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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-09 10:10:19 AM  
If you turn right (in America) in an urban area you're liable to have a big mess to hose off your truck or bus. Trucks slow down a lot for right turns and bikes pass them on the right.
 
2014-05-09 10:43:54 AM  
But what about skinny truck drivers?
 
2014-05-09 01:02:29 PM  
Cyclists should be forced to take a physics class or three, till they get it.
 
2014-05-09 02:53:16 PM  
Yeah, cyclists are scum.
 
2014-05-09 02:53:59 PM  
 
2014-05-09 02:56:05 PM  
Subby is a bit of a psychopath. Or does he think being crushed by a truck is a bit like a paper cut?
 
2014-05-09 02:56:54 PM  
So... naturally... the cyclists should have to learn how to drive large trucks so that they realize they don't turn and stop on a dime, as well as having huge blind spots?
 
2014-05-09 02:57:41 PM  

opiumpoopy: Subby is a bit of a psychopath. Or does he think being crushed by a truck is a bit like a paper cut?


I took it that subby sides with cyclists and was being satirical about truckers targeting cyclists.
 
2014-05-09 02:59:07 PM  
img.fark.net


*DING*

aaaand ROUND TWO!
 
2014-05-09 02:59:22 PM  

doglover: Cyclists should be forced to take a physics class or three, till they get it hits them.


FTFY
 
2014-05-09 03:01:11 PM  

JPINFV: So... naturally... the cyclists should have to learn how to drive large trucks so that they realize they don't turn and stop on a dime, as well as having huge blind spots?


Yes,  I think that should also be required.
 
2014-05-09 03:02:52 PM  

toadist: JPINFV: So... naturally... the cyclists should have to learn how to drive large trucks so that they realize they don't turn and stop on a dime, as well as having huge blind spots?

Yes,  I think that should also be required.


Given the way many car drivers behave around semis, EVERYONE should have to learn how to drive one.
 
2014-05-09 03:09:10 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Classic and oblig Cummins diesel truck passes some bicyclists on a mountain road
Its just a little mean.


Hope that farker enjoys the engine overhaul he's overdue for.
 
2014-05-09 03:09:16 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Classic and oblig Cummins diesel truck passes some bicyclists on a mountain road
Its just a little mean.


I laughed.

I'm a bad person.

*chuckles again*

/Cyclists are just misunderstood Angels with two wheels.
//Two. GODDAM. Wheels.
 
2014-05-09 03:10:18 PM  
How about just don't  use roads built for commerce as work out equipment and everyone would be better off. If you use your bike for actual transportation rock on.
 
2014-05-09 03:11:44 PM  
Scariest moment biking: I'm in the right lane, doing about 40km/h, transport truck comes alongside doing probably 60km/h, get's half way along side me without a lot of room between me and the trailer, then slams on the brakes and turns right.

Yeah, that was fun.

I hit the brakes, hard, managed to not skid underneath the trailer, and then bailed up onto the curbside.

If I hadn't he would have run me over 100% for certain.

Of course, he just trundled off.

Second scariest moment had almost the same thing, except it was a drunk used car salesman in a car, and I was doing at least 60km/h down a steep hill when he raced past and then turned right in front of me (to a bar).  This was pre-cellphone days, so by the time I got to a phone (the bar wouldn't let me use theirs, and the guy was a bit of a nut) it had been too long and he'd started drinking at the bar.  Cops basically said "thanks for the report, nothing to see here".
 
2014-05-09 03:12:52 PM  
They should hire a spokes-person.
 
2014-05-09 03:14:07 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Classic and oblig Cummins diesel truck passes some bicyclists on a mountain road
Its just a little mean.


just a little. Road Wars 2014 is about to start in Colorado. No compromise, no surrender.
 
2014-05-09 03:17:58 PM  
I really worry about cyclists on the road...scratching the chrome on the front bumper of my truck.
 
2014-05-09 03:23:52 PM  
I've logged alot of road miles all over the country on all kinds of roads.  Well into 5 figures.

The professional drivers - tractor trailers, etc. - don't scare me.  I've never had an issue with them.  They generally know where they are, where you are, and make sure those don't intersect.

The things that scare the shiat out of me on the road are, in ascending order:

1. All cars
2. Drivers with cell phones
3. RV drivers who spend 50 weeks out of the year in the Lexus, then drive HWY 1 in something the size of a greyhound bus pulling a trailer the other 2 weeks.  They have no fscking idea where they are.
4. 5th wheel drivers who have no idea just how far their mirrors stick out.

