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2014-05-08 10:09:32 AM
17 votes:
Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..
2014-05-08 10:10:13 AM
15 votes:

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.


Why would anyone bother to come here legally then? Just jump the fence, get free citizenship, free stuff.

Why bother to have immigration laws at all?
2014-05-08 10:22:06 AM
10 votes:

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.


So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?
2014-05-08 10:14:19 AM
8 votes:

violentsalvation: send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because.


They arent sending them home 'just because', they get send home because they came illegally.

If someone broke in to your house, can they be prohibited from being removed by asserting that you want them out of your house 'just because' ?  No.  It is because they have no permission to be there.
2014-05-08 02:32:37 AM
8 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.
2014-05-08 10:23:36 AM
7 votes:

pueblonative: You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?


So I should just be able to go to Mexico and become a Mexican citizen if I want?  Of Germany, or Great Britain?

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: Yes, how dare they make licenses for non-citizens visually distinct from licenses for citizens and legal residents.


This is the part of the article I can't understand.  People are afraid the marking on the license will be a 'Scarlet Letter' for the person carrying it?  It should.  They are doing something illegal.  The thing I don't understand is how these people can walk around with their giant balls.  They basically go into a government building, admit that they are there illegally and ask for a driver's license?  Shouldn't they get deported as soon as they walk in the building?
2014-05-08 10:19:31 AM
7 votes:
Liberals want amnesty for Illegal Immigrants to sign them up as democrat voters. Film at 11.
2014-05-08 10:10:30 AM
7 votes:
TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
(favorite: 8237306-supports free speech zones)


Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

ROTFLMAO

Breaking and entering = Rewards!
Desire to exercise your right to free speech? = Get in the 'free speech cage" where nobody can hear you!

liberal logic.
2014-05-08 10:55:49 AM
6 votes:

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: I'm talking about things like social security and medicare, for people who actually were born here and paid the taxes for it their whole lives. Is that so hard to understand? And, by the way I work for a living and don't lay claim to ANY handouts, I'm just tired of paying for people who don't and shouldn't even be in the farking country. Got it?

Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.


Are you serious?

Most work under the table, pay no taxes. Many receive benefits, free of charge. Much of the cash they make is sent back to Mexico. Know how much money it costs for an illegal to have a kid at a hospital? Oh ya, hospital cannot even ask if they are a citizen or report them at all.

Are people really this ignorant?
2014-05-08 10:52:12 AM
6 votes:

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?


Overstaying a visa might be a misdemeanor, but forging documents so you can steal someone else's identity & work here, skipping out on paying taxes, leeching off public services etc add up to more than just one misdemeanor.

What is Mexico's penalty for skipping over the border?  What will the Canadians do if you try to take a job from a Canadian?  -> hint: it isn't nice..

Skipping out on paying taxes, wrong. They pay taxes.

Leeching public services? What services do they use? Do you think they apply for food stamps and social security?

Another kid of immigrants who just showed up wants to make it harder for a new generation, typical of the conservative "I got mine" mentality


Not at all - My wife went through the process *legally*, it took many years, and cost thousands of dollars - and she is highly educated and an asset to this country.

As for leeching public services - one local hospital closed their maternity ward because the illegals were bankrupting the hospital.

http://womensenews.org/story/medicine/110120/hospital-maternity-ward s- are-closing-across-us#.U2uZz1e9Z2w
2014-05-08 10:44:40 AM
6 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.


Illegal immigration is in fact a crime. A nonviolent, low level crime, but most definitely a crime. It's a crime in every major nation that requires passports and visas. That's why all of these countries arrest you if you run through a customs checkpoint.u

It's a non-violent crime but it most definitely has consequences for any developed country if they ignore it.

Also pretending that it's not illegal, and referring to them as "immigrants" just makes you look like a douchebag in the eyes of many. An immigrant is someone who arrived here with a passport and visa.
2014-05-08 10:20:47 AM
6 votes:
Why don't we just do away with the concept of citizenship altogether and just open our borders to anