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2014-05-09 01:06:09 PM
Oh man I get to break out the Foucault. The introduction of school shootings into public discourse has medicalized behavior previously unremarkable to the participants. Public servants and others are now treating the use and ownership of cheap explosives as pathology.

cf. Sparknotes, because I'm lazy
"Foucault cites an example of a simple-minded villager who paid young girls for sexual favors being arrested, and passed through the law courts and subjected to numerous psychological studies. An activity that once would have been overlooked was now being written about copiously: more and more, sexual matters were being put into discourse. "
 
2014-05-09 01:49:23 PM
Being students post-Columbine shows poor planning on their part.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-05-09 02:24:54 PM
Water bottles full of gasoline soon become puddles of gasoline and gas over everything nearby.
 
2014-05-09 08:28:21 PM
Its the new math. Drives them nuts.
 
2014-05-09 08:30:25 PM
Pssssst where do I buy a gun? I'm uh... .asking for a friend.
 
2014-05-09 08:32:00 PM
Well, turns out they were burglars. An accidentally successful investigation, I suppose.
 
2014-05-09 08:33:49 PM
CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.
 
2014-05-09 08:36:23 PM

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.


Ditto, but a freshman. The other kids didn't like how I pointed out the flaws of our multi-building campus either.

/fun at parties
 
2014-05-09 08:42:32 PM

433: Water bottles full of gasoline soon become puddles of gasoline and gas over everything nearby.


No, only on the bonfire you start in the woods for you 15-17 drinking party with your buds and a stolen case of Natty Ice.

Were you never a teen in a rural area?
 
2014-05-09 08:46:07 PM
I blew stuff up in the woods all the time. I made bombs out of fireworks and model rocket engines. I shot guns. Granted, I never did any breaking and entering but I did plenty of trespassing mischief. In short: I was a boy. I didn't plot to kill anyone, I just had fun blowing stuff up, shooting it into the air and blowing it up, shooting at it and blowing it up, and generally anything involving shooting and blowing up. Now I'm a responsible adult. These people need to chill, they were just being kids.
 
2014-05-09 08:48:11 PM
This shiat is getting ridiculous. It sounds like they were blowing up gopher holes. Those furry bastards have it coming I tells ya!
 
2014-05-09 08:49:06 PM

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.


Several schools in my area banned trench coats.

Kids wearing trench coats are obviously copying and/or condoning the shooters, regardless of whether they wore them beforehand, or some stupid reasoning like that. Despite the fact that they were already a popular fashion item for pseudo-goths at the time.

Schools got really stupid after that shiat happened.
 
2014-05-09 08:49:27 PM
Text messages between the suspects discussed the use of certain household items for the purpose of making fire bombs.

Someday, I hope, someone will figure this out:

Do what you want. Whether it's meet in the woods and f*ck like bunnies in a sand pit, or construct pipe bombs because it's what kids like to do in the country in the summer; do what you want. But for the LOVE OF GOD, DON'T TEXT ABOUT IT!

Just meet out in the quarry and blow that sh*t up. Don't talk about it where everyone can hear you!
 
2014-05-09 08:51:23 PM
When I was a kid we always left the front door unlocked and never wore seat belts in the car.
 
2014-05-09 08:51:44 PM
I'm so glad I grew up when I did, when lighting shiat on fire in the woods and making improvised explosives was considered 'things dumbass teenagers do when bored'. As with others in here, these days I'd be labeled a domestic terrorist after being expelled from school for having my shotgun in the trunk of my car during deer season

/and a pack of smokes in the glove box
//probably some empty beer cans back there too
///hope the statute of limitations has run out by now
 
2014-05-09 08:52:09 PM

Gyrfalcon: Text messages between the suspects discussed the use of certain household items for the purpose of making fire bombs.

