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2014-05-10 11:10:29 AM  
I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.
 
2014-05-10 11:12:17 AM  
The real story is how disappointing the Donkey Show is.
 
2014-05-10 11:25:01 AM  
News from 1980 is so cool
 
2014-05-10 11:32:00 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.

Strange, I remember there was a president between the two Bushes when deficits went down. Indded some say we actually had a small surplus. I wonder what party that President belonged to.


the only times in my lifetime when the debt shrunk or even slowed down was under a democratic president.  You want smaller debt? History says vote Democratic.

Remember when in 2000 Gore was all like "lock box" and "pay down the debt" and Bush was like "give everybody a check for a few hundred dollars!".  One guess who jjorsett, so concern with the debt, supported.
 
2014-05-10 11:34:41 AM  
Everyone seems caught up in debating whether or not this is Obamacare's fault.  But, either way, isn't this an indication of a problem?  People are going out of their way, travelling out of the country, to get medical treatment *IN MEXICO* because it is a better value.
 
2014-05-10 11:44:42 AM  
Is this the thread where we point out a republican whitehouse and congress made it illegal to buy cheap canadian medicine? No, I suppose not.
 
2014-05-10 12:11:03 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Everyone seems caught up in debating whether or not this is Obamacare's fault.  But, either way, isn't this an indication of a problem?  People are going out of their way, travelling out of the country, to get medical treatment *IN MEXICO* because it is a better value.


Yes, it is a problem. And it has been a problem for decades. If your beef with Obamacare is that it didn't solve every problem, then I agree, but it's still a step up from what we had before. Repealing it and going back to the old way, where health coverage was prohibitively expensive and companies could deny or drop you on a whim, is the wrong way to go.

No, it's not perfect. Let's fix it.
 
2014-05-10 12:18:03 PM  
www.mememaker.net
 
2014-05-10 12:25:21 PM  
Are Republican arguing for socialized medicine?
 
2014-05-10 12:28:03 PM  
A woman born in Mexico, goes to her family doctor in the Mexican village where her family lives.

Thanks Obama!
 
2014-05-10 12:31:43 PM  
OOPS I forgot

Gracias Obama!
 
2014-05-10 12:40:04 PM  

maxheck: I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.


More like the Derphammer.
 
2014-05-10 12:58:25 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: 2. For routine office visits, just self-pay and go wherever. Insurance is really there to protect you from having to pay for the $60,000 hospitalization, not the $60 office visit.


The 60 bucks is out of reach for many poor people, especially if that's a few times a year for every member of a large household.  And it could prevent a 60k happening later in life.
 
2014-05-10 01:06:35 PM  
We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)
 
2014-05-10 01:07:38 PM  

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


Democrats don't campaign on the idea that deficits are always bad mmmkay, and are actually in favor of raising taxes to pay for basic farking social services... while Republicans want to pay for wars with credit cards and drop taxes for the super rich.

Considering you entered this thread bemoaning Mexican citizens getting medical treatment in Mexico instead of taking American resources away from Americans it's pretty clear you're just looking for flimsy, even retardedly untrue reasons to talk smack about anything Obama or Democrat or liberal. Get a new gimmick, yours is lame and obvious.
 
2014-05-10 01:08:57 PM  

maxheck: I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.


I'm starting to think people who should know it's a threadshiatting account and don't have it on their iggy list are complete masochists.
 
2014-05-10 01:13:59 PM  
People have been doing this for decades.
 
2014-05-10 01:18:01 PM  
Sum Dum Gai:

2. For routine office visits, just self-pay and go wherever.  Insurance is really there to protect you from having to pay for the $60,000 hospitalization, not the $60 office visit.

Complete BS.  Those plans were not acceptable to ACA standards.  They need healthy young men paying for low deductible, full coverage plans.  They needed healthy 50-60 y/o men and women doing the same thing.  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.

Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.
 
2014-05-10 01:25:17 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Die, and die soon
 
2014-05-10 01:31:35 PM  

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.


That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.
 
2014-05-10 01:36:29 PM  

cchris_39: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.

That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.


You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.
 
2014-05-10 02:02:41 PM  

tbeatty: There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


They're called Bronze plans and no they aren't.
 
2014-05-10 02:02:46 PM  
Did I miss the part where Obamacare stopped being a mandate to have healthcare, the coverage of all illnesses, and the creation of exchanges to help the uninsured get insurance; and became a direct insurance/payer plan itself? Because i'm sure that whatever happened to those people isn't because of the ACA so much as it is about the greed and cost overruns of insurers and the medical industry and not specifically because we TRIED to make the system more accessible and open for all people.

I mean, seriously, you can criticize the plan all you want, but it's time we stopped the poutrage and blaming the government for trying to make private industry stop discriminating and fleecing peoples.
 
2014-05-10 02:27:36 PM  
6 months ago: "What happened to 'if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor?'"
Now:  "Holy shiat, Mexicans are keeping the doctors that they like!"
 
2014-05-10 02:45:58 PM  

tbeatty:  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


Randomly making shiat up is no way to go through life, son.
 
2014-05-10 02:47:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: cchris_39: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.

That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.

You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.



I have it from prominent right wingers that the American Healthcare system is was the greatest in the world.
 
2014-05-10 03:11:07 PM  
It'll be interesting to see if history resets again in the GOP eyes in 2017. Since everything has happened now because of Obama and there won't be a red president on the next go-round, more derp will follow; the question remains how deep the derp well goes.
 
2014-05-10 03:12:56 PM  

Bungles: Tellingthem: buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.

Yep I knew lots of people who went to Mexico for all sorts of treatments. It was usually much cheaper than in America even if you had insurance most of the time. I had my friend bring me back some antibiotics once because I had an infection and it was cheaper for her to get them in Mexico than for myself to fill the prescription here.

Given the cheap cost of transatlantic flights, it would be cheaper for many people to fly to London and get their entire monthly prescription filled for £7.50 at a branch of Boots.


You do realize that socialized benefits require you to be a member of that society? I lived in a border town, and after Medicare was established, my buddy (now a doctor, but then a doctor's son) told me about how his Dad would marvet at how many 'Yankees' were showing up for free care. They must have been disappointed when they got the bill.
 
2014-05-10 03:14:26 PM  

tbeatty: Complete BS.  Those plans were not acceptable to ACA standards.  They need healthy young men paying for low deductible, full coverage plans.  They needed healthy 50-60 y/o men and women doing the same thing.  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


$5000 deductibles are illegal?  Someone should tell healthcare.gov because this was one of the plans they offered me:

s10.postimg.org


Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.

If you have a high deductible health plan, you are basically never expecting to reach your out of pocket maximum, so the details there are somewhat irrelevant.  If you actually anticipate needing $20,000 in medical care you should be opting for a platinum plan.

Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.
 
2014-05-10 03:20:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.


I said I was fine with the government offering a last resort policy for people to buy.

Lord_Baull: I have it from prominent right wingers that the American Healthcare system is was the greatest in the world.


Where did Ted Kennedy and Steve Jobs go for treatment?  If you want to know who the best is, just look where the billionaires go for treatment.
 
2014-05-10 03:25:38 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.

Strange, I remember there was a president between the two Bushes when deficits went down. Indded some say we actually had a small surplus. I wonder what party that President belonged to.


I get it. Clinton made history between two Bushes and Obama made history between two ferns.
 
2014-05-10 04:51:19 PM  

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Came for... satisfied... etc
 
2014-05-10 05:10:21 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.


...it would have been nice if all doctors were required to accept all plans, or at least do so out of the goodness of their own hearts...but the latter isn't happening and the former was a non-starter.
 
2014-05-10 05:25:15 PM  

IlGreven: Sum Dum Gai: Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.

...it would have been nice if all doctors were required to accept all plans, or at least do so out of the goodness of their own hearts...but the latter isn't happening and the former was a non-starter.


And neither was the case before Obamacare.

And neither would ever be able to be implemented because if people are screaming socialism over the plan as it currently is, how do you think people will react when the government is telling doctors what insurance they have to accept?
 
2014-05-10 05:27:54 PM  
Juarez donkey shows are better than TJ donkey shows.
 
