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2014-05-09 07:50:55 PM
Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?
 
2014-05-09 07:53:58 PM
By cheap health care they mean over the counter vicodin
 
2014-05-09 07:56:21 PM

SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?


No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."
 
2014-05-09 07:59:21 PM
Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?
 
2014-05-09 08:19:20 PM
Breitbart  probably learned about this himself on his trips south of the border for his "medicine".

/by which I mean he was a cokehead
 
2014-05-09 08:32:51 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


I thought it was ObamaCare.
 
2014-05-09 08:41:34 PM

nmrsnr: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."


That's the smoking gun. Hard, cold evidence of a specific situation that Obamacare hasn't improved yet.  Thanks Fartbongo.
 
2014-05-09 08:59:16 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Dieing young.
 
2014-05-09 09:27:58 PM

mrshowrules: nmrsnr: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."

That's the smoking gun. Hard, cold evidence of a specific situation that Obamacare hasn't improved yet.  Thanks Fartbongo.


Obviously he should be be impeached, that lousy Kenyan dictator.
 
2014-05-09 09:29:12 PM

SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?


It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.
 
2014-05-09 09:30:57 PM

SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?


Here ya go. Non-Deadbart link.
 
2014-05-09 09:37:30 PM

Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.


You can imagine the desperation around whatever counts for a boardroom table at Breibart.

"What do we got on Obamacare folks?"

"we have a lady who says her doctor won't treat her anymore because of Obama, the details are sketchy, she might be related to Gohmert"

"What else?"

"A woman thinks the ACA website gave her cat feline aids."

"Do we have photos? No?  What else?"

"Mexicans still going to see their doctors in Mexico.

"Let's roll"
 
2014-05-09 09:47:09 PM
i believe medical tourism has been going on for quite some time, concernmitter.
 
2014-05-09 10:16:48 PM
Well that's it, I'm not voting for that jerk ever again
 
2014-05-09 10:42:20 PM
I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.
 
2014-05-09 11:08:08 PM
Uh, what? How is this new? How is this even bad? Mexican immigrants are seeking care in Mexico instead of using scarce resources here, lowering the prices for nonimmigrants. How is this at all bad?
 
2014-05-09 11:09:10 PM

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


That has nothing to do with Obamacare.
 
2014-05-09 11:11:43 PM

FlashHarry: i believe medical tourism has been going on for quite some time, concernmitter.


captainktainer: Uh, what? How is this new? How is this even bad? Mexican immigrants are seeking care in Mexico instead of using scarce resources here, lowering the prices for nonimmigrants. How is this at all bad?


Thread over.  Please turn out the light on the way out.
 
2014-05-09 11:12:18 PM
Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.
 
2014-05-09 11:17:11 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-09 11:18:47 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Give us all green cards to Mexico or Canada so we can go back to our "home countries" for cheap healthcare?
 
2014-05-09 11:24:25 PM

buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.


Yep I knew lots of people who went to Mexico for all sorts of treatments. It was usually much cheaper than in America even if you had insurance most of the time. I had my friend bring me back some antibiotics once because I had an infection and it was cheaper for her to get them in Mexico than for myself to fill the prescription here.
 
2014-05-09 11:25:53 PM
I know plenty of people who've been doing that for years. I know a doctor who makes regular trips to Mexico, and always comes back with tons of antibiotics and other stuff. Stuff is cheap down there. Cigarettes are a great deal down there as well, less than half the price.
 
2014-05-09 11:26:23 PM

Aarontology: By cheap health care they mean over the counter vicodin


It's not cheap. It's $9 per pill. But the Amex points gained help offset the cost.

/own time share in Rocky Point. neighbors told me. about this hangover cure.
 
2014-05-09 11:28:19 PM
It was also common to go to Canada back in the day. I went there in the 90's to get an opinion on Lasik becuase it was much cheaper there than here. Couldn't get the surgery but i did get some Cubans.
 
2014-05-09 11:28:51 PM

nmrsnr: Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales


This also applies to american citizens. I've know quite a few muricans that went to meh-hee-co to get cheap medical care.
 
2014-05-09 11:30:36 PM
To be fair, the only reason Republicans really want to go to Mexico is to pick up adolescent prostitutes, because Republicans like sexually abusing children, and they have an easier time getting away with it in Mexico.

The above statement has just as much veracity as anything ever posted on Breitbart. And anyone who believes anything posted on Breitbart is probably a child molester, just like Andrew Breitbart.
 
2014-05-09 11:43:05 PM
And what was the rate a year before that? And 5 years before that? What is the real world impact here?
 
2014-05-09 11:43:41 PM
HMS_Blinkin: Give us all green cards to Mexico or Canada so we can go back to our "home countries" for cheap healthcare?

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-09 11:44:36 PM

cubic_spleen: To be fair, the only reason Republicans really want to go to Mexico is to pick up adolescent prostitutes, because Republicans like sexually abusing children, and they have an easier time getting away with it in Mexico.

The above statement has just as much veracity as anything ever posted on Breitbart. And anyone who believes anything posted on Breitbart is probably a child molester, just like Andrew Breitbart.


Your logic tied me up and raped me.
 
2014-05-09 11:47:14 PM
I grew up in Southern California. This is absolutely nothing new; it's been going on as long as I've been on this Earth. I'm starting to think Republicans believe the world was created as-is on January 20th, 2009.
 
2014-05-09 11:52:55 PM
It's the 6th inning, let's see how long it takes for the Dodgers fans to leave for their South of the border doctors appointments.
 
2014-05-09 11:56:59 PM
So Mexican citizens living and working in the US near the border go to Mexico where they have public healthcare instead of paying out of pocket to go to the doctor in the US?

And this is somehow an indictment of Obamacare?
 
2014-05-09 11:59:26 PM

buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.


What health care reform in this country has yet to properly address, is the completely farking retarded concept that dental insurance should be separate from all other medical care.
 
2014-05-10 12:07:20 AM
Super-concerned Republican media outlet asking people who travel across borders if they have Obamacare (even though it's not possible to "have Obamacare").

Yep, that's believable. I'd run with it.
 
2014-05-10 12:12:02 AM
FTA: "A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily. "

Obamacare (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) was signed into law by Fartbongo on March 23, 2010.

Your blog sucks!
 
2014-05-10 12:17:00 AM
Republican here (logical kind, not the Jesusy kind, one of the few left):

I'm totally ok with this.
 
2014-05-10 12:19:21 AM

Triple Oak: Super-concerned Republican media outlet asking people who travel across borders if they have Obamacare (even though it's not possible to "have Obamacare").

Yep, that's believable. I'd run with it.


The commercials for the GOP primary have taken the odd strategy of the candidates trying to out-derp each other IN OREGON. My favorite bit is "My opponent supports government approved healthcare" line, in a sinister sounding voice that sneers out "government approved."

