-05-09 11:10:23 PM  
If it were possible I'd pull a Kramer and cancel my mail altogether. It's just food for the recycling bin at this point.
 
2014-05-09 11:11:04 PM  

fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?


The funny thing is they're doing it wrong (again).

If they wanted to be absolute pedantic constitutionalists, they'd support stripping the USPS of its package delivery aspect and only allowing "mail" in the smallest, most literal sense: 1st class letters.

The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.
 
2014-05-09 11:11:09 PM  
Meh. Thats been the rumor for ages. Its honestly due to a congressional requirement to pay 75 years worth of pentions ahead of time.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/07/20/how-congress-is-kil li ng-the-post-office/
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

According to the National Association of Letter carriers, we're actually something along the lines of two BILLION above expenses a year.  Meaning, we aren't borrowing money from congress, we're simply not paying people who aren't born yet.
 
2014-05-09 11:12:49 PM  

whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday? has to fund it's pension for the next generation today, besides the fact the GOP critters want to give it a huge debt as a reason to kill it


fixed that for you
 
2014-05-09 11:12:51 PM  
They could pimp their trucks out like NASCAR!  Oh wait-

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-05-09 11:19:24 PM  
Hmmm, maybe if they stopped that whole prepayment to fund for health benefits for future retirees thing they might actually turn a profit....
 
2014-05-09 11:20:08 PM  
It's a make work program for the unemployable.
 
2014-05-09 11:22:47 PM  
Reduce overhead by not making/using stamps anymore.

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-09 11:23:25 PM  

MrEricSir: If it were possible I'd pull a Kramer and cancel my mail altogether. It's just food for the recycling bin at this point.


Same here.  Everything except my sewer bill since those assholes refuse to get a website to pay online, and the only reason I have to have paper checks.  I always write in the suggestions "get a website to pay bills.  It is 2014".  Hasn't worked yet...
 
2014-05-09 11:24:06 PM  
I was sure they lose money because they forced to take out a big lone to deposit for pensions ?  and that was a the paln of the big movers like DHL, UPS ect. who lobby for it
 
2014-05-09 11:26:11 PM  
you come up here like you pay the rent mutherf*farker


I wannna see the warrant
 
2014-05-09 11:26:37 PM  
Looks like the Republican plan to hand over more public services to their buddies at UPS and FedEx for massive profit is working out great.
 
2014-05-09 11:34:26 PM  

whatshisname: It's a make work program for the unemployable.


The post office employes a ton of people and pays decent middle class wages. UPS starts at like $8.50 an hour, hires part time people to avoid paying full time benefits, and they're constantly working on "efficiency" so they can employ fewer people which boosts their stock price, creating "shareholder value."

USPS has no shareholders, so even though they're turning a profit, Congress has enacted draconian pension legislation to make it appear on paper like the post office is losing money, which will allow them to justify gutting it later, laying off people, slashing salary and benefits, and destroying middle class jobs so those people can go move packages in a UPS warehouse for near minimum wage.

We have to create more wealth for a small percentage of the country on the backs of the middle class. And right here, whatshisname shows us the mindset that's driving it.
 
2014-05-09 11:35:33 PM  

whatshisname: I am a farking idiot. can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?


ftfy
 
2014-05-09 11:37:07 PM  

Boo_Guy: Reduce overhead by not making/using stamps anymore.

[img.fark.net image 498x365]


This Sabrina sounds pretty hot for the sender to go out of his way like that.
 
2014-05-09 11:39:39 PM  

TOSViolation: whatshisname: I am a farking idiot. can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

ftfy


Thanks. That was a very well constructed argument.
/do you deliver mail?
 
2014-05-09 11:41:52 PM  
The great dumping ground of patronage jobs.
 
2014-05-09 11:43:00 PM  

jaylectricity: Male is my right.


This I don't even.

Just checking the male, right?
 
2014-05-09 11:44:03 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: whatshisname: It's a make work program for the unemployable.

The post office employes a ton of people and pays decent middle class wages. UPS starts at like $8.50 an hour, hires part time people to avoid paying full time benefits, and they're constantly working on "efficiency" so they can employ fewer people which boosts their stock price, creating "shareholder value."

USPS has no shareholders, so even though they're turning a profit, Congress has enacted draconian pension legislation to make it appear on paper like the post office is losing money, which will allow them to justify gutting it later, laying off people, slashing salary and benefits, and destroying middle class jobs so those people can go move packages in a UPS warehouse for near minimum wage.

We have to create more wealth for a small percentage of the country on the backs of the middle class. And right here, whatshisname shows us the mindset that's driving it.



Indeed.  Why should the rich have to fight for their theft?  Plenty of plebs out there willing to do it for them for free.
 
2014-05-09 11:45:16 PM  
I wonder how much those other free gubermint services are losing .
 
2014-05-09 11:46:27 PM  
What this all boils down to is that private equity wants to stick its blood funnel into the postal service.  When they are done with it, they'll dump the dessicated corpse back on the public.
 
2014-05-09 11:46:27 PM  

whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?


A lot of businesses depend on Saturday service.
 
2014-05-09 11:46:34 PM  

buzzcut73: Lsherm: fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?

