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(Daily Dot)   Net neutrality activists have set up camp in Washington to demonstrate in front of the FCC. Wonder what the WiFi is like there?   (dailydot.com) divider line 50
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2014-05-08 05:22:16 PM
Heavily monitored, I'm sure
 
2014-05-08 05:25:32 PM

the_sidewinder: Heavily monitored, I'm sure


Done in one.
 
2014-05-08 05:36:40 PM
Compare and contrast this vs the story below it. It's only a matter of time before these protesters get maced and beaten to within an inch of their lives. All while armed thugs roam unchecked in Nevada.
 
2014-05-08 08:09:25 PM
What a joke and complete waste of time.
 
2014-05-08 08:09:50 PM

fusillade762: All while armed thugs roam unchecked in Nevada


I thought the feds pulled out?

/ducks
 
2014-05-08 08:13:46 PM
If it's anything like the DC metro then it utterly sucks.
 
2014-05-08 08:14:41 PM
FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 
2014-05-08 08:24:01 PM

Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Hope you're right!
 
2014-05-08 08:24:49 PM
throttled, probably
 
2014-05-08 08:26:47 PM

moothemagiccow: throttled, probably


Depends on which content they want to access...
 
2014-05-08 08:27:22 PM
We are the 99.999%

/SLA humor!
 
2014-05-08 08:36:15 PM

Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


That list probably has a trillion dollars in net worth between them.
Think about that for a moment.

Then think about the fact that you could easily be wrong.

And that should tell you just how badly we have our balls in a salad shooter over this cable monopoly mess.

I noted that no one in the hearing today bothered to mention that the traffic TimeCast complains about coming into their peer points (netflix) is traffic they've allegedly guaranteed to their customers by selling them internet connectivity services to begin with.

I've never seen a more disgusting case of wanting your cake and demanding you get to eat it too and not even having your legal opponents having the balls to call you on it. THAT is power.

/I hope you're right, but I'm pretty sure this deal was done a long time ago. What we're seeing is theater.
 
2014-05-08 08:38:47 PM

fusillade762: Compare and contrast this vs the story below it. It's only a matter of time before these protesters get maced and beaten to within an inch of their lives. All while armed thugs roam unchecked in Nevada.


So, protesters should carry sidearms in order to deter assault and battery from their own government?

/if only there were some group of people who had officially changed our national laws to make such an action legal....
 
2014-05-08 08:44:22 PM

ElLoco: fusillade762: All while armed thugs roam unchecked in Nevada

I thought the feds pulled out?


"Pull out? Doesn't sound manly to me."

obscure and old as dirt.
 
2014-05-08 08:45:07 PM

Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Yeah, I mean it's not like the guy Obama appointed to head the FCC used to work as a lobbyist for the cable industry or anything. Oh, wait...
 
2014-05-08 08:46:35 PM
Go be fat somewhere else.jpg
 
2014-05-08 09:11:03 PM
Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.
 
2014-05-08 09:15:56 PM

MurphyMurphy: We are the 99.999%

/SLA humor!


+1
 
2014-05-08 09:16:35 PM
Millions are dying, millions have already died. The suffering is endless. If there's one human rights question that should touch your heart in the 21st century, this is it.

And where do all the tears of every dead African come from? It's... net neutrality.
 
2014-05-08 09:21:06 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.


I'm surprised the stacks (Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook) don't just buy a couple dozen senators to guarantee favorable internet regulation. They're rich enough to do it with 24 hours of earnings and it'd save them plenty of headaches down the line.

I mean; Facebook paid 19 billion for Whatsapp, they can't drop a tenth of that on stopping Comcast from extorting them?
 
2014-05-08 09:21:06 PM
If the media would just ignore those farktards in Nevada they will get what they have coming sooner rather than later.
 
2014-05-08 09:24:23 PM
Unless they paid a $45,000 a plate bribe for an Obama payoff fundraiser, they might as well pack it up and go home. They have no voice.
 
2014-05-08 09:28:40 PM

MurphyMurphy: Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

That list probably has a trillion dollars in net worth between them.
Think about that for a moment.

Then think about the fact that you could easily be wrong.

And that should tell you just how badly we have our balls in a salad shooter over this cable monopoly mess.

