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(CBS New York)   Good News: New York metropolitan region starts its first new big bridge project in 83 years with a new Goethals Bridge. Bad news: It's still going to New Jersey   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 57
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2014-05-08 03:08:31 PM  
Oh, good, another venue for a Christie temper tantrum.
 
2014-05-08 03:38:29 PM  
you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.
 
2014-05-08 03:53:38 PM  

ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.


Psst...... subby has been here since 1973

/it's OK for people from dirty jersey to make fun of dirty jersey

Actually the new bridge will be a great addition to the area with its sharp looks and extra lanes, I know I'll use it a lot as I hate going on the Outerbridge crossing.
 
2014-05-08 03:57:29 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.

Psst...... subby has been here since 1973

/it's OK for people from dirty jersey to make fun of dirty jersey

Actually the new bridge will be a great addition to the area with its sharp looks and extra lanes, I know I'll use it a lot as I hate going on the Outerbridge crossing.


I can count on 1 hand how many times I've driven across that bridge.
 
2014-05-08 04:09:22 PM  

ManateeGag: I can count on 1 hand how many times I've driven across that bridge.


The moms lives on Long Island so I use it the Outerbridge crossing quite a lot coming from the shore. I would travel a little farther to use the new bridge out of convenience.
 
2014-05-08 05:58:57 PM  

RexTalionis: Oh, good, another venue for a Christie temper tantrum.


Don't worry, at the typical rate of construction for large infrastructure projects in the U.S., Christie might well be dead before this one is done.
 
2014-05-08 06:02:01 PM  
I'm more curious to find out if the Tappan Zee bridge will collapse before or after they finally get around to doing the preliminary work on whether or not they might want to consider replacing it.
 
2014-05-08 06:03:51 PM  
83 years? Guess the Verrazano-Narrows bridge is older than I thought.
 
2014-05-08 06:11:26 PM  
I like how they say it's a four-year project scheduled for completion in 2017...  we all know that means construction will begin in earnest in 2017, with completion by 2026, and it will have a cost overrun equal to three times the original budget.
 
2014-05-08 06:12:16 PM  
meh it's between jersey and staten island, so no real difference
 
2014-05-08 06:12:38 PM  
Staten Island is NYC's freak borough, it's within pissing distance of Jersey, but until the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge was completed in the 60s there was no way to drive directly from the other boroughs of NYC to Staten Island.  No subways either, the only way to get to SI from the other parts of NYC involved a ferry boat or a detour through Jersey.    SI also has a lot more in common with Jersey than with the rest of the city.  SI routinely votes Republican while the rest of the city votes Democrat....already the place is covered with "Christie 16" signs.   I think NYC would be doing themselves a big favor if they traded SI to Jersey in exchange for Hudson County.
 
2014-05-08 06:14:57 PM  
Well, I can't speak for NY/ NJ construction firms, except to assume it's a division of Fat Tony's Olive Import Company and Waste Disposal, but it sure looks a lot better than that old eyesore.  I do also like the idea that they are at least trying to add pedestrian access and space for a transit line to cross.  That's actually a lot more foresight than I usually imagine in a public works project these days.
 
2014-05-08 06:16:42 PM  

germ78: I'm more curious to find out if the Tappan Zee bridge will collapse before or after they finally get around to doing the preliminary work on whether or not they might want to consider replacing it.


nope i don't think they'll ever do anything...

static01.nyt.com
 
2014-05-08 06:21:37 PM  
4 years and $1.5 billion? I believe that's about what the Bay Bridge replacement was estimated at. That turned out to be 6 years late and almost $6 billion more expensive.
 
2014-05-08 06:22:58 PM  

ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.


Making NJ a better place might as well be a Mission Impossible sequel
 
2014-05-08 06:27:11 PM  

DrBear: 83 years? Guess the Verrazano-Narrows bridge is older than I thought.


subby's headline is bad.. the Verrazano is only about 50 years old.. that's an MTA bridge though.

This is, however, the first bridge for the PANYNJ in 83 years.

/I like infrastructure
 
2014-05-08 06:27:22 PM  
People from New Jersey should go to Pennsylvania, buy a gun, and blow their brains out.
 
2014-05-08 06:27:48 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-08 06:30:12 PM  
Don't worry about the bridge going to New Jersey, Subby. Worry if it comes back.

Maybe Christie will make it a one way bridge.

But which way?
 
2014-05-08 06:36:49 PM  
As a man who likes paying in large boxes full of cash, I can't wait to buy it from friendly local realtors.
 
2014-05-08 06:39:48 PM  

wxboy: RexTalionis: Oh, good, another venue for a Christie temper tantrum.

Don't worry, at the typical rate of construction for large infrastructure projects in the U.S., Christie might well be dead before this one is done.


There's two possible tantrums that  Rex could be referring to.  The GWB-gate, yeah, it'd be a while.  But, there was also Christie's tantrum that ended progress on additional train tunnels between Jersey and Penn Station ("ARC").  The boring machines were already digging when Christie decided to back out of an already committed project.

Hate on them all you want, but there's a lot of decaying North Jersey that could really use a hipster plague for a few years, but the overcrowded transit system prevents much more of that.
 
2014-05-08 06:43:06 PM  
Can we make it one way only?
 
2014-05-08 06:45:29 PM  

lilplatinum: Can we make it one way only?


one way into the arthur kill - don't put in the center section for either way
 
2014-05-08 06:55:07 PM  
Does this mean they're also going to re-open the giant landfill to accommodate more of jersey spilling over?
 
2014-05-08 07:05:15 PM  

Fissile: Staten Island is NYC's freak borough, it's within pissing distance of Jersey, but until the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge was completed in the 60s there was no way to drive directly from the other boroughs of NYC to Staten Island.  No subways either, the only way to get to SI from the other parts of NYC involved a ferry boat or a detour through Jersey.    SI also has a lot more in common with Jersey than with the rest of the city.  SI routinely votes Republican while the rest of the city votes Democrat....already the place is covered with "Christie 16" signs.   I think NYC would be doing themselves a big favor if they traded SI to Jersey in exchange for Hudson County.


That would actually be a good trade. Hudson County is the only place other than Chicago that I've read about the dead rising from the grave to vote. When the rest of the state is in a deadlock, as in 1889, the dead from Hudson cast the deciding vote.
 
2014-05-08 07:10:07 PM  

ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.


As a Jersey expat, i say Subby's title is correct. New Yorkers have too much access to NJ as it is.

We get enough of their physical trash down current. Don't need more of their trash people too.

/All the Jersey Shore cast but one was a NY'er.
 
2014-05-08 07:10:34 PM  
Isn't Goethals the guy that found Helen Keller in the attic in Copehagen?
 
2014-05-08 07:10:55 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.

Psst...... subby has been here since 1973

/it's OK for people from dirty jersey to make fun of dirty jersey

Actually the new bridge will be a great addition to the area with its sharp looks and extra lanes, I know I'll use it a lot as I hate going on the Outerbridge crossing.


No. No, it's really not ok.
 
2014-05-08 07:11:33 PM  
Most folks I know call it the "Go to Hell" bridge.
 
2014-05-08 07:13:16 PM  

brimed03: As a Jersey expat, i say Subby's title is correct. New Yorkers have too much access to NJ as it is.

We get enough of their physical trash down current. Don't need more of their trash people too.


Ahh, little irrelevant brother syndrome is so cute.
 
2014-05-08 07:14:26 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: germ78: I'm more curious to find out if the Tappan Zee bridge will collapse before or after they finally get around to doing the preliminary work on whether or not they might want to consider replacing it.

nope i don't think they'll ever do anything...


That's not to say that the Tappan Zee won't collapse before the new bridge is completed.

Fun fact...The bridge was built over the widest part of the Hudson because if it was built any closer to NYC, the NY Thruway Authority would have lost jurisdiction and the toll revenue to the Port Authority.
 
2014-05-08 07:14:33 PM  

germ78: I'm more curious to find out if the Tappan Zee bridge will collapse before or after they finally get around to doing the preliminary work on whether or not they might want to consider replacing it.


Great views from TappenZee. I loved looking upriver at the headlands. My SO loved looking downriver at the City.
 
2014-05-08 07:16:34 PM  

Fissile: Staten Island is NYC's freak borough, it's within pissing distance of Jersey, but until the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge was completed in the 60s there was no way to drive directly from the other boroughs of NYC to Staten Island.  No subways either, the only way to get to SI from the other parts of NYC involved a ferry boat or a detour through Jersey.    SI also has a lot more in common with Jersey than with the rest of the city.  SI routinely votes Republican while the rest of the city votes Democrat....already the place is covered with "Christie 16" signs.   I think NYC would be doing themselves a big favor if they traded SI to Jersey in exchange for Hudson County.


And why would NJ want SI?
 
2014-05-08 07:22:03 PM  

Piizzadude: ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.

Making NJ a better place might as well be a Mission Impossible sequel


Says the guy from cow-country PA.

/There's Philly and Pittsburg; all the rest is cow-country
//And Philly and Pittsburgh suck. So eat it.
///slashies in three
 
2014-05-08 07:23:41 PM  

duffblue: People from New Jersey should go to Pennsylvania, buy a gun, and blow their brains out.


Yes, Pennsylvania would be better off with their brains blown out.

We'd practice on you but there's no target.
 
2014-05-08 07:29:31 PM  

lilplatinum: brimed03: As a Jersey expat, i say Subby's title is correct. New Yorkers have too much access to NJ as it is.

We get enough of their physical trash down current. Don't need more of their trash people too.

Ahh, little irrelevant brother syndrome is so cute.


Oh please. Your state sucks so hard the City is the only thing you talk about. Which is ironic since, geographically, it's NJ's hatbrim.
 
2014-05-08 07:30:50 PM  

brimed03: Piizzadude: ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.

Making NJ a better place might as well be a Mission Impossible sequel

Says the guy from cow-country PA.

/There's Philly and Pittsburg; all the rest is cow-country
//And Philly and Pittsburgh suck. So eat it.
///slashies in three


More landfill space?
 
2014-05-08 07:45:42 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Approves!

/obscure?
 
2014-05-08 07:52:53 PM  

brimed03: Oh please. Your state sucks so hard the City is the only thing you talk about.


I agree the state sucks, I have no pride for it.  Half my family came from far upstate, that shiathole is almost as bad as Jersey.
 
2014-05-08 07:53:27 PM  
The new $1.5 billion cable-stayed span will have three lanes in each direction, wide shoulders, a walkway and space for future mass transit...

...The four-year project is slated to be complete in late 2017. It's expected to have a 100-year lifespan.


I'm gonna guess that based on this little nugget...

The project has been on the drawing board for over a decade.

...construction will *begin* in 2016, cost $6.7 billion and the bridge will need to be replaced in 30 years.
 
2014-05-08 08:00:02 PM  

brimed03: germ78: I'm more curious to find out if the Tappan Zee bridge will collapse before or after they finally get around to doing the preliminary work on whether or not they might want to consider replacing it.

Great views from TappenZee. I loved looking upriver at the headlands. My SO loved looking downriver at the City.


Not putting light rail on the new TZ is moronic. That should be the whole point of the bridge, not an afterthought.
 
2014-05-08 08:01:14 PM  
The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge  Started 1959. Opened 1964.
 
2014-05-08 08:05:02 PM  
Goe tha (Hh)ls

Sounds legit.
 
2014-05-08 08:42:26 PM  

brimed03: Fissile: Staten Island is NYC's freak borough, it's within pissing distance of Jersey, but until the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge was completed in the 60s there was no way to drive directly from the other boroughs of NYC to Staten Island.  No subways either, the only way to get to SI from the other parts of NYC involved a ferry boat or a detour through Jersey.    SI also has a lot more in common with Jersey than with the rest of the city.  SI routinely votes Republican while the rest of the city votes Democrat....already the place is covered with "Christie 16" signs.   I think NYC would be doing themselves a big favor if they traded SI to Jersey in exchange for Hudson County.

And why would NJ want SI?


Because it's got that certain je ne sais quoi common to Jersey....what most normal people refer to as skank.
 
2014-05-08 10:18:03 PM  
Ugh.

I wish they would stop tearing down attractive historic steel truss bridges and replacing them with fugly cable stayed garbage, or worse - a flat, featureless, concrete bridge.

Want to do it right and increase capacity?  Build a second, identical, new steel truss bridge beside the first, and then do a full structural refurbishment on the historic bridge.
 
2014-05-08 10:41:55 PM  

ManateeGag: you don't have to come here, subby.  in fact, don't.  it will make the state a better place.


You know why New Yorkers are always so depressed?

New Jersey is the light at the end of the tunnel.

Of course, it could be worse.  They could be stuck SmAlbany.  Seriously, I'd kill for high speed rail to NYC and/or Boston.
 
2014-05-08 10:42:11 PM  
Im surprised a certain well endowed pervert hasnt shown up with pics of a certain child star from the 90s
 
2014-05-08 10:44:39 PM  

DarkVader: Ugh.

I wish they would stop tearing down attractive historic steel truss bridges and replacing them with fugly cable stayed garbage, or worse - a flat, featureless, concrete bridge.

Want to do it right and increase capacity?  Build a second, identical, new steel truss bridge beside the first, and then do a full structural refurbishment on the historic bridge.


Ugh.  Steel truss bridges are ugly as sin.  Give me a nice cable bridge any day.
 
2014-05-08 10:47:11 PM  
New Goethals
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New Tappan
www.fluor.com

Did they get a 2-for-1 deal or something?
 
2014-05-08 10:58:34 PM  

germ78: I'm more curious to find out if the Tappan Zee bridge will collapse before or after they finally get around to doing the preliminary work on whether or not they might want to consider replacing it.


Seriously.  I cringed going over it a few weeks ago.  It's going to be a mighty big disaster once it finally goes.  Hundreds dead, followed by near shutdown of an exurban region.
 
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