The postal clause does not mandate a postal service.  It's an enumerated power of congress that they have the power to regulate the postal service, including defining mail routes and designating areas for post offices.  It does not have to be a public agency (it's not) and it could be shunted off to the back of 7-11's nationwide if congress so wished.

The postal clause authorizes the creation of a postal service, it does not mandate it.

Congress is also authorized, but not required, to fund an Army, but you never hear that argument applied to the Army.
The postal service is really a form of infrastructure. Every other civilized nation has one, there isn't any good reason to hand it all over to other providers that won't do what the USPS does.


I mean, by some people, you do. It would definitely be constitutional to disband the army. Whether you should or not is a policy question. Same for the postal service.
 
2014-05-09 11:47:26 PM  
Well played  subby.
 
2014-05-09 11:48:52 PM  

ongbok: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

A lot of businesses depend on Saturday service.


Which ones?
 
2014-05-09 11:51:19 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.


I grew up on county road 900 north in Indiana so I'm getting a kick...
 
2014-05-09 11:53:32 PM  
I'm perfectly happy to pay $25 per year for access to the ability to deliver a letter or package to any human being in the entire country.
 
2014-05-09 11:57:38 PM  

whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?


People getting their crap sent via UPS Basic or Fedex Smartpost
 
2014-05-10 12:00:03 AM  
blog.uber.com

He needs to learn how to handle his money better....
 
2014-05-10 12:04:46 AM  

whatshisname: ongbok: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

A lot of businesses depend on Saturday service.

Which ones?


Anyone that is open on Saturday. Plants get parts delivered to them on Saturdays. When I worked at Chase the credit card payment department said half of the payments came in to them on Friday and Saturday.
 
2014-05-10 12:10:06 AM  

ongbok: whatshisname: ongbok: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

A lot of businesses depend on Saturday service.

Which ones?

Anyone that is open on Saturday. Plants get parts delivered to them on Saturdays. When I worked at Chase the credit card payment department said half of the payments came in to them on Friday and Saturday.


Everyone would adjust,  there's no weekend mail in USA's hat and people get along without it.

The processing centers are operating all weekend though,  it's just not being delivered to it's final destination.
 
2014-05-10 12:12:18 AM  
To paraphrase the late Senator Everett Dirksen, "a billion here and a billion there, you keep it up and sooner or later you have some real money."
 
2014-05-10 12:13:03 AM  

dugitman: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.

I grew up on county road 900 north in Indiana so I'm getting a kick...


I checked out the street view.  Damn, I can understand why meth would be popular in a place like that.
 
2014-05-10 12:13:09 AM  

ongbok: whatshisname: ongbok: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

A lot of businesses depend on Saturday service.

Which ones?

Anyone that is open on Saturday. Plants get parts delivered to them on Saturdays. When I worked at Chase the credit card payment department said half of the payments came in to them on Friday and Saturday.




Large businesses have PO Boxes at the post office to receive mail and do not wait for the mailman to slowly make his way. They send a clerk a couple of times a day. Much quicker.
 
2014-05-10 12:20:22 AM  
1.9 billion in quarters? how big is there couch???

/yes, i know
//that too
 
2014-05-10 12:33:29 AM  

simrobert2001: Meh. Thats been the rumor for ages. Its honestly due to a congressional requirement to pay 75 years worth of pentions ahead of time.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/07/20/how-congress-is-kil li ng-the-post-office/
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

According to the National Association of Letter carriers, we're actually something along the lines of two BILLION above expenses a year.  Meaning, we aren't borrowing money from congress, we're simply not paying people who aren't born yet.


Nonsense. Shouldn't we record pension expenses when we promise them?
 
2014-05-10 12:51:47 AM  
img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-10 12:56:24 AM  

whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?


We purchasers of goods from Amazon. Sunday too.
 
2014-05-10 01:03:23 AM  

buzzcut73: Every other civilized nation has one, there isn't any good reason to hand it all over to other providers that won't do what the USPS does.


Quite a few other civilized nations also have postal services that operate out of convenience stores.  It's not unheard of.  There's nothing in the constitution that says the postal service has to operate in exclusive buildings dedicated to postal services solely by employees who only provide postal services.

Personally, I think they need to keep downsizing the USPS workforce and jack the rates up just to cover the promises they've already made their employees so far.  But pretending that it can stay as big as it is now is a non-starter.  It's a service, not a jobs program.  In a way, the USPS is a victim of its own success - they are by far the most efficient postal system on earth - so as the volume of mail declines the extraneous overhead becomes readily apparent.

So my prescription is raise stamps to a dollar (the horror!), keep reducing the workforce, and in rural areas implement staff rotation across smaller post offices and limit the days they are open to the public.  My old post office in Hanover, VA did not need to be open six days a week - there was another one less than 7 miles away, and it was rarely busy.  It was exactly the kind of post office the USPS wants to shut down but congress won't let them.  If they have to stay open, cut the number of days they have to be open.
 
2014-05-10 01:27:17 AM  
Applause to subby! PS, I'm one of the few who likes Postal Union better than Death Cab For cutie (loved 'Plans', farking hated the last two).
 
2014-05-10 01:29:29 AM  

Superjew: Looks like the Republican plan to hand over more public services to their buddies at UPS and FedEx for massive profit is working out great.