2014-05-10 05:34:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


I found this in a Forbes article, I could go for it
http://www.aei.org/files/2013/08/06/-best-of-both-worlds-uniting-uni ve rsal-coverage-and-personal-choice-in-health-care_081610171236.pdf
 
2014-05-10 05:53:14 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: tbeatty: Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.


$5000 deductibles are illegal?  Someone should tell healthcare.gov because this was one of the plans they offered me:

Must be grandfathered plan or they issued another "delay."  The maximum deductible for individuals is $2,000 in 2014.  $6350 is the max out of pocket for 2014.
https://www.healthcare.gov/can-i-buy-a-catastrophic-plan/
http://www.uhc.com/united_for_reform_resource_center/health_reform_p ro visions/essential_health_benefits.htm


If you have a high deductible health plan, you are basically never expecting to reach your out of pocket maximum, so the details there are somewhat irrelevant.  If you actually anticipate needing $20,000 in medical care you should be opting for a platinum plan.

Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.


The cut rate insurers on the exchange don't have contracts with my doctor. Not every insurer is on the exchanges and most good ones with good doctors are not.   But just like the S&L crisis, Enron and the home mortgage collapse, Health Exchange companies will start facing massive bankruptcies if the target of healthy, premium paying young adults don't sign up.

(the executives get paid today of course.  If people don't see this wave of bankruptcies coming, they're idiots. No matter what the enrollment rates, the golden parachute execs will say the "lack of healthy participants was unforeseeable."  That's not a knock, it's greedy people saying they can do something knowing they will reap premiums up front and not need to pay it before bankruptcy.  Homebuilders went out of business after the boom market,  It's not like the executives gave back multi-million dollar bonuses.  Neither did bank execs.  Same with GM.).

I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.  Naturally this will be illegal next year or subject to some outrageous tax.  After the elections are over.  2015 will be a sticker shock year for the vast amount of people on employer health plans.

P.S. They rolled back the law for 2014 https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-limit/ .  It's been arbitrarily set to $6350 in an election year instead of the $2000 limit by statute.
 
2014-05-10 06:01:54 PM  
tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.
 
2014-05-10 06:42:15 PM  

Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.


I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.
 
2014-05-10 06:54:26 PM  

tbeatty: Must be grandfathered plan or they issued another "delay."  The maximum deductible for individuals is $2,000 in 2014.  $6350 is the max out of pocket for 2014.


It's clearly not a grandfathered plan unless the exchange intends for me to purchase it via time travel.  That rule is the maximum deductible for small group plans.That does not apply to individual plans, nor to large group plans.

tbeatty: I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.


That's a platinum plan.  I found a comparable one on the exchange for $400/month.  Since I'm healthy that kind of plan would be a total waste, but you can buy them (and in fact that's the kind of plan I'd get if I were sick and needed to buy my own healthcare).
 
2014-05-10 07:10:39 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: tbeatty: I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.


That's a platinum plan.  I found a comparable one on the exchange for $400/month.  Since I'm healthy that kind of plan would be a total waste, but you can buy them (and in fact that's the kind of plan I'd get if I were sick and needed to buy my own healthcare).


I should also note that the platinum plan is (at least for a 35-year-old in my state) less than half of the cost necessary to trigger the 'Cadillac tax' on health plans, which for an individual means $850 a month or greater in premiums.  Only when I put in an age of 60+ were the platinum plans starting to reach that threshold - and even then, they were just above the threshold.
 
2014-05-10 07:18:03 PM  

tbeatty: Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.

I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.


Why do you have a problem with the free market selecting companies to go bankrupt?
 
2014-05-10 07:32:16 PM  

tbeatty: they learned nothing


That's funny coming from you.
 
2014-05-10 08:30:08 PM  
Damn if that guy doesn't look like a cartoon.
 
2014-05-10 09:21:30 PM  

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


CLINTON, YOU DOLT!!
 
2014-05-11 01:02:22 AM  

mrshowrules: tbeatty: Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.

I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.

Why do you have a problem with the free market selecting companies to go bankrupt?