I guess that means I shouldn't get in my truck with its NHTSA "government approved" safety features to pick up some USDA "government approved" e. Coil free hamburgers.
 
2014-05-10 12:27:28 AM

Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.


It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.
 
2014-05-10 12:34:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.

That has nothing to do with Obamacare.


Don't be naive.  It's a direct result of Obamacare.  See, people who didn't have insurance now have insurance.  They are now going to doctors to have all those chronic problems checked, or to get physicals and baselines.  Before insurance they had to ignore them and hope to not die/need an ER.  Since there are so many people now in need and able to go to doctors, they are calling, making appointments.  The doctors are likely very busy, swamped with all these new customers.  So they do like any other business does when their business booms - they refuse new customers until they get a handle on things.  Since, ya know, healthcare is like any other capitalist business.  And here comes Taftcare, which is making those doctors see these new patients.  It would have been so much better had these people not gotten insurance.  Then only deserving ones could go to PCPs, ob-gyns, GIs, dermatologists, etc.

/was that derpy enough?
//someone, somewhere, believes that
 
2014-05-10 12:40:55 AM

jjorsett: It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker.


Except that the non-Breitbart article talks about older immigrants but don't let that get in the way of your derp.
 
2014-05-10 12:41:08 AM

nmrsnr: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."


This is obviously concern trolling, like republicans give a rat's arse about Mexican immigrants anyway.  They only thing most republicans I personally know want for them is a one-way trip back to Mexico.  If this is all they have to use against Obamacare at this point, they might as well pack that shiat up now, because they're done.
 
2014-05-10 12:47:31 AM
One 2009 study by Wallace found that nearly half a million Mexican immigrants living in California receive medical, dental or prescription services every year south of the border.

So let's see.

A study done FOUR YEARS before ACA went into effect found that 500,000 Mexican immigrants (legal? illegal? doesn't say) living near the border received some type of medical services in Mexico annually.

Here's what it doesn't say.

How many American citizens (not Mexican immigrants) living near the border receive some type of medical services in Mexico annually? Why do they go to Mexico as opposed to getting services in the US? Because their doctors are there and they'd rather stay with their old doctor than go through the hassle of finding a new one? Because prescriptions are notoriously cheaper in Mexico than in the US? Because a lot of 1st generation immigrants still have prejudices about going to doctors and prefer to see pharmacists for their routine ailments and only go to doctors for "emergencies"?

Here's also what it doesn't say: Why is this bad? If they're getting care, are satisfied with the quality, and are not stressing US healthcare facilities or insurance, why does anybody care?
 
2014-05-10 12:47:38 AM

jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?
 
2014-05-10 12:50:36 AM

SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?


meh

$15 doctor visit and she might prescribe you good drugs that you might not get back home?
meh

totally believable
but seeing the dr is a TINY part of healthcare.
I wonder where she will go when she gets cancer?
Right, with her insurance.
 
2014-05-10 12:54:32 AM

mrshowrules: nmrsnr: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

No, it's true, just has nothing to do with Obamacare:

"Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

"A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily."

That's the smoking gun. Hard, cold evidence of a specific situation that Obamacare hasn't improved yet.  Thanks Fartbongo.


I'm confused a little though, when did Republicans start caring about anyone who isn't as white as the driven snow?
 
2014-05-10 12:55:02 AM

Mantour: FTA: "A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily. "

Obamacare (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) was signed into law by Fartbongo on March 23, 2010.

Your blog sucks!


i301.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-10 12:56:02 AM

Mentat: Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?

I thought it was ObamaCare.


I have been collecting SOME of the many complaints about Obamacare.

The GOP Plan
The GOP has not officially released their health care plan, but we have been able to figure out some of the details by listening to their complaints about Obamacare.

1) Your rates can never go up.  You will pay the same or less than what you are currently paying.
2) You never have to change doctors, in fact, doctors will be required to take you as a patient.
3) You can never be dropped or denied for pre-existing conditions.
4) Birth control is covered for free.
5) All doctors will be in all networks
6) The government website with details about this plan will be available 24 x 7 x 365. It will work flawlessly on day one and never be slow, no matter how many people try to use it at one time.
7) Insurance companies will be banned from ever dropping a plan.
8) Only 8 million people signed up for Obamacare, the GOP plan would have many many more people covered.
9) Some number of people lost their coverage, that will be undone with GOPcare. They will get their old plans back, at the same premium.
10) All medicines will be covered, no matter what the cost.

No seriously.
We have been told, over and over, that these are the TERRIBLE things about Obamacare.
And the GOP keeps telling us that they will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.
Right?

/left me know here or in email any major GOP PLAN features that I might have left out.
 
2014-05-10 12:58:33 AM

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


trivial to solve
cant get a visit? go to the ER
TADA
insurance company has to pay ...
you are sick and dying right?

LOL
farking nightmare
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
does this mean that my cunning plan to change doctors might backfire?
better check the new one before firing the old one
 
2014-05-10 01:01:20 AM
Yes, because Californians going across the border for healthcare totally wasn't a thing until the ACA went into effect, right? F*ck these right wing propagandists. They're the same ones that claim Canadians love coming to the US for healthcare and would totally switch their system for ours if they could. Farking retarded.
 
2014-05-10 01:02:59 AM

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


So did I. Until april 1 I was 'covered' by a high deductable (3.5k) HSA plan under WI HIRSP plan because I was denied private insuance due to flat feet. My wife was also under the same plan due to her various health issues. My 3 kids are guarenteed medicaid until they 18 because they are former foster children. Under our new plan, thanks to the health exchanges, the wife and I are on a PPO which costs so much less than the old plan, without a subdidy, because I make enough to support my family enough, so my wife can stay home and homeschool to bring our kids up to the academic level of their peers, that we also can afford vision ( all 5 of us wear glasses) and dental, for all 5 of us,for cheaper than what we paid before, and the PPO covers more.

I saw my PCD last monday for a physical. He even congradulated me on the new plan. Then again, my PCD is awesome. Doesn't talk down to me. Explains in detail. Shows me everything he inputs and reports on his laptop.

/please escuse typos and such. Im on the nook.
 
2014-05-10 01:03:24 AM

UNC_Samurai: buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.

What health care reform in this country has yet to properly address, is the completely farking retarded concept that dental insurance should be separate from all other medical care.


HEY, they finally included MENTAL heathcare with physical healthcare!

Teeth and Eyes are next I guess.
LOL

What about feet?
Are podiatrists covered?
 
2014-05-10 01:05:33 AM

Petey4335: Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.

So did I. Until april 1 I was 'covered' by a high deductable (3.5k) HSA plan under WI HIRSP plan because I was denied private insuance due to flat feet. My wife was also under the same plan due to her various health issues. My 3 kids are guarenteed medicaid until they 18 because they are former foster children. Under our new plan, thanks to the health exchanges, the wife and I are on a PPO which costs so much less than the old plan, without a subdidy, because I make enough to support my family enough, so my wife can stay home and homeschool to bring our kids up to the academic level of their peers, that we also can afford vision ( all 5 of us wear glasses) and dental, for all 5 of us,for cheaper than what we paid before, and the PPO covers more.

