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2014-05-09 05:54:35 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


As a motorcycle rider, I have a policy that if one of them causes me to lay the bike down, I'm aiming it right at them.

As a pedestrian, I hate the way they hop up on the sidewalk and buzz me at 25mph without saying anything.

As a car driver, I hate way they take up the whole lane and slow everyone down. Not to mention the bike lanes that cyclists DO NOT PAY FOR cause the bus lines to make little concrete islands (Seattle) and therefore do not pull off the road at stops, but just stop in the middle of the street now, every quarter mile.

If cyclists JUST did all these things, they would be perfectly worthy of hate, but they also have this self righteous superiority complex that makes them the most obnoxious hobbyists in the world. They are even worse than Harley riders with loud pipes and even worse than audiophiles.
 
2014-05-09 06:41:50 PM  

cgraves67: toadist: JPINFV: So... naturally... the cyclists should have to learn how to drive large trucks so that they realize they don't turn and stop on a dime, as well as having huge blind spots?

Yes,  I think that should also be required.

Given the way many car drivers behave around semis, EVERYONE should have to learn how to drive one have to go for a ride-along with someone who can drive a truck.


FTFY because some people just can't farking do it.

/drove OTR for 8 years
//never squished an idiot
///came close way too many times because people are stupid
 
2014-05-09 06:54:47 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: mama2tnt: Yogimus: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

Many have earned it.

/biked 20+ miles per day for work from 15-21
//Knew the road rules
///Most drivers and cyclists don't

On my drive home yesterday, idiot bicyclist AND HIS DOG wasn't going to stop for the stop sign and, flying along, barely saw me in time and slammed on the brakes just in time. (Lucky for him, it wasn't raining and his brakes were working great.) Aren't bicycles supposed to obey ALL the rules of the road that any other wheeled traffic does, including stopping for stop signs?


Yes.


No, they aren't. They are usually afforded the privileges of motor vehicles, but any restrictions vary by state and city so you know anyone giving a single answer is just making things up.
 
2014-05-09 07:00:30 PM  

Headso: How about just don't  use roads built for commerce as work out equipment and everyone would be better off. If you use your bike for actual transportation rock on.


Fortunately, most actually do ride for transportation in the US.  Though in hotter climates, particularly in the southern plains, it can be hard to tell, simply because touring bikes and sweat-wicking fabrics are damn near requirements unless you live in a small town.  Otherwise distance and climate become factors.
 
2014-05-09 07:05:21 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


No.  It's like furries.  It's just a sniper target for internet tough guys too uncreative and too out of shape to leave the basement.

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2014-05-09 07:06:46 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


Yes.

No one likes cyclists, except for cyclists, and even them I'm not sure about. I'm amazed you had to ask, it's hardly a secret. I figured this was pretty much common knowledge by now.
 
2014-05-09 07:12:48 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

No.  It's like furries.  It's just a sniper target for internet tough guys too uncreative and too out of shape to leave the basement.


Why would you need to be in-shape to be a furry? I'd have thought those suits could hide a multitude of sins.

/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.
 
2014-05-09 07:12:56 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: This is a fantastic way to get hit by turning traffic which isn't expecting somebody to enter the intersection fast and without good sight lines.  Most bike paths aren't fit for more then a family outing with the kids on training wheels - incredibly poorly designed for actual riding.


Thank God Tulsa did a reasonably good job of putting LARGE medians between the cycleway and adjacent streets with good sightlines.

Now a few for the cyclists.

Cardinal rule - don't piss people off.

1. Stop for stop signs and signals.


Or follow the local Idaho Stop law as applicable, unexpectedly stopping in front of another cyclist or motorcyclist when there's no need to do so is a good way to get run over in Oklahoma, Missouri and Hot Springs, Arkansas...

2. Ride single file when there is traffic.
3. When riding in large groups, signal when it's safe for following traffic to pass.


For liability reasons, it's better to find a hard shoulder and pull out as applicable, as if you're using a slow vehicle turnout on a mountain road.  Signal someone to pass and then they screw it up and get into a wreck, it's on you.  God Bless America!

4. When you get to a light, don't ride past all the people who were just delayed passing you on the past stretch.  It pisses them off to have to do it again.