I have no problem with the free market on established areas.  I do have a problem with a wholesale overturning of the rules and regulations without so much as phasing it in to see what works.  Odd that farklibs are white-knighting insurance company execs without so much as a scintilla of evidence that the model will work.  No different than bank deregulation that libs blame the mortgage crisis on.  Check out the money the FannieMae/FreddieMac bureaucrats made when their reasoning went tits up.  I suspect the same will happen with these insurance companies.  How much public money are you willing to give to these executives and their failed companies to keep them on the exchange?  Would you be as generous with a carbon exchange with former Exxon and Enron execs forming the companies that bring carbon from the producers to the consumers?  The problem is that overregulation and taxation of existing employer based plans jeopardizes the entire industry.   Since I think the ultimate liberal goal is "single payer", creating a market that fails is not exactly a problem for them.  They will simply seize it, pay off executives with billions to go away and the "government option" is the only one available.  try to get a mortgage that isn't a government plan after that market collapsed due to poor regulation.  Now point to any executives in the fannie Mae/Freddie Mac that were penalized for poor perfmance.  I expect the government will be underwriting 90% of all medical plans in 5 years and the "executives" will be political spoil and very lucrative for them.  Meanwhile, the consumer gets screwed financially (well, in health care, the unproductive simply die).  The VA procedure is coming.
 
2014-05-11 01:23:42 AM  
Well, it's only fair. I caught it in Tijuana, they ought to cure it in Tijuana.
 
2014-05-11 01:30:16 AM  

tbeatty: Odd that farklibs are white-knighting insurance company execs without so much as a scintilla of evidence that the model will work.  No different than bank deregulation that libs blame the mortgage crisis on.  Check out the money the FannieMae/FreddieMac bureaucrats made when their reasoning went tits up.  I suspect the same will happen with these insurance companies.  How much public money are you willing to give to these executives and their failed companies to keep them on the exchange?  Would you be as generous with a carbon exchange with former Exxon and Enron execs forming the companies that bring carbon from the producers to the consumers?  The problem is that overregulation and taxation of existing employer based plans jeopardizes the entire industry


God you sure can talk some shiat, man. I got a dayum headache.
 
2014-05-11 01:32:27 AM  

MontanaDave: jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.

CLINTON, YOU DOLT!!


Bush II had a good run too.  The problem is that tax revenue/deficit is so skewed to market performance instead of the wealth of the median of citizens as to be nonsensical.  Really, the baseline metric for deficits should be spending against the wage income of the median of all Americans.  AMT bubbles, stock bubbles, etc, are not suitable for determining whether there is a surplus or deficit.  Does anyone think that one year of non-deficit spending by a few million is the solution to decades of deficit spending in billions?

Really, get rid of the current baseline budgeting.  Tie budgets to mean wages.  tie executive salary scales to median wages.  There's no way the government should have the highest paid execs with a defined pension that dwarfs their market value in the private sector.  Heck, the idiotic city council here just gave the city manager a 13% raise to compensate for the loss of fringe benefits that no company would pay him.  At the same time, they imposed a paycut on all city employees.  Those people don't have perks except theitr defined pension.  the previous city manager retired on a $300k pension after spiking it with unused sick time, cell phone allowance and car allowance.  Then took a job as the city manager somewhere else.  His pension plus new salary is $600k.  He'd be a $200k max civilian middle manager if he was halfway decent.

Look at Glendale AZ.  They lured NFL and NHL teams and indebted all the citizens in a huge loss.  Gretzky made $5 million as coach.  the owner leased office space to the franchise at twice the market rate.  The NFL took over and charged the city $35 mil a year to run the stadium while keeping all revenue.  All the city execs bailed with their golden parachutes and claim they are "proud of what they brought to Glendale."  By all accounts, they brought a mountain of debt.

Sorry if I have no faith that a government bureaucrat trying to rise in the ranks as an ACA bigwig is not concerned with success or failure but rather what schedule he will be on when the whole thing goes tits up.  I doubt his or ACA's performance has anything to do with his exorbitant pension.
 
2014-05-11 01:34:43 AM  

tbeatty: Sorry if I have no faith that a government bureaucrat trying to rise in the ranks as an ACA bigwig is not concerned with success or failure but rather what schedule he will be on when the whole thing goes tits up.  I doubt his or ACA's performance has anything to do with his exorbitant pension.


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