I saw my PCD last monday for a physical. He even congradulated me on the new plan. Then again, my PCD is awesome. Doesn't talk down to me. Explains in detail. Shows me everything he inputs and reports on his laptop.

/please escuse typos and such. Im on the nook.


Have you noticed that for EVER GOP scare story there are 1000s of AWESOME stories like this?
THANKS OBAMACARE!!!
Strange, why did the GOP think that calling it OBAMACARE would be an insult?
Now it will become its official name!
 
2014-05-10 01:05:50 AM

Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.


1. You could have checked provider availability before buying insurance that locked you in to a list of preferred providers that aren't taking patients.

2. For routine office visits, just self-pay and go wherever.  Insurance is really there to protect you from having to pay for the $60,000 hospitalization, not the $60 office visit.
 
2014-05-10 01:07:38 AM
Ummmmm, isn't EVERYTHING cheaper in Mexico.
 
2014-05-10 01:08:12 AM

namatad: UNC_Samurai: buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.

What health care reform in this country has yet to properly address, is the completely farking retarded concept that dental insurance should be separate from all other medical care.

HEY, they finally included MENTAL heathcare with physical healthcare!

Teeth and Eyes are next I guess.
LOL

What about feet?
Are podiatrists covered?


It tends to be the ear/eye/nose/throat systems that aren't fully integrated.
 
2014-05-10 01:13:14 AM

FlashHarry: i believe medical tourism has been going on for quite some time, concernmitter.


Certainly as long as I've been living in California, going to Tijuana for medical has been a "thing". Which means 30 years and that's just what I know, so that proves 0bamacare is a failure and Sarah Palindrome should have been president.

/In modern times, medical tourism to Thailand, India, Costa Rica, etc can save so much money on certain medical or dental procedures to more than balance out the cost of the vacation.
//Ditto for clothing tourism in Thailand like if you suddenly need like 5 suit jackets upon graduation.
///not valid for sex tourism. You'll spend your money but have nothing to show for it (but memories and maybe VD if you play unsafely).
 
2014-05-10 01:20:25 AM
There goes Fartin' Breitbart again.
 
2014-05-10 01:27:37 AM
This has been going on since the 1970's, I believe...

/not brietbart, that farker is dead.
 
2014-05-10 01:28:29 AM

Mantour: FTA: "A 2009 study found that half a million Mexican immigrants living in California get their medical care in Mexico because their green cards allow them to travel back and forth across the border easily. "

Obamacare (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) was signed into law by Fartbongo on March 23, 2010.

Your blog sucks!



You forgot about Obama's time machine
 
2014-05-10 01:31:59 AM
It's cheap but it's not free
 
2014-05-10 01:32:25 AM
jjorsett:  Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due."
- Dick Cheney to Paul O'Neill, former Bush Treasury Secretary

Nope, they apparently don't matter then either.
 
2014-05-10 01:35:06 AM

SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?


I'm just some guy on the internet, but it was going on 20 years ago.  Had a lady with a chronic infection problem she had gotten from getting cheap dental work done in Mexico.  She was in the hospital 3 times over my 2 year career with problems stemming from it.

Weird part is the infection ended up affecting her replaced knee, something about the opportunistic bug just finding whatever spots it could breed in and setting up shop.

Actually I *say* 20 years ago, I think it was only 10-15...
 
2014-05-10 01:38:41 AM
I guess being able to speak to your doctor in Spanish might have some up side.
 
2014-05-10 01:39:27 AM
And like Beitbart's corpse, all the bodies are chock full of donkey spluge.
 
2014-05-10 01:40:19 AM

mrshowrules: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

You can imagine the desperation around whatever counts for a boardroom table at Breibart.

"What do we got on Obamacare folks?"

"we have a lady who says her doctor won't treat her anymore because of Obama, the details are sketchy, she might be related to Gohmert"

"What else?"

"A woman thinks the ACA website gave her cat feline aids."

"Do we have photos? No?  What else?"

"Mexicans still going to see their doctors in Mexico.

"Let's roll"


It isn't just Mexicans, but it's been going on since forever.  It also isn't just Mexico, medical tourism has a lot of places, some very odd indeed.  Cuba is actually a *really* good place to go if you have money, because they sank a shiat-ton of government money into making their medical care (well, the rich people's medical care) really good.

Best plastic surgeons are in Thailand and Iran, the two countries with the most gender-change surgeries.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head, and it all depends on what the customer wants, cheaper or better (or both).
 
2014-05-10 02:44:15 AM
Back in 2006, I had a roommate who talked about how he would fly to Costa Rica for medical and dental care because even with the added costs of airfare, it was cheaper there and the care was just as good.
 
2014-05-10 02:53:40 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.

That has nothing to do with Obamacare.


Or, he can use the Romney/Ryan plan.....

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-10 02:59:16 AM

namatad: Mentat: Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?

I thought it was ObamaCare.

I have been collecting SOME of the many complaints about Obamacare.

The GOP Plan
The GOP has not officially released their health care plan, but we have been able to figure out some of the details by listening to their complaints about Obamacare.

1) Your rates can never go up.  You will pay the same or less than what you are currently paying.
2) You never have to change doctors, in fact, doctors will be required to take you as a patient.
3) You can never be dropped or denied for pre-existing conditions.
4) Birth control is covered for free.
5) All doctors will be in all networks
6) The government website with details about this plan will be available 24 x 7 x 365. It will work flawlessly on day one and never be slow, no matter how many people try to use it at one time.
7) Insurance companies will be banned from ever dropping a plan.
8) Only 8 million people signed up for Obamacare, the GOP plan would have many many more people covered.
9) Some number of people lost their coverage, that will be undone with GOPcare. They will get their old plans back, at the same premium.
10) All medicines will be covered, no matter what the cost.

No seriously.
We have been told, over and over, that these are the TERRIBLE things about Obamacare.
And the GOP keeps telling us that they will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.
Right?

/left me know here or in email any major GOP PLAN features that I might have left out.


And people say there's no support for single payer in the GOP
 
2014-05-10 03:57:43 AM
Ha. People have been going to Mexico for cheap medical expenses before Obama care.
 
2014-05-10 04:01:53 AM

Summoner101: And people say there's no support for single payer in the GOP


That would help poor people a lot and is therefor a non-starter for the GOP.
 
2014-05-10 04:05:05 AM

2wolves: Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?

Dieing young.


RIP

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-10 04:12:40 AM

namatad: Mentat: Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?

I thought it was ObamaCare.

I have been collecting SOME of the many complaints about Obamacare.

The GOP Plan
The GOP has not officially released their health care plan, but we have been able to figure out some of the details by listening to their complaints about Obamacare.

1) Your rates can never go up.  You will pay the same or less than what you are currently paying.
2) You never have to change doctors, in fact, doctors will be required to take you as a patient.
3) You can never be dropped or denied for pre-existing conditions.
4) Birth control is covered for free.
5) All doctors will be in all networks
6) The government website with details about this plan will be available 24 x 7 x 365. It will work flawlessly on day one and never be slow, no matter how many people try to use it at one time.
7) Insurance companies will be banned from ever dropping a plan.
8) Only 8 million people signed up for Obamacare, the GOP plan would have many many more people covered.
9) Some number of people lost their coverage, that will be undone with GOPcare. They will get their old plans back, at the same premium.
10) All medicines will be covered, no matter what the cost.

No seriously.
We have been told, over and over, that these are the TERRIBLE things about Obamacare.
And the GOP keeps telling us that they will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.
Right?

/left me know here or in email any major GOP PLAN features that I might have left out.


This is the best post I've seen all week.  Good on you, sir.
 
2014-05-10 04:50:11 AM

Tellingthem: buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.

Yep I knew lots of people who went to Mexico for all sorts of treatments. It was usually much cheaper than in America even if you had insurance most of the time. I had my friend bring me back some antibiotics once because I had an infection and it was cheaper for her to get them in Mexico than for myself to fill the prescription here.


Given the cheap cost of transatlantic flights, it would be cheaper for many people to fly to London and get their entire monthly prescription filled for £7.50 at a branch of Boots.
 
2014-05-10 04:58:17 AM
" However, according to  USA Today, "Mexican immigrants living in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have long sought health care in border cities such as Tijuana, Mexicali and Nogales. The Affordable Care Act won't change that, experts said."

WTF.

If Obamacare is so bad, why do the farktards need to grasp at bullshiat like this?
 
2014-05-10 05:18:45 AM

jjorsett: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


That's because they know how to really rack it up. Reagen was one of the best, with george h as a close 2nd. Just because you hide the cost of defence doesn't mean it goes away. The people still pay the debt of war, even if you hide it or delay it.
 
2014-05-10 05:20:09 AM

Petey4335: Mugato: I signed up for Obamacare because I'm in a period where I don't have corporate healthcare. So the list of healthcare providers on my plan aren't accepting new patients for the next three months, so I have to pay for healthcare that I can't use or else pay some fine or tax or whatever. I'll have healthcare from my company in a month anyway but I can see how some people might be pissed off at how this is all handled.

So did I. Until april 1 I was 'covered' by a high deductable (3.5k) HSA plan under WI HIRSP plan because I was denied private insuance due to flat feet. My wife was also under the same plan due to her various health issues. My 3 kids are guarenteed medicaid until they 18 because they are former foster children. Under our new plan, thanks to the health exchanges, the wife and I are on a PPO which costs so much less than the old plan, without a subdidy, because I make enough to support my family enough, so my wife can stay home and homeschool to bring our kids up to the academic level of their peers, that we also can afford vision ( all 5 of us wear glasses) and dental, for all 5 of us,for cheaper than what we paid before, and the PPO covers more.

I saw my PCD last monday for a physical. He even congradulated me on the new plan. Then again, my PCD is awesome. Doesn't talk down to me. Explains in detail. Shows me everything he inputs and reports on his laptop.

/please escuse typos and such. Im on the nook.


Say what?
 
2014-05-10 05:21:13 AM

jjorsett: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


Why is it you lie every time you post? What is it with Republicans and their pathological need to lie?
 
2014-05-10 05:46:22 AM

ghare: jjorsett: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Why is it you lie every time you post? What is it with Republicans and their pathological need to lie?


I don't think he's a republican. Just a troll. Although it's hard to tell them apart at times, i'll give you that.
 
2014-05-10 07:16:17 AM
hangouthangten.files.wordpress.com /Aw crap, not again!
//Wait... This is serious...
 
2014-05-10 07:50:16 AM
Jeepers farking creepers, is this all they have on "Obamacare"?  The Affordable Care Act must be working even better than I thought if the right wing are now concerned about the plight of Mexican Immigrants getting proper medical care.

It is amazing how conservatives have made a 180 degree turn on their views regarding Mexican immigrants and the ACA.  At one time conservatives were worried about Mexican nationals getting healthcare from ACA approved insurance on the exchanges.  Of course if you took these conservatives aside, agreed it was a problem, and suggest you work together to fix the problem, and you will be accused of wanting "amnesty".
 
2014-05-10 08:11:58 AM

Tellingthem: It was also common to go to Canada back in the day. I went there in the 90's to get an opinion on Lasik becuase it was much cheaper there than here. Couldn't get the surgery but i did get some Cubans.


....I assume you're talking about cigars.
 
2014-05-10 08:19:54 AM
I read the headline as "Obamacare has made medical marijuana so affordable...".  I need to have my eyes checked.
 
2014-05-10 08:29:32 AM

Fupac: I need to have my eyes checked.


I hear it's cheaper if you do it in Mexico.
 
2014-05-10 08:46:55 AM
How about a big hearty, heart-felt "F#CK YOU!!! to the GOP.
 
2014-05-10 08:48:40 AM

ds615: Fupac: I need to have my eyes checked.

I hear it's cheaper if you do it in Mexico.


Ha! Very nice.
 
2014-05-10 08:51:36 AM
I've been doing that for years and I live in Texas.

Kidney stone in Texas? 8000+ dollars
Kidney stone in Mexico? 300 dollars.
 
2014-05-10 08:52:44 AM
But as long as they're there, might as well go see a donkey show, right?
 
2014-05-10 08:59:26 AM
My mother in law had to get crowns on 8 teeth at $2,500 a pop.  Her Canadian dental plan only covered $2,500 a year so she got one done.  She made a vacation of it and went to China for the other 7 which I think were about $400 each.  The trip cost her about $5K.

So instead of $17,500 for crowns.  She paid about $7,800 ($10K in savings) and got a nice free trip out of it as well.  A year after that, one crown failed (the one she had done in Canada).
 
2014-05-10 09:12:08 AM
Irma Montalvo tells  USA Today seeing a Tijuana doctor only costs $15 and that she likes her some figs, likes 'em good.
 
2014-05-10 09:28:37 AM
OOOOOOOO BOMB AHHHHHHH
 
2014-05-10 09:28:40 AM

jjorsett: Sgt Otter: SilentStrider: Is there a reliable source for this? Or just Breitbart?

It's sourced from a USA Today article.  It's still the absurdity of Bretibart.com being "concerned" that not enough Mexican immigrants are buying ACA plans.

It's a valid concern. Dragooning the young and healthy -- which immigrants tend to be -- into Obamacare is how they planned to offset costs from the older and sicker. Not that Democrats really care about balancing the books; if they have to spend many unexpected billions more than planned, that'll be hunky dory with them. Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.


