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(Pitchfork)   So what has Tommy Lee been up to lately? Well he will be the drummer on the Smashing Pumpkins' next album   (pitchfork.com) divider line 44
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2014-05-08 12:58:07 PM
it's like a perfect storm of shiatty, past their prime rockstars
 
2014-05-08 01:18:13 PM
greatimg.com

Remember this?

Well, you do now.
 
2014-05-08 01:20:19 PM
Not that I care, but I can grudgingly admit Tommy Lee is a good drummer.

He's no Jimmy Chamberlain, of course. So like I said at the outset: yeah. Don't care.
 
2014-05-08 01:20:38 PM
Oh, and for anybody under, what... 35 or so? That's not from his nasty homemade porn video, either.
 
2014-05-08 01:21:49 PM
Wow a great actor and now a drummer too.
s1.evcdn.com

//He was great in The Fugitive
 
2014-05-08 01:24:28 PM
skozlaw:

Remember this?

Well, you do now.


I would have preferred not to see that....
 
2014-05-08 01:25:36 PM
I thought testosterone was an automatic disqualifier for playing with that band? Maybe excepting bassists.
 
2014-05-08 01:32:59 PM
A considerable bit of the greatness of early Smashing Pumpkins can be attributed to the drumming. I think that will be glaringly obvious when you hear the next album.
 
2014-05-08 01:37:38 PM
There is something incredibly hot about TL.  He's got a big one, and he looks like he would be fun in a trailer park sex kind of way.
Then, I remember how diseased he is.
 
2014-05-08 01:41:02 PM
Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.
 
2014-05-08 01:51:44 PM
I hope the studio doesn't implode from the combined mass of Corgan and Lee's combined egos
 
2014-05-08 01:54:17 PM
"I'm gonna tell my kids that I saw the Smashing Pumpkins' last show before they broke up.  So what I spent a ton of cash to get tickets.  This is a once-in-a-lifetime event!"

- A Smashing Pumpkins fan on December 2, 2000, outside of the Metro in Chicago.

"We got hosed by Billy Corgan, Davey.  We got hosed."

- Same Smashing Pumpkins fan reading the FARK article.
 
2014-05-08 01:55:49 PM
I assume he's been having sex while wearing sunglasses.
 
2014-05-08 02:03:31 PM
www.myfacewhen.net
 
2014-05-08 02:05:16 PM

milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.


Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.
 
2014-05-08 02:08:27 PM

skozlaw: [greatimg.com image 480x294]

Remember this?

Well, you do now.


Does he drum with that?
 
2014-05-08 02:08:59 PM

mjohnson71: milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.

Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.


So much THIS!

Just change the name of the band from "The Smashing Pumpkins" to "The Billy Corgan Band" and call it a day.
 
2014-05-08 02:16:34 PM

milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.


A session player wouldn't get you talking about it, for one thing.
 
2014-05-08 02:18:31 PM

Rann Xerox: mjohnson71: milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.

Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.

So much THIS!

Just change the name of the band from "The Smashing Pumpkins" to "The Billy Corgan Band" and call it a day.


It's always been the Billy Corgan band, he didn't put an actual band together until he had to tour for Gish
 
2014-05-08 02:20:43 PM

Rann Xerox: mjohnson71: milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.

Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.

So much THIS!

Just change the name of the band from "The Smashing Pumpkins" to "The Billy Corgan Band" and call it a day.


He tried that, but the Smashing Pumpkins brand will always outsell anything just labeled Billy Corgan. So, he follows the money.
 
2014-05-08 02:28:59 PM
Let me guess: the bass player will be some gal paid to look bored.
 
2014-05-08 02:36:49 PM

killzoe: Rann Xerox: mjohnson71: milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.

Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.

So much THIS!

Just change the name of the band from "The Smashing Pumpkins" to "The Billy Corgan Band" and call it a day.

He tried that, but the Smashing Pumpkins brand will always outsell anything just labeled Billy Corgan. So, he follows the money.



... and is thus, no different than any of us.

/ at least he still puts out new music.  Most of his peers just recycle the hits.
 
2014-05-08 02:38:25 PM
... anybody know what happened to Mike Byrne?
 
2014-05-08 02:42:21 PM

killzoe: Rann Xerox: mjohnson71: milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.

Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.

So much THIS!

Just change the name of the band from "The Smashing Pumpkins" to "The Billy Corgan Band" and call it a day.