I noted that no one in the hearing today bothered to mention that the traffic TimeCast complains about coming into their peer points (netflix) is traffic they've allegedly guaranteed to their customers by selling them internet connectivity services to begin with.

I've never seen a more disgusting case of wanting your cake and demanding you get to eat it too and not even having your legal opponents having the balls to call you on it. THAT is power.

/I hope you're right, but I'm pretty sure this deal was done a long time ago. What we're seeing is theater.


I paid extra to my ISP to guarantee lag-free access to videos of people getting their balls in a salad shooter, so I'm getting a kick out of...
 
2014-05-08 09:29:25 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.


You're assuming Google, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft and the rest haven't already got profit-making plans of their own in place.
 
2014-05-08 09:35:31 PM

cuzsis: fusillade762: Compare and contrast this vs the story below it. It's only a matter of time before these protesters get maced and beaten to within an inch of their lives. All while armed thugs roam unchecked in Nevada.

So, protesters should carry sidearms in order to deter assault and battery from their own government?

/if only there were some group of people who had officially changed our national laws to make such an action legal....


img.fark.net

Props to Sgt Otter for that one.
 
2014-05-08 09:54:12 PM

Gunther: The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.

I'm surprised the stacks (Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook) don't just buy a couple dozen senators to guarantee favorable internet regulation. They're rich enough to do it with 24 hours of earnings and it'd save them plenty of headaches down the line.

I mean; Facebook paid 19 billion for Whatsapp, they can't drop a tenth of that on stopping Comcast from extorting them?


It's not only money that buys congressmen. Cable companies spent a long time building relationships in Washington.

Another good argument for term limits I suppose.
 
2014-05-08 10:05:56 PM

StainedGlassRuby: Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Hope you're right!


Me too...
 
2014-05-08 10:06:25 PM
I hate to say it but protesting doesn't save anything, your politicians have already been purchased.
 
2014-05-08 10:14:00 PM

Gunther: The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.

I'm surprised the stacks (Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook) don't just buy a couple dozen senators to guarantee favorable internet regulation. They're rich enough to do it with 24 hours of earnings and it'd save them plenty of headaches down the line.

I mean; Facebook paid 19 billion for Whatsapp, they can't drop a tenth of that on stopping Comcast from extorting them?


I hate Comcast, but I'm not sure  I want Google, Apple and Facebook owning Congnress either.
 
2014-05-08 10:14:53 PM
Great!  More garbage in DC.  As if there isn't enough of it already.
 
2014-05-08 10:18:13 PM

Danger Avoid Death: The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.

You're assuming Google, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft and the rest haven't already got profit-making plans of their own in place.


Being they can afford the extra fees, wouldn't it benefit them as it will kill off competition?
 
2014-05-08 11:04:16 PM

Danger Avoid Death: The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.

You're assuming Google, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft and the rest haven't already got profit-making plans of their own in place.


The big tech companies can easily afford to pay for higher tier service. It's their startup competition that can't. This may cost them more in the short term but solidifies their place in the future in an industry notorious for evolving more quickly than large companies can adapt. They're probably not going to help us at all.
 
2014-05-08 11:11:56 PM

Gunther: The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.

I'm surprised the stacks (Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook) don't just buy a couple dozen senators to guarantee favorable internet regulation. They're rich enough to do it with 24 hours of earnings and it'd save them plenty of headaches down the line.

I mean; Facebook paid 19 billion for Whatsapp, they can't drop a tenth of that on stopping Comcast from extorting them?


This about internet. This is about entertainment. Since the days that Hearst assembled his castle in California there has been a syndicate that has controlled entertainment. Hollywood, TV, magazines, newspapers, whatever it is they have had a controlling interest.

They control what gets released when and how. They determine what we get to consume.

I have never understood this mentality but it has been there for decades. There's no huge conspiracy to control policy or anything outside of entertainment, but within entertainment they have had a solid grasp on production and distribution.

There has been more and more consolidation as they try to maneuver themselves into having a legitimate, public interest in controlling the internet.

They pretty much invented piracy by their tight control of release schedules. I remember when movies were released in theaters a year or more after their VHS release in the US. There was a very brisk underground trade in US VCRs and TVs in Europe because of this. People here in the US would send tapes overseas for huge markups, and then the guys in Europe (or wherever) would dupe them and sell them for the equivalent of $40 or $50. Today they still persist in different release dates in different markets, because fark you that's why.

