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(CBC)   Man gets tired of potholes on city street, fills them in with gravel, quickly threatened by city to undo his work or face fines   (cbc.ca) divider line 85
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2014-05-09 12:22:06 AM
That's why you don't get caught doing it.
 
2014-05-09 01:57:04 AM
Could've sworn this was a repeat, but the other article was about a guy in Texas filling the potholes with dirt. At least this guy was smart enough to use gravel. Sounds like a nice temporary fix until the lazy/cash-strapped city gets around to fixing it the right way.
 
2014-05-09 03:04:20 AM
Okay....why?
 
2014-05-09 03:08:00 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?


Because if it's not done properly sand someone wrecks the city gets sued.
 
2014-05-09 03:08:19 AM
You shouldn't do that. When it rains the water settles under the gravel and creates a giant muddy, rocky mess that is just waiting to spray mud and rocks all over when a car hits it.
 
2014-05-09 03:15:36 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?


The same reason you generally do not let your neighbor's semi-retarded collie fix your transmission.
 
2014-05-09 03:18:24 AM
So, Canadian Farkers, is this true?

real.fstatuses.com

Just wondering.
 
2014-05-09 03:20:18 AM
Go fill potholes in Somalia, Captain Bootstraps.
 
2014-05-09 03:21:21 AM

Mark Ratner: Could've sworn this was a repeat, but the other article was about a guy in Texas filling the potholes with dirt. At least this guy was smart enough to use gravel. Sounds like a nice temporary fix until the lazy/cash-strapped city gets around to fixing it the right way.


If the city isn't meeting basic needs, they don't get to complain about what happens when somebody tries to cover for them, even if he is doing it wrong.
 
2014-05-09 03:26:40 AM
He should make them a deal,  the city will reimburse him for the costs of having his tire blown out and fix the pothole within 5 business days and he'll take the gravel out of their hole as soon as the check clears.

/hates when gravel gets in my hole
 
2014-05-09 03:27:32 AM
Well I hope they shot his dog and tasered him afterwards.
 
2014-05-09 03:30:38 AM

cptjeff: If the city isn't meeting basic needs, they don't get to complain about what happens when somebody tries to cover for them, even if he is doing it wrong.


The cure may be worse than the disease.  The dude from Texas who was filling potholes with dirt from the other week is a prime example.

My 2 cents is: if you're going to patch a road, read a few guides on how to do it correctly.  Put down the right sort of crushed rock as a base and then top it with blacktop or cement.  Otherwise, leave it alone.
 
2014-05-09 03:30:50 AM
Did he drop his keys leaping over it?
 
2014-05-09 03:31:04 AM
My neighbor and I were talking about putting in some culverts ourselves for when the gully washers come and totally f*ck up our road. But then he tripped and hurt himself, his diabetic problems make him wear shoes about the size of shoe boxes. The two families who live down canyon from us aren't really in any financial situation to contribute to road improvement, and we understand. I hope my diabetic neighbor gets back on his feet and we can get some road work done, but I'm more concerned for his health at this point. Right now we rely on four wheel drive and high clearance vehicles when the road washes until one of us can borrow a backhoe for a temporary fix.

I'd be pretty upset if I lived on a municipal street and payed taxes for well-maintained roads but needed to slalom the pot holes to safely get home. Still, I wish mine was officially a county maintained road, just send a grader up it twice a year and cut out the washboard.
 
2014-05-09 03:31:20 AM

cptjeff: Mark Ratner: Could've sworn this was a repeat, but the other article was about a guy in Texas filling the potholes with dirt. At least this guy was smart enough to use gravel. Sounds like a nice temporary fix until the lazy/cash-strapped city gets around to fixing it the right way.

If the city isn't meeting basic needs, they don't get to complain about what happens when somebody tries to cover for them, even if he is doing it wrong.


Then I guess you won't mind when he's your next paramedic.
 
2014-05-09 03:31:42 AM

Danger Avoid Death: So, Canadian Farkers, is this true?

