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(Breitbart.com)   Obamacare has made medical care so affordable that Californians are traveling to Tijuana for things other than the Donkey Shows because it's cheaper   (breitbart.com) divider line 51
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2014-05-10 12:12:02 AM  
8 votes:
FTA: "A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily. "

Obamacare (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) was signed into law by Fartbongo on March 23, 2010.

Your blog sucks!
2014-05-10 12:47:31 AM  
6 votes:
One 2009 study by Wallace found that nearly half a million Mexican immigrants living in California receive medical, dental or prescription services every year south of the border.

So let's see.

A study done FOUR YEARS before ACA went into effect found that 500,000 Mexican immigrants (legal? illegal? doesn't say) living near the border received some type of medical services in Mexico annually.

Here's what it doesn't say.

How many American citizens (not Mexican immigrants) living near the border receive some type of medical services in Mexico annually? Why do they go to Mexico as opposed to getting services in the US? Because their doctors are there and they'd rather stay with their old doctor than go through the hassle of finding a new one? Because prescriptions are notoriously cheaper in Mexico than in the US? Because a lot of 1st generation immigrants still have prejudices about going to doctors and prefer to see pharmacists for their routine ailments and only go to doctors for "emergencies"?

Here's also what it doesn't say: Why is this bad? If they're getting care, are satisfied with the quality, and are not stressing US healthcare facilities or insurance, why does anybody care?
2014-05-09 07:59:21 PM  
6 votes:
Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?
2014-05-10 12:56:02 AM  
5 votes:

Mentat: Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?

I thought it was ObamaCare.


I have been collecting SOME of the many complaints about Obamacare.

The GOP Plan
The GOP has not officially released their health care plan, but we have been able to figure out some of the details by listening to their complaints about Obamacare.

1) Your rates can never go up.  You will pay the same or less than what you are currently paying.
2) You never have to change doctors, in fact, doctors will be required to take you as a patient.
3) You can never be dropped or denied for pre-existing conditions.
4) Birth control is covered for free.
5) All doctors will be in all networks
6) The government website with details about this plan will be available 24 x 7 x 365. It will work flawlessly on day one and never be slow, no matter how many people try to use it at one time.
7) Insurance companies will be banned from ever dropping a plan.
8) Only 8 million people signed up for Obamacare, the GOP plan would have many many more people covered.
9) Some number of people lost their coverage, that will be undone with GOPcare. They will get their old plans back, at the same premium.
10) All medicines will be covered, no matter what the cost.

No seriously.
We have been told, over and over, that these are the TERRIBLE things about Obamacare.
And the GOP keeps telling us that they will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.
Right?

/left me know here or in email any major GOP PLAN features that I might have left out.
2014-05-09 08:32:51 PM  
5 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


I thought it was ObamaCare.
2014-05-09 07:56:21 PM  
5 votes:

SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?


No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."
2014-05-09 07:53:58 PM  
5 votes:
By cheap health care they mean over the counter vicodin
2014-05-09 07:50:55 PM  
4 votes:
Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?
2014-05-10 12:41:08 AM  
3 votes:

nmrsnr: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."


This is obviously concern trolling, like republicans give a rat's arse about Mexican immigrants anyway.  They only thing most republicans I personally know want for them is a one-way trip back to Mexico.  If this is all they have to use against Obamacare at this point, they might as well pack that shiat up now, because they're done.
2014-05-09 11:30:36 PM  
3 votes:
To be fair, the only reason Republicans really want to go to Mexico is to pick up adolescent prostitutes, because Republicans like sexually abusing children, and they have an easier time getting away with it in Mexico.

The above statement has just as much veracity as anything ever posted on Breitbart. And anyone who believes anything posted on Breitbart is probably a child molester, just like Andrew Breitbart.
2014-05-10 03:14:26 PM  
2 votes:

tbeatty: Complete BS.  Those plans were not acceptable to ACA standards.  They need healthy young men paying for low deductible, full coverage plans.  They needed healthy 50-60 y/o men and women doing the same thing.  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


$5000 deductibles are illegal?  Someone should tell healthcare.gov because this was one of the plans they offered me:

s10.postimg.org


Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.

If you have a high deductible health plan, you are basically never expecting to reach your out of pocket maximum, so the details there are somewhat irrelevant.  If you actually anticipate needing $20,000 in medical care you should be opting for a platinum plan.

Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.
2014-05-10 01:07:38 PM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


Democrats don't campaign on the idea that deficits are always bad mmmkay, and are actually in favor of raising taxes to pay for basic farking social services... while Republicans want to pay for wars with credit cards and drop taxes for the super rich.

Considering you entered this thread bemoaning Mexican citizens getting medical treatment in Mexico instead of taking American resources away from Americans it's pretty clear you're just looking for flimsy, even retardedly untrue reasons to talk smack about anything Obama or Democrat or liberal. Get a new gimmick, yours is lame and obvious.
2014-05-10 10:26:57 AM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP.