/NCSB
// waited in the rain for an hour for an ambulance holding a poncho over a guy who got his shoulder destroyed by one of these

5. Redneck asshole in car
6. Redneck asshole in pickup truck
7. Redneck asshole & friends in pickup truck

#7 combines the general asshole redneck tendencies with the "Hey y'all, watch this" phenomena and the stupid people in groups multipliers in full effect.  Have been intentionally run off the road, things thrown at me etc.  This was pretty rare when I started touring in the 80s and 90s, but it seems to have gotten much worse.

Haven't been much of a road rider for years, would like to do it again.  Mountain bikes are great, but there's something about hammering big gears with a tailwind on the open road.  But if I do, I'll have a gopro and be conspicuously armed.
 
2014-05-09 03:25:16 PM  
I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?
 
2014-05-09 03:26:07 PM  
c2.staticflickr.com
 
2014-05-09 03:33:56 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


Welcome to Fark. Most of these fatass keyboard commandos don't get out of the basement.
 
2014-05-09 03:35:05 PM  
Know your enemy
thedrbuffexperience.com
 
2014-05-09 03:40:09 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


you wonder why groups of men in spandex slowing everyone's commute down so they can work out annoy people? You just need to switch out 1 piece of the puzzle and it'l be cool...
 groups of women in spandex working out slowing down my commute, I can deal with it.
 groups of men in spandex not slowing down my commute, cool.
 groups of men in parachute pants slowing my commute down, hey fine with me.

but you gotta have it all, don't you!! DON'T YOU!!!???
 
2014-05-09 03:40:45 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Mountain bikes are great, but there's something about hammering big gears with a tailwind on the open road.


I know for a fact that "tailwind", while road biking, is a myth.
 
2014-05-09 03:42:47 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


Many have earned it.

/biked 20+ miles per day for work from 15-21
//Knew the road rules
///Most drivers and cyclists don't
 
2014-05-09 03:45:07 PM  

doglover: Cyclists should be forced to take a physics class or three, till they get it.


//Avid cyclist and aerospace engineer..pretty sure I got that physics shiat down
 
2014-05-09 03:48:16 PM  

Yogimus: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

Many have earned it.

/biked 20+ miles per day for work from 15-21
//Knew the road rules
///Most drivers and cyclists don't


On my drive home yesterday, idiot bicyclist AND HIS DOG wasn't going to stop for the stop sign and, flying along, barely saw me in time and slammed on the brakes just in time. (Lucky for him, it wasn't raining and his brakes were working great.) Aren't bicycles supposed to obey ALL the rules of the road that any other wheeled traffic does, including stopping for stop signs?

/I would've been so pissed if anything had happened to that dog.
 
2014-05-09 03:50:58 PM  

ZAZ: If you turn right (in America) in an urban area you're liable to have a big mess to hose off your truck or bus. Trucks slow down a lot for right turns and bikes pass them on the right.


Fun fact: lots of motorists, trucks included, like to wait 'til the last moment to signal, rather than starting the signal  the last 100 ft before the turn (CA VC, dunno about other states, but I'm betting it's similar) cuz farkholes aren't paying attention. By then it's too farking late for the bicyclist who's on the right going straight.

But cyclists... fark 'em, right?

/I drive
//I bike
///I farking signal WELL before the turn when I drive
////I'm very mindful of cars when I bike
 
2014-05-09 03:52:33 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Lamberts Ho Man: Mountain bikes are great, but there's something about hammering big gears with a tailwind on the open road.

I know for a fact that "tailwind", while road biking, is a myth.


Had a 20+ MPH tailwind for 50 miles once - downhill also!  At one point I sat straight in the saddle, saw 30 mph on the computer and felt no wind in my face.  Was awesome!

Then I had to turn around.

/ Death Valley Century around 97 or so.
// My fastest split ever - somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 hours.
/// My slowest century ever - to embarrassed to put it down in print.
 
2014-05-09 03:53:45 PM  

mama2tnt: Yogimus: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

Many have earned it.

/biked 20+ miles per day for work from 15-21
//Knew the road rules
///Most drivers and cyclists don't

On my drive home yesterday, idiot bicyclist AND HIS DOG wasn't going to stop for the stop sign and, flying along, barely saw me in time and slammed on the brakes just in time. (Lucky for him, it wasn't raining and his brakes were working great.) Aren't bicycles supposed to obey ALL the rules of the road that any other wheeled traffic does, including stopping for stop signs?


Yes.
 