[real.fstatuses.com image 403x249]

Just wondering.


Not for me it isn't.  The roads are usually bare unless it recently snowed.  The plows are out there all the time getting snow off the road and putting down salt.

The worst potholes seem to show up once it starts to warm up and the temps are up and down in the early spring.
 
2014-05-09 03:35:06 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?


There is the likelihood that someone in the city or county govt is the owner of a chain of local retail tire shops.  For instance:  If you live in the Raleigh area, just go across any county line and suddenly the roads get much better, even in counties that are impoverished by comparison, to the point that you can tell when you cross out of Wake county just by the reduction in road noise.  Interestingly enough there are more tire shops in wake county than any other county in the state and most of them are owned by a couple of LLC's, which are in turn owned by members of local govt.  It's just good business practice for them to leave the roads in bad condition when even a pair of inexpensive tires cost about 140-160 dollars plus installation, alignment etc.  It's a money fountain.  Funny how that works out.
 
2014-05-09 03:39:55 AM
Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.
 
2014-05-09 03:44:28 AM
Tarmacadam? Barely know 'em!
 
2014-05-09 03:48:19 AM

lewismarktwo: Tarmacadam? Barely know 'em!


You tarmacadamia nut, you.
 
2014-05-09 03:50:26 AM

Memoryalpha: The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?

There is the likelihood that someone in the city or county govt is the owner of a chain of local retail tire shops.  For instance:  If you live in the Raleigh area, just go across any county line and suddenly the roads get much better, even in counties that are impoverished by comparison, to the point that you can tell when you cross out of Wake county just by the reduction in road noise.  Interestingly enough there are more tire shops in wake county than any other county in the state and most of them are owned by a couple of LLC's, which are in turn owned by members of local govt.  It's just good business practice for them to leave the roads in bad condition when even a pair of inexpensive tires cost about 140-160 dollars plus installation, alignment etc.  It's a money fountain.  Funny how that works out.


Or could it be that during pothole season there are thousands of potholes that will pop up around town and it takes a while for the city to get to them all, plus they have to wait until the ground warms up enough for the repair to hold. So just because they don't send somebody out the day after you report a pothole, doesn't mean that there is something nefarious going on, they are ignoring you or they are lazy. It means that there are a lot of farking potholes for them to work on.
 
2014-05-09 03:57:35 AM

OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.


I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.
 
2014-05-09 03:58:07 AM
What do they expect him to do? Grovel over gravel?
 
2014-05-09 03:58:16 AM
Then maybe the city should pay for all the blown-out tires if they dont want someone trying to keep people from breaking shiat on their cars by hitting a 2x1 foot pothole.

At least the guy made it so people's tires and rims didnt get destroyed.
 
2014-05-09 04:02:21 AM

Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.


It is this. Just read any Union thread. People will argue this or that they shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.
 
2014-05-09 04:08:46 AM
When you fill the holes with gravel it just makes it more difficult for the city to later repair them with blacktop/cement. You're forcing them to pick out the gravel and dispose of it, probably quadrupling the time it takes them to do their work and requiring them to bring the extra equipment (storing the gravel) to do so.
 
2014-05-09 04:09:06 AM

Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.


X 10,000
 
2014-05-09 04:09:41 AM

ongbok: Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.

It is this. Just read any Union thread. People will argue this or that they shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.


This. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who built a strong and vital middle class in this country through the power of labor unions, must be spinning in their graves. Meanwhile, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have better toys, but bleaker futures.
 
2014-05-09 04:14:32 AM

Danger Avoid Death: ongbok: Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.

It is this. Just read any Union thread. People will argue this or that they shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.

This. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who built a strong and vital middle class in this country through the power of labor unions, must be spinning in their graves. Meanwhile, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have better toys, but bleaker futures.


Hell some of those guys that built the middle class through unions now are some of the biggest haters of unions because of Liberals. Doesn't make much sense does it?
 
2014-05-09 04:15:31 AM

OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.