Someday, I hope, someone will figure this out:

Do what you want. Whether it's meet in the woods and f*ck like bunnies in a sand pit, or construct pipe bombs because it's what kids like to do in the country in the summer; do what you want. But for the LOVE OF GOD, DON'T TEXT ABOUT IT!

Just meet out in the quarry and blow that sh*t up. Don't talk about it where everyone can hear you!


The first rule of Blow Shiat Up club is, "Don't talk about Blow Shiat Up club".
 
2014-05-09 08:59:11 PM
I was a junior when that happened. I didn't get to do the traditional senior squirt gun fight.
 
2014-05-09 09:01:49 PM
I taught at a school just south of this one, the things these kids did for fun never failed to amuse me. Them owning low level explosives does not surprise me at all. One of my students (10th grader) drove up behind my car and I didn't notice him -- I go into "don't give a fark" mode as soon as I am leaving campus -- and since he must have really wanted to wave hi to me, he drove up the curb, into a lawn, and pulled up next to me in his pickup... now parked on someone's front lawn.

The next class "Did you see me?" "Hard to miss you... that was kind of a silly idea" "No, we do it all the time."
 
2014-05-09 09:10:07 PM

Gyrfalcon: Text messages between the suspects discussed the use of certain household items for the purpose of making fire bombs.

Someday, I hope, someone will figure this out:

Do what you want. Whether it's meet in the woods and f*ck like bunnies in a sand pit, or construct pipe bombs because it's what kids like to do in the country in the summer; do what you want. But for the LOVE OF GOD, DON'T TEXT ABOUT IT!

Just meet out in the quarry and blow that sh*t up. Don't talk about it where everyone can hear you!


This. It's even a super valuable lesson in adult life.

If I send an email to my boss asking if we should say this or that about an issue, it all becomes admissible for discovery if we're sued.

Instead, I give him a call, talk about it, write the explanation out, and then produce the message to the client.

It isn't being sneaky, is just being smart in our litigious society.
 
2014-05-09 09:14:15 PM
My grandfather talked about stealing dynamite for fishing (apparently, ten sticks is a *wee* bit too much for a pond), and putting a neighbor's outhouse on a flatcar headed out of town. Nowadays he would be in the hardened criminals wing at Juvie.

/Born in 1911, left home at 13, died in 1979. He had the most awesome stories. I give him a toast every January 10th (his birthday).
 
2014-05-09 09:15:12 PM
I went to an inner city private school with a gun range in the basement where they shot (gasp) real guns.

The last I heard they had to switch to airsoft.

I also occasionally carried a pocket knife and had (gasp) a small pharmacy in my locker with things like tylenol and aleve in it.
 
2014-05-09 09:24:02 PM
From the article:

approximately 100 rounds of 45 caliber ammunition

I am aghast that anyone in this nation could easily acquire "approximately" two boxes of ammunition.
 
2014-05-09 09:26:23 PM
I was in high school during Columbine, but not in Columbine itself.  Some kids passed rumors that the teachers would ask the popular kids for the names of all the goths in the school, and then they would round up all the goths and send them to reform school/prison.  It would be a school-wide McCarthyist witch hunt.

A few of the kids were really mad about it: they were sure the popular kids and the teachers would use Columbine as a reason to bully outcast kids, but thankfully nobody did anything that would have made the situation a reality.

Nothing else really changed.  Because our school already had gang problems, we already had most of the security rules in place in case of violence.
 
2014-05-09 09:27:51 PM

Ihaveanevilparrot: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.

Several schools in my area banned trench coats.

Kids wearing trench coats are obviously copying and/or condoning the shooters, regardless of whether they wore them beforehand, or some stupid reasoning like that. Despite the fact that they were already a popular fashion item for pseudo-goths at the time.

Schools got really stupid after that shiat happened.


After? ;)
 
2014-05-09 09:36:34 PM

Dimensio: From the article:

approximately 100 rounds of 45 caliber ammunition

I am aghast that anyone in this nation could easily acquire "approximately" two boxes of ammunition.


Considering they easily acquired it from breaking into "an unoccupied" house. Its not like they walked into Walmart and bought a couple of boxes.
 
2014-05-09 09:38:57 PM

Dimensio: From the article:

approximately 100 rounds of 45 caliber ammunition

I am aghast that anyone in this nation could easily acquire "approximately" two boxes of ammunition.


That's some serious cash.
/I'm considering starting up an ammunition plant.
//Not joking.
///Damned expensive, lengthy proposition. The licenses, approvals, security, and equipment.
 
2014-05-09 09:49:15 PM
Smithfield, VA has nearly twice the population of my county's seat, close to almost an hour away from where I grew up. I guess rural is in the eye of the beholder.
 
2014-05-09 09:52:48 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I went to an inner city private school with a gun range in the basement where they shot (gasp) real guns.

The last I heard they had to switch to airsoft.

I also occasionally carried a pocket knife and had (gasp) a small pharmacy in my locker with things like tylenol and aleve in it.


I had one friend who was probably directly responsible for screwing over so many kids after he left.  He read the code of conduct back and forth and found every loophole.  At one point he came in with a 1 3/4" knife, because while you couldn't bring in a butter knife they never updated the 2" max length rule.  They broke out a ruler; he had made sure to measure it before he brought it.  He also sold glowsticks at a student dance and made over $50 in profit before someone found a way to shut it down.

That said, it was some welcome subversion while it lasted.
 
2014-05-09 10:00:24 PM
I always wonder how the police or media would spinreport things if my home were searched...
 
2014-05-09 10:02:42 PM

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.


I, too, was a sophmore during columbine.  I had been wearing a trench coat since 8th grade because The Crow was the coolest farking movie ever made to a teenaged moosey.  No one cared after it happened.  I moved down to Austin the following year and no one cared there, either.  I got the occasional Trench Coat Mafia bullshiat from the richer students, but they were all shiat-scared of me so nothing ever happened there.  When I came back from Austin and went back to my old school, they had a new faculty who hated me the second they laid eyes on me.  On my first day back I was written up for bringing coffee to school, sent to the office for wearing a trench coat, and suspended for pointing out that my friends little brother (a freshman at the time) was also wearing a trench coat , but for some reason he wasn't being told to remove his.  Those were the people that made me hate school.  So, thanks, Principal Dano and Vice Principal I don't even remember your name anymore.  Together you destroyed my love of school.
 
2014-05-09 10:04:13 PM
throwing white gas on a bonfire makes a nice boom and mushroom cloud
blackpowder filled tennis balls.
Aluminum shavings and the works toilet bowl cleaner
Toilet paper a kids house right before a freezing rain
/good times
 
2014-05-09 10:13:45 PM

Dimensio: From the article:

approximately 100 rounds of 45 caliber ammunition

I am aghast that anyone in this nation could easily acquire "approximately" two boxes of ammunition.


One white box.
 
2014-05-09 10:15:47 PM

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Ihaveanevilparrot: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.

Several schools in my area banned trench coats.

Kids wearing trench coats are obviously copying and/or condoning the shooters, regardless of whether they wore them beforehand, or some stupid reasoning like that. Despite the fact that they were already a popular fashion item for pseudo-goths at the time.

Schools got really stupid after that shiat happened.

After? ;)


I dunno about other schools, but I wore a pocket knife to school beforehand and no one ever said anything. It got MUCH worse after. We couldn't even carry stuff like pointy scissors, and there were metal detector checks periodically and locker checks. They weren't doing that beforehand, not at my school anyway. And they never gave a shiat what we wore either as long as it wasn't overly revealing or something.
Before columbine they were pretty laid back, then they got all paranoid. I'm guessing the admins pushed the whole district into cracking down on absolutely everything, and that's also when the zero tolerance stuff seemed to start going into effect a lot more.
 