2014-05-09 04:04:18 PM  
As a former truck drive all I can do is to shake my head at this story.  From day ONE commercial drivers have it drilled into their minds that you must watch virtually everything at all times.  We get trained that we MUST maintain a feild of awareness that extends several truck lengths in from of the truck as well as from side to side.

Honestly I love to see this situation be applied in the opposite direct, here in the US.  Training for EVERYONE to NOT do stupid things in front of truckers.  'Big Rigs' are 80,000 pound ballistic missiles.  The laws of physics do not allow them to just stop for any nimrod that's in a hurry.  If you accelerate in front of a rig, dodge across three lanes of a traffic to make a turn, then stop for the red light you're probably going to get massed flat.  That's a story from my own book of idiotic highway stories.  I didn't mass the idiot.  But I did jack knife the truck across three lanes of traffic.  I'm still amazed that I didn't hit anyone at all in that mess.
 
2014-05-09 04:09:30 PM  
Look.  I'm a bicyclist.  I have near-collisions with trucks and cars almost every day.

Please, motorists.  Keep your eyes open for cyclists like me, who ride 30 miles per hour through a red light at a blind intersection at nine p.m. while wearing dark clothing before zipping the wrong way across seven lanes of traffic.

Share the road.
 
2014-05-09 04:13:19 PM  
When I'm a pedestrian on a cross walk and some cyclist tries to ignore a red I take pleasure in farking with them.  Grabbing their arm tightly in 'shock' as they buzz in front of me is a riot, every damn time.
 
2014-05-09 04:19:22 PM  

gimmegimme: Look.  I'm a bicyclist.  I have near-collisions with trucks and cars almost every day.

Please, motorists.  Keep your eyes open for cyclists like me, who ride 30 miles per hour through a red light at a blind intersection at nine p.m. while wearing dark clothing before zipping the wrong way across seven lanes of traffic.

Share the road.


Sure I'll share the road. Matter of fact I'll make sure you know it's texture and taste when you slam into it.

/muahahaha
 
2014-05-09 04:19:24 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: I've logged alot of road miles all over the country on all kinds of roads.  Well into 5 figures.

The professional drivers - tractor trailers, etc. - don't scare me.  I've never had an issue with them.  They generally know where they are, where you are, and make sure those don't intersect.

The things that scare the shiat out of me on the road are, in ascending order:

1. All cars
2. Drivers with cell phones
3. RV drivers who spend 50 weeks out of the year in the Lexus, then drive HWY 1 in something the size of a greyhound bus pulling a trailer the other 2 weeks.  They have no fscking idea where they are.
4. 5th wheel drivers who have no idea just how far their mirrors stick out.

/NCSB
// waited in the rain for an hour for an ambulance holding a poncho over a guy who got his shoulder destroyed by one of these

5. Redneck asshole in car
6. Redneck asshole in pickup truck
7. Redneck asshole & friends in pickup truck

#7 combines the general asshole redneck tendencies with the "Hey y'all, watch this" phenomena and the stupid people in groups multipliers in full effect.  Have been intentionally run off the road, things thrown at me etc.  This was pretty rare when I started touring in the 80s and 90s, but it seems to have gotten much worse.

Haven't been much of a road rider for years, would like to do it again.  Mountain bikes are great, but there's something about hammering big gears with a tailwind on the open road.  But if I do, I'll have a gopro and be conspicuously armed.


my dad cycled in the late 70s early 80s all around rural redneck northern cali, had the same shiat happen to him by the same dudes, so he started wearing a shoulder holster and never got bothered again. probably get thrown in the clink for doing that now though.
 
2014-05-09 04:19:37 PM  
They really have only one relevant weakness:  they implode when run over by a heavy truck.
 
2014-05-09 04:25:48 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Yeah, cyclists are scum.


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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-09 04:29:08 PM  
they implode when run over by a heavy truck

Quoting one of the Boston incidents I alluded to:
Stanley Brown, who works at the CVS store at the intersection, said he noticed the tractor-trailer making a right turn onto Saint Paul from the far left lane of Commonwealth and then saw the bicyclist racing down the avenue at a high rate of speed.

He said the bicyclist then hit the truck.

"It was a loud enough impact that I heard it'' inside the store, he said.

Brown said it was immediately clear to him that the bicyclist had been killed.

He said the truck driver got out of his vehicle, walked to the passenger side of the cab where he looked briefly at the bicyclist and then returned to his cab. He appeared shaken up, but did not show any obvious sign of intoxication or impairment, Brown said.

