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(NBC News)   FedEx finally decides that size DOES matter   (nbcnews.com) divider line 29
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2014-05-08 09:38:47 AM  
The shift comes as FedEx failed to meet its quarterly profits and cut its forecast due to rising fuel costs.

newsroom.aaa.com
Find something else to blame.
 
2014-05-08 11:00:57 AM  
Is that first sentence missing an extra "h"?
 
2014-05-08 11:05:24 AM  
Freight companies have been looking at this ever since jets have been carrying cargo.  FedEx's jets are typically full before their weight limit is reached, so space is more valuable than weight in their case.

A brave move, since every shipper on the planet is about to try gaming the system.
 
2014-05-08 11:08:47 AM  

stpauler: The shift comes as FedEx failed to meet its quarterly profits and cut its forecast due to rising fuel costs.

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Find something else to blame.


They are probably referring to jet fuel.  FedEx flies all packages to a hub in Tennessee, then flies them back out the same night.  That's a lot of jets.
 
2014-05-08 11:09:10 AM  
In the FIRST sentence he claims you don't pay for shipping. What a retard.
 
2014-05-08 11:12:45 AM  
If they're gonna charge based on package size, I'm gonna be bankrupt very soon
 
2014-05-08 11:24:27 AM  

ArkAngel: If they're gonna charge based on package size, I'm gonna be bankrupt very soon


Use UPS for low density packages and FedEx for high density ones.  With UPS you'll save on the weight and with FedEx you will save on the volume.
 
2014-05-08 11:26:05 AM  
Maybe this will get retailers to stop with some of the ridiculous packaging they use.
 
2014-05-08 11:35:09 AM  
UPS has been doing this for years. They call it "Dimensional weight". Basically they have an idea of what an average volume weighs (iirc pounds per cubic foot). When I used to ship stuff, you entered the weight plus product dimensions. Light stuff was billed by dim weight, heavy stuff by actual weight, whichever one cost the most.

Marcus Aurelius: stpauler: The shift comes as FedEx failed to meet its quarterly profits and cut its forecast due to rising fuel costs.

[newsroom.aaa.com image 850x590]
Find something else to blame.

They are probably referring to jet fuel.  FedEx flies all packages to a hub in Tennessee, then flies them back out the same night.  That's a lot of jets.


No, the article is specifically about FedEx Ground.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-08 11:35:53 AM  
For instance, Amazon.com could kick certain items out of its Prime shipping service

They already do. That small thing is an add on. That big thing may take an extra 1-2 days to ship.
 
2014-05-08 11:44:38 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: ArkAngel: If they're gonna charge based on package size, I'm gonna be bankrupt very soon

Use UPS for low density packages and FedEx for high density ones.  With UPS you'll save on the weight and with FedEx you will save on the volume.


I think he was being self aggrandizing.
 
2014-05-08 11:56:54 AM  

H31N0US: Marcus Aurelius: ArkAngel: If they're gonna charge based on package size, I'm gonna be bankrupt very soon

Use UPS for low density packages and FedEx for high density ones.  With UPS you'll save on the weight and with FedEx you will save on the volume.

I think he was being self aggrandizing.


How would you go about testing the density of your package? Seems painful.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-08 11:59:36 AM  
How would you go about testing the density of your package?

Dip it in water and see if it floats.
 
2014-05-08 12:06:34 PM  

Dinodork: No, the article is specifically about FedEx Ground.


Not all FedEx Ground stays on the ground.
 
2014-05-08 12:07:26 PM  

H31N0US: Marcus Aurelius: ArkAngel: If they're gonna charge based on package size, I'm gonna be bankrupt very soon

Use UPS for low density packages and FedEx for high density ones.  With UPS you'll save on the weight and with FedEx you will save on the volume.

I think he was being self aggrandizing.


I thought he was shipping packing peanuts.
 
2014-05-08 12:21:34 PM  
Wait, they didn't do that already?  Maybe I'm used to Purolator and Canada Post but we've had to deal with "cubing" (stretching out the dimensions of your package into a cube and then calculating what an average package of that cubed size should cost) for years.
 
2014-05-08 12:26:29 PM  
The developer of the software that calculates volume weight freight prices says that people are spoiled by cheap or free shipping rates.

Bend over, serfs.
 
2014-05-08 12:27:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dinodork: No, the article is specifically about FedEx Ground.

Not all FedEx Ground stays on the ground.


And sometimes not all FedEx freight is used for burning up busses full of high schoolers.
 
2014-05-08 01:02:39 PM  

ZAZ: How would you go about testing the density of your package?

Dip it in water and see if it floats.


And if it doesn't, it's a witch?

/why am I shipping this duck?
 
2014-05-08 01:03:30 PM  
Lies!
 
2014-05-08 01:40:12 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:  FedEx flies all packages to a hub in Tennessee, then flies them back out the same night.  That's a lot of jets.

Nope. Only FedEx Express is flown. Everything else travels by truck, with the ratio being about 40:60 ground:air.
 
2014-05-08 02:19:38 PM  

Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius:  FedEx flies all packages to a hub in Tennessee, then flies them back out the same night.  That's a lot of jets.

Nope. Only FedEx Express is flown. Everything else travels by truck, with the ratio being about 40:60 ground:air.