Objection, complete strawman. Democrats propose budget after budget in this administration that lowers the deficit by the CBO score. The GOP shot every one down because they don't want to raise taxes. The GOP is for a deficit as long as they don't have to raise taxes on the top 1%.
2014-05-10 10:20:24 AM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


Strange, I remember there was a president between the two Bushes when deficits went down. Indded some say we actually had a small surplus. I wonder what party that President belonged to.
2014-05-10 01:32:25 AM  
2 votes:
jjorsett:  Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due."
- Dick Cheney to Paul O'Neill, former Bush Treasury Secretary

Nope, they apparently don't matter then either.
2014-05-10 12:40:55 AM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker.


Except that the non-Breitbart article talks about older immigrants but don't let that get in the way of your derp.
2014-05-10 12:19:21 AM  
2 votes:

Triple Oak: Super-concerned Republican media outlet asking people who travel across borders if they have Obamacare (even though it's not possible to "have Obamacare").

Yep, that's believable. I'd run with it.


The commercials for the GOP primary have taken the odd strategy of the candidates trying to out-derp each other IN OREGON. My favorite bit is "My opponent supports government approved healthcare" line, in a sinister sounding voice that sneers out "government approved."

I guess that means I shouldn't get in my truck with its NHTSA "government approved" safety features to pick up some USDA "government approved" e. Coil free hamburgers.
2014-05-09 11:59:26 PM  
2 votes:

buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.


What health care reform in this country has yet to properly address, is the completely farking retarded concept that dental insurance should be separate from all other medical care.
2014-05-09 11:56:59 PM  
2 votes:
So Mexican citizens living and working in the US near the border go to Mexico where they have public healthcare instead of paying out of pocket to go to the doctor in the US?

And this is somehow an indictment of Obamacare?
2014-05-09 11:08:08 PM  
2 votes:
Uh, what? How is this new? How is this even bad? Mexican immigrants are seeking care in Mexico instead of using scarce resources here, lowering the prices for nonimmigrants. How is this at all bad?
2014-05-09 09:47:09 PM  
2 votes:
i believe medical tourism has been going on for quite some time, concernmitter.
2014-05-11 01:50:20 AM  
1 votes:

tbeatty: Sounds about right for you.


Not really. But I will say that you just shat up this thread pretty awful by making a shiatload of unsubstantiated claims. It's a pretty weird way to post, just saying. Not sure how you think you're going to get some kind of superior position across by consistently posting like a paranoid pathological liar.

Sorry that liberals irritate you so much. Well, not really.
2014-05-10 07:18:03 PM  
1 votes:

tbeatty: Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.

I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.


Why do you have a problem with the free market selecting companies to go bankrupt?
2014-05-10 06:54:26 PM  
1 votes:

tbeatty: Must be grandfathered plan or they issued another "delay."  The maximum deductible for individuals is $2,000 in 2014.  $6350 is the max out of pocket for 2014.


It's clearly not a grandfathered plan unless the exchange intends for me to purchase it via time travel.  That rule is the maximum deductible for small group plans.That does not apply to individual plans, nor to large group plans.

tbeatty: I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.


That's a platinum plan.  I found a comparable one on the exchange for $400/month.  Since I'm healthy that kind of plan would be a total waste, but you can buy them (and in fact that's the kind of plan I'd get if I were sick and needed to buy my own healthcare).
2014-05-10 06:01:54 PM  
1 votes:
tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.
2014-05-10 02:27:36 PM  
1 votes:
6 months ago: "What happened to 'if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor?'"
Now:  "Holy shiat, Mexicans are keeping the doctors that they like!"
2014-05-10 02:02:41 PM  
1 votes:

tbeatty: There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


They're called Bronze plans and no they aren't.
2014-05-10 01:36:29 PM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.

That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.


You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.
2014-05-10 01:13:59 PM  
1 votes:
People have been doing this for decades.
2014-05-10 12:28:03 PM  
1 votes:
A woman born in Mexico, goes to her family doctor in the Mexican village where her family lives.

Thanks Obama!
2014-05-10 12:18:03 PM  
1 votes:
www.mememaker.net
2014-05-10 11:10:29 AM  
1 votes:
I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.
2014-05-10 10:14:34 AM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Die quickly, unless you're rich.
2014-05-10 09:28:40 AM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


*ahem* Iraq war.

How many people could have been insured for life with the "unexpected" trillion or so we spent on that adventure?
2014-05-10 08:59:26 AM  
1 votes:
My mother in law had to get crowns on 8 teeth at $2,500 a pop.  Her Canadian dental plan only covered $2,500 a year so she got one done.  She made a vacation of it and went to China for the other 7 which I think were about $400 each.  The trip cost her about $5K.