The younger companies may have a huge amount of money, but the current cartel controlling things has had a controlling interest in Congressional say for a very, very long time.

I tend not to go for conspiracy theories but I've been in and around entertainment distribution long enough to understand the framework that it operates under. The guys at the top, they care only about control over their product. They have huge influence and always have had influence. Reagan is an example of their political footsoldiers, working with McCarthy to eliminate those who would not tow the line. You wanted to be independent in Hollywood? Your name got mentioned and you got blacklisted. For his efforts in consolidating their power Reagan became first a governor and then a president.

Now the consumer market is in chaos, and much of it is the blame of the cartel. They want to maintain the control they had thirty years ago, when Disney could put an animated movie into the vault for seven years and nobody could see it for that whole time. Disney isn't alone in this, that is just an example. They can't do that anymore. As both the movie and music industry has lamented, they gave out the masters with CDs and DVDs. Their distribution model of constant reselling the same product to the same people over and over to replace lost or damaged copies has been eroding since digital media went to the consumer market.

This merger between Comcast and Time Warner is the latest step. Net Neutrality is going away because the old guard are coming out of the shadows and actively seizing control of this distribution channel. They will succeed because it isn't just about money-- it is about loyalty and it is about economic power. While Apple may greatly outweigh Disney, for example, in current economic power, those people making decisions remember the decades of cultural influence the old guard cartel represents. Apple, Google, Facebook, Netflix... their newly made fortunes are basically lottery winnings as far as the policy makers are concerned. They grew up with the broadcast networks and the cable companies and the Hollywood studios, and they are who the policy makers trust.
 
2014-05-08 11:30:31 PM

Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Or how about the fact that GOP Congressmen are already arguing that the policy will allow conservative commentators to be censored.
 
2014-05-08 11:35:29 PM

Gunther: I'm surprised the stacks (Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook) don't just buy a couple dozen senators to guarantee favorable internet regulation. They're rich enough to do it with 24 hours of earnings and it'd save them plenty of headaches down the line.


Some have come out against it, but I wonder how much they're going to push it.

Google may one day try to make it's Google Fiber national -- that would flip them to the ISP side of things.

For content providers like Amazon and Apple, a surcharge to have access movie and music downloads/streaming could actually help keep start-ups offering similar services from entering the market place. So it actually protects them, and ultimately, any costs will be passed off to the consumer.
 
2014-05-08 11:38:04 PM

BolloxReader: They pretty much invented piracy by their tight control of release schedules. I remember when movies were released in theaters a year or more after their VHS release in the US. There was a very brisk underground trade in US VCRs and TVs in Europe because of this. People here in the US would send tapes overseas for huge markups, and then the guys in Europe (or wherever) would dupe them and sell them for the equivalent of $40 or $50.


That's actually a bargain considering early VHS movies were $80-$90 a pop.
 
2014-05-08 11:42:08 PM

fusillade762: cuzsis: fusillade762: Compare and contrast this vs the story below it. It's only a matter of time before these protesters get maced and beaten to within an inch of their lives. All while armed thugs roam unchecked in Nevada.

So, protesters should carry sidearms in order to deter assault and battery from their own government?

/if only there were some group of people who had officially changed our national laws to make such an action legal....

[img.fark.net image 750x543]

Props to Sgt Otter for that one.


soap, ballot, jury, ammo.  in that order.

This is the "soap" stage for this particular battle....
 
2014-05-08 11:47:55 PM

MurphyMurphy: We are the 99.999%

/SLA humor!


5 9s!!! 5 9s!!!
 
2014-05-08 11:52:46 PM

acohn: MurphyMurphy: We are the 99.999%

/SLA humor!

+1


My dark fiber circuit bounced for 1 second some time last week.  Can I get an RFO?
 
2014-05-08 11:55:24 PM

picturescrazy: Danger Avoid Death: The Irresponsible Captain: Google, Apple, or someone needs to get off their butts and put out some propaganda against the cable and phone companies before they win this one.

You're assuming Google, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft and the rest haven't already got profit-making plans of their own in place.

The big tech companies can easily afford to pay for higher tier service. It's their startup competition that can't. This may cost them more in the short term but solidifies their place in the future in an industry notorious for evolving more quickly than large companies can adapt. They're probably not going to help us at all.


