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(London Evening Standard)   IOC realizes having Rio host the Olympics in two years is shaping up to be a brasillion-dollar clusterfark, asks London what they're doing in 2016   (standard.co.uk) divider line 69
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2014-05-09 10:59:46 AM
Can't we just enjoy the impending clusterfark before the media starts teasing us with something that's two years away?
 
2014-05-09 11:17:07 AM
Oh please oh please oh please oh please. The news coverage would keep us amused for years.
 
2014-05-09 11:36:52 AM
That's what you get for dissing Chicago, IOC assholes.
 
2014-05-09 12:15:38 PM

Lando Lincoln: That's what you get for dissing Chicago, IOC assholes.


Honestly, I'm glad we didn't get it. It would cause me too many headaches getting around. On the other hand, I do have a bunch of Chicago 2016 "back the bid" stuff that used the Olympic torch logo that they were forced to scrap because it broke the lobbying rules.
 
2014-05-09 12:48:26 PM
They talk about this happening every single time but it never happens.
 
2014-05-09 01:11:20 PM

change1211: They talk about this happening every single time but it never happens.


Not every time, no talk like this for London or Beijing.  Athens, maybe.  Sochi, certainly, but never heard talk of actual alternate locations.
 
2014-05-09 01:14:05 PM
How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?
 
2014-05-09 01:25:19 PM

jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?


Hey, now they can collect bribes twice for every Games.  Win Win.
 
2014-05-09 01:41:43 PM
This goes back to something that was brought up during the Sochi Olympics: the IOC needs to set up a few permanent host cities and rotate through them. The Olympics have become too cost prohibitive for any random country to host them. At worst, set up 4-5 permanent hosts and after the rotation, the next host can be chosen at random but with more than 7 years prep time (to spread out the costs of construction).
 
2014-05-09 01:42:53 PM

jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?


Just slightly better than it is for FIFA.
 
2014-05-09 01:43:25 PM

jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?


They learned from FIFA

/FARK QATAR
 
2014-05-09 01:43:36 PM

naughtyrev: Lando Lincoln: That's what you get for dissing Chicago, IOC assholes.

Honestly, I'm glad we didn't get it. It would cause me too many headaches getting around. On the other hand, I do have a bunch of Chicago 2016 "back the bid" stuff that used the Olympic torch logo that they were forced to scrap because it broke the lobbying rules.


I was a youngster back in '84, but LA did a really good job getting people around in '84.  Businesses and governments did scattered schedules, etc (and you must remember, LA's mass transit in '84 was busses..).
 
2014-05-09 01:45:14 PM

HotWingConspiracy: jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?

Just slightly better than it is for FIFA.


Yeah, speaking of which, have the special forces murdered everyone in the favelas yet? The round robins starts in 30 days.
 
2014-05-09 01:47:14 PM

haemaker: change1211: They talk about this happening every single time but it never happens.

Not every time, no talk like this for London or Beijing.   Athens, maybe.  Sochi, certainly, but never heard talk of actual alternate locations.


Athens was a disaster.  IIRC some event locations weren't even finished when the games started and the graft and delays helped drive the country into bankruptcy.  These are rare occurrences, but they usually are spectacular.
 
2014-05-09 01:47:30 PM

rjakobi: HotWingConspiracy: jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?

Just slightly better than it is for FIFA.

Yeah, speaking of which, have the special forces murdered everyone in the favelas yet? The round robins starts in 30 days.


Who knows...have they finished the stadiums/airports/roads/boats to get everywhere yet?
 
2014-05-09 01:48:12 PM

haemaker: Not every time, no talk like this for London or Beijing.  Athens, maybe.  Sochi, certainly, but never heard talk of actual alternate locations.



Construction in Sochi was plainly unfinished but not so much that competition needed to be delayed.  According to the article Brazil has made about a quarter of the progress that the Greeks had made at a similar point in time (e.g. 2 years remaining before the games).  That's incredibly bad.  Hell, some of the problems alone (like raw sewage flowing unchecked into the body of water used for rowing) are so pervasive that any fix would likely take years to accomplish.
 
2014-05-09 01:56:23 PM
"One of the UK's greatest exports is our major events capability."
  -Will Glendinning, director of the major event consultants Allium, who worked on the London Organising Committee for the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games

That's not an export.
 
2014-05-09 01:58:08 PM

eagles95: jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?

They learned from FIFA

/FARK QATAR


I am SOOOO looking forward to the clusterfark that will be Qatar.
 