Good one, you'll probaby get some bites.
 
2014-05-09 04:31:04 AM

ongbok: Danger Avoid Death: ongbok: Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.

It is this. Just read any Union thread. People will argue this or that they shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.

This. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who built a strong and vital middle class in this country through the power of labor unions, must be spinning in their graves. Meanwhile, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have better toys, but bleaker futures.

Hell some of those guys that built the middle class through unions now are some of the biggest haters of unions because of Liberals. Doesn't make much sense does it?


Don't worry. Keep trying. You're sure to make sense eventually.
 
2014-05-09 04:44:16 AM
When I was a kid my dad dealt with a pothole by spraypainting "POTHOLE" next to the pothole with a big ass arrow pointing to it. It got fixed the next day.

Not saying that I fully endorse this method, but it did work.
 
2014-05-09 04:47:42 AM

Slagnasty: When I was a kid my dad dealt with a pothole by spraypainting "POTHOLE" next to the pothole with a big ass arrow pointing to it.


That's just wrong. That big ass-arrow could have hurt someone.
 
2014-05-09 05:03:53 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Slagnasty: When I was a kid my dad dealt with a pothole by spraypainting "POTHOLE" next to the pothole with a big ass arrow pointing to it.

That's just wrong. That big ass-arrow could have hurt someone.


webxs24.com
 
2014-05-09 05:14:10 AM
We don't have problem like this in America. Socialism has forced the Canadian Government to neglect their citizens and their property. I'm glad I live in the 2nd greatest country in the world.
 
2014-05-09 05:18:13 AM

Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions instead of all workers getting better pay and benefits that unions enjoy, everyone should be dragged down to the level of the lowliest Taco Bell employee.


I'm amazed how well the rich in America have pulled of this shell game recently.  They've taken almost all the cookies themselves, and then said to the non-union workers "hey, that union guy is trying to take your cookie!"
 
2014-05-09 05:30:33 AM

Danger Avoid Death: cptjeff: Mark Ratner: Could've sworn this was a repeat, but the other article was about a guy in Texas filling the potholes with dirt. At least this guy was smart enough to use gravel. Sounds like a nice temporary fix until the lazy/cash-strapped city gets around to fixing it the right way.

If the city isn't meeting basic needs, they don't get to complain about what happens when somebody tries to cover for them, even if he is doing it wrong.

Then I guess you won't mind when he's your next paramedic.


Depends: how big is the "pothole" on the paramedic? Mouth sized or bigger?
 
2014-05-09 05:47:18 AM

Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.

 Maggie Thatcher.

Ronald Reagan
 
2014-05-09 05:55:24 AM

Danger Avoid Death: ongbok: Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.

It is this. Just read any Union thread. People will argue this or that they shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.

This. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who built a strong and vital middle class in this country through the power of labor unions, must be spinning in their graves. Meanwhile, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have better toys, but bleaker futures.


...our fathers are the ones destroying labor unions. Of course, they were the first generation fully removed from the Teddy Roosevelt-era union-busting, so they probably either genuinely don't know how bad it was back then, or don't care and think Pullman was a swell guy.
 
2014-05-09 06:00:00 AM

OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.


The fark union thug fellatiors will white knight these guys.

Union Bullies Boy Scout for Dastardly Good Deed
 http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Union-Bullies-Boy-Scout-f or- Dastardly-Good-Deed-70285552.html

Canadian Union of Public Employees striker in Windsor, Ontario dumps a bag of garbage in front of a child who was cleaning up a park.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cec_1243481443
 
2014-05-09 06:02:26 AM

Lord Farkwad: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

The fark union thug fellatiors will white knight these guys.

Union Bullies Boy Scout for Dastardly Good Deed
 http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Union-Bullies-Boy-Scout-f or- Dastardly-Good-Deed-70285552.html

Canadian Union of Public Employees striker in Windsor, Ontario dumps a bag of garbage in front of a child who was cleaning up a park.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cec_1243481443


The world has assholes everywhere in every walk of life, film at 11.
 