*ahem* Iraq war.

How many people could have been insured for life with the "unexpected" trillion or so we spent on that adventure?
 
2014-05-10 10:02:54 AM

FlashHarry: i believe medical tourism has been going on for quite some time, concernmitter.


Until mail order prescriptions (and Part D) became common there would be busloads of people, mostly elderly, that would take an overnight trip to Canada to fill their prescriptions. Granted, Windsor Ontario wasn't the most scenic place to visit but if it saved you hundreds of dollars, why not?
 
2014-05-10 10:03:48 AM

namatad: Mentat: Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?

I thought it was ObamaCare.

I have been collecting SOME of the many complaints about Obamacare.

The GOP Plan
The GOP has not officially released their health care plan, but we have been able to figure out some of the details by listening to their complaints about Obamacare.

1) Your rates can never go up.  You will pay the same or less than what you are currently paying.
2) You never have to change doctors, in fact, doctors will be required to take you as a patient.
3) You can never be dropped or denied for pre-existing conditions.
4) Birth control is covered for free.
5) All doctors will be in all networks
6) The government website with details about this plan will be available 24 x 7 x 365. It will work flawlessly on day one and never be slow, no matter how many people try to use it at one time.
7) Insurance companies will be banned from ever dropping a plan.
8) Only 8 million people signed up for Obamacare, the GOP plan would have many many more people covered.
9) Some number of people lost their coverage, that will be undone with GOPcare. They will get their old plans back, at the same premium.
10) All medicines will be covered, no matter what the cost.

No seriously.
We have been told, over and over, that these are the TERRIBLE things about Obamacare.
And the GOP keeps telling us that they will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.
Right?

/left me know here or in email any major GOP PLAN features that I might have left out.


Nice.

/*golf clap*
 
2014-05-10 10:14:30 AM

Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?


Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.
 
2014-05-10 10:14:34 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Die quickly, unless you're rich.
 
2014-05-10 10:20:24 AM

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


Strange, I remember there was a president between the two Bushes when deficits went down. Indded some say we actually had a small surplus. I wonder what party that President belonged to.
 
2014-05-10 10:25:44 AM

Kevin72: FlashHarry: i believe medical tourism has been going on for quite some time, concernmitter.

Certainly as long as I've been living in California, going to Tijuana for medical has been a "thing". Which means 30 years and that's just what I know, so that proves 0bamacare is a failure and Sarah Palindrome should have been president.

/In modern times, medical tourism to Thailand, India, Costa Rica, etc can save so much money on certain medical or dental procedures to more than balance out the cost of the vacation.
//Ditto for clothing tourism in Thailand like if you suddenly need like 5 suit jackets upon graduation.
///not valid for sex tourism. You'll spend your money but have nothing to show for it (but memories and maybe VD if you play unsafely).


Was going to mention dental / cosmetic surgery tourism to Thailand... I know the dental is crazy cheap / good, and I'm pretty sure a zillion ladyboys could vouch for the cosmetic surgeons.
 
2014-05-10 10:26:57 AM

jjorsett: The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP.


Objection, complete strawman. Democrats propose budget after budget in this administration that lowers the deficit by the CBO score. The GOP shot every one down because they don't want to raise taxes. The GOP is for a deficit as long as they don't have to raise taxes on the top 1%.
 
2014-05-10 10:39:52 AM
So,
What we're saying here is that the ACA lowered the costs but not lower than Mexico.
 
2014-05-10 11:10:29 AM
I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.
 
2014-05-10 11:12:17 AM
The real story is how disappointing the Donkey Show is.
 
2014-05-10 11:25:01 AM
News from 1980 is so cool
 
2014-05-10 11:32:00 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.

Strange, I remember there was a president between the two Bushes when deficits went down. Indded some say we actually had a small surplus. I wonder what party that President belonged to.


the only times in my lifetime when the debt shrunk or even slowed down was under a democratic president.  You want smaller debt? History says vote Democratic.

Remember when in 2000 Gore was all like "lock box" and "pay down the debt" and Bush was like "give everybody a check for a few hundred dollars!".  One guess who jjorsett, so concern with the debt, supported.
 
2014-05-10 11:34:41 AM
Everyone seems caught up in debating whether or not this is Obamacare's fault.  But, either way, isn't this an indication of a problem?  People are going out of their way, travelling out of the country, to get medical treatment *IN MEXICO* because it is a better value.
 
2014-05-10 11:44:42 AM
Is this the thread where we point out a republican whitehouse and congress made it illegal to buy cheap canadian medicine? No, I suppose not.
 
2014-05-10 12:11:03 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Everyone seems caught up in debating whether or not this is Obamacare's fault.  But, either way, isn't this an indication of a problem?  People are going out of their way, travelling out of the country, to get medical treatment *IN MEXICO* because it is a better value.


Yes, it is a problem. And it has been a problem for decades. If your beef with Obamacare is that it didn't solve every problem, then I agree, but it's still a step up from what we had before. Repealing it and going back to the old way, where health coverage was prohibitively expensive and companies could deny or drop you on a whim, is the wrong way to go.

No, it's not perfect. Let's fix it.
 
2014-05-10 12:18:03 PM
www.mememaker.net
 
2014-05-10 12:25:21 PM
Are Republican arguing for socialized medicine?
 
2014-05-10 12:28:03 PM
A woman born in Mexico, goes to her family doctor in the Mexican village where her family lives.

Thanks Obama!
 
2014-05-10 12:31:43 PM
OOPS I forgot

Gracias Obama!
 
2014-05-10 12:40:04 PM

maxheck: I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.


More like the Derphammer.
 
2014-05-10 12:58:25 PM

Sum Dum Gai: 2. For routine office visits, just self-pay and go wherever. Insurance is really there to protect you from having to pay for the $60,000 hospitalization, not the $60 office visit.


The 60 bucks is out of reach for many poor people, especially if that's a few times a year for every member of a large household.  And it could prevent a 60k happening later in life.
 
2014-05-10 01:06:35 PM
We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)
 
2014-05-10 01:07:38 PM

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


Democrats don't campaign on the idea that deficits are always bad mmmkay, and are actually in favor of raising taxes to pay for basic farking social services... while Republicans want to pay for wars with credit cards and drop taxes for the super rich.

Considering you entered this thread bemoaning Mexican citizens getting medical treatment in Mexico instead of taking American resources away from Americans it's pretty clear you're just looking for flimsy, even retardedly untrue reasons to talk smack about anything Obama or Democrat or liberal. Get a new gimmick, yours is lame and obvious.
 
2014-05-10 01:08:57 PM

maxheck: I'm starting to think jjorsett is the Krauthammer of Fark.


I'm starting to think people who should know it's a threadshiatting account and don't have it on their iggy list are complete masochists.
 
2014-05-10 01:13:59 PM
People have been doing this for decades.
 
2014-05-10 01:18:01 PM
Sum Dum Gai:

2. For routine office visits, just self-pay and go wherever.  Insurance is really there to protect you from having to pay for the $60,000 hospitalization, not the $60 office visit.

Complete BS.  Those plans were not acceptable to ACA standards.  They need healthy young men paying for low deductible, full coverage plans.  They needed healthy 50-60 y/o men and women doing the same thing.  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.

Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.
 
2014-05-10 01:25:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


Die, and die soon
 
2014-05-10 01:31:35 PM

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.


That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.
 
2014-05-10 01:36:29 PM

cchris_39: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.

That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.


You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.
 
2014-05-10 02:02:41 PM

tbeatty: There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


They're called Bronze plans and no they aren't.
 
2014-05-10 02:02:46 PM
Did I miss the part where Obamacare stopped being a mandate to have healthcare, the coverage of all illnesses, and the creation of exchanges to help the uninsured get insurance; and became a direct insurance/payer plan itself? Because i'm sure that whatever happened to those people isn't because of the ACA so much as it is about the greed and cost overruns of insurers and the medical industry and not specifically because we TRIED to make the system more accessible and open for all people.

I mean, seriously, you can criticize the plan all you want, but it's time we stopped the poutrage and blaming the government for trying to make private industry stop discriminating and fleecing peoples.
 
2014-05-10 02:27:36 PM
6 months ago: "What happened to 'if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor?'"
Now:  "Holy shiat, Mexicans are keeping the doctors that they like!"
 
2014-05-10 02:45:58 PM

tbeatty:  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


Randomly making shiat up is no way to go through life, son.
 
2014-05-10 02:47:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: cchris_39: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: cchris_39: We're from the government and we're here to save you money.

/No waiting lines!
//(according to our records)

Do you have a link to the Republican proposal for healthcare that would be cheaper than going to Mexico?  I'd love to read it.

That's a basic problem that the Republicans and a lot of other people fall for all to frequently........that you have to offer an "alternative".  You don't.

But, if I had to offer one I'd say if the federal government wanted to offer a policy for uninsured people to buy, great idea.  That should be the extent of it.

You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.



I have it from prominent right wingers that the American Healthcare system is was the greatest in the world.
 
2014-05-10 03:11:07 PM
It'll be interesting to see if history resets again in the GOP eyes in 2017. Since everything has happened now because of Obama and there won't be a red president on the next go-round, more derp will follow; the question remains how deep the derp well goes.
 
2014-05-10 03:12:56 PM

Bungles: Tellingthem: buzzcut73: Wait until they find out that there are a lot of Americans going to Mexico for dental care, and there are even some US based plans covering care in Mexico because the costs are so much more reasonable.

Yep I knew lots of people who went to Mexico for all sorts of treatments. It was usually much cheaper than in America even if you had insurance most of the time. I had my friend bring me back some antibiotics once because I had an infection and it was cheaper for her to get them in Mexico than for myself to fill the prescription here.

Given the cheap cost of transatlantic flights, it would be cheaper for many people to fly to London and get their entire monthly prescription filled for £7.50 at a branch of Boots.


You do realize that socialized benefits require you to be a member of that society? I lived in a border town, and after Medicare was established, my buddy (now a doctor, but then a doctor's son) told me about how his Dad would marvet at how many 'Yankees' were showing up for free care. They must have been disappointed when they got the bill.
 
2014-05-10 03:14:26 PM

tbeatty: Complete BS.  Those plans were not acceptable to ACA standards.  They need healthy young men paying for low deductible, full coverage plans.  They needed healthy 50-60 y/o men and women doing the same thing.  There are lots of people that would prefer a $5000 annual deductible or catastrophic plan but those are now illegal.


$5000 deductibles are illegal?  Someone should tell healthcare.gov because this was one of the plans they offered me:

s10.postimg.org


Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.

If you have a high deductible health plan, you are basically never expecting to reach your out of pocket maximum, so the details there are somewhat irrelevant.  If you actually anticipate needing $20,000 in medical care you should be opting for a platinum plan.

Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.
 
2014-05-10 03:20:37 PM

Mrtraveler01: You don't think they should offer an alternative? The status quo was terrible and made our system the laughing stock of the world.


I said I was fine with the government offering a last resort policy for people to buy.

Lord_Baull: I have it from prominent right wingers that the American Healthcare system is was the greatest in the world.


Where did Ted Kennedy and Steve Jobs go for treatment?  If you want to know who the best is, just look where the billionaires go for treatment.
 
2014-05-10 03:25:38 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.

Strange, I remember there was a president between the two Bushes when deficits went down. Indded some say we actually had a small surplus. I wonder what party that President belonged to.


I get it. Clinton made history between two Bushes and Obama made history between two ferns.
 
2014-05-10 04:51:19 PM

the801: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x320]


Came for... satisfied... etc
 
2014-05-10 05:10:21 PM

Sum Dum Gai: Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.


...it would have been nice if all doctors were required to accept all plans, or at least do so out of the goodness of their own hearts...but the latter isn't happening and the former was a non-starter.
 
2014-05-10 05:25:15 PM

IlGreven: Sum Dum Gai: Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.

...it would have been nice if all doctors were required to accept all plans, or at least do so out of the goodness of their own hearts...but the latter isn't happening and the former was a non-starter.


And neither was the case before Obamacare.

And neither would ever be able to be implemented because if people are screaming socialism over the plan as it currently is, how do you think people will react when the government is telling doctors what insurance they have to accept?
 
2014-05-10 05:27:54 PM
Juarez donkey shows are better than TJ donkey shows.
 
2014-05-10 05:34:25 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Well then,  it's about time we seriously consider the Republican plan...

...and what was that,again?


I found this in a Forbes article, I could go for it
http://www.aei.org/files/2013/08/06/-best-of-both-worlds-uniting-uni ve rsal-coverage-and-personal-choice-in-health-care_081610171236.pdf
 
2014-05-10 05:53:14 PM

Sum Dum Gai: tbeatty: Secondly, "out-of-pocket" and "out-of-network" coverage is not what most people think it is.  They only count the amount you would have paid for "in-network" coverage.  So if you think you have reaced the maximum out of pocket expense and it's free, after you have paid that amount, think again.  This is how people "keeping their doctor"  with a $2500 "out-of-pocket" maximum were seeing $20,000 increases in yearly medical doctors.


$5000 deductibles are illegal?  Someone should tell healthcare.gov because this was one of the plans they offered me:

Must be grandfathered plan or they issued another "delay."  The maximum deductible for individuals is $2,000 in 2014.  $6350 is the max out of pocket for 2014.
https://www.healthcare.gov/can-i-buy-a-catastrophic-plan/
http://www.uhc.com/united_for_reform_resource_center/health_reform_p ro visions/essential_health_benefits.htm


If you have a high deductible health plan, you are basically never expecting to reach your out of pocket maximum, so the details there are somewhat irrelevant.  If you actually anticipate needing $20,000 in medical care you should be opting for a platinum plan.