2014-05-09 02:00:40 PM
Now we just need FIFA to pull the 2022 World Cup out of Qatar. There's still time...
 
2014-05-09 02:03:17 PM

Kuta: Now we just need FIFA to pull the 2022 World Cup out of Qatar. There's still time...


It will be awarded to the US around December, 2021.
 
2014-05-09 02:08:17 PM
Cancel the damn thing.
 
2014-05-09 02:10:43 PM

JK47: (like raw sewage flowing unchecked into the body of water used for rowing)


o_O
 
2014-05-09 02:19:38 PM

haemaker: change1211: They talk about this happening every single time but it never happens.

Not every time, no talk like this for London or Beijing.  Athens, maybe.  Sochi, certainly, but never heard talk of actual alternate locations.


IIRC Sydney was in secret negotiations to take the games back too, before the Greeks got close enough to finished that the IOC decided to roll with it.
 
2014-05-09 02:24:51 PM

haemaker: change1211: They talk about this happening every single time but it never happens.

Not every time, no talk like this for London or Beijing.  Athens, maybe.  Sochi, certainly, but never heard talk of actual alternate locations.


The Sochi talk was just propaganda, as became apparent when the games were held.

Back when Mexico was to hold the WC though, Germany was asked. Seeing as Mexico had just been hit by a major earthquake.

The situation is different though, Brazil hasn't been by any natural disasters. The hummiliation would awesome.
 
2014-05-09 02:25:36 PM

bikerbob59: Cancel the damn thing.


Watch your mouth. Those Eastern European gymnasts are a refreshing view unlike their US pedobait counterparts.
 
2014-05-09 02:28:16 PM

spawn73: The situation is different though, Brazil hasn't been by any natural disasters. The hummiliation would awesome.


They'll be humiliated this summer when the World Cup has to move matches due to unfinished stadiums and the whole thing becomes one massive clusterfark. If that fails as much as I think it will, the IOC might start begging London to host things in 2016.
 
2014-05-09 02:29:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: JK47: (like raw sewage flowing unchecked into the body of water used for rowing)

o_O


You know what would have been extremely entertaining? Olympic rowing in one of those Illinois rivers with all the jumping Asian carp.
 
2014-05-09 02:30:01 PM

desertgeek: This goes back to something that was brought up during the Sochi Olympics: the IOC needs to set up a few permanent host cities and rotate through them. The Olympics have become too cost prohibitive for any random country to host them. At worst, set up 4-5 permanent hosts and after the rotation, the next host can be chosen at random but with more than 7 years prep time (to spread out the costs of construction).


That would be even more expensive.

When IOC evaluates the bids (and the bribes), they evaluate how the venues will be of benefit to the country afterwards. Ie. why almost all of the stadiums in London are now used for permanent things, and the olympic housing is now private recidences.


What you're asking for is for 4-5 countries to have permanent space for the Olympic games to be used every 16-20 years. That's not resonable or feasible.

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Some countries, ahem, *cough* Greece *cough*, of course are just so farked up so they build all their crap, and then just let it fall to neclect. That's a farking waste. But then again, this aren't countries you'd trust to keep up a permanent olympic infrastructure anyway.
 
2014-05-09 02:31:55 PM

desertgeek: spawn73: The situation is different though, Brazil hasn't been by any natural disasters. The hummiliation would awesome.

They'll be humiliated this summer when the World Cup has to move matches due to unfinished stadiums and the whole thing becomes one massive clusterfark. If that fails as much as I think it will, the IOC might start begging London to host things in 2016.


Yeah, and considering their history, you'd think soccer/football would be the one thing Brazil knows how not to screw up...
 
2014-05-09 02:35:47 PM
Because only white people can run a corrupt gathering of doped-up athletes struggling to set records and pass blood tests AT THE SAME TIME!!1!

Now pulling out of Rio because they have more than one deadly contagion threatening world plague...now that's understandable.
 
2014-05-09 02:36:24 PM

desertgeek: spawn73: The situation is different though, Brazil hasn't been by any natural disasters. The hummiliation would awesome.

They'll be humiliated this summer when the World Cup has to move matches due to unfinished stadiums and the whole thing becomes one massive clusterfark. If that fails as much as I think it will, the IOC might start begging London to host things in 2016.


Very true. Them somehow screwing up the World Cup could gives the IOC  justification to pull the trigger.
 