2014-05-09 06:12:20 AM

OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.


What is it with conservative jealousy? They hate it that union members make more than them and have better benefits, and their envy is just pathetic.
 
2014-05-09 06:14:55 AM
There was a giant pothole in the road near where I live, so big that it was a genuine hazard not just to cars wheels and axels, but also life as people noticed it late and instinctively swerved to avoid it. After about 2 months the council finally got round to patching it, but we all still have to avoid the patched area because they thoroughly botched it. It's just terrible. That's just one road, there are hundreds like it. Then the council decided to throw up some pointless roadworks a few roads away. Narrowing an already narrow road, putting in bumps, and making something that looks like a crossing, but isn't, so cars have right of way but pedestrians think they do. It's amazingly bad form. I honestly think its gone on so long and is so absolutely completely mishandled that either someone should face criminal charges, or the entire council should be sacked.

I also think councils view potholes as free road bumps.

The problem is the only time I care enough to do anything about it is when I'm driving over it. Any other time I forget, or like now I remember but the required level of anger isn't there enough to make me start doing something about it. I suspect it's the same for everyone. Also no one wants to complain. That's just bad form.

Thus endeth my rant about local potholes.
 
2014-05-09 06:25:16 AM
These guys are missing a big opportunity. Instead of filling the potholes with sand, dirt, or gravel, fill them with Super Balls. It's a bit more expensive and will have to be refilled more often but imagine the fun each time a vehicle drives over the pothole and Super Balls go flying everywhere! It'd pay for itself if filmed and posted on YouTube.
 
2014-05-09 06:38:52 AM

IlGreven: Danger Avoid Death: ongbok: Public Savant: OgreMagi: Because unions really hate it when someone else does the work they'll never do.

I never understood why so many Americans make these incredibly stupid remarks about unions.

Either you (as a nation) is not doing unionizing right, or a lot of you have been brainwashed by the right wing to believe that workers shouldn't be able to negotiate for higher salaries/better conditions.

It is this. Just read any Union thread. People will argue this or that they shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.

This. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who built a strong and vital middle class in this country through the power of labor unions, must be spinning in their graves. Meanwhile, their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have better toys, but bleaker futures.

...our fathers are the ones destroying labor unions. Of course, they were the first generation fully removed from the Teddy Roosevelt-era union-busting, so they probably either genuinely don't know how bad it was back then, or don't care and think Pullman was a swell guy.


I think you're confusing Roosevelt's trust-busting, the breaking up of the monopolies such as JP Morgan's Northern Securities Company, a huge railroad monopoly, and his breaking up of the beef trust that included Swift, Armour and others (think Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"), with union busting, which Roosevelt never really engaged in.

The closest he came to "union busting" wasn't actually union busting. During the 1902 coal miners strike, Roosevelt threatened -- and only threatened -- to use federal troops, forcing not only the striking miners but the reluctant mine owners into binding arbitration. The owners eventually made concessions and granted the miners higher wages and shorter hours.

Far from union busting, Roosevelt's efforts strengthened and legitimized the mine workers union. The half-year-long coal miners strike of 1902 is generally regarded by the United Mine Workers of America as a victory, and Teddy Roosevelt is viewed by unions as a friend to labor unions.

Also, Teddy Roosevelt was President from 1901 to 1909. That's almost two full generations removed from when my father was born in 1941. My father (machinists union), grandfather (painters union) and great-grandfather (railroad workers union) all belonged to strong unions and had a better standard of living than they would have had otherwise without these unions.
 
2014-05-09 06:58:57 AM

Memoryalpha: The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?