Here's the rub: UPS and FedEx don't want it. They WANT the USPS to stay, so to keep their costs down. Yes folks, the USPS delivers mail for UPS and FedEx.
 
2014-05-10 01:36:55 AM  

ongbok: jaylectricity: Male is my right.

This I don't even.

Just checking the male, right?


I had nothing else, man. Just a stupid pun.
 
2014-05-10 01:43:21 AM  

People_are_Idiots: Superjew: Looks like the Republican plan to hand over more public services to their buddies at UPS and FedEx for massive profit is working out great.

Here's the rub: UPS and FedEx don't want it. They WANT the USPS to stay, so to keep their costs down. Yes folks, the USPS delivers mail for UPS and FedEx.


On top of that USPS is one of the biggest shippers on FedEx and UPS. We(I work at post office) go under and suddenly fedex and UPS need a lot more customer support to individually take care of packages instead of the bulk we do.
 
2014-05-10 01:52:00 AM  
What do you call it when you get a phone book in your mailbox? Shared Obsolescence. Embrace the digital age once and for all and dismantle the post office - we don't need it since we have email and internet. Save a few trees or some such. And holy hell people, don't ship your packages US Mail, unless you really don't care if it gets where it's going. I work for UPS, and I tell all my customers that I would much rather them use FedEx than US Mail.
 
2014-05-10 02:03:45 AM  

whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?


Apparently people who buy cheap ass retro video games, because I guarantee you many of my customers are super happy to be getting their orders two days earlier. And frankly I'm happy they're getting them faster. I ship on Saturdays as well, most of the time.

Believe me, our postal service is pretty good compared to other countries. I send stuff out internationally and about 30% of the time the buyer has to wait a really long time to get their package due to 'Customs'. Sure. Customs. Riiiight.
 
2014-05-10 02:03:49 AM  
Being the Postal Service sucks.

You have zero autonomy.  You can't raise prices.  You can't streamline operations.  You can't reduce your unprofitable coverage areas.  You can't even cut costs or lay people off.  You can't do jack-all without Congressional approval, and Congress is run by people who refuse to help fix you because they want a dysfunctional government agency as a rhetorical foil to prove why government agencies don't work.

I'm not sure why anyone accepts a job as Postmaster General.
 
2014-05-10 02:20:27 AM  
Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.
 
2014-05-10 02:46:09 AM  

Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.


They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work.  Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees.  That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.

But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money.  They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.

The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan.  Either strategy leaves the employees farked.  Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.
 
2014-05-10 03:49:19 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?

The funny thing is they're doing it wrong (again).

If they wanted to be absolute pedantic constitutionalists, they'd support stripping the USPS of its package delivery aspect and only allowing "mail" in the smallest, most literal sense: 1st class letters.

The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.


I believe it was UPS who offered to take over the letter delivery service and do it for less.  They were turned down.  Also, a long time ago Congress passed a law that forbids private letter service, so there is no competition.  The Boy Scouts had a holiday letter delivery service shut down because of that law.

I hardly pay attention to US mail.  I have a mail box I visit every few weeks, but all my bills are handled electronically, so there's really no need for it.
 
2014-05-10 05:06:51 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Applause to subby! PS, I'm one of the few who likes Postal Union better than Death Cab For cutie (loved 'Plans', farking hated the last two).


Dont you mean "The Postal Service"? And your not the only one.
 
2014-05-10 05:07:23 AM  

Lsherm: Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.

They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work.  Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees.  That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.

But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money.  They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.

The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan.  Either strategy leaves the employees farked.  Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.


That's part truth but a heavy level of bullshiat as congress mandated the post office prefund for too many years ahead in too little time despite irrefutable evidence it would not work.

The want it to fail so they can pass a law giving the mail to UPS or Fed ex or both.
 
2014-05-10 05:36:45 AM  
You know what department I'd like to see mandated to pay for itself?  DoD.
 
2014-05-10 05:44:59 AM  
buzzcut73:Congress is also authorized, but not required, to fund an Army, but you never hear that argument applied to the Army.  The postal service is really a form of infrastructure. Every other civilized nation has one, there isn't any good reason to hand it all over to other providers that won't do what the USPS does.

Which is what - lose money?  Aside from selling stamps that make neat little collectibles for home bound single men, what does the USPS do that another provider either doesn't or can't do?
 
2014-05-10 06:17:27 AM  

BumpInTheNight: You know what department I'd like to see mandated to pay for itself?  DoD.


How? Looting? Advertising on uniforms? Odd jobs on furloughs?
 
2014-05-10 06:18:07 AM  

whatshisname: It's a make work program for the unemployable.


Yep. It's full of retirees from America's other work program for the unemployable, the Army.
 
2014-05-10 06:21:11 AM  

whatshisname: ongbok: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

A lot of businesses depend on Saturday service.

Which ones?


Saturday Evening Post.
 
2014-05-10 06:27:43 AM  

inclemency: BumpInTheNight: You know what department I'd like to see mandated to pay for itself?  DoD.

How? Looting? Advertising on uniforms? Odd jobs on furloughs?


Exactly, some things just don't pay for themselves and it should be understood that they are useful despite being a cost center.  I think the USPS is one of them.
 
2014-05-10 06:28:36 AM  

Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.


The logic behind prefunding pensions must be to assure postal employees that Grandma's $10 cash birthday card to little Jimmy need not be pilfered is necessary to self-fund a retirement.

/it's not working.

//those sticky-fingered USPS employees at the Atlanta sorting facility have opened every birthday card I ever received.
 
2014-05-10 06:37:16 AM  

whatshisname: It's a make work program for the unemployable.


I could say that about your job.
 
2014-05-10 08:06:22 AM  

whatshisname: TOSViolation: whatshisname: I am a farking idiot. can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

ftfy

Thanks. That was a very well constructed argument.
/do you deliver mail?


There are plenty in this thread who made well-constructed arguments that you just ignored. Then you complain that this guy calls you a farking idiot, without addressing any of them.

So I'd say he was pretty right to call you a farking idiot.
 
2014-05-10 08:11:51 AM  

grimlock1972: Lsherm: Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.

They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work.  Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees.  That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.

But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money.  They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.

The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan.  Either strategy leaves the employees farked.  Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.

That's part truth but a heavy level of bullshiat as congress mandated the post office prefund for too many years ahead in too little time despite irrefutable evidence it would not work.

The want it to fail so they can pass a law giving the mail to UPS or Fed ex or both.



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-postal-serv ic e/11433/

Actually, it would cost something like 8.95 for UPS and FedEx to deliver letters. I heard a  rumor that UPS did a cost analysis, and it would be upwards of 15.00 for a single letter, just across the street.

Hell, i just did it for a .3 pound package, and the only service they will offer me is 2nd day air.  It was 16.95, for something .3 pounds.

what were you saying about them doing it for less?
 
SH
2014-05-10 08:41:27 AM  

oukewldave: Same here.  Everything except my sewer bill since those assholes refuse to get a website to pay online, and the only reason I have to have paper checks.  I always write in the suggestions "get a website to pay bills.  It is 2014".  Hasn't worked yet...



1. Get a bank that has an online bill pay
2. Set up a payment for your sewer payee
3. Pay your bill monthly
4. Don't Profit!

Is it really not obvious?
 
2014-05-10 08:46:17 AM  

King Something: Because a government service which is about as old as the country itself is not allowed to operate without a profit motive. This is why the Marines refused to take out the pirates at Tripoli and why the State Department doesn't have an embassy in Iceland.


FTA: the Postal Service owes $99.8 billion in benefit payments to its current and retired workers, including $16.7 billion of congressionally mandated payments into a future retiree health care fund. A 2006 law requires the service to fund its future retirees' health benefits, amounting to a $5 billion payment each year for 10 years.

That's why the Postal service posts annual losses these days; because Republicans in Congress have mandated it fully fund its future health benefits for employees in the present(defeating the entire purpose of amortization while also, conveniently, stuffing the Post Office full of Public Revenues to be looted when they finally manage to get the service privatized). If the Post Office were allowed to be run like any other Public Service or Semi-Public Entity(think your local transit service) it'd be doing the equivalent of turning a profit(public businesses rarely report making money, but this is a matter of politics rather than efficient management; If an agency doesn't use all of its budget and revenue for a year Legislatures often respond by cutting its budget and taking its revenue[usually to give it to some well connected shiatheel], so public agencies need to spend pretty much everything they make before the end of fiscal year just to keep their service level where it is), but the Republicans in Congress have literally made it illegal for them to do that because 1)they don't want the Post Office being a clear example that the Gov can run a large scale service well and 2)lots of Republican backers want to loot the service.

We see the same thing with Legislative meddling in Amtrack. They cut their maintenance budget to the bone to increase the likelihood of accidents then blame the agency when it happens; they appoint people they view as industry friendly apparatchiks to run it and then fight like devils to get rid of them with they don't play ball with dismantling it; and frequently require it to provide services no other transit business has to and which they believe can't possibly be profitable, only to get pissed off when Amtrak manages to fulfill those obligations and stay within budget.

Tl:dr: Republicans are bastards, and if a gov program has problems, it's probably because Republicans fought tooth and nail to create those problems in the first place.
 
2014-05-10 08:46:37 AM  
A few things the Post Office should really be allowed to do:

-stop overfunding pensions
-raise the price of first class letters to nearly reflect the actual cost of sending them
-do like postal services overseas by allowing post office to offer money making services like selling SIM cards/cell phone plans, and basic savings accounts.
 
2014-05-10 09:00:51 AM  
At a fed ex store the other day, people complained about price and they said go to the usps. Can't best them!
 
2014-05-10 09:01:41 AM  

skinink: A few things the Post Office should really be allowed to do:

-stop overfunding pensions
-raise the price of first class letters to nearly reflect the actual cost of sending them
-do like postal services overseas by allowing post office to offer money making services like selling SIM cards/cell phone plans, and basic savings accounts.


One other I'd add is be allowed to drop "door-to-door" (and suburban/rural "box-by-box") service in favor of much more efficient 'cluster boxes' or post office boxes.  This is something you see in any US neighborhood built in the last 25 years and Canada is going to nationwide.  For all the talk about 'Constitutional mandate', there was no to-the-address delivery in most US cities until the 1870s and most rural addresses until 1900 or so.
 
2014-05-10 09:09:11 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Applause to subby! PS, I'm one of the few who likes Postal Union better than Death Cab For cutie (loved 'Plans', farking hated the last two).


Yeah, but old-school Death Cab fans don't consider anything after 'Plans' (or even 'Transatlanticism,' or 'The Photo Album' if they're really douchy) relevant anyway, so.

Death Cab was a good band at their best, and I'm not going to compare a band with a 15+ year history to a one-off side project. But as someone who loved both 'Give Up' and 'Transatlanticism' ten years ago, I can't argue that the Postal Service album has held up better over time. I still listen to that one on a regular basis.

And I'll add another bravo for subby.
 
2014-05-10 09:12:37 AM  
No. It's not a loss. It's how much they spent providing a valuable service.

How much profit does the Marine Corps make? The fire department? How about the public school system?

Not everything needs to have a profit motive.
 
2014-05-10 09:18:40 AM  

Lsherm: Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.

They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work.  Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees.  That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.

But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money.  They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.

The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan.  Either strategy leaves the employees farked.  Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.


Or we could just say that having a working postal service is in the national interest and that it doesn't have to operate at a profit or break-even.

/like Death Cab
//not a big fan of The Postal Service from what I've caught on Pandora
 
2014-05-10 09:22:50 AM  

hooligan sidekick: kling_klang_bed: Applause to subby! PS, I'm one of the few who likes Postal Union better than Death Cab For cutie (loved 'Plans', farking hated the last two).

Yeah, but old-school Death Cab fans don't consider anything after 'Plans' (or even 'Transatlanticism,' or 'The Photo Album' if they're really douchy) relevant anyway, so.

Death Cab was a good band at their best, and I'm not going to compare a band with a 15+ year history to a one-off side project. But as someone who loved both 'Give Up' and 'Transatlanticism' ten years ago, I can't argue that the Postal Service album has held up better over time. I still listen to that one on a regular basis.

And I'll add another bravo for subby.


I have to dig out my copy of 'Plans' as is. Damn, haven't listened to that in at least 5 years.
 
2014-05-10 09:35:45 AM  

jaerik: Being the Postal Service sucks.

You have zero autonomy.  You can't raise prices.  You can't streamline operations.  You can't reduce your unprofitable coverage areas.  You can't even cut costs or lay people off.  You can't do jack-all without Congressional approval, and Congress is run by people who refuse to help fix you because they want a dysfunctional government agency as a rhetorical foil to prove why government agencies don't work.

I'm not sure why anyone accepts a job as Postmaster General.


^This^

The USPS has proposed all sorts of plans to bring it in line with the realities of the 21st century only to be shot down continuously by congress thereby guaranteeing it will fail.   The post office where my parents live is a perfect example.  That post office originally served two towns....my parents' town and the next town over.  In the late seventies the volume of mail exceeded the capacity of that postal facility....the place was built in 1960.  The USPS built a new, much larger facility, in the next town and announced that the old facility would be closed.  The new PO was less than one mile from the old facility.  The geezers in my parents' town went berserk.  They screamed at the town council meeting that the new postal facility was too far for them, even though it was less than a mile away, and they all have cars.....I've never seen anyone actually walk to the old facility.    The mayor of the town contacted the the state representative, who in turn contacted the congressman for that district, who in turn got on the Post Office's ass about not closing that old PO location.

Bottom line:  The counter at the old PO has been open for 30 years now while the rest of the facilitate is a rotting hulk.  There is one postal clerk working that counter to serve 20 postal customers a day.   I can't even imagine how much money has been wasted on this thing over 30 years because some dessicated old crones didn't want to drive an extra 3 minutes to mail in the Kibbles 'n Bits $1 rebate form.
 
2014-05-10 09:38:52 AM  

fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?


The Post Office is not constitutionally mandated.  The Constitution states that Congress *has the authority* to establish a Post Office.  The two are mutually exclusive.
 
2014-05-10 09:39:15 AM  

OgreMagi: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?

The funny thing is they're doing it wrong (again).

If they wanted to be absolute pedantic constitutionalists, they'd support stripping the USPS of its package delivery aspect and only allowing "mail" in the smallest, most literal sense: 1st class letters.

The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.

I believe it was UPS who offered to take over the letter delivery service and do it for less.  They were turned down.  Also, a long time ago Congress passed a law that forbids private letter service, so there is no competition.  The Boy Scouts had a holiday letter delivery service shut down because of that law.


[citation needed]
 
2014-05-10 09:42:21 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Applause to subby! PS, I'm one of the few who likes Postal Union better than Death Cab For cutie (loved 'Plans', farking hated the last two).


You couldn't have liked them that much, considering they're called The Postal Service, not Postal Union...

/Plans and Transatlanticism were both quite excellent.
 
2014-05-10 09:45:07 AM  

Gary-L: fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?

The Post Office is not constitutionally mandated.  The Constitution states that Congress *has the authority* to establish a Post Office.  The two are mutually exclusive.


The courts have ruled on that.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Clause#Interpretation
 
2014-05-10 09:48:35 AM  
So its OK to blow $700b a year on a military, but supporting our economy in a hundred different ways by moving letters and goods around our country isnt worth $8b a year.