2014-05-09 02:38:34 PM

rjakobi: HotWingConspiracy: jake_lex: How's that whole "Let's give the Olympics to whatever country bribes us the most" thing working out for you, IOC?

Just slightly better than it is for FIFA.

Yeah, speaking of which, have the special forces murdered everyone in the favelas yet? The round robins starts in 30 days.


It's not murder. It's non-reversible coercive alteration of current viability status.
 
2014-05-09 02:39:24 PM

LucklessWonder: desertgeek: spawn73: The situation is different though, Brazil hasn't been by any natural disasters. The hummiliation would awesome.

They'll be humiliated this summer when the World Cup has to move matches due to unfinished stadiums and the whole thing becomes one massive clusterfark. If that fails as much as I think it will, the IOC might start begging London to host things in 2016.

Yeah, and considering their history, you'd think soccer/football would be the one thing Brazil knows how not to screw up...


Only at playing it. Their venues aren't up to snuff.

But of course, Brazil is a BRIC country. They can handle the WC and the Olympics at the same time. They're all modern and stuff now.

/not really.
 
2014-05-09 02:39:36 PM

phaseolus: WhyteRaven74: JK47: (like raw sewage flowing unchecked into the body of water used for rowing)

o_O

You know what would have been extremely entertaining? Olympic rowing in one of those Illinois rivers with all the jumping Asian carp.


[cue Benny Hill/Yakety Sax theme]
 
2014-05-09 02:40:40 PM

phaseolus: WhyteRaven74: JK47: (like raw sewage flowing unchecked into the body of water used for rowing)

o_O

You know what would have been extremely entertaining? Olympic rowing in one of those Illinois rivers with all the jumping Asian carp.


Oh, hell yes.  With John Cleese doing play by play.

/And ah, yes, the number 8 has been struck rather firmly by that one and I think, yes, the shell has in fact disintegrated.
 
2014-05-09 02:44:31 PM

desertgeek: spawn73: The situation is different though, Brazil hasn't been by any natural disasters. The hummiliation would awesome.

They'll be humiliated this summer when the World Cup has to move matches due to unfinished stadiums and the whole thing becomes one massive clusterfark. If that fails as much as I think it will, the IOC might start begging London to host things in 2016.


Dont forget the riots of poor and middle class plebes who are getting jobbed over by the government there. Instead of hospitals, schools, police they are building soccer stadiums all over the damn place. All i want is the US getting out of the group of death and Brazil losing early to get riot season off to a roaring start. Quick question,  is Brazil's domestic league that popular that they will all be used post WC? The one in the rainforest surely is not going to be used again. You have to take a damn boat there to get supplies into that city.
 
2014-05-09 02:45:51 PM
I think Atlanta(96) still has usable venues and has replaced older venues. They's just have to get all the Ga Tech kids to move out of the dorms.
 
2014-05-09 02:54:53 PM

ThisIsntMe: I think Atlanta(96) still has usable venues and has replaced older venues. They's just have to get all the Ga Tech kids to move out of the dorms.


Not terribly difficult since the Summer Olympics are held when school is at it's lowest attendance for most colleges.  Most of the dorms will probably be freed up already.
 
2014-05-09 02:57:49 PM

ThisIsntMe: I think Atlanta(96) still has usable venues and has replaced older venues. They's just have to get all the Ga Tech kids to move out of the dorms.


Heck, if the new Braves stadium gets rushed to completion, they could even convert Turner Field back into the Olympic stadium.
 
2014-05-09 02:59:58 PM
Let's see how the world cup goes this summer first.
 
2014-05-09 03:00:52 PM

naughtyrev: Lando Lincoln: That's what you get for dissing Chicago, IOC assholes.

Honestly, I'm glad we didn't get it. It would cause me too many headaches getting around. On the other hand, I do have a bunch of Chicago 2016 "back the bid" stuff that used the Olympic torch logo that they were forced to scrap because it broke the lobbying rules.


There's a difference between a) people who are happy about Chicago not getting the Olympics because it would cost the city money and force the development of a bunch of infrastructure that will go to waste after the games are over and b) people who are happy about Chicago not getting the Olympics because fark Obama.
 
2014-05-09 03:14:11 PM

Serious Black: naughtyrev: Lando Lincoln: That's what you get for dissing Chicago, IOC assholes.

Honestly, I'm glad we didn't get it. It would cause me too many headaches getting around. On the other hand, I do have a bunch of Chicago 2016 "back the bid" stuff that used the Olympic torch logo that they were forced to scrap because it broke the lobbying rules.

