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(The New York Times)   You might want to dial it back a little when your terror attacks are too extreme for Al Queda   (nytimes.com) divider line 39
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2014-05-08 02:24:17 PM  
Nigeria has the largest population and the largest economy in Africa.  do they have the capabilities to stop Boko Harem?  It doesn't appear they do.  It would be devastating if their country were to go the way of Somalia.
 
2014-05-08 03:03:09 PM  
They just need a whiter shade of pale.
 
2014-05-08 03:33:00 PM  
You might want to dial it back a little when your comments on the negro are too extreme for Sean Hannity.

Fixed that for US politics
 
2014-05-08 03:55:26 PM  
Don't understand the problem. The Ottoman rulers had beaucoup harems for centuries and it seemed to work out okay.
 
2014-05-08 04:00:29 PM  
This group makes me think of an Islamic version of David Koresh; a local fringe crackpot with self destructive tendencies.
 
2014-05-08 04:00:35 PM  

SlothB77: Nigeria has the largest population and the largest economy in Africa.  do they have the capabilities to stop Boko Harem?  It doesn't appear they do.  It would be devastating if their country were to go the way of Somalia.


You mean become a libertarian paradise?
 
2014-05-08 04:09:47 PM  

SlothB77: Nigeria has the largest population and the largest economy in Africa.  do they have the capabilities to stop Boko Harem?  It doesn't appear they do.  It would be devastating if their country were to go the way of Somalia.


The demographics of Nigeria are nothing like Somalia in the sense that there's a very large Christian population. The northern part of Nigeria, though, could become like Somalia in the sense that it's ruled by Islamic extremists.
 
2014-05-08 04:11:08 PM  
"Yeah, I guess he thought the other terrorist groups were a little too warm and fuzzy for his tastes"
 
2014-05-08 04:14:59 PM  
But I thought all Muslims were terrorist sympathizers because Sean Hannity has never, ever heard a so-called "peaceful" Muslim denounce terrorists!

But I guess these are terrorists condemning other terrorists, so technically he's still right.
 
2014-05-08 04:15:07 PM  
That article was basically the NYT's version of Freep Republic
 
2014-05-08 04:15:48 PM  
200 girls? more like buku harem... amirite??? amirite??
 
2014-05-08 04:20:21 PM  

Alphax: This group makes me think of an Islamic version of David Koresh; a local fringe crackpot with self destructive tendencies.


Did Koresh kill anybody before being backed into a corner by the feds? I think this is way beyond what even he did. As far as I could tell, Boko Haram are just barbarous, murdering dickbags.
 
2014-05-08 04:22:35 PM  

Arkanaut: Alphax: This group makes me think of an Islamic version of David Koresh; a local fringe crackpot with self destructive tendencies.

Did Koresh kill anybody before being backed into a corner by the feds? I think this is way beyond what even he did. As far as I could tell, Boko Haram are just barbarous, murdering dickbags.


They seem more like the FARC as far as methods. Paramilitary group tough to dislodge financing themselves through whatever means.
 
2014-05-08 04:23:15 PM  

zipdog: SlothB77: Nigeria has the largest population and the largest economy in Africa.  do they have the capabilities to stop Boko Harem?  It doesn't appear they do.  It would be devastating if their country were to go the way of Somalia.

The demographics of Nigeria are nothing like Somalia in the sense that there's a very large Christian population. The northern part of Nigeria, though, could become like Somalia in the sense that it's ruled by Islamic extremists.


Nigeria has oil, which also changes the equation.
 
2014-05-08 04:27:26 PM  

Arkanaut: Alphax: This group makes me think of an Islamic version of David Koresh; a local fringe crackpot with self destructive tendencies.

Did Koresh kill anybody before being backed into a corner by the feds? I think this is way beyond what even he did. As far as I could tell, Boko Haram are just barbarous, murdering dickbags.


