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(The Atlantic)   Dude. Duuuuuude. You don't need Hillary and you don't need Lizzie Warren. Yeah, they're biatchin' but c'mon. Uncle Joe can do what they do, do it better, AND get you backstage with Foghat   (theatlantic.com) divider line 101
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2014-05-09 02:07:24 PM  
I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.
 
2014-05-09 04:04:34 PM  
subby you're making Joe Biden sound like Matthew McConaughey in Dazed and Confused
 
2014-05-09 04:13:33 PM  

mrshowrules: I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.


Too bad. You'll get Harper and like it!
 
2014-05-09 04:14:23 PM  
because of the demographics and the fact that republicans are insane he'd win against whoever their nominee is going to be but I don't see him capturing the imagination of the primary voters.
 
2014-05-09 04:16:49 PM  

mrshowrules: I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.


What do you have against Warren?
 
2014-05-09 04:16:54 PM  
It's gonna be Hillary

www.slate.com
 
2014-05-09 04:17:05 PM  
I saw Foghat and Triumph in Pittsburgh in '83.  It was farking awesome.
 
2014-05-09 04:17:18 PM  

Headso: because of the demographics and the fact that republicans are insane he'd win against whoever their nominee is going to be but I don't see him capturing the imagination of the primary voters.


Aw, that's not fair.  There's a sane Republican presidential hopeful out there.

Like...um...that white guy?
 
2014-05-09 04:17:25 PM  

Headso: because of the demographics and the fact that republicans are insane he'd win against whoever their nominee is going to be but I don't see him capturing the imagination of the primary voters.


He would if he'd throw empty and crushed Icehouse cans at his debate opponents on live TV.
 
2014-05-09 04:20:13 PM  
images.tvrage.com

Ok. Now that I've RTFA, I'm really feeling old.
 
2014-05-09 04:20:54 PM  

The Bestest: mrshowrules: I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.

What do you have against Warren?


They could be legitimately pro-biden?  The guy's clever enough to completely take-down ignoramuses like Palin or rudimentary pseudo-intellectual blowhards like Ryan in a debate*.

*this was literally the only thing I could think of specifically to praise about Biden.   I think I need to read up.
 
2014-05-09 04:22:36 PM  

ikanreed: The Bestest: mrshowrules: I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.

What do you have against Warren?

They could be legitimately pro-biden?  The guy's clever enough to completely take-down ignoramuses like Palin or rudimentary pseudo-intellectual blowhards like Ryan in a debate*.

*this was literally the only thing I could think of specifically to praise about Biden.   I think I need to read up.


He pushed the President to act on gay rights. Pretty decent progressive cred.
 
2014-05-09 04:22:56 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: I saw Foghat and Triumph in Pittsburgh in '83.  It was farking awesome.


My first concert was Foghat and some other midpacker. Black Oak Arkansas? And I shiat you not, I'm so old I've forgotten the year. Early to mid-70s.
 
2014-05-09 04:25:04 PM  
Joe Biden is an old school drug warrior who I will never vote for. Anyone dumb enough to support the war on some drugs, is not someone that I will vote for.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/joe-biden-drug-war_n_227970 2. html
 
2014-05-09 04:25:06 PM  
I like Biden as "Uncle Joe the Veep" but don't really want him in the big job.  I don't trust his instincts on foreign policy, which is supposedly his strength (he was apparently against the Osama Bin Laden takedown mission in Pakistan, for instance, and his idea of breaking up Iraq into five different countries, while having a certain logic behind it, was impractical to say the least in the real world), and he's firmly in the cartoony version of a "gun grabber" on his overly pro-gun control stance (which is electoral poison in lots of purple states, not to mention red ones).

I don't really want Hillary either, but her great performance as Secretary of State has softened my circa 2008 dislike of her.  I wish she was still Secretary of State; she was better than Kerry by a long shot.
 
2014-05-09 04:25:30 PM  

gimmegimme: Headso: because of the demographics and the fact that republicans are insane he'd win against whoever their nominee is going to be but I don't see him capturing the imagination of the primary voters.

Aw, that's not fair.  There's a sane Republican presidential hopeful out there.

Like...um...that white guy?


generic republican is going to nab the nomination this time!
 
2014-05-09 04:27:20 PM  

The Bestest: What do you have against Warren?


I like Warren, but I think she would rile the imagination of the Republican base more than any other possible candidate. I know a handful of moderate Republicans/conservatives, and not a single one of them give a flying fark about Benghazi or any of the supposed skeletons in the Clinton closet, so that card being played again and again in the event of a Hillary nomination doesn't worry me one bit.

Warren though, being more left on fiscal issues than any other  major player in the fold, including the Muslim Socialist Kenyan guy she'd replace? Fireworks a plenty.
 
2014-05-09 04:28:02 PM  
I wouldn't vote for Joe until subby said, "Foghat".

I'm aboard now!
 
2014-05-09 04:28:39 PM  
Biden/Clinton 2016.

That would be beautiful.
 
2014-05-09 04:29:25 PM  
Foghat  rules!
 
2014-05-09 04:30:22 PM  

AspectRatio: Biden/Clinton 2016.

That would be beautiful.


Hillary will never take the second slot on the ticket, no matter who is the Presidential nominee.
 
2014-05-09 04:31:01 PM  

AspectRatio: Biden/Clinton 2016.

That would be beautiful.


I couldn't see Hillary accepting a veep nod at this point in her life.. especially not to Biden.
 
2014-05-09 04:32:29 PM  

Geotpf: AspectRatio: Biden/Clinton 2016.

That would be beautiful.

Hillary will never take the second slot on the ticket, no matter who is the Presidential nominee.


Hey I'm not saying it's likely, but it would be beautiful, if only to witness the derpstorm to end all derpstorms.
 
2014-05-09 04:33:18 PM  

mrshowrules: I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.


That surprises me. Why is that?
 
2014-05-09 04:34:39 PM  
It would be nice if a liberal ran for president. I can dream.
 
2014-05-09 04:38:44 PM  

Killer Cars: I like Warren, but I think she would rile the imagination of the Republican base more than any other possible candidate.


I think those people aren't going to vote for her anyway and will get riled up no matter who is the candidate. What is more important is have someone that will get Democrats out to vote for.

I do think it would be better if warren had more experience. I think Obama would have been a better president if he has more experience on how to twist people's arms. Clinton and Biden I think have that experience but Warren I am nervous might get in over her head. Would love to see her run on the next election cycle.
 
2014-05-09 04:39:40 PM  
If he campaigned, would he pull the Democrats leftward?  I'm not convinced he could beat Hillary, but if he at least nudged her in a more liberal direction then I'd go for it.
 
2014-05-09 04:40:52 PM  
I like Joe, but he's way too old.
 
2014-05-09 04:41:05 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If he campaigned, would he pull the Democrats leftward?  I'm not convinced he could beat Hillary, but if he at least nudged her in a more liberal direction then I'd go for it.


He's a drug warrior, I fail so see how he's liberal.
 
2014-05-09 04:41:19 PM  
My vote is going to whichever Dem candidate chooses Warren as VP.

/oh please please please
 
2014-05-09 04:43:40 PM  

TheJoe03: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If he campaigned, would he pull the Democrats leftward?  I'm not convinced he could beat Hillary, but if he at least nudged her in a more liberal direction then I'd go for it.

He's a drug warrior, I fail so see how he's liberal.


He's also a bit of a corporatist. I consider Biden more fiscally to the right than Obama.
 
2014-05-09 04:46:50 PM  

theknuckler_33: I like Joe, but he's way too old.


A very reasonable point.  He's five years older than Hillary, for example.
 
2014-05-09 04:48:35 PM  

The Bestest: mrshowrules: I would take Biden over Warren or Hillary in a heartbeat.

What do you have against Warren?


"Cherry Pie" was insanely sexist.
 
2014-05-09 04:48:40 PM  

El Morro: My vote is going to whichever Dem candidate chooses Warren as VP.

/oh please please please


I like Warren, but I can't see her doing nearly as much good as where she is now.  Right now she's in a position to put forth legislation and actually affect change.  The veep position really doesn't get to do the kinds of things she could actually accomplish in the Senate.
 
2014-05-09 04:50:24 PM  
Why the hell would I want Joe Biden in office? He's been the Vice President during a consistently impotent and liberty-crushing Presidency.  As much as I hate Hillary, at least she was part of an overall positive administration
 
2014-05-09 04:53:03 PM  
I'd love Warren, but she isn't running (she's annoyed when people ask) I doubt she could get much passed in this climate.