There's a difference between a) people who are happy about Chicago not getting the Olympics because it would cost the city money and force the development of a bunch of infrastructure that will go to waste after the games are over and b) people who are happy about Chicago not getting the Olympics because fark Obama.


Don't I know it. Honestly Chicago would be a beautiful place to host the games. It would just make my life miserable for two weeks.
 
2014-05-09 03:22:14 PM

ThisIsntMe: I think Atlanta(96) still has usable venues and has replaced older venues. They's just have to get all the Ga Tech kids to move out of the dorms.


No thank you. Half the people who came in '96 still haven't left. That said, all the talk leading up to the games was about how horrible the traffic will probably be. Best rush hour traffic ever. Left work at 5, got home at 5:20 when normally it would've been closer to 6.
 
2014-05-09 03:22:20 PM

Red_Fox: Let's see how the world cup goes this summer first.


www.overheardinthesacristy.net
 
2014-05-09 03:37:52 PM

naughtyrev: Serious Black: naughtyrev: Lando Lincoln: That's what you get for dissing Chicago, IOC assholes.

Honestly, I'm glad we didn't get it. It would cause me too many headaches getting around. On the other hand, I do have a bunch of Chicago 2016 "back the bid" stuff that used the Olympic torch logo that they were forced to scrap because it broke the lobbying rules.

There's a difference between a) people who are happy about Chicago not getting the Olympics because it would cost the city money and force the development of a bunch of infrastructure that will go to waste after the games are over and b) people who are happy about Chicago not getting the Olympics because fark Obama.

Don't I know it. Honestly Chicago would be a beautiful place to host the games. It would just make my life miserable for two weeks.


Who knows, in 2028 maybe your job could be done on your couch with an iPad.
 
2014-05-09 03:40:15 PM
Can we do the Sochi method and just see them fail?
 
2014-05-09 03:55:48 PM
The problem is it will take a long time for London to get the facilities back online. The upper tier of the Olympic stadium is being removed for its new tenants (a football team), the stands in the main swimming pool have been removed and its now just a pool, the shooting "cube" was tempory and has been removed along with the equestrian and beach vollyball and the living quaters have been turned into housing.

So for London to host the Olympics again we would either have to evict people from their new homes (or build another village), rebuild parts of the aquatic and main stadiums, evict the current tenants of the olympic stadium, rebuild lots of the tempory structures and get the use of the Excel Centre, O2 Dome and Eaton rowing lake again some of who have events booked already.

That's going to take time and money. Money that has to come from somewhere and we aren't going to be happy paying the price for hosting it again.
 
2014-05-09 04:10:47 PM

ThisIsntMe: I think Atlanta(96) still has usable venues and has replaced older venues. They's just have to get all the Ga Tech kids to move out of the dorms.


I live a couple of miles from the Olympic tennis stadium. It's pretty much completely intact, but it's a dandelion farm that sits next to the empty building that used to be a Super Target that closed about 4 years ago and the North American HQ of CCP (which is also empty-ish of late since the World of Darkness MMO was cancelled.. they laid off almost everyone and now pretty much just do English EVE support).

Anyway, there are still plenty of facilities still around such that Atlanta could host again in a pinch with a bit of work.
 
2014-05-09 04:13:45 PM

Norfolking Chance: The problem is it will take a long time for London to get the facilities back online. The upper tier of the Olympic stadium is being removed for its new tenants (a football team), the stands in the main swimming pool have been removed and its now just a pool, the shooting "cube" was tempory and has been removed along with the equestrian and beach vollyball and the living quaters have been turned into housing.

So for London to host the Olympics again we would either have to evict people from their new homes (or build another village), rebuild parts of the aquatic and main stadiums, evict the current tenants of the olympic stadium, rebuild lots of the tempory structures and get the use of the Excel Centre, O2 Dome and Eaton rowing lake again some of who have events booked already.

That's going to take time and money. Money that has to come from somewhere and we aren't going to be happy paying the price for hosting it again.


WiFi rights at the venues.
 
2014-05-09 04:47:19 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Because only white people can run a corrupt gathering of doped-up athletes struggling to set records and pass blood tests AT THE SAME TIME!!1!

Now pulling out of Rio because they have more than one deadly contagion threatening world plague...now that's understandable.


The Orientals did well in 2008.  Especially the doping part.

Also, I think this is just (i) a slow news day (ii) a way to urge the Brazilians to get their acts together.  No way is the IOC going to move the Olympics.
 
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