Hell, 4 pisses off other cyclists who are waiting in traffic rather than trying to illegally lanesplit up to the front.  It's like that douchebag on the freeway using the shoulder as their own personal turn lane for the next exit.
 
2014-05-09 07:16:10 PM  
people who call themselves "Cyclists" are generally amorphous containers of feminine cleansing product.
 
2014-05-09 07:19:25 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Not to mention the bike lanes that cyclists DO NOT PAY FOR cause the bus lines to make little concrete islands (Seattle) and therefore do not pull off the road at stops, but just stop in the middle of the street now, every quarter mile.


Actually, given how little Washington State charges in car tags (it only covers the cost of issuing the car tags and maintaining the database), how low the gas tax is (only covers about 35% of maintenance of existing infrastructure) and it's reliance on the general fund, compared to how much Washington State pays out on nonmotorized infrastructure, they're not only paying for the roads, they're subsidizing your car and motorcycle.
 
2014-05-09 07:29:38 PM  

Nidiot: Baloo Uriza: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

No.  It's like furries.  It's just a sniper target for internet tough guys too uncreative and too out of shape to leave the basement.

Why would you need to be in-shape to be a furry? I'd have thought those suits could hide a multitude of sins.


Ignoring the fact that you seem to be misguided on what people do with costumes that cost around that of a high end touring bike or a used car, if you're not in shape, you're probably not going to be able to handle the heat very well, much less put on a good act.  Heck, I'm in reasonably decent shape and last weekend at the Traveler's Cross Fantasy Fair in Strang, OK was rather hard...those things get heavier the longer you wear 'em in 95° heat (though I suffer more than most since mine is a black bear).

i.imgur.com

/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.
 
2014-05-09 07:30:46 PM  
I will happily leave room when I pass a cyclist... once. If they pass me on the right while I'm at a red light I don't leave any room when I pass them again.
 
2014-05-09 07:36:52 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Not to mention the bike lanes that cyclists DO NOT PAY FOR cause the bus lines to make little concrete islands (Seattle) and therefore do not pull off the road at stops, but just stop in the middle of the street now, every quarter mile.

Actually, given how little Washington State charges in car tags (it only covers the cost of issuing the car tags and maintaining the database), how low the gas tax is (only covers about 35% of maintenance of existing infrastructure) and it's reliance on the general fund, compared to how much Washington State pays out on nonmotorized infrastructure, they're not only paying for the roads, they're subsidizing your car and motorcycle.


So exactly where is the money coming from if the cars aren't paying for the roads?  The bicyclists aren't paying a dime into it, and I think adult and teen riders should.  Now I don't know how much WA charges for car registration, but I'm sure mine is more than the cost of the paperwork.  Now, I'm okay with some of our expressways get turned into toll roads, because our roads suck so bad and if that will improve the roads, I'm for it at this point.  But when they take lanes away from cars, that's real-estate that needs to be paid for, even if it is only $10-$15 per bike per year.  In return, bikes without BIN's get assigned a BIN so if stolen, it may help in getting the bike back.  Well about the same success of getting a car back.
 
2014-05-09 07:59:34 PM  

lack of warmth: So exactly where is the money coming from if the cars aren't paying for the roads?


The general fund.  In Oklahoma, the roads are primarily paid for by sales taxes, INCLUDING the turnpikes (your turnpike toll is only paying the mortgages to the indian tribes the state bought the land from in Oklahoma, and in the case of the older ones like the Turner Turnpike, they're not even covering interest on it at this point due to lower traffic volumes than predicted when it was approved in 1928; the Turner Turnpike was estimated before it was built in 1928 to carry more vehicles by 1960 than I 405 in LA does today).

The bicyclists aren't paying a dime into it, and I think adult and teen riders should.

I learned something today:  Bicyclists don't pay income, sales or property taxes.

Now I don't know how much WA charges for car registration, but I'm sure mine is more than the cost of the paperwork.

You underestimate the bureaucracy.  That situation's the norm pretty much everywhere but Oklahoma, which still charges lower and lower car tax rates each year you keep the car in an effort to be a little more green (it takes less to keep an old car on the road than build a new one) and encourage people to drive with some caution (a throwback to before insurance became mandatory about two years ago), in which registration is partly subsidized by the general fund on older vehicles as well.