Plus, if you like your doctor and want to keep them, why not ask what plans they accept before you purchase?  That would be what I would do if I actually cared who my doctor was.


The cut rate insurers on the exchange don't have contracts with my doctor. Not every insurer is on the exchanges and most good ones with good doctors are not.   But just like the S&L crisis, Enron and the home mortgage collapse, Health Exchange companies will start facing massive bankruptcies if the target of healthy, premium paying young adults don't sign up.

(the executives get paid today of course.  If people don't see this wave of bankruptcies coming, they're idiots. No matter what the enrollment rates, the golden parachute execs will say the "lack of healthy participants was unforeseeable."  That's not a knock, it's greedy people saying they can do something knowing they will reap premiums up front and not need to pay it before bankruptcy.  Homebuilders went out of business after the boom market,  It's not like the executives gave back multi-million dollar bonuses.  Neither did bank execs.  Same with GM.).

I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.  Naturally this will be illegal next year or subject to some outrageous tax.  After the elections are over.  2015 will be a sticker shock year for the vast amount of people on employer health plans.

P.S. They rolled back the law for 2014 https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-limit/ .  It's been arbitrarily set to $6350 in an election year instead of the $2000 limit by statute.
 
2014-05-10 06:01:54 PM
tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.
 
2014-05-10 06:42:15 PM

Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.


I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.
 
2014-05-10 06:54:26 PM

tbeatty: Must be grandfathered plan or they issued another "delay."  The maximum deductible for individuals is $2,000 in 2014.  $6350 is the max out of pocket for 2014.


It's clearly not a grandfathered plan unless the exchange intends for me to purchase it via time travel.  That rule is the maximum deductible for small group plans.That does not apply to individual plans, nor to large group plans.

tbeatty: I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.


That's a platinum plan.  I found a comparable one on the exchange for $400/month.  Since I'm healthy that kind of plan would be a total waste, but you can buy them (and in fact that's the kind of plan I'd get if I were sick and needed to buy my own healthcare).
 
2014-05-10 07:10:39 PM

Sum Dum Gai: tbeatty: I tried to find my plan that my employer has.  No deductible, $1000 out of pocket maximum,  $20 copay for doctor, urgent care or specialist, no referral.  $10 generic drugs, $100 ER visit, $100 hospital admission.


That's a platinum plan.  I found a comparable one on the exchange for $400/month.  Since I'm healthy that kind of plan would be a total waste, but you can buy them (and in fact that's the kind of plan I'd get if I were sick and needed to buy my own healthcare).


I should also note that the platinum plan is (at least for a 35-year-old in my state) less than half of the cost necessary to trigger the 'Cadillac tax' on health plans, which for an individual means $850 a month or greater in premiums.  Only when I put in an age of 60+ were the platinum plans starting to reach that threshold - and even then, they were just above the threshold.
 
2014-05-10 07:18:03 PM

tbeatty: Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.

I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.


Why do you have a problem with the free market selecting companies to go bankrupt?
 
2014-05-10 07:32:16 PM

tbeatty: they learned nothing


That's funny coming from you.
 
2014-05-10 08:30:08 PM
Damn if that guy doesn't look like a cartoon.
 
2014-05-10 09:21:30 PM

jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.


CLINTON, YOU DOLT!!
 
2014-05-11 01:02:22 AM

mrshowrules: tbeatty: Triple Oak: tbeatty: But what they meant was

Teach us what you've been spun, O Knowledgeable One. Tell us of the end of the world after the elections that Republicans are so confident in.

I only provided links.  If people don't understand what was deferred and don't understand how the exchange pop-up insurers will go bankrupt, they learned nothing from the S&L crisis, Enron and the tech bubble, or the Housing mortgage collapse.  Just like Zuckerburg will be a billionaire after Facebook and the Blackberry execs are billionaires.  We'll see the first health exchange executives get a fat bonus the year before bankruptcy.

Why do you have a problem with the free market selecting companies to go bankrupt?


I have no problem with the free market on established areas.  I do have a problem with a wholesale overturning of the rules and regulations without so much as phasing it in to see what works.  Odd that farklibs are white-knighting insurance company execs without so much as a scintilla of evidence that the model will work.  No different than bank deregulation that libs blame the mortgage crisis on.  Check out the money the FannieMae/FreddieMac bureaucrats made when their reasoning went tits up.  I suspect the same will happen with these insurance companies.  How much public money are you willing to give to these executives and their failed companies to keep them on the exchange?  Would you be as generous with a carbon exchange with former Exxon and Enron execs forming the companies that bring carbon from the producers to the consumers?  The problem is that overregulation and taxation of existing employer based plans jeopardizes the entire industry.   Since I think the ultimate liberal goal is "single payer", creating a market that fails is not exactly a problem for them.  They will simply seize it, pay off executives with billions to go away and the "government option" is the only one available.  try to get a mortgage that isn't a government plan after that market collapsed due to poor regulation.  Now point to any executives in the fannie Mae/Freddie Mac that were penalized for poor perfmance.  I expect the government will be underwriting 90% of all medical plans in 5 years and the "executives" will be political spoil and very lucrative for them.  Meanwhile, the consumer gets screwed financially (well, in health care, the unproductive simply die).  The VA procedure is coming.
 
2014-05-11 01:23:42 AM
Well, it's only fair. I caught it in Tijuana, they ought to cure it in Tijuana.
 
2014-05-11 01:30:16 AM

tbeatty: Odd that farklibs are white-knighting insurance company execs without so much as a scintilla of evidence that the model will work.  No different than bank deregulation that libs blame the mortgage crisis on.  Check out the money the FannieMae/FreddieMac bureaucrats made when their reasoning went tits up.  I suspect the same will happen with these insurance companies.  How much public money are you willing to give to these executives and their failed companies to keep them on the exchange?  Would you be as generous with a carbon exchange with former Exxon and Enron execs forming the companies that bring carbon from the producers to the consumers?  The problem is that overregulation and taxation of existing employer based plans jeopardizes the entire industry


God you sure can talk some shiat, man. I got a dayum headache.
 
2014-05-11 01:32:27 AM

MontanaDave: jjorsett: Mrtraveler01: jjorsett: Deficits don't matter except when Republicans are President.

Talk about projection.

And hasn't this been going on long before Obamacare? What am I missing exactly?

Deficits happen under all administrations in recent times. The only time the Democrats seem to care is when the guy in the O is from the GOP. Personally, I'd like to see us do something about it, regardless of who gets the credit, before we hit the wall.

CLINTON, YOU DOLT!!


Bush II had a good run too.  The problem is that tax revenue/deficit is so skewed to market performance instead of the wealth of the median of citizens as to be nonsensical.  Really, the baseline metric for deficits should be spending against the wage income of the median of all Americans.  AMT bubbles, stock bubbles, etc, are not suitable for determining whether there is a surplus or deficit.  Does anyone think that one year of non-deficit spending by a few million is the solution to decades of deficit spending in billions?