IIRC, Koresh did make his followers turn their wives and daughters over to him, so that he was the only male allowed to have sex.
 
2014-05-08 04:32:29 PM  
I see the Weeners cited is somebody claiming the news is a false flag operation.
 
2014-05-08 04:32:59 PM  
This is one of those times that I wish the Real world were just a little bit more like "Game of Thrones" and Al-Qaeda would take it upon themselves to fed ex up the leader of Boko Harum in 9 different mason jars just to make the statement that "yeah we may be terrorists but there are just something you do. not. do"

As it is I suspect Nigerian Security forces let by a few quiet and suspiciously well equipped guys with Georgia accents are about to announce the successful Killing/capture of Mohammed Yusuf reasonably soon
 
2014-05-08 04:37:41 PM  
Al Qaeda is an organization with shared beliefs and "rational" goals that they actively work towards.  Goals they consider "moral".  Pretending they're evil incarnate just causes you to fail to understand them.  If you look at things that Osama actually said when he was alive, it's very different from the narrative we kinda just ran with.

This isn't a post meant to evoke sympathy for murderers, but one meant to remind you that many people fight when they have problems that they see no other way to resolve.  Uncaring sadistic sociopaths are few-and-far between.

So, no, I'm not the slightest bit surprised when Al Qaeda condemns an attack that isn't in alignment with their imagined morals.
 
2014-05-08 04:41:32 PM  

Magorn: This is one of those times that I wish the Real world were just a little bit more like "Game of Thrones" and Al-Qaeda would take it upon themselves to fed ex up the leader of Boko Harum in 9 different mason jars just to make the statement that "yeah we may be terrorists but there are just something you do. not. do"

As it is I suspect Nigerian Security forces let by a few quiet and suspiciously well equipped guys with Georgia accents are about to announce the successful Killing/capture of Mohammed Yusuf reasonably soon


Maybe French or British accents, but I think you're right about how much further this will be allowed to go.
 
2014-05-08 04:50:16 PM  

Magorn: This is one of those times that I wish the Real world were just a little bit more like "Game of Thrones" and Al-Qaeda would take it upon themselves to fed ex up the leader of Boko Harum in 9 different mason jars just to make the statement that "yeah we may be terrorists but there are just something you do. not. do"

As it is I suspect Nigerian Security forces let by a few quiet and suspiciously well equipped guys with Georgia accents are about to announce the successful Killing/capture of Mohammed Yusuf reasonably soon


Wouldn't that be involving ourselves where our national interest isn't at stake, something that we're supposed to stop doing?
 
2014-05-08 05:04:57 PM  

Alphax: Arkanaut: Alphax: This group makes me think of an Islamic version of David Koresh; a local fringe crackpot with self destructive tendencies.

Did Koresh kill anybody before being backed into a corner by the feds? I think this is way beyond what even he did. As far as I could tell, Boko Haram are just barbarous, murdering dickbags.

IIRC, Koresh did make his followers turn their wives and daughters over to him, so that he was the only male allowed to have sex.


Oh ok, in the child wives sense. Before this though Boko Haram is mostly known for bombing schools and police stations, so that's what I was thinking of.


UrukHaiGuyz: They seem more like the FARC as far as methods. Paramilitary group tough to dislodge financing themselves through whatever means.

Also sounds like the Taliban.
 
2014-05-08 05:53:38 PM  
Meanwhile, the Taliban thinks throwing acid in girls' faces is just peachy.
 
2014-05-08 06:12:39 PM  

flondrix: throwing acid in girls' faces is just peachy.


'round here, we put peaches in girls'...asses?
 
2014-05-08 06:47:58 PM  

SlothB77: Nigeria has the largest population and the largest economy in Africa.  do they have the capabilities to stop Boko Harem?  It doesn't appear they do.  It would be devastating if their country were to go the way of Somalia.


Of course they have the capabilities.

And no, there's nothing to indicate that they don't.