He tried that, but the Smashing Pumpkins brand will always outsell anything just labeled Billy Corgan. So, he follows the money.


He even tried to retire from recording CDs and do straight digital downloads, but ended up making Oceanic anyway. The dude is the king at making absolutist statements he has to backtrack two years later.
 
2014-05-08 02:46:12 PM

verbaltoxin: killzoe: Rann Xerox: mjohnson71: milowitz: Which overall doesn't require a lot of tough drumming. Why wouldn't you go for a well-known session player.

Probably because nobody else will put up with Billy's bulshiate.

So much THIS!

Just change the name of the band from "The Smashing Pumpkins" to "The Billy Corgan Band" and call it a day.

He tried that, but the Smashing Pumpkins brand will always outsell anything just labeled Billy Corgan. So, he follows the money.

He even tried to retire from recording CDs and do straight digital downloads, but ended up making Oceanic anyway. The dude is the king at making absolutist statements he has to backtrack two years later.


That's what happens when you can't capture the zeitgeist
 
2014-05-08 02:56:53 PM
Tommy Lee is a good drummer.  Billy Corgan is one of the worst guitarists/singers to ever record.  But he's a huge wrestling fan, so he has that going for him.  Seriously, he's huge.
 
2014-05-08 03:20:36 PM

STRYPERSWINE: Tommy Lee is a good drummer.  Billy Corgan is one of the worst guitarists/singers to ever record.  But he's a huge wrestling fan, so he has that going for him.  Seriously, he's huge.


I hear Tommy Lee is also huge. What if I told you Billy Corgan dedicated himself to learning Rush's 2112 note-for-note? Would your opinion of him improve?
 
2014-05-08 03:28:22 PM

devilEther: STRYPERSWINE: Tommy Lee is a good drummer.  Billy Corgan is one of the worst guitarists/singers to ever record.  But he's a huge wrestling fan, so he has that going for him.  Seriously, he's huge.

I hear Tommy Lee is also huge. What if I told you Billy Corgan dedicated himself to learning Rush's 2112 note-for-note? Would your opinion of him improve?


I saw him mention that on one of Rush's documentaries. It's easy to make claims that you "used to know how to play it note for note", but until I see him actually do it I'm skeptical
 
2014-05-08 03:58:03 PM

ModernPrimitive01: devilEther: STRYPERSWINE: Tommy Lee is a good drummer.  Billy Corgan is one of the worst guitarists/singers to ever record.  But he's a huge wrestling fan, so he has that going for him.  Seriously, he's huge.

I hear Tommy Lee is also huge. What if I told you Billy Corgan dedicated himself to learning Rush's 2112 note-for-note? Would your opinion of him improve?

I saw him mention that on one of Rush's documentaries. It's easy to make claims that you "used to know how to play it note for note", but until I see him actually do it I'm skeptical


Three clips should resolve your disdain for his playing...

aeroplane flies high  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPm6-0P32ks

starla live at filmore  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUcCZGDXM8

cherub rock live  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiwTTkSN3zA


of course, haters gonna hate
 
2014-05-08 04:18:28 PM
The only way you could get any more pretentious than a Billy Corgan/Tommy Lee combo is if you put Michael Stipe at lead vocals and had Chris Martin write their songs.
 
2014-05-08 04:29:09 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I hope the studio doesn't implode from the combined mass of Corgan and Lee's combined egos


Not long ago, a friend told me that BC had (still has?) a blog, so in a nostalgic moment, I read some of it.

In it, I learned BC is prone to word salad-itis and has procreated.

/shudder
//I also learned he dated Fark's favorite MySpace Asian dwarf slut*

*IIRC
 
2014-05-08 04:56:30 PM

sovietski: ModernPrimitive01: I hope the studio doesn't implode from the combined mass of Corgan and Lee's combined egos

Not long ago, a friend told me that BC had (still has?) a blog, so in a nostalgic moment, I read some of it.

In it, I learned BC is prone to word salad-itis and has procreated.

/shudder
//I also learned he dated Fark's favorite MySpace Asian dwarf slut*

*IIRC


Tila Tequila.  Yeah, he dated her.  That's how legit he is.
 
2014-05-08 05:53:33 PM

room at the top: ModernPrimitive01: devilEther: STRYPERSWINE: Tommy Lee is a good drummer.  Billy Corgan is one of the worst guitarists/singers to ever record.  But he's a huge wrestling fan, so he has that going for him.  Seriously, he's huge.

I hear Tommy Lee is also huge. What if I told you Billy Corgan dedicated himself to learning Rush's 2112 note-for-note? Would your opinion of him improve?

I saw him mention that on one of Rush's documentaries. It's easy to make claims that you "used to know how to play it note for note", but until I see him actually do it I'm skeptical

Three clips should resolve your disdain for his playing...

aeroplane flies high  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPm6-0P32ks

starla live at filmore  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUcCZGDXM8

cherub rock live  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiwTTkSN3zA


of course, haters gonna hate


I'm with you.  The dude is a first-class douche, but to say his stuff- at least in the 1990s- wasn't great is disingenuous.  And they absolutely rocked live.
 
2014-05-08 06:14:17 PM
The greatest part of the Pam Anderson roast on Comedy Central was the plethora of Tommy Lee dick jokes.
 
2014-05-08 06:49:59 PM

chitownmike: he didn't put an actual band together until he had to tour for Gish


Assuming you're trolling, but just in case you're not, this isn't even remotely true. They were together for three years before Gish came out. Chamberlain was the last to join the band, in late 1988. Gish came out in mid-1991.
 
2014-05-08 07:38:22 PM
From wiki "Billy Corgan also performed nearly all of the guitar and bass parts on the record, which was confirmed by Vig in a later interview."

Yeah, real team player. That's not a band it's a vanity project
 
2014-05-08 07:54:04 PM

shoegaze99: chitownmike: he didn't put an actual band together until he had to tour for Gish

Assuming you're trolling, but just in case you're not, this isn't even remotely true. They were together for three years before Gish came out. Chamberlain was the last to join the band, in late 1988. Gish came out in mid-1991.


then there is this one re Siamese dream
Corgan's desire for musical perfection put further strain on the already-frayed relationships between the band members. Vig later recalled, "D'arcy would lock herself in the bathroom, James wouldn't say anything, or Billy would lock himself in the control room". Corgan often overdubbed Iha's and Wretzky's parts with his own playing.[11] Wretzky stated that Corgan only performed most of the guitar and bass parts because he could lay them down in recording easier and with far fewer takes.[12] Stories of the album's recording had circulated in the music press. Corgan admitted there was some truth to accusations of tyrannical behavior, though he felt the press misunderstood the situation.[13]

It's always been just about him
 
2014-05-08 08:23:07 PM

chitownmike: From wiki "Billy Corgan also performed nearly all of the guitar and bass parts on the record, which was confirmed by Vig in a later interview."

Yeah, real team player. That's not a band it's a vanity project


I think when somebody loans you $100k to make a record, you hire an overpriced studio and want to actually make the money back, you don't think twice about taping over your drug-addled bassist's shiatty track. I'm no Pumpkins fan any more, but no one brings this up about Trent Reznor or James Murphy.
 
2014-05-08 09:43:59 PM

chitownmike: It's always been just about him


That does not make your statement about the band only being put together for the Gish tour in any way, shape or form accurate.
 
2014-05-08 09:50:23 PM

shoegaze99: chitownmike: It's always been just about him

That does not make your statement about the band only being put together for the Gish tour in any way, shape or form accurate.


Weather you want to admit it or not, Iha and Darcy were only there for live dates and backing tracks
 
2014-05-08 09:51:50 PM
Is it really that difficult for you to just say, "Ooops, I guess I overstated things. I was wrong about that part"?
 
2014-05-09 01:38:14 AM

gilgigamesh: Not that I care, but I can grudgingly admit Tommy Lee is a good drummer.

He's no Jimmy Chamberlain, of course. So like I said at the outset: yeah. Don't care.


Jimmy's like... more than half of what made them good in the first place.
 
2014-05-09 01:40:52 AM

chitownmike: shoegaze99: chitownmike: It's always been just about him

That does not make your statement about the band only being put together for the Gish tour in any way, shape or form accurate.

Weather you want to admit it or not, Iha and Darcy were only there for live dates and backing tracks


But Jimmy Chamberlin killed it, and was a really important part of their sound or whatever.  Seriously, dude can drum.
 
2014-05-09 11:56:17 AM

Dafatone: chitownmike: shoegaze99: chitownmike: It's always been just about him

That does not make your statement about the band only being put together for the Gish tour in any way, shape or form accurate.

Weather you want to admit it or not, Iha and Darcy were only there for live dates and backing tracks

But Jimmy Chamberlin killed it, and was a really important part of their sound or whatever.  Seriously, dude can drum.


Without a doubt
 
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