Now, I'm okay with some of our expressways get turned into toll roads, because our roads suck so bad and if that will improve the roads, I'm for it at this point.  But when they take lanes away from cars, that's real-estate that needs to be paid for, even if it is only $10-$15 per bike per year.  In return, bikes without BIN's get assigned a BIN so if stolen, it may help in getting the bike back.  Well about the same success of getting a car back.

Literally every place that's tried this has spent more money on enforcement and seen an increase in motor vehicle traffic and a decrease of bicycle traffic.  Keep in mind that bicycles take up less space on the road and are generally much easier to pass than other motorists.  And every bicycle that isn't one of those Walmart specials you can outright own for about what it costs to rent a bicycle (and last roughly as long as a bicycle rental) has a serial number on the bottom bracket that makes the machine obviously identifiable to start with, so there goes that argument, too.

The southern plains already went through the logic you're trying to use and ultimately rejected it.  Which is why it's rare to see a bicycle with a permit sticker that's expired more recently than 1992, if it's got one at all:  Cities long ago abandoned spending money on something that doesn't work.
 
2014-05-09 08:04:17 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Nidiot: 
/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.


That may be true, but I they are seriously outnumbered.
 
2014-05-09 08:25:16 PM  

Nidiot: Baloo Uriza: Nidiot: 
/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.

That may be true, but I they are seriously outnumbered.


If that were literally the case, motor vehicles wouldn't be viable at all because it'd be all Mad Max and shiat.
 
2014-05-09 08:29:55 PM  
TWO bicycle hate threads in one day? Really? Really?
 
2014-05-09 08:37:41 PM  
Baloo Uriza:
The general fund.  In Oklahoma, the roads are primarily paid for by sales taxes, INCLUDING the turnpikes (your turnpike toll is only paying the mortgages to the indian tribes the state bought the land from in Oklahoma, and in the case of the older ones like the Turner Turnpike, they're not even covering interest on it at this point due to lower traffic volumes than predicted when it was approved in 1928; the Turner Turnpike was estimated before it was built in 1928 to carry more vehicles by 1960 than I 405 in LA does today).

Okay, but the discussion started about WA, not OK.  MI doesn't have turnpikes, yet.

I learned something today:  Bicyclists don't pay income, sales or property taxes.

Most of the cyclists I see in Flint, don't pay income or property tax, and rarely has money for items that do have sales tax, since we don't charge sales tax on food.  However, I think they can come up with a few dollars a year.

You underestimate the bureaucracy.  That situation's the norm pretty much everywhere but Oklahoma, which still charges lower and lower car tax rates each year you keep the car in an effort to be a little more green (it takes less to keep an old car on the road than build a new one) and encourage people to drive with some caution (a throwback to before insurance became mandatory about two years ago), in which registration is partly subsidized by the general fund on older vehicles as well.

I'm not underestimating it at all, you have no idea what I pay.  But I'm sure it doesn't cost no $65 to send me a sticker and a piece of paper in the mail for the small truck.  If it did, they would raise the price.

Literally every place that's tried this has spent more money on enforcement and seen an increase in motor vehicle traffic and a decrease of bicycle traffic.

I still like the idea, and I always will.  I'm sure the early days of forcing vehicle registration and licensing met with much resistance, it can happen.  We need some enforcement of the laws, or take the lanes back.

 Keep in mind that bicycles take up less space on the road and are generally much easier to pass than other motorists.

No, they are a pain to deal with, since no one has enforced any laws on bicyclists, they ride like morons.  It is rare to see a bike traveling along with traffic as oppose to against traffic.  The last time I was downtown Flint and noticed how the main road through the city had been cut from four lanes to three to make bike lanes, I saw only one group of cyclists, on the sidewalk.  Really, all of your argument sounds like complete ramblings of a lunatic to me.  I might sound that way to you too, but I really don't care.

And every bicycle that isn't one of those Walmart specials you can outright own for about what it costs to rent a bicycle (and last roughly as long as a bicycle rental) has a serial number on the bottom bracket that makes the machine obviously identifiable to start with, so there goes that argument, too.

Bikes sold anywhere outside of specialty shops do not have serial numbers, not just walmart.  You came off as a douche with that statement.
 