I'd also prefer Joe over Hillary.  Biden's been the deal broker of this presidency.  Whatever's gotten done in this administration has been because he's well-liked in the Senate, or because he's "gaffed" and said something sincere.
 
2014-05-09 04:53:23 PM  

OutsmartBullet: impotent and liberty-crushing


Pick one.
 
2014-05-09 04:53:28 PM  

OutsmartBullet: Why the hell would I want Joe Biden in office? He's been the Vice President during a consistently impotent and liberty-crushing Presidency.  As much as I hate Hillary, at least she was part of an overall positive administration


Honest question... among all of the viable candidates (on either side) in 2008 and 2012, whose administration do you believe would have been less "liberty crushing" than the current?
 
2014-05-09 04:53:53 PM  

OutsmartBullet: Why the hell would I want Joe Biden in office?


Pontiac will come back in business, but only to sell the1981 Pontiac Trans Am
 
2014-05-09 04:54:05 PM  
liberty-crushing

LOL
 
2014-05-09 04:54:23 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Joe Biden is an old school drug warrior who I will never vote for. Anyone dumb enough to support the war on some drugs, is not someone that I will vote for.


That's a shame.  I wonder if he'll have moved any after 8 years.
 
2014-05-09 04:56:17 PM  
Foghat ain't Foghat without Lonesome Dave.
 
2014-05-09 04:56:25 PM  
Clinton, Biden, Warren, Richardson, Cuomo, O'Malley, Warner... any and all of them would make excellent presidents, with demonstrated experience, gravitas and moral stature incumbent in a POTUS. I can think of half a dozen more Democrats who already have achieved or or on the brink of achieving the background necessary for the job. On the Republican side, there's... uh... well, there's always.... um... Huntsman I guess.... or maybe... Jeb seems OK...

I'll get back to you on that one.
 
2014-05-09 04:56:34 PM  
Bush. Clinton. Bush. some other guy. Clinton.

NO FARKING WAY.

I'm against Hillary just on general principle that we can't have 2 families being that powerful for close to 40 years.
 
2014-05-09 04:56:35 PM  

msqualia: Communist_Manifesto: Joe Biden is an old school drug warrior who I will never vote for. Anyone dumb enough to support the war on some drugs, is not someone that I will vote for.

That's a shame.  I wonder if he'll have moved any after 8 years.


Unfortunately I highly doubt. The guy is pretty dedicated to making harsher drug laws. He wrote the legislation to create the "drug czar" ffs.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Joe_Biden_Drugs.htm
 
2014-05-09 04:57:09 PM  

charlesmartel11235: subby you're making Joe Biden sound like Matthew McConaughey in Dazed and Confused


And considering he is one of the Drug War's last remaining warriors, it really doesn't make much sense.
 
2014-05-09 04:57:58 PM  

Tax Boy: Bush. Clinton. Bush. some other guy. Clinton.

NO FARKING WAY.

I'm against Hillary just on general principle that we can't have 2 families being that powerful for close to 40 years.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-09 04:58:02 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: msqualia: Communist_Manifesto: Joe Biden is an old school drug warrior who I will never vote for. Anyone dumb enough to support the war on some drugs, is not someone that I will vote for.

That's a shame.  I wonder if he'll have moved any after 8 years.

Unfortunately I highly doubt it. The guy is pretty dedicated to making harsher drug laws. He wrote the legislation to create the "drug czar" ffs.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Joe_Biden_Drugs.htm


ftfm
 
2014-05-09 04:58:21 PM  

Tax Boy: Bush. Clinton. Bush. some other guy. Clinton.

NO FARKING WAY.

I'm against Hillary just on general principle that we can't have 2 families being that powerful for close to 40 years.


Well, the GOP is thinking about offering you another option.  His name's Bush, might be you're familiar with him.
 
2014-05-09 04:59:22 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Joe Biden is an old school drug warrior who I will never vote for. Anyone dumb enough to support the war on some drugs, is not someone that I will vote for.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/joe-biden-drug-war_n_227970 2. html


The info in that article was mostly 4+ years old, and much of the rest was speculation. While Biden absolutely is right of many people these days - most of whom support medical legalization, if not total - I think his current position ("let the states that have legalized it alone") is not horrible, and I bet for a 2016 campaign, we'd see further "evolution" of his stance.

// Feingold/Warren 2016
// or maybe Dean/Warren (or Warren/Dean; either way works) 2016
 
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