Well, at least they wrote a strongly worded letter:


"According to recent news reports," they write, "the Commission intends to propose rules that would enable phone and cable Internet service providers to discriminate both technically and financially against Internet companies and to impose new tolls on them."

They added, "If these reports are correct, this represents a grave threat to the Internet."


The actual letter with all who signed

Hey! Fark didn't sign it!
 
2014-05-09 12:28:19 AM
Yeah, why call your elected representatives and refuse to vote for them unless they agree to your terms, when you can have a party with a bunch of other clowns.

Worked great for the Occupy movement, and the anti-war crowd before them.
 
2014-05-09 12:56:12 AM

Callous: acohn: MurphyMurphy: We are the 99.999%

/SLA humor!

+1

My dark fiber circuit bounced for 1 second some time last week.  Can I get an RFO?


I want to laugh, but since I have to write an official Incident Report for a 2 second hit on dark fibre, I also want to hate you.

/so instead, drink!
 
2014-05-09 01:54:45 AM

veryequiped: I hate to say it but protesting doesn't save anything, your politicians have already been purchased.


You know who protested some politicians that had been purchased and won? George Washington.

(It was a very high level of protest.)
 
2014-05-09 02:38:51 AM

Dwindle: Yeah, why call your elected representatives and refuse to vote for them unless they agree to your terms, when you can have a party with a bunch of other clowns.

Worked great for the Occupy movement, and the anti-war crowd before them.


Which anti-war crowd? Vietnam or Iraq?
 
2014-05-09 06:23:35 AM
That until the philosophy which holds one feed superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second-class netizens of any nation; That until the flavor of a man's porn is of no more significance than his monitor's size; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to ISP; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world netizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained and until the ignoble but unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Time-Warner, in Comcast, in ATT in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and goodwill; until that day, everywhere is war..
 
2014-05-09 06:41:31 AM

Fark like a Barsoomian: Millions are dying, millions have already died. The suffering is endless. If there's one human rights question that should touch your heart in the 21st century, this is it.

And where do all the tears of every dead African come from? It's... net neutrality.


On the plus side, if this passes, we won't ever hear about that endless suffering anymore.
 
2014-05-09 08:50:05 AM
Obama turning over Internet control to foreign countries anyway. We are screwed. I mean, UN is so awesome, can't wait to see an Internet run by a similar group.
 
2014-05-09 09:20:51 AM
The revolution will NOT be televised...
 
2014-05-09 12:43:54 PM

MurphyMurphy: Cymbal: FCC is not going to pass the proposal. I'll always take the collective power of the lobbyists from Amazon, Netflix, Google, and Microsoft over the cable companies' lobbyists. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

That list probably has a trillion dollars in net worth between them.
Think about that for a moment.

Then think about the fact that you could easily be wrong.

And that should tell you just how badly we have our balls in a salad shooter over this cable monopoly mess.

I noted that no one in the hearing today bothered to mention that the traffic TimeCast complains about coming into their peer points (netflix) is traffic they've allegedly guaranteed to their customers by selling them internet connectivity services to begin with.

I've never seen a more disgusting case of wanting your cake and demanding you get to eat it too and not even having your legal opponents having the balls to call you on it. THAT is power.

/I hope you're right, but I'm pretty sure this deal was done a long time ago. What we're seeing is theater.


BINGO!

The traffic over Comcast's network has already been paid for by Comcast's customers, Yet Comcast wants the right to charge both their customers AND content providers for the same traffic.

Imagine, if you will, if toll roads worked the way that Comcast and Time Warner want the internet to work. If it did, every time you used a toll road, not only would they charge you a toll, but they also send a bill to the manufacturer who built the car. If a particular manufacturer refused to pay, the owners of the toll road would enforce a lower speed limit on all cars made by that brand, or would outright refuse entry. Oh, and the driver would still have to pay the toll, even if they were forbidden from using the road.
 
2014-05-09 02:03:55 PM

Bob Robert: Libertarians are trying to claim this as their protest


What the hell? They are aware that the protesters want government regulation of a market, right?

Obviously in this case the regulation is 100% justified and needed, but they don't think there's any such thing. How the heck did they rationalize that to themselves?
 
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