Really, get rid of the current baseline budgeting.  Tie budgets to mean wages.  tie executive salary scales to median wages.  There's no way the government should have the highest paid execs with a defined pension that dwarfs their market value in the private sector.  Heck, the idiotic city council here just gave the city manager a 13% raise to compensate for the loss of fringe benefits that no company would pay him.  At the same time, they imposed a paycut on all city employees.  Those people don't have perks except theitr defined pension.  the previous city manager retired on a $300k pension after spiking it with unused sick time, cell phone allowance and car allowance.  Then took a job as the city manager somewhere else.  His pension plus new salary is $600k.  He'd be a $200k max civilian middle manager if he was halfway decent.

Look at Glendale AZ.  They lured NFL and NHL teams and indebted all the citizens in a huge loss.  Gretzky made $5 million as coach.  the owner leased office space to the franchise at twice the market rate.  The NFL took over and charged the city $35 mil a year to run the stadium while keeping all revenue.  All the city execs bailed with their golden parachutes and claim they are "proud of what they brought to Glendale."  By all accounts, they brought a mountain of debt.

Sorry if I have no faith that a government bureaucrat trying to rise in the ranks as an ACA bigwig is not concerned with success or failure but rather what schedule he will be on when the whole thing goes tits up.  I doubt his or ACA's performance has anything to do with his exorbitant pension.
 
2014-05-11 01:34:43 AM

tbeatty: Sorry if I have no faith that a government bureaucrat trying to rise in the ranks as an ACA bigwig is not concerned with success or failure but rather what schedule he will be on when the whole thing goes tits up.  I doubt his or ACA's performance has anything to do with his exorbitant pension.


derp
 
2014-05-11 01:47:02 AM
whidbey: But I maintain my physique by felating Obama every chance I get.   Every time I say 'derp' he's in my mouth and he likes the vibrations of those words. 'derp derp derp'  is all it takes to create my own blue dress.  He's my first black derper so I point out that he's black in every post and that it's racist not to felate him every day.  I used to say "democrat" when felating Clinton but he was white and with Obama it just comes out as 'derp'.  I guess it's genetic.  Once you've had 'derp' you never go 'democrat.'

Sounds about right for you.  Need a tissue?
 
2014-05-11 01:50:20 AM

tbeatty: Sounds about right for you.


Not really. But I will say that you just shat up this thread pretty awful by making a shiatload of unsubstantiated claims. It's a pretty weird way to post, just saying. Not sure how you think you're going to get some kind of superior position across by consistently posting like a paranoid pathological liar.

Sorry that liberals irritate you so much. Well, not really.
 
2014-05-11 01:56:00 AM

whidbey: tbeatty: Sounds about right for you.

Not really. But I will say that you just shat up this thread pretty awful by making a shiatload of unsubstantiated claims. It's a pretty weird way to post, just saying. Not sure how you think you're going to get some kind of superior position across by consistently posting like a paranoid pathological liar.

Sorry that liberals irritate you so much. Well, not really.


Actually, I posted real replies to real questions. 
You white knighting insurance execs because Obama shows your true colors.  All disingenuous. FannieMae/FreddieMac are not great organizations because they're associated with Barney Frank.  Try to look beyond the individual when you decide whether something will succeed or fail you partisan prick.
 
2014-05-11 01:58:56 AM

tbeatty: You white knighting insurance execs because Obama shows your true colors.


derp

FannieMae/FreddieMac are not great organizations because they're associated with Barney Frank.

derp

you partisan prick

derp

Again, I'm really sorry you can't get your superior position across to us plebes.
 
2014-05-11 02:05:54 AM

tbeatty: Actually, I posted real replies to real questions.


You mean apart from being completely wrong about how $5000 deductible plans are illegal and everything else.  Do you ever post anything that's not pants-on-head retarded?
 
2014-05-11 02:15:33 AM
A few months before Obamacare started I paid 2.5k out of pocket for being hospitalized with a chronic disease that came out of the blue. (I had a 5k deductible and my family was paying 1000/mo for this privilege).

Had it happened after Obamacare I would have paid a flat 500. No deductible, and I pay half what I used to per month.

Also, I got put on medication that costs 3000/mo. With the new insurance I pay only 200.

Thanks Obama.
 
2014-05-11 02:45:40 AM
What the fark is an "Obamacare patient"?  What does that even mean?!  FFS, I hope these partisan troll assbags die from a protracted case of "Obamacare"!
 
2014-05-11 03:15:29 AM
Here's what I know about Republicans:

The guy they chose as their 2012 nominee didn't wait until my friend's body was cold before they started telling lies about how he died. To this day, they won't stop telling lies about how Sean dies.

I have health care at literally a fifth of the cost of what I was quoted on the individual market before. Republicans, without exception, want me to die. Nevermind that I need only a little tiny less-than-$50-prescription to live (in a free market, which the United States has never had and never can have because of basic market fundamentals which Republicans never will undersatnd). I will die if Republicans gain power. My friends will be used as political footballs if Republicans ever gain power. My sister will be raped by vaginal ultrasounds if she ever needs an abortion. Republicans like tbeatty want to rape my sister, kill me, and use my friend as a political football. That's all I need to know.
 
2014-05-11 12:11:42 PM
OTOH, if you really want a cheap donkey show without sacrificing quality of narrative, you can't beat the back alleys of Ohio.
 
2014-05-11 12:47:11 PM

tbeatty: I have no problem with the free market on established areas.  I do have a problem with a wholesale overturning of the rules and regulations without so much as phasing it in to see what works.  Odd that farklibs are white-knighting insurance company execs without so much as a scintilla of evidence that the model will work.  No different than bank deregulation that libs blame the mortgage crisis on.  Check out the money the FannieMae/FreddieMac bureaucrats made when their reasoning went tits up.  I suspect the same will happen with these insurance companies.  How much public money are you willing to give to these executives and their failed companies to keep them on the exchange?  Would you be as generous with a carbon exchange with former Exxon and Enron execs forming the companies that bring carbon from the producers to the consumers?  The problem is that overregulation and taxation of existing employer based plans jeopardizes the entire industry.   Since I think the ultimate liberal goal is "single payer", creating a market that fails is not exactly a problem for them.  They will simply seize it, pay off executives with billions to go away and the "government option" is the only one available.  try to get a mortgage that isn't a government plan after that market collapsed due to poor regulation.  Now point to any executives in the fannie Mae/Freddie Mac that were penalized for poor perfmance.  I expect the government will be underwriting 90% of all medical plans in 5 years and the "executives" will be political spoil and very lucrative for them.  Meanwhile, the consumer gets screwed financially (well, in health care, the unproductive simply die).  The VA procedure is coming.


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