2014-05-09 10:23:29 PM
They could have been going to firebomb mailboxes, and we all know what that leads to.

i1211.photobucket.com

Guys who go back in the past and royally screw up the future in increasingly distressing ways. Well, he reaches one acceptable spot, but has to go and screw it up.
 
2014-05-09 10:23:36 PM
when i was that age if you DIDN'T have such things in your general possession at any given time you were branded a poof we would spit tobacco juice on you
 
2014-05-09 10:24:55 PM

Ihaveanevilparrot: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Ihaveanevilparrot: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.

Several schools in my area banned trench coats.

Kids wearing trench coats are obviously copying and/or condoning the shooters, regardless of whether they wore them beforehand, or some stupid reasoning like that. Despite the fact that they were already a popular fashion item for pseudo-goths at the time.

Schools got really stupid after that shiat happened.

After? ;)

I dunno about other schools, but I wore a pocket knife to school beforehand and no one ever said anything. It got MUCH worse after. We couldn't even carry stuff like pointy scissors, and there were metal detector checks periodically and locker checks. They weren't doing that beforehand, not at my school anyway. And they never gave a shiat what we wore either as long as it wasn't overly revealing or something.
Before columbine they were pretty laid back, then they got all paranoid. I'm guessing the admins pushed the whole district into cracking down on absolutely everything, and that's also when the zero tolerance stuff seemed to start going into effect a lot more.


Ironically, pulling all that authoritarian bullshiat has probably resulted in more school shootings.
 
2014-05-09 10:29:00 PM
shiat, I would be arrest several times over for stuff I did in the 1970's that make this look pale in comparison.
 
2014-05-09 10:47:19 PM

Another Government Employee: shiat, I would be arrest several times over for stuff I did in the 1970's that make this look pale in comparison.


I'd have been in the psych ward for the horror stories I wrote, and mainly wearing black all the time.
 
2014-05-09 10:50:22 PM
Oh man, I woulda been expelled nowadays. Columbine happened when I was a freshman at a Catholic highschool in an inner city. I remember everyone having to wear dumb clear backpacks for about 3 months before people realized what a joke it was.

I use to hustle junk to make extra beer money, be it burnt CDs, snacks, or card games on the bus. My biggest seller was paintballs, use to eBay bags of them and resell them to kids at school whose parents didn't approve. Literally just stashed 500rd bags and those 100rd holders in my locker. Granted no one had guns but they use to pelt one another with slingshots. No one messed around with them in school, and no one ratted anyone out otherwise they would have faced the wrath of 30 teenage boys. It lasted close to a full school year before they got bored shooting up rival school kids on the way home.

Yeah, definitely shoulda been expelled.
 
2014-05-10 12:58:22 AM

mooseyfate: I was written up for bringing coffee to school,


What!? I brought a thermos of expresso with me every day. Did they allow kids to drink pop?
 
2014-05-10 01:53:10 AM
OK, serious post from me for once.
I hate to sound like an old man for one. You have a problem with me, and wanna bully me, we go ahead and chin each other up. It was even that way in the juvenile hall/military school (Millersburg Military Institute) where I went to. No worries about guns, getting stabbed, etc. Take it out fist to fist, deal with it on your lunch breaks, etc.
Now, any-bullying, bullying, kids gunning down people because they're picked on?! Come the fark on, it happens! Cyber-bullying?!? We grew up tough, and shiat you could say over a computer wouldn't mean a farking thing. Either or, there is some underlying factor. Perhaps the reliance of the younger generation on social media and the general disconnect it builds in those who are bullied? When 75%+ of your social life is built on people you will never see or truly know, and the rest of your actual life is being bullied at some point in the day or other, there's gonna be a boiling point. Especially when guns (which are in a stillborn state as far as the simple reform of getting them where nutjobs don't get them) and psychiatric meds are even less regulated), you get the expected results. It's not right, it's not fair, but what can you do?

Break it all down, and you get: kids are farked up nowadays. Dunno the exact factor as to why that is, but it's here.
 
2014-05-10 02:09:15 AM

macross87: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: CSB: I was a sophomore during Columbine.  Any student that wore medium length black coats and/or metal t-shirts were interviewed by counselors and school cops.

Ditto, but a freshman. The other kids didn't like how I pointed out the flaws of our multi-building campus either.

/fun at parties


I and most of my friends graduated the previous year. A group of us watched the insanity on TV that spring and we were all pretty much like... 'well... glad I'm OUT of that insanity...' I can't even imagine how annoying that shiat was to the later years' worth of students who liked long coats.

/facepalm
 
2014-05-10 03:38:49 AM

JesseL: I always wonder how the police or media would spinreport things if my home were searched...


If you're anything like me, there would be a 2 page photo that looked like they raided a Mexican cartel and a bunch of speculation about why anyone who isn't a terrorist would need metal fabrication equipment and books on guerrilla warfare.
 
2014-05-10 06:47:03 AM
Lol, I actually got visited by FBI agents from the local field office a few months after Columbine. Apparantly I had been talking to a coworker about target shooting and some small pipe bombs we had made using m80's and CO2 canisters from paintball guns and someone had overheard us and freaked out.

/It turns out bosses don't like having the FBI come out to talk to you.
//It turned out to be a good thing as it got me started on an actual career instead of cruising at the same grocery store
 
2014-05-10 08:54:52 AM

mllawso: mooseyfate: I was written up for bringing coffee to school,

What!? I brought a thermos of expresso with me every day. Did they allow kids to drink pop?


Soda. 'Pop' sounds stupid.
 
2014-05-10 09:02:11 AM

Norad: mllawso: mooseyfate: I was written up for bringing coffee to school,

What!? I brought a thermos of expresso with me every day. Did they allow kids to drink pop?

Soda. 'Pop' sounds stupid.



Please. Double-bubble fizzwater.
 
2014-05-10 09:28:35 AM

kling_klang_bed: Break it all down, and you get: kids are farked up nowadays. Dunno the exact factor as to why that is, but it's here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_ St ates#20th_century

If you notice, there have always been school shootings.

But rather than more kids being farked up, one thing to note is that there are a lot less institutionalized mentally ill people nowadays. Deinstitutionalization started in the mid 50s, and continued into the 80s. Notice number of school shootings stay pretty stable from the 50s to 80s, then there is a jump and it continues to grow into the 90s and 2000s, whereas before it was pretty sporadic.

Largely, the population of jails have risen as the population of mental institutions gets smaller. We wait until people commit a crime and then jail them repeatedly for minor crimes while giving them very little help, and worsening any mental issues, or wait until they snap and then jail or execute them.

I'm not saying throw everyone in mental hospitals if they even act a little weird like we used to. But there needs to be a middle ground that consists of something more than turning most people away who seek help, or when their family members seek help, unless they've already tried to harm themselves and someone else, like we do now. If you don't have insurance or money, good chance no help is being given. And not even all insurance will cover more than a doctors visit and some meds. I have what most would consider good insurance, and it didn't cover any of my psychologist visits, although it covers antidepressants. But you can't just throw meds at people with serious issues; they require actual consistent face to face care and therapy.
And if someone does end up committed temporarily, chances are upon release they will not have much continuing care, unless the family has the money and also the wherewithal to stay on top of it.

I have a lot of experience with this. My mom was severely schizo affective (I say WAS because oddly enough it seems to have gone away after her stroke - for now (a phenomenon that does happen, but not commonly)) and getting her admitted when WE knew she was in danger of hurting herself, and/or had gone off her meds, was damn near impossible.
During her last big episode my dad took her to the ER and they turned her away because she wasn't suicidal or a danger to anyone else according to them. That was after she had already side swiped another car, run hers up a hill into some small trees at 60mph, and then gotten out and walked down the street like nothing happened, where luckily a sheriff friend of my dad saw her ....
On the way home while my dad was driving she jumped out of the moving vehicle because 'God' told her to, and had to be taken to the ER in an ambulance with road rash, a busted lip, knocked out teeth, and a broken ankle. Luckily he'd heard the sound of the door opening immediately and had gotten the car slowed way down before she let go.
I know of similar stories from family of people we have met while she was hospitalized or while in group therapy. And I know people who have struggled getting their kid help, until the kid tries to hurt themselves or others. And unfortunately with mental issues in teenagers it's often dismissed as "just hormones" or something like that, when it may be much more serious than the average teen.

TLDR: In all likelihood kids with issues that would cause them to become violent would have already been long locked away a few decades ago. As we deinstitutionalized we went from locking people up on a whim--too often and for questionable reasons--to not providing any care at all, or at best insufficient care, for people that actually DO need mental health services.
 
2014-05-10 09:50:09 AM

Ihaveanevilparrot: kling_klang_bed: Break it all down, and you get: kids are farked up nowadays. Dunno the exact factor as to why that is, but it's here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_ St ates#20th_century

If you notice, there have always been school shootings.

******** At this rate, no. Always has been, just ask any kid in the inner city. Just not at this rate of occurrence.

But rather than more kids being farked up, one thing to note is that there are a lot less institutionalized mentally ill people nowadays. Deinstitutionalization started in the mid 50s, and continued into the 80s. Notice number of school shootings stay pretty stable from the 50s to 80s, then there is a jump and it continues to grow into the 90s and 2000s, whereas before it was pretty sporadic.

***** A couple of years before I left Chicago, there were mass closings of free drug rehabs like the Haywood Center (where several of my friends got clean and into got mental health programs from there) and mass closings of mental health facilities. Rahm's resolution? Give them bus passes to the other end of town. One of my good friends got laid off from the MHF in Hyde Park, and some of the stories he had to tell were not pleasant.

Largely, the population of jails have risen as the population of mental institutions gets smaller. We wait until people commit a crime and then jail them repeatedly for minor crimes while giving them very little help, and worsening any mental issues, or wait until they snap and then jail or execute them.

****** There is an industry in the prisons, and no money in putting people in MHFs. Sad but true, the dollar is where the bottom line in lies.

I'm not saying throw everyone in mental hospitals if they even act a little weird like we used to. But there needs to be a middle ground that consists of something more than turning most people away who seek help, or when their family members seek help, unless they've already tried to harm themselves and someone else, like we do now. If you don't have insurance or money, good chance no help is being given.

***** As much as I'm all for gun reform laws, that is the thing that never gets brought up: mental health care. Take Adam Lanza, for example, who took his mom's guns, which were legal, and did the unspeakable. She, from what I read, refused to put him on meds and taught him how to shoot. Obviously the kid, as much as I farking abhor him, needed help. It was pretty apparent to all that he needed intense psychiatric care. Yet the issue, when you hear anyone talk about it is guns (which in this case were perfectly legal), rather than the mentally ill who get a hold of them.

And not even all insurance will cover more than a doctors visit and some meds. I have what most would consider good insurance, and it didn't cover any of my psychologist visits, although it covers antidepressants.

***** One of my best friends back home got a lucky break on that one, and got that whole deal for free. From what's he's told me, though, they're shrinking up fast.

But you can't just throw meds at people with serious issues; they require actual consistent face to face care and therapy.

***** YEP!!!!

 
2014-05-10 10:58:06 AM

Norad: Soda. 'Pop' sounds stupid.


Yeah: soda with flavoring, coloring, sugar, and caffeine added to it.
 
2014-05-10 02:28:18 PM

iheartscotch: This shiat is getting ridiculous. It sounds like they were blowing up gopher holes. Those furry bastards have it coming I tells ya!


Agrees
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