Arriving public safety workers covered Weigl's body with a plastic tarp.
Boston Globe December 6, 2012
 
2014-05-09 04:32:57 PM  
By the way ... for the non-cyclist drivers out there.  Here are a few cyclist behaviours you might not be familiar with that are practised by sane, responsible riders just trying to preserve their own lives.

1. Riding at least a foot to the left of the white line/shoulder/curb.

First rule of the road for safe cycling is to be predictable.  The edge of the road is often full of trash, glass, potholes, etc.  Hit a hole or flip a stick into your spokes at speed and you'll likely end up in traffic.  Or you spot it soon enough and you have to dart left quickly to avoid it.  Both put you where drivers weren't expecting you to be.

2. Taking the full lane on a narrow bridge, cresting a hill or going into a blind turn.

You can't see what's around that turn/over that hill.  But you probably have enough room to sneak by right?  Just quick, you'll hardly cross the line at all.  But when that truck comes the other way, who's going to get the shiatty end of the stick?  I'm guessing you won't think twice about jerking the wheel to the right to avoid a head on with him.  So I'm going to take the lane and make you understand that you're going into a blind turn in the wrong lane.

3. Staying in the through lane instead of all the way to the right at an intersection with a turn lane.

Yes, this pisses some people off.  Should be pretty obvious though - if I'm not turning, I shouldn't be in the turn lane.  It's a good way to get hit by somebody who is turning.

4. Using the left turn lane or left side of the lane when turning left.

See #3  You don't want to be turning left from the right side with through traffic.  Judgement is called for of course - if it's a busy road, I'll often go straight across and then cross with traffic from the other road.

5. Not riding on sidewalks and some bike paths.

This is a fantastic way to get hit by turning traffic which isn't expecting somebody to enter the intersection fast and without good sight lines.  Most bike paths aren't fit for more then a family outing with the kids on training wheels - incredibly poorly designed for actual riding.

Now a few for the cyclists.

Cardinal rule - don't piss people off.

1. Stop for stop signs and signals.
2. Ride single file when there is traffic.
3. When riding in large groups, signal when it's safe for following traffic to pass.
4. When you get to a light, don't ride past all the people who were just delayed passing you on the past stretch.  It pisses them off to have to do it again.


/ flame away...
 
2014-05-09 04:37:20 PM  
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2014-05-09 04:39:58 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Cardinal rule - don't piss people off.

1. Stop for stop signs and signals.
2. Ride single file when there is traffic.
3. When riding in large groups, signal when it's safe for following traffic to pass.
4. When you get to a light, don't ride past all the people who were just delayed passing you on the past stretch.  It pisses them off to have to do it again.


Here's the thing.  When I'm on my bike, I don't have any obligation to follow any rules of the road whatsoever.  I can change lanes without looking and blow through stop signs with impunity.

And when I'm on my bike, I'm also a pedestrian and I have right of way and everyone else in the world must accommodate me.
 
2014-05-09 04:50:23 PM  
Yeah, share the road, and all that. However, the two accidents involving cyclists over the past few weeks in Montreal (one dead cyclist, another critically injured) shed some light on behaviour that could be deemed risky on their part.

In the case of the one that died, she decided to bike under a two-lane overpass, where only cars should be, instead of getting off her bike and walking the distance on the sidewalk set up alongside the road. She was clipped by a rig as it passed.

The critically injured one was involved in the now classic rig-makes-a-right-turn-and-cyclists-gets-crushed scenario. However, from what I've read, it is unclear whether the driver made his turn without signaling or if the cyclist simply thought she could squeeze by before the turn happened.

My two cents on this is a) never be on the road under and overpass unless you're driving something and b) never think you can squeeze by anything that has bigger blind spots than a senior citizen with severe glaucoma.
 
2014-05-09 04:52:32 PM  
Forgot one from my list above...

6. Taking most of the lane when riding past parked traffic

If I ride close to the cars, somebody is going to open a door into me, or back out in front of me.  Even if I have time to avoid it, I'm now going to have to dart quickly left, into traffic, to avoid it.  Not a good idea.  There's was a marked bike lane where I used to live that went immediately along a lane of parallel parking.  I know some people got pissed off at me for not using it.
 
2014-05-09 04:52:43 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Cardinal rule - don't piss people off.1. Stop for stop signs and signals.2. Ride single file when there is traffic.3. When riding in large groups, signal when it's safe for following traffic to pass.4. When you get to a light, don't ride past all the people who were just delayed passing you on the past stretch. It pisses them off to have to do it again.

 
2014-05-09 04:59:01 PM  

beer6: [img.fark.net image 838x511]


i1144.photobucket.com

/ not a shop, you can tell by the pixels
 
2014-05-09 05:03:26 PM  
When I owned a scooter rental, many of my customers had never been on motorized 2 wheels before.  Upon returning at the end of the day, many would comment about how they had a new respect for those who rode motorcycles, and had a better understanding why people loved to ride.
 
2014-05-09 05:42:47 PM  
Hey, can we talk about that video we just had on here a bit ago, where a motorcyclist decided to pass half a dozen trucks at a go and got doored?
Cause that was fun.
 
2014-05-09 05:43:34 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Classic and oblig Cummins diesel truck passes some bicyclists on a mountain road
Its just a little mean.


Hmmm, you wouldn't expect those bikers going downhill to look so exhausted.

/driver missed a few bikers - guess he was busy targeting small animals crossing the road.
 
2014-05-09 05:54:35 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


As a motorcycle rider, I have a policy that if one of them causes me to lay the bike down, I'm aiming it right at them.

As a pedestrian, I hate the way they hop up on the sidewalk and buzz me at 25mph without saying anything.

As a car driver, I hate way they take up the whole lane and slow everyone down. Not to mention the bike lanes that cyclists DO NOT PAY FOR cause the bus lines to make little concrete islands (Seattle) and therefore do not pull off the road at stops, but just stop in the middle of the street now, every quarter mile.

If cyclists JUST did all these things, they would be perfectly worthy of hate, but they also have this self righteous superiority complex that makes them the most obnoxious hobbyists in the world. They are even worse than Harley riders with loud pipes and even worse than audiophiles.
 
2014-05-09 06:41:50 PM  

cgraves67: toadist: JPINFV: So... naturally... the cyclists should have to learn how to drive large trucks so that they realize they don't turn and stop on a dime, as well as having huge blind spots?

Yes,  I think that should also be required.

Given the way many car drivers behave around semis, EVERYONE should have to learn how to drive one have to go for a ride-along with someone who can drive a truck.


FTFY because some people just can't farking do it.

/drove OTR for 8 years
//never squished an idiot
///came close way too many times because people are stupid
 
2014-05-09 06:54:47 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: mama2tnt: Yogimus: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

Many have earned it.

/biked 20+ miles per day for work from 15-21
//Knew the road rules
///Most drivers and cyclists don't

On my drive home yesterday, idiot bicyclist AND HIS DOG wasn't going to stop for the stop sign and, flying along, barely saw me in time and slammed on the brakes just in time. (Lucky for him, it wasn't raining and his brakes were working great.) Aren't bicycles supposed to obey ALL the rules of the road that any other wheeled traffic does, including stopping for stop signs?


Yes.


No, they aren't. They are usually afforded the privileges of motor vehicles, but any restrictions vary by state and city so you know anyone giving a single answer is just making things up.
 
2014-05-09 07:00:30 PM  

Headso: How about just don't  use roads built for commerce as work out equipment and everyone would be better off. If you use your bike for actual transportation rock on.


Fortunately, most actually do ride for transportation in the US.  Though in hotter climates, particularly in the southern plains, it can be hard to tell, simply because touring bikes and sweat-wicking fabrics are damn near requirements unless you live in a small town.  Otherwise distance and climate become factors.
 
2014-05-09 07:05:21 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


No.  It's like furries.  It's just a sniper target for internet tough guys too uncreative and too out of shape to leave the basement.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-09 07:06:46 PM  

Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?


Yes.

No one likes cyclists, except for cyclists, and even them I'm not sure about. I'm amazed you had to ask, it's hardly a secret. I figured this was pretty much common knowledge by now.
 
2014-05-09 07:12:48 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

No.  It's like furries.  It's just a sniper target for internet tough guys too uncreative and too out of shape to leave the basement.


Why would you need to be in-shape to be a furry? I'd have thought those suits could hide a multitude of sins.

/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.
 
2014-05-09 07:12:56 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: This is a fantastic way to get hit by turning traffic which isn't expecting somebody to enter the intersection fast and without good sight lines.  Most bike paths aren't fit for more then a family outing with the kids on training wheels - incredibly poorly designed for actual riding.


Thank God Tulsa did a reasonably good job of putting LARGE medians between the cycleway and adjacent streets with good sightlines.

Now a few for the cyclists.

Cardinal rule - don't piss people off.

1. Stop for stop signs and signals.


Or follow the local Idaho Stop law as applicable, unexpectedly stopping in front of another cyclist or motorcyclist when there's no need to do so is a good way to get run over in Oklahoma, Missouri and Hot Springs, Arkansas...

2. Ride single file when there is traffic.
3. When riding in large groups, signal when it's safe for following traffic to pass.


For liability reasons, it's better to find a hard shoulder and pull out as applicable, as if you're using a slow vehicle turnout on a mountain road.  Signal someone to pass and then they screw it up and get into a wreck, it's on you.  God Bless America!

4. When you get to a light, don't ride past all the people who were just delayed passing you on the past stretch.  It pisses them off to have to do it again.

Hell, 4 pisses off other cyclists who are waiting in traffic rather than trying to illegally lanesplit up to the front.  It's like that douchebag on the freeway using the shoulder as their own personal turn lane for the next exit.
 
2014-05-09 07:16:10 PM  
people who call themselves "Cyclists" are generally amorphous containers of feminine cleansing product.
 
2014-05-09 07:19:25 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Not to mention the bike lanes that cyclists DO NOT PAY FOR cause the bus lines to make little concrete islands (Seattle) and therefore do not pull off the road at stops, but just stop in the middle of the street now, every quarter mile.


Actually, given how little Washington State charges in car tags (it only covers the cost of issuing the car tags and maintaining the database), how low the gas tax is (only covers about 35% of maintenance of existing infrastructure) and it's reliance on the general fund, compared to how much Washington State pays out on nonmotorized infrastructure, they're not only paying for the roads, they're subsidizing your car and motorcycle.
 
2014-05-09 07:29:38 PM  

Nidiot: Baloo Uriza: Norwegian Squirrel: I must admit I'm always fascinated by these cyclists threads on fark, are really cyclists so loathed?

No.  It's like furries.  It's just a sniper target for internet tough guys too uncreative and too out of shape to leave the basement.

Why would you need to be in-shape to be a furry? I'd have thought those suits could hide a multitude of sins.


Ignoring the fact that you seem to be misguided on what people do with costumes that cost around that of a high end touring bike or a used car, if you're not in shape, you're probably not going to be able to handle the heat very well, much less put on a good act.  Heck, I'm in reasonably decent shape and last weekend at the Traveler's Cross Fantasy Fair in Strang, OK was rather hard...those things get heavier the longer you wear 'em in 95° heat (though I suffer more than most since mine is a black bear).

i.imgur.com

/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.
 
2014-05-09 07:30:46 PM  
I will happily leave room when I pass a cyclist... once. If they pass me on the right while I'm at a red light I don't leave any room when I pass them again.
 
2014-05-09 07:36:52 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Not to mention the bike lanes that cyclists DO NOT PAY FOR cause the bus lines to make little concrete islands (Seattle) and therefore do not pull off the road at stops, but just stop in the middle of the street now, every quarter mile.

Actually, given how little Washington State charges in car tags (it only covers the cost of issuing the car tags and maintaining the database), how low the gas tax is (only covers about 35% of maintenance of existing infrastructure) and it's reliance on the general fund, compared to how much Washington State pays out on nonmotorized infrastructure, they're not only paying for the roads, they're subsidizing your car and motorcycle.


So exactly where is the money coming from if the cars aren't paying for the roads?  The bicyclists aren't paying a dime into it, and I think adult and teen riders should.  Now I don't know how much WA charges for car registration, but I'm sure mine is more than the cost of the paperwork.  Now, I'm okay with some of our expressways get turned into toll roads, because our roads suck so bad and if that will improve the roads, I'm for it at this point.  But when they take lanes away from cars, that's real-estate that needs to be paid for, even if it is only $10-$15 per bike per year.  In return, bikes without BIN's get assigned a BIN so if stolen, it may help in getting the bike back.  Well about the same success of getting a car back.
 
2014-05-09 07:59:34 PM  

lack of warmth: So exactly where is the money coming from if the cars aren't paying for the roads?


The general fund.  In Oklahoma, the roads are primarily paid for by sales taxes, INCLUDING the turnpikes (your turnpike toll is only paying the mortgages to the indian tribes the state bought the land from in Oklahoma, and in the case of the older ones like the Turner Turnpike, they're not even covering interest on it at this point due to lower traffic volumes than predicted when it was approved in 1928; the Turner Turnpike was estimated before it was built in 1928 to carry more vehicles by 1960 than I 405 in LA does today).

The bicyclists aren't paying a dime into it, and I think adult and teen riders should.

I learned something today:  Bicyclists don't pay income, sales or property taxes.

Now I don't know how much WA charges for car registration, but I'm sure mine is more than the cost of the paperwork.

You underestimate the bureaucracy.  That situation's the norm pretty much everywhere but Oklahoma, which still charges lower and lower car tax rates each year you keep the car in an effort to be a little more green (it takes less to keep an old car on the road than build a new one) and encourage people to drive with some caution (a throwback to before insurance became mandatory about two years ago), in which registration is partly subsidized by the general fund on older vehicles as well.

Now, I'm okay with some of our expressways get turned into toll roads, because our roads suck so bad and if that will improve the roads, I'm for it at this point.  But when they take lanes away from cars, that's real-estate that needs to be paid for, even if it is only $10-$15 per bike per year.  In return, bikes without BIN's get assigned a BIN so if stolen, it may help in getting the bike back.  Well about the same success of getting a car back.

Literally every place that's tried this has spent more money on enforcement and seen an increase in motor vehicle traffic and a decrease of bicycle traffic.  Keep in mind that bicycles take up less space on the road and are generally much easier to pass than other motorists.  And every bicycle that isn't one of those Walmart specials you can outright own for about what it costs to rent a bicycle (and last roughly as long as a bicycle rental) has a serial number on the bottom bracket that makes the machine obviously identifiable to start with, so there goes that argument, too.

The southern plains already went through the logic you're trying to use and ultimately rejected it.  Which is why it's rare to see a bicycle with a permit sticker that's expired more recently than 1992, if it's got one at all:  Cities long ago abandoned spending money on something that doesn't work.
 
2014-05-09 08:04:17 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Nidiot: 
/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.


That may be true, but I they are seriously outnumbered.
 
2014-05-09 08:25:16 PM  

Nidiot: Baloo Uriza: Nidiot: 
/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.

That may be true, but I they are seriously outnumbered.


If that were literally the case, motor vehicles wouldn't be viable at all because it'd be all Mad Max and shiat.
 
2014-05-09 08:29:55 PM  
TWO bicycle hate threads in one day? Really? Really?
 
2014-05-09 08:37:41 PM  
Baloo Uriza:
The general fund.  In Oklahoma, the roads are primarily paid for by sales taxes, INCLUDING the turnpikes (your turnpike toll is only paying the mortgages to the indian tribes the state bought the land from in Oklahoma, and in the case of the older ones like the Turner Turnpike, they're not even covering interest on it at this point due to lower traffic volumes than predicted when it was approved in 1928; the Turner Turnpike was estimated before it was built in 1928 to carry more vehicles by 1960 than I 405 in LA does today).

Okay, but the discussion started about WA, not OK.  MI doesn't have turnpikes, yet.

I learned something today:  Bicyclists don't pay income, sales or property taxes.

Most of the cyclists I see in Flint, don't pay income or property tax, and rarely has money for items that do have sales tax, since we don't charge sales tax on food.  However, I think they can come up with a few dollars a year.

You underestimate the bureaucracy.  That situation's the norm pretty much everywhere but Oklahoma, which still charges lower and lower car tax rates each year you keep the car in an effort to be a little more green (it takes less to keep an old car on the road than build a new one) and encourage people to drive with some caution (a throwback to before insurance became mandatory about two years ago), in which registration is partly subsidized by the general fund on older vehicles as well.

I'm not underestimating it at all, you have no idea what I pay.  But I'm sure it doesn't cost no $65 to send me a sticker and a piece of paper in the mail for the small truck.  If it did, they would raise the price.

Literally every place that's tried this has spent more money on enforcement and seen an increase in motor vehicle traffic and a decrease of bicycle traffic.

I still like the idea, and I always will.  I'm sure the early days of forcing vehicle registration and licensing met with much resistance, it can happen.  We need some enforcement of the laws, or take the lanes back.

 Keep in mind that bicycles take up less space on the road and are generally much easier to pass than other motorists.

No, they are a pain to deal with, since no one has enforced any laws on bicyclists, they ride like morons.  It is rare to see a bike traveling along with traffic as oppose to against traffic.  The last time I was downtown Flint and noticed how the main road through the city had been cut from four lanes to three to make bike lanes, I saw only one group of cyclists, on the sidewalk.  Really, all of your argument sounds like complete ramblings of a lunatic to me.  I might sound that way to you too, but I really don't care.

And every bicycle that isn't one of those Walmart specials you can outright own for about what it costs to rent a bicycle (and last roughly as long as a bicycle rental) has a serial number on the bottom bracket that makes the machine obviously identifiable to start with, so there goes that argument, too.

Bikes sold anywhere outside of specialty shops do not have serial numbers, not just walmart.  You came off as a douche with that statement.
 
2014-05-09 08:51:20 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Nidiot: Baloo Uriza: Nidiot:
/even the people who aren't on fark still hate cyclists.

Not the semi-rational folks who don't have anger issues.

That may be true, but I think they are seriously outnumbered.

If that were literally the case, motor vehicles wouldn't be viable at all because it'd be all Mad Max and shiat.


Perhaps you can be semi-rational with anger issues without going all Mad Max. I hate cyclists, so does everyone I know, and none of us has actually even run a cyclist off the road.....yet. Unless the people who hate cyclists aren't actually also all semi-rational with anger issues.

Either way, like it or not, lots of people still hate cyclists, and calling those people fat basement dwellers or semi-rational people with anger issues doesn't really change that.
 
2014-05-09 09:17:29 PM  
I live in an area where it's really not safe to ride a bike...two-lane back roads with hardly any shoulders, plenty of hills.  Had to drive around a cyclist today in my town who was practically in the middle of the road.

They say you should never honk at them because they may get startled and do something stupid.

Yeah, you gotta share the road, but no one ever said you had to like putting up with them and them holding up traffic because they won't get as far over to the right as possible....
 
2014-05-09 09:45:03 PM  

lack of warmth: Baloo Uriza:
The general fund.  In Oklahoma, the roads are primarily paid for by sales taxes, INCLUDING the turnpikes (your turnpike toll is only paying the mortgages to the indian tribes the state bought the land from in Oklahoma, and in the case of the older ones like the Turner Turnpike, they're not even covering interest on it at this point due to lower traffic volumes than predicted when it was approved in 1928; the Turner Turnpike was estimated before it was built in 1928 to carry more vehicles by 1960 than I 405 in LA does today).

Okay, but the discussion started about WA, not OK.  MI doesn't have turnpikes, yet.


Not that it matters, since there's no state that doesn't have the same problem of motorists getting subsidized by everyone whether or not they drive.  I mean, if you want to up the gas tax a bit to keep in line with the growing costs of maintenance, go ahead and argue for that.  But I doubt it's going to be an easy sell given how few motorists actually bother to look through their state's transportation budget to understand that they're getting off pretty easy compared to what it costs to support them.

I learned something today:  Bicyclists don't pay income, sales or property taxes.

Most of the cyclists I see in Flint, don't pay income or property tax, and rarely has money for items that do have sales tax, since we don't charge sales tax on food.  However, I think they can come up with a few dollars a year.

You underestimate the bureaucracy.  That situation's the norm pretty much everywhere but Oklahoma, which still charges lower and lower car tax rates each year you keep the car in an effort to be a little more green (it takes less to keep an old car on the road than build a new one) and encourage people to drive with some caution (a throwback to before insurance became mandatory about two years ago), in which registration is partly subsidized by the general fund on older vehicles as well.

I'm not underestimating it at all, you have no idea what I pay.  But I'm sure it doesn't cost no $65 to send me a sticker and a piece of paper in the mail for the small truck.  If it did, they would raise the price.


You're also paying for the staff that works at the office that issues that sticker, and the database that keeps track of your state's vehicle registration records, the servers it resides on, the data center it's in, the electricity to power it all, the support staff to run all that...  You think that's all free?

Literally every place that's tried this has spent more money on enforcement and seen an increase in motor vehicle traffic and a decrease of bicycle traffic.

I still like the idea, and I always will.  I'm sure the early days of forcing vehicle registration and licensing met with much resistance, it can happen.  We need some enforcement of the l ...


Actually, the early days of vehicle registration came about because people got tired of having their friends, family and colleagues mowed down by some asshat in a nondescript and practically unidentifiable car.

No, they are a pain to deal with, since no one has enforced any laws on bicyclists, they ride like morons.

Enforcement rates per capita out of the motorist population is generally identical among cyclists as it is among motorists.  You're just used to the motorist form of moron thanks to the relatively one-sided ratio of what's on the road.  That said, as a commercial driver, the amateur motorists are a much harder to dodge and far more lethal hazard to my job.

Bikes sold anywhere outside of specialty shops do not have serial numbers, not just walmart.  You came off as a douche with that statement.

Considering anything you get from a store that isn't a bicycle dealership is a single-use bicycle, there's not much point in stamping a serial number on it anyway: It's not designed to last more than 50 miles or so.  If Target sold no-name cars for $1000, would you trust yourself to it?
 
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