Got it.
 
2014-05-10 09:53:39 AM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: kling_klang_bed: Applause to subby! PS, I'm one of the few who likes Postal Union better than Death Cab For cutie (loved 'Plans', farking hated the last two).

You couldn't have liked them that much, considering they're called The Postal Service, not Postal Union...

/Plans and Transatlanticism were both quite excellent.


DOH! It's been years, and I'm tired. Sue Me. :-p
 
2014-05-10 09:59:34 AM  

Alonjar: So its OK to blow $700b a year on a military, but supporting our economy in a hundred different ways by moving letters and goods around our country isnt worth $8b a year.

Got it.


Why do you hate freedom?
 
2014-05-10 10:10:11 AM  
How much did the navy profit last year?

ffs.
 
2014-05-10 10:20:31 AM  

Fissile: Why do you hate freedom?


It just isnt as profitable.
 
2014-05-10 10:30:39 AM  

buzzcut73: Lsherm: fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?

The postal clause does not mandate a postal service.  It's an enumerated power of congress that they have the power to regulate the postal service, including defining mail routes and designating areas for post offices.  It does not have to be a public agency (it's not) and it could be shunted off to the back of 7-11's nationwide if congress so wished.

The postal clause authorizes the creation of a postal service, it does not mandate it.

Congress is also authorized, but not required, to fund an Army, but you never hear that argument applied to the Army.
The postal service is really a form of infrastructure. Every other civilized nation has one, there isn't any good reason to hand it all over to other providers that won't do what the USPS does.


Sure. Doesn't change the fact that there's no Constitutional requirement for a Post Office.
 
2014-05-10 10:32:38 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: simrobert2001: Meh. Thats been the rumor for ages. Its honestly due to a congressional requirement to pay 75 years worth of pentions ahead of time.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/07/20/how-congress-is-kil li ng-the-post-office/
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

According to the National Association of Letter carriers, we're actually something along the lines of two BILLION above expenses a year.  Meaning, we aren't borrowing money from congress, we're simply not paying people who aren't born yet.

Nonsense. Shouldn't we record pension expenses when we promise them?


Your assertion is that we've promised things to people who haven't been born yet?
 
2014-05-10 10:37:42 AM  

peterquince: No. It's not a loss. It's how much they spent providing a valuable service.

How much profit does the Marine Corps make? The fire department? How about the public school system?

Not everything needs to have a profit motive.


But in the case of the Marine Corps and the fire department it's hard to charge people. You can only do it via taxes.

Why shouldn't people pay the full price for posting a letter? All you're actually doing by subsidising the postal service is subsidising post over more efficient forms of communication like email.
 
2014-05-10 10:41:18 AM  
Eliminate all government pensions.  Let the public vote it out.   Why in the fark am I paying taxes to support some dumbass letter carrier's retirement?

Sorry, just kidding...
 
2014-05-10 10:51:59 AM  
Let us remember who the real enemy is,,,
CONGRESS, not the Post Office.

Stay on Target, Grasshopper.
 
2014-05-10 11:16:39 AM  

whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?


"I don't need it, so let's get rid of it!"

Some of us do need this service, mainly because our workweeks overlap the weekend and Saturdays are important delivery days.
Try thinking outside your own head.
 
2014-05-10 11:28:32 AM  

dugitman: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.

I grew up on county road 900 north in Indiana so I'm getting a kick...


700s road in Lebanon, IN for me. At the time it didn't seem weird to have that as an address.
 
2014-05-10 11:53:13 AM  
All they need to do is charge their actual costs to the junk mailers.  Instead we're as a people subsidizing exactly what we don't want.  Expensive recycling bin fodder.

Remember, they do actually charge the junk mailers some small amount of money, it probably covers quite a bit of the cost.  So, on the whole, they spend probably 10 billion per quarter delivering junk mail and take in maybe 5 billion to do it.

They make a profit on important mail.  Overall they lose money because they want to give such a steep volume discount that they lose money on every "sale" (but they make it up in volume!!)
 
2014-05-10 12:16:10 PM  

lelio: dugitman: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The big companies don't want to have to deliver one phone bill to Uncle Jerry out on county road 900 north.

I grew up on county road 900 north in Indiana so I'm getting a kick...

700s road in Lebanon, IN for me. At the time it didn't seem weird to have that as an address.


Hilarious. You may know my buddy Jay Albertson. We're both Purdue '91 tho I think you're a bit younger.
 
2014-05-10 12:18:28 PM  

walkerhound: Aside from selling stamps that make neat little collectibles for home bound single men, what does the USPS do that another provider either doesn't or can't do?


How about deliver any size package, envelope or parcel to any place in the continental united states or its territories that has an address - even to people in homeless shelters - six days a week? FedEx and UPS won't/can't do that because it's not profitable enough for their shareholders, and if anything they get needs to be delivered to Mooseballs, Wyoming (pop 3) they... drop it in the US Mail. Even the farking Unabomber could get mail.
 