2014-05-09 08:51:20 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Nidiot: Baloo Uriza: Nidiot:
/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.

That may be true, but I think they are seriously outnumbered.

If that were literally the case, motor vehicles wouldn't be viable at all because it'd be all Mad Max and shiat.


Perhaps you can be semi-rational with anger issues without going all Mad Max. I hate cyclists, so does everyone I know, and none of us has actually even run a cyclist off the road.....yet. Unless the people who hate cyclists aren't actually also all semi-rational with anger issues.

Either way, like it or not, lots of people still hate cyclists, and calling those people fat basement dwellers or semi-rational people with anger issues doesn't really change that.
 
2014-05-09 09:17:29 PM  
I live in an area where it's really not safe to ride a bike...two-lane back roads with hardly any shoulders, plenty of hills.  Had to drive around a cyclist today in my town who was practically in the middle of the road.

They say you should never honk at them because they may get startled and do something stupid.

Yeah, you gotta share the road, but no one ever said you had to like putting up with them and them holding up traffic because they won't get as far over to the right as possible....
 
2014-05-09 09:45:03 PM  

lack of warmth: Baloo Uriza:
The general fund.  In Oklahoma, the roads are primarily paid for by sales taxes, INCLUDING the turnpikes (your turnpike toll is only paying the mortgages to the indian tribes the state bought the land from in Oklahoma, and in the case of the older ones like the Turner Turnpike, they're not even covering interest on it at this point due to lower traffic volumes than predicted when it was approved in 1928; the Turner Turnpike was estimated before it was built in 1928 to carry more vehicles by 1960 than I 405 in LA does today).

Okay, but the discussion started about WA, not OK.  MI doesn't have turnpikes, yet.


Not that it matters, since there's no state that doesn't have the same problem of motorists getting subsidized by everyone whether or not they drive.  I mean, if you want to up the gas tax a bit to keep in line with the growing costs of maintenance, go ahead and argue for that.  But I doubt it's going to be an easy sell given how few motorists actually bother to look through their state's transportation budget to understand that they're getting off pretty easy compared to what it costs to support them.

I learned something today:  Bicyclists don't pay income, sales or property taxes.

Most of the cyclists I see in Flint, don't pay income or property tax, and rarely has money for items that do have sales tax, since we don't charge sales tax on food.  However, I think they can come up with a few dollars a year.

You underestimate the bureaucracy.  That situation's the norm pretty much everywhere but Oklahoma, which still charges lower and lower car tax rates each year you keep the car in an effort to be a little more green (it takes less to keep an old car on the road than build a new one) and encourage people to drive with some caution (a throwback to before insurance became mandatory about two years ago), in which registration is partly subsidized by the general fund on older vehicles as well.

I'm not underestimating it at all, you have no idea what I pay.  But I'm sure it doesn't cost no $65 to send me a sticker and a piece of paper in the mail for the small truck.  If it did, they would raise the price.


You're also paying for the staff that works at the office that issues that sticker, and the database that keeps track of your state's vehicle registration records, the servers it resides on, the data center it's in, the electricity to power it all, the support staff to run all that...  You think that's all free?

Literally every place that's tried this has spent more money on enforcement and seen an increase in motor vehicle traffic and a decrease of bicycle traffic.

I still like the idea, and I always will.  I'm sure the early days of forcing vehicle registration and licensing met with much resistance, it can happen.  We need some enforcement of the l ...


Actually, the early days of vehicle registration came about because people got tired of having their friends, family and colleagues mowed down by some asshat in a nondescript and practically unidentifiable car.

No, they are a pain to deal with, since no one has enforced any laws on bicyclists, they ride like morons.

Enforcement rates per capita out of the motorist population is generally identical among cyclists as it is among motorists.  You're just used to the motorist form of moron thanks to the relatively one-sided ratio of what's on the road.  That said, as a commercial driver, the amateur motorists are a much harder to dodge and far more lethal hazard to my job.

Bikes sold anywhere outside of specialty shops do not have serial numbers, not just walmart.  You came off as a douche with that statement.

Considering anything you get from a store that isn't a bicycle dealership is a single-use bicycle, there's not much point in stamping a serial number on it anyway: It's not designed to last more than 50 miles or so.  If Target sold no-name cars for $1000, would you trust yourself to it?
 
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