There is the likelihood that someone in the city or county govt is the owner of a chain of local retail tire shops.  For instance:  If you live in the Raleigh area, just go across any county line and suddenly the roads get much better, even in counties that are impoverished by comparison, to the point that you can tell when you cross out of Wake county just by the reduction in road noise.  Interestingly enough there are more tire shops in wake county than any other county in the state and most of them are owned by a couple of LLC's, which are in turn owned by members of local govt.  It's just good business practice for them to leave the roads in bad condition when even a pair of inexpensive tires cost about 140-160 dollars plus installation, alignment etc.  It's a money fountain.  Funny how that works out.


this
 
2014-05-09 07:03:44 AM

phalamir: The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?

The same reason you generally do not let your neighbor's semi-retarded collie fix your transmission.


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2014-05-09 07:13:10 AM

Memoryalpha: The more you eat the more you fart: Okay....why?

There is the likelihood that someone in the city or county govt is the owner of a chain of local retail tire shops.  For instance:  If you live in the Raleigh area, just go across any county line and suddenly the roads get much better, even in counties that are impoverished by comparison, to the point that you can tell when you cross out of Wake county just by the reduction in road noise.  Interestingly enough there are more tire shops in wake county than any other county in the state and most of them are owned by a couple of LLC's, which are in turn owned by members of local govt.  It's just good business practice for them to leave the roads in bad condition when even a pair of inexpensive tires cost about 140-160 dollars plus installation, alignment etc.  It's a money fountain.  Funny how that works out.


Follow the money and it will lead you to your answer.

My guess is the counties with nice roads have council members that own concrete plants.
 
2014-05-09 07:35:09 AM

Oldiron_79: Follow the money and it will lead you to your answer.

My guess is the counties with nice roads have council members that own concrete plants.


I'd rather that be the case than the other way around.  Keeping the roads in good condition adds value to society by making the most basic infrastructure that empowers our civilization navigable.
Letting potholes develop endangers the population, its property, and the "tire shop councilmen" are basically opportunistic weazels taking advantage of a problem they helped to create.
Broken Glass Fallacy, and all that.

CSB: There was an area of Oneida County, New York (In the 95% of New York that isn't major city) that had a major pothole problem on one of the most heavily traveled routes off of the Thruway.  One day an ambulance comes through, hits one, and rolls over killing the patient and a paramedic in back.
Complaints about them had been pouring in for years with no action.  The next day that one was filled in, and the rest of the roads (over 50 miles worth in all) were repaired within a month.
It's been a while since I've been to that part of the country, but those were some of the best maintained roads I'd ever encountered even years later, and I have a sad feeling its because families paid the price in blood for their local government's criminal negligence.
As one of the Weenerss said, when the local government abdicates one of its most basic duties, it also abdicates the right to biatch when the local population acts to protect themselves.  It's amazing how quickly the council was ready to send workers out to "clean up the mess" when they hadn't acted to fix the problem in the first place.
 
2014-05-09 07:41:25 AM

Slaxl: The problem is the only time I care enough to do anything about it is when I'm driving over it. Any other time I forget, or like now I remember but the required level of anger isn't there enough to make me start doing something about it. I suspect it's the same for everyone. Also no one wants to complain. That's just bad form.


Go ahead and complain - no one says that you have to get yourselv worked up before doing so.
If you just write a few lines and send them to your municipality, then the worst thing that can happen is that they do nothing - in which case nothing is lost.

You'll probably just get a reply about lack of funds, or that the stretch isn't due on the maintenance list yet.
But every little complaint/remark is likely to get a problematic stretch bumped up in importance.
It's 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' - but don't overdo the squeaking, that'll just get you no sympathy.
Complaining in a decent way and about something that is worthy of a complaint is not a bad thing.
If anything, it means that the muncipal workers can point out to their 'betters' that the budget is off.

This said, please keep in mind that the US has had a really shiatty winter and that is always murder on the roads.
So the budget that got approved last year probably didn't forsee the need for extra road maintenance this year.
And a little municipal trick (often used here in Denmark to the point where it becomes a cliche) is to cover unexpected expenses, such as clearing snow during surprise winter-hells, with fund from the 'Asphalt-account'... Yeah, downwards spiral, I know.
 
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