2014-05-10 12:22:02 PM  

simrobert2001: Meh. Thats been the rumor for ages. Its honestly due to a congressional requirement to pay 75 years worth of pentions ahead of time.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/07/20/how-congress-is-kil li ng-the-post-office/
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45018432

According to the National Association of Letter carriers, we're actually something along the lines of two BILLION above expenses a year.  Meaning, we aren't borrowing money from congress, we're simply not paying people who aren't born yet.


You can almost hear congress critters licking their lips at re-appropriating those funds to their district.

Breaking a government mandated system and then stealing the money; priceless.
 
2014-05-10 12:25:25 PM  

BumpInTheNight: inclemency: BumpInTheNight: You know what department I'd like to see mandated to pay for itself?  DoD.

How? Looting? Advertising on uniforms? Odd jobs on furloughs?

Exactly, some things just don't pay for themselves and it should be understood that they are useful despite being a cost center.  I think the USPS is one of them.


I agree completely.
 
2014-05-10 12:30:26 PM  
What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).
 
2014-05-10 12:30:28 PM  
I used to use Fedex exclusively, after talking to my mail carrier a bit I switched to USPS - it gets there slighty faster, slightly cheaper, and I feel better about supporting vital infrastructure. I only use UPS for things that my customers want shipped out by drone tank, simply because the UPS office is within drone tank range.

/drone tank
// https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urs68vf7ZFY
 
2014-05-10 12:32:36 PM  

simrobert2001: what were you saying about them doing it for less?


No one was saying anything about them doing it for less.  Way to follow the conversation, sparky.

rewind2846: whatshisname: I can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

"I don't need it, so let's get rid of it!"

Some of us do need this service, mainly because our workweeks overlap the weekend and Saturdays are important delivery days.
Try thinking outside your own head.


The first proposal for cutting out a day of delivery was Tuesday, which is the lowest volume delivery day.

I could settle for Tuesday.
 
2014-05-10 12:34:52 PM  

fusillade762: Congress's plan to kill a constitutionally mandated service appears to be working. Why does Congress hate the Constitution?


The Constitution gives Congress the authority to establish a post office, but does not require it.
 
2014-05-10 12:38:45 PM  

EngineerAU: What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).


They haven't made that payment in 3 years. They are in default on that, they've borrowed $15 billion to stay afloat and they can't qualify for any more loans, so a "miraculous turnaround" only exists in the heads of morons who aren't following the finances.

Without raising rates the USPS is doomed.  The real scandal isn't that congress made them fund promises they made for their labor contracts, it's that they won't let them raise rates.  Remember, those pensions you idiots are bleating on about go to real people.  If the USPS doesn't fund them then the employees get farked.

It amazes me that Fark liberals can biatch about Detroit public employees getting screwed because the city went bankrupt and then turn around and complain that the USPS is being forced to honor the pension promises they made in labor contracts.  Do you understand how pension plans work, and why the old model will not work for the USPS?  Until 2006 their "plan" for funding pensions was to have an ever-expanding workforce cover the increasing costs of pension payouts.  Guess what isn't expanding?
 
2014-05-10 12:39:02 PM  
Is there a respectable first-world country out there that doesn't have a non-private postal service equivalent?
 
2014-05-10 01:13:10 PM  

EngineerAU: What are the Republicans going to do when the post office gets to the level of seventy five years of prepaid pensions? IIRC, they're only a couple of years away from that point. If USPS can hold on until then, they're going to have a "miraculous turnaround" which whoever is in power will be credit for. Are they assuming they'll be in control of the government by then or hoping the losses will collapse USPS before then. It really doesn't look like long term thinking (which wouldn't be surprising for the GOP).


Au contraire, plan is rolling and trickling right along.
USPS and it's sweet, sweet plan will sell well as soon as GOP wrests control once again.
Maybe Rick Scott or sum like.
 
2014-05-10 01:30:16 PM  

Iszael: All they need to do is charge their actual costs to the junk mailers.  Instead we're as a people subsidizing exactly what we don't want.  Expensive recycling bin fodder.

Remember, they do actually charge the junk mailers some small amount of money, it probably covers quite a bit of the cost.  So, on the whole, they spend probably 10 billion per quarter delivering junk mail and take in maybe 5 billion to do it.

They make a profit on important mail.  Overall they lose money because they want to give such a steep volume discount that they lose money on every "sale" (but they make it up in volume!!)


You're making the mistaken assumption that its all "junk" mail and not relevant local advertising which directly fuels your local businesses.

Yes, you throw away the majority of it... but back when I worked retail and checkout at automotive shops etc, a very significant portion of our customers came in with those coupons and advertised sales etc that you for whatever reason assume are completely useless.
 
2014-05-10 03:43:50 PM  
FTA -

"Given these positive trends, it would be irresponsible to degrade services to the public, which would drive away mail - and revenue - and stop the postal turnaround in its tracks," Mr. Rolando said.

If it was up to me, as most things should be, here is how it would go:

Ok........Rolando.

The postal service now belongs to the union.  It's yours, lock stock and barrel.  The United States taxpayer is out of the post office business.  Good luck.

This is actually one problem that is very easy to solve.
 