Indeed. That's one of the reasons we avoided using FedEx when possible. They are totally unintegrated between divisions. Ground is different from express which is different from home delivery which is different from custom critical which is different from freight. It's a total mess in a shipping department, we had a separate machine for express and ground. UPS did it all from a single console.

This was all happening right when Airborne Express was bought up by DHL, fun times.
 
2014-05-08 02:33:17 PM  

Dinodork: Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius:  FedEx flies all packages to a hub in Tennessee, then flies them back out the same night.  That's a lot of jets.

Nope. Only FedEx Express is flown. Everything else travels by truck, with the ratio being about 40:60 ground:air.

Indeed. That's one of the reasons we avoided using FedEx when possible. They are totally unintegrated between divisions. Ground is different from express which is different from home delivery which is different from custom critical which is different from freight. It's a total mess in a shipping department, we had a separate machine for express and ground. UPS did it all from a single console.

This was all happening right when Airborne Express was bought up by DHL, fun times.


UPS ships about the same percentages ground:air. They just have a better website and user interface. I ship a lot to customers here in the SF Bay Area, where for the past two years I have used FedEx Ground exclusively. It all gets there overnight, too...100% reliable. I'm confident UPS is just as reliable, but when we decided to consolidate to one delivery service we came down on FedEx's side (in spite of their shiatty website).
 
2014-05-08 02:33:22 PM  
I don't see why this is asinine.  The toilet paper example is a god one.  It may not weigh much, but it takes up a farkton of cargo space compared to a wristwatch.  Add to that Amazon (and others) using ridiculous sized boxes for small items and I can see why shippers are FedUp burning jet fuel and diesel they don't really have to.   I mean Amazon has basically been gaming the system in the other direction, taking advantage of the weight-only pricing that allows them to only stock a few often over-sized sized boxes in their distribution centers.

Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't all moved t some sort of weight & sized based pricing algorithm.
 
2014-05-08 02:41:07 PM  

Dinodork: Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius:  FedEx flies all packages to a hub in Tennessee, then flies them back out the same night.  That's a lot of jets.

Nope. Only FedEx Express is flown. Everything else travels by truck, with the ratio being about 40:60 ground:air.

Indeed. That's one of the reasons we avoided using FedEx when possible. They are totally unintegrated between divisions. Ground is different from express which is different from home delivery which is different from custom critical which is different from freight. It's a total mess in a shipping department, we had a separate machine for express and ground. UPS did it all from a single console.

This was all happening right when Airborne Express was bought up by DHL, fun times.


Try being a package receiver!  When I order something, I have to determine how they will ship it because the USPS does not do home delivery, so my address has to have the PO box on it - if it's coming any other method, they want the street address.

However, based on my experience with the shippers, I prefer them in this order:

UPS - they never miss, the driver is a friendly chap to boot.  BEST
FedEx Express - the overnight service is fine, there's a gal who drives route - we don't use ourselves, too $$$
USPS - yea, I have to pick up at post office but for shipping, they are the cheapest by far for an end user.
(Add any shipper here)
FedEx GROUND - I have had three shipments handled by them.  Two of the three were screwed up/delayed - they run out of time during day, decide not to drive up our road, and then file it as "addressee not home/business closed" - once that happened when both my wife an I were home and I could see the front walkway he would have used.  I pay extra to have UPS, several shippers require me to include as special instructions.

/live in sticks
//use a fair bit of
///mail order
 
2014-05-08 02:43:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Freight companies have been looking at this ever since jets have been carrying cargo.  FedEx's jets are typically full before their weight limit is reached, so space is more valuable than weight in their case.

A brave move, since every shipper on the planet is about to try gaming the system.


It is exactly how LTL (less than truckload) and partial freight shipments work on big-rigs. Freight is assigned a "class" directly based on its density which then affects the shipping cost.
i.e., a pallet of steel coils is a different class than the same sized pallet of styrofoam peanuts and would cost a different amount to ship. The coils would be really expensive the styrofoam peanuts would be next to nothing. FedEx is using that idea writ small.
 
2014-05-08 02:56:14 PM  
FedEx has already been doing this for quite some time.... sounds like a bunch of bullshiat words to use as an excuse to jack up rates in general.
 
2014-05-08 04:17:48 PM  
I own a business that ships about 12,000 items annually.  The each item is unique in size and weight.  Both UPS and FedEx (ground services) already bill by the higher of the dimensional weight or actual weight FOR PACKAGES OVER 3 CUBIC FEET.  For packages under 3 cubic feet, they only bill based of actual weight.  I believe the article says that FedEx will no longer have the exemption for packages under 3 cubic feet.  We carry about 20 different sizes of boxes, with quite a few at 2.90 cubic feet.  Its our little way of gaming the system.  If you have enough volume, they will give you a dimensional weight exemption, or a more favorable calculation of dimensional weight.

/Plug  Google  "Ampersand Market" if you want to buy something from us.
// Dont go to our website, it's an embarassment
/// we only sell on ebay and Amazon.  They get way more traffic than we could generate to our own website
 
2014-05-09 09:23:32 AM  
My anecdotal data up to this point.
When shipping various board games around the US, comparisons were falling like this: Less than 4 lbs, USPS was cheapest. 4lbs and over, FedEx was cheaper than UPS EVERY time.  Part of that is having a non-commercial FedEx account online, which knocks some $ off, but you'd need that anyway to print shipping labels online.  They never asked for dimensions on these labels either.

Heaviest was probably 5lbs.
 
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