So instead of $17,500 for crowns.  She paid about $7,800 ($10K in savings) and got a nice free trip out of it as well.  A year after that, one crown failed (the one she had done in Canada).
2014-05-10 05:21:13 AM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


Why is it you lie every time you post? What is it with Republicans and their pathological need to lie?
2014-05-10 04:58:17 AM  
1 votes:
" However, according to  USA Today, "Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

WTF.

If Obamacare is so bad, why do the farktards need to grasp at bullshiat like this?
2014-05-10 01:38:41 AM  
1 votes:
I guess being able to speak to your doctor in Spanish might have some up side.
2014-05-10 01:07:38 AM  
1 votes:
Ummmmm, isn't EVERYTHING cheaper in Mexico.
2014-05-10 01:05:50 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


1. You could have checked provider availability before buying insurance that locked you in to a list of preferred providers that aren't taking patients.

2. For routine office visits, just self-pay and go wherever.  Insurance is really there to protect you from having to pay for the $60,000 hospitalization, not the $60 office visit.
2014-05-10 01:05:33 AM  
1 votes:

Petey4335: Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.

So did I. Until april 1 I was 'covered' by a high deductable (3.5k) HSA plan under WI HIRSP plan because I was denied private insuance due to flat feet. My wife was also under the same plan due to her various health issues. My 3 kids are guarenteed medicaid until they 18 because they are former foster children. Under our new plan, thanks to the health exchanges, the wife and I are on a PPO which costs so much less than the old plan, without a subdidy, because I make enough to support my family enough, so my wife can stay home and homeschool to bring our kids up to the academic level of their peers, that we also can afford vision ( all 5 of us wear glasses) and dental, for all 5 of us,for cheaper than what we paid before, and the PPO covers more.

I saw my PCD last monday for a physical. He even congradulated me on the new plan. Then again, my PCD is awesome. Doesn't talk down to me. Explains in detail. Shows me everything he inputs and reports on his laptop.

/please escuse typos and such. Im on the nook.


Have you noticed that for EVER GOP scare story there are 1000s of AWESOME stories like this?
THANKS OBAMACARE!!!
Strange, why did the GOP think that calling it OBAMACARE would be an insult?
Now it will become its official name!
2014-05-10 01:02:59 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


So did I. Until april 1 I was 'covered' by a high deductable (3.5k) HSA plan under WI HIRSP plan because I was denied private insuance due to flat feet. My wife was also under the same plan due to her various health issues. My 3 kids are guarenteed medicaid until they 18 because they are former foster children. Under our new plan, thanks to the health exchanges, the wife and I are on a PPO which costs so much less than the old plan, without a subdidy, because I make enough to support my family enough, so my wife can stay home and homeschool to bring our kids up to the academic level of their peers, that we also can afford vision ( all 5 of us wear glasses) and dental, for all 5 of us,for cheaper than what we paid before, and the PPO covers more.

I saw my PCD last monday for a physical. He even congradulated me on the new plan. Then again, my PCD is awesome. Doesn't talk down to me. Explains in detail. Shows me everything he inputs and reports on his laptop.

/please escuse typos and such. Im on the nook.
2014-05-10 01:01:20 AM  
1 votes:
Yes, because Californians going across the border for healthcare totally wasn't a thing until the ACA went into effect, right? F*ck these right wing propagandists. They're the same ones that claim Canadians love coming to the US for healthcare and would totally switch their system for ours if they could. Farking retarded.
2014-05-10 12:47:38 AM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?
2014-05-09 11:47:14 PM  
1 votes:
I grew up in Southern California. This is absolutely nothing new; it's been going on as long as I've been on this Earth. I'm starting to think Republicans believe the world was created as-is on January 20th, 2009.
2014-05-09 11:28:19 PM  
1 votes:
It was also common to go to Canada back in the day. I went there in the 90's to get an opinion on Lasik becuase it was much cheaper there than here. Couldn't get the surgery but i did get some Cubans.
2014-05-09 11:12:18 PM  
1 votes:
Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.
2014-05-09 11:09:10 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


That has nothing to do with Obamacare.
2014-05-09 10:42:20 PM  
1 votes:
I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.
2014-05-09 09:37:30 PM  
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.


You can imagine the desperation around whatever counts for a boardroom table at Breibart.

"What do we got on Obamacare folks?"

"we have a lady who says her doctor won't treat her anymore because of Obama, the details are sketchy, she might be related to Gohmert"

"What else?"

"A woman thinks the ACA website gave her cat feline aids."

"Do we have photos? No?  What else?"

"Mexicans still going to see their doctors in Mexico.

"Let's roll"
2014-05-09 08:59:16 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Dieing young.
 
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