2014-05-10 06:14:51 PM  
rewind2846:  How about deliver any size package, envelope or parcel to any place in the continental united states or its territories that has an address - even to people in homeless shelters - six days a week? FedEx and UPS won't/can't do that because it's not profitable enough for their shareholders, and if anything they get needs to be delivered to Mooseballs, Wyoming (pop 3) they... drop it in the US Mail. Even the farking Unabomber could get mail.

Well maybe that should be the model, then.  The USPS gets out of delivering mail across the country and focuses on delivering the mail from the Mooseball post office to Dick Cheney and back.  Let the company that knows enough to avoid left hand turns handle the rest.
 
2014-05-10 06:18:59 PM  
Why don't we cut back at home mail delivery to 3 days a week? (excluding packages). If you need your regular letter mail sooner, pick it up at a post office.

Just raise the price of a stamp to $1.00 already. This 2 and 3 cent hikes every couple years is retarded.
 
2014-05-10 08:01:12 PM  

simrobert2001: grimlock1972: Lsherm: Revmachine21: Congress mandated that the Post Office forward fund future pension obligations for the future 75 years, for the employees that will (but not currently) hired. Or as somebody above said, even born today.

No other private or public organization suffers under such mandate.

It's partisan bullshiat at work.

They did that because the USPS hadn't funded their pensions properly and their plan of counting on an ever-expanding postal service to cover the spread in the future was flat-out not going to work.  Traditional pension programs used current employees to pay for current retirees.  That doesn't work if your total workforce is shrinking.

But it doesn't matter - the USPS hasn't made that payment in three years, and they are still losing money.  They have a larger issue than not just being able to cover their own promises to labor pensions, they are barely breaking even making payroll.

The liberal plan for the post office seems to be ignoring the pension problem until there has to be an unprecedented bailout, and the conservative plan seems to be to kill the USPS before they can make good on the pension plan.  Either strategy leaves the employees farked.  Postal rates need to be grossly adjusted upward just to cover existing promises, and the labor force still needs to shrink.

That's part truth but a heavy level of bullshiat as congress mandated the post office prefund for too many years ahead in too little time despite irrefutable evidence it would not work.

The want it to fail so they can pass a law giving the mail to UPS or Fed ex or both.


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-postal-serv ic e/11433/

Actually, it would cost something like 8.95 for UPS and FedEx to deliver letters. I heard a  rumor that UPS did a cost analysis, and it would be upwards of 15.00 for a single letter, just across the street.

Hell, i just did it for a .3 pound package, and the only service they will offer me is 2nd day air.  It ...


I agree with you they would want to jack the price way the hell up.
 
2014-05-10 10:51:47 PM  

MBZ321: Why don't we cut back at home mail delivery to 3 days a week? (excluding packages). If you need your regular letter mail sooner, pick it up at a post office.

Just raise the price of a stamp to $1.00 already. This 2 and 3 cent hikes every couple years is retarded.


Funny thing. I'm waiting for a $5k check from an estate thing. I don't care what day of the week it is when it comes, I want it NOW...
 
2014-05-11 01:29:58 AM  

whatshisname: TOSViolation: whatshisname: I am a farking idiot. can never understand why the US Postal Service still delivers on Saturday. Who the hell needs mail on Saturday?

ftfy

Thanks. That was a very well constructed argument.
/do you deliver mail?


And I'm certain "who the hell needs mail on saturday" is a compelling argument. How about this-

Not doing saturday deliveries prohibits people from getting their checks in the mail or other needed goods and documents. Removing saturday service would just create overtime for monday and thereby create an even bigger expense.

There you go. If you took time to try to understand the subject, then people might not call you an idiot.
 
2014-05-11 07:39:34 AM  

viscountalpha: And I'm certain "who the hell needs mail on saturday" is a compelling argument. How about this-

Not doing saturday deliveries prohibits people from getting their checks in the mail or other needed goods and documents. Removing saturday service would just create overtime for monday and thereby create an even bigger expense.

There you go. If you took time to try to understand the subject, then people might not call you an idiot.


Canada as a nation and likely many many others survive without weekend national mail or commercial delivery services operating.  We don't collapse at the lack of receiving those services, man up you nancies and plan ahead better.  Also if someone desperately needs a check on saturday that they cannot wait until monday then they fail at finances and need to reevaluate their monetary skills.  As for the overtime I'm kind of doubting these delivery people are pushing to the hilt as it is, in fact I get the impression they could probably carry all the junk mail they currently do in half the trips.

No, seriously weekend deliveries has spoiled you and its contributing to the bankruption your postal service (though that forced pension crap is the bigger cause).  Help it out and give up your cherished junk mail delivery and go get direct deposit or something if you really need your macdonalds check for saturday night that desperately.
 
2014-05-11 08:44:48 AM  

spiral_fishcake: What do you call it when you get a phone book in your mailbox? Shared Obsolescence. Embrace the digital age once and for all and dismantle the post office - we don't need it since we have email and internet. Save a few trees or some such. And holy hell people, don't ship your packages US Mail, unless you really don't care if it gets where it's going. I work for UPS, and I tell all my customers that I would much rather them use FedEx than US Mail.


LOL, there's a reason why you work at UPS...
 
2014-05-11 11:37:20 AM  
If they wanted to improve, I'd suggest hiring English speakers of average intelligence with something approaching a work ethic.

That would be a good start.
 
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