Also your newsletter, I'd mark it as spam.
 
2014-05-08 06:49:59 PM  

12349876: zipdog: SlothB77: Nigeria has the largest population and the largest economy in Africa.  do they have the capabilities to stop Boko Harem?  It doesn't appear they do.  It would be devastating if their country were to go the way of Somalia.

The demographics of Nigeria are nothing like Somalia in the sense that there's a very large Christian population. The northern part of Nigeria, though, could become like Somalia in the sense that it's ruled by Islamic extremists.

Nigeria has oil, which also changes the equation.


Only the Christian parts. Mostly the Igbo areas, someone Nigeria handled during the Biaffra period.

SlothB77 just wanted to write "first", but to mask it he wrote some drivel.
 
2014-05-08 09:18:10 PM  

spawn73: Of course they have the capabilities.

And no, there's nothing to indicate that they don't.


Not to agree with the poster you were replying to, but no, Nigeria really may not have the capabilities to deal with Boko Haram--at least not quickly.  In the areas where Boko Haram is powerful, they have a lot of ground support.  The people that don't support them are afraid of them, with good cause since it's well-financed, well-trained, and well-armed.  The government has so far failed to infiltrate Boko Haram so they don't really know what they plan or where they are; whereas it's likely the security forces have a lot of BH members feeding the group information.  Finally, the group is likely scattered in dense, rough terrain so digging them out is a lot like trying to sweep the jungle for Viet-Cong.

Source
 
2014-05-08 09:52:13 PM  

Arkanaut: Alphax: Arkanaut: Alphax: This group makes me think of an Islamic version of David Koresh; a local fringe crackpot with self destructive tendencies.

Did Koresh kill anybody before being backed into a corner by the feds? I think this is way beyond what even he did. As far as I could tell, Boko Haram are just barbarous, murdering dickbags.

IIRC, Koresh did make his followers turn their wives and daughters over to him, so that he was the only male allowed to have sex.

Oh ok, in the child wives sense. Before this though Boko Haram is mostly known for bombing schools and police stations, so that's what I was thinking of.


UrukHaiGuyz: They seem more like the FARC as far as methods. Paramilitary group tough to dislodge financing themselves through whatever means.

Also sounds like the Taliban.


Re: child wives- iirc the accusations against Koresh were never substantiated.

My boss listens to right wing talk radioand this came up. The number of girls given was 300, though, and they spent most od the time biatching about how Clinton spent her time as SecState fighting to keep them from being labeled as a terrorist group. Also, they seem to have struck again, slaughtering a village of three or four hundred. Half they shot to death, the other half they allegedly burned alive.
 
2014-05-08 10:12:35 PM  

RINO: Re: child wives- iirc the accusations against Koresh were never substantiated.


Of course not. They didn't have to be. 14 was the the age of consent for a minor to marry by their parents in Texas. And, that's what the Sheriff of McLennan County said.

Guy was a nut job. But, hey, go and justify it. Make kidnappings in Africa a little easier to swallow.
 
2014-05-08 10:41:09 PM  
There is no reason for this.  The truth is plain to see.  Latest reports have them heading for the coast.
 
2014-05-08 10:48:08 PM  
So, did Al Queda tweet something like "Wow, bro, that's too far, even for us.. #smh"
 
2014-05-09 08:47:57 AM  

djkutch: RINO: Re: child wives- iirc the accusations against Koresh were never substantiated.

Of course not. They didn't have to be. 14 was the the age of consent for a minor to marry by their parents in Texas. And, that's what the Sheriff of McLennan County said.

Guy was a nut job. But, hey, go and justify it. Make kidnappings in Africa a little easier to swallow.


So correcting something with fact pertaining to a tragic historical event is now justifying the abduction and eventual trafficking of children? What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2014-05-09 10:03:52 AM  

Parthenogenetic: But I thought all Muslims were terrorist sympathizers because Sean Hannity has never, ever heard a so-called "peaceful" Muslim denounce terrorists!But I guess these are terrorists condemning other terrorists, so technically he's still right.


Didn't read the article did you? They are "denouncing" it like you denounce your brother for squashing a bug. They are in alignment and have full alliance with them. They are all birds of the same feather and kidnapping 200 innocent girls means nothing.
 
2014-05-09 10:09:18 AM  

ikanreed: Al Qaeda is an organization with shared beliefs and "rational" goals that they actively work towards. Goals they consider "moral". Pretending they're evil incarnate just causes you to fail to understand them.


I understand them just fine and they ARE evil incarnate. Equating them with some kind of protest group is simply wrong and dangerous. Wow Have we really gotten to the point in America where we are OK with a group like Al Qaeda? Are you really trying to garner sympathy for them?
 
2014-05-09 10:31:23 AM  
Apparently people have time and resources to go out making t-shirts about this, but can't bring themselves to actually do anything about it.
How American of them.
 
2014-05-09 11:32:46 AM  

ds615: Apparently people have time and resources to go out making t-shirts about this, but can't bring themselves to actually do anything about it.
How American of them.


See also: KONY 2012
 
2014-05-09 01:01:43 PM  

walkingtall: ikanreed: Al Qaeda is an organization with shared beliefs and "rational" goals that they actively work towards. Goals they consider "moral". Pretending they're evil incarnate just causes you to fail to understand them.

I understand them just fine and they ARE evil incarnate. Equating them with some kind of protest group is simply wrong and dangerous. Wow Have we really gotten to the point in America where we are OK with a group like Al Qaeda? Are you really trying to garner sympathy for them?


Okay,

A.  You're a moron.
B.  I explicitly said that wasn't the point of my post, moron.
C.  I really can't emphasize the moron point enough.
D.  God damn are you thick.
E.  You're straight up wrong, and you're pretty good at creating next generations' terrorists.

If you can't grasp the basics of how desperate people lash out with violence and religious fervor, you have as piss-poor an understanding of human nature as is possible.
 
2014-05-09 01:47:20 PM  

ikanreed: If you can't grasp the basics of how desperate people lash out with violence and religious fervor, you have as piss-poor an understanding of human nature as is possible


IM the moron? You obviously know nothing about the group you are making excuses for? Now they are desperate people? These are FAR from desperate people running things. The only desperate people involved are the poor women children and young men they convince to strap bombs to themselves and blow stuff up. The leaders are educated rich and know exactly what they are doing. They are evil people and have no excuse despite what cretins like you might try and convince people of.
 
2014-05-09 01:53:00 PM  

ikanreed: This isn't a post meant to evoke sympathy for murderers, but one meant to remind you that many people fight when they have problems that they see no other way to resolve. Uncaring sadistic sociopaths are few-and-far between


This is a demonstrably wrong statement. Demonstrated by every single day since the dawn of history. People may have reasons for what they do but evil does exist. There are a lot more sociopaths then you seem to realize. There is nothing about this group nor any Islamic terrorist organization that is about fighting because they have to. This is making excuses and minimizing what these people do and I stand by my statement that you are not only an idiot but a dangerous idiot.
 
2014-05-09 02:05:06 PM  

ikanreed: If you can't grasp the basics of how desperate people lash out with violence and religious fervor, you have as piss-poor an understanding of human nature as is possible


Someone said "Its not what you don't know that is the problem it is what you think you know that you are wrong about" I am sure you sit on your righteous high place and look down on me but if you really think that anything that has to do with Islamic violence except the poor people being used as bombs is about desperation you are incorrect and it is very dangerous way to think because you might want to believe if you appease them by giving them money or land or whatever then they will act like rational people you are going to be wrong. You cant argue with them, you cant bargain with them, all you can do is isolate yourself from them and be ever vigilant. Respond in force when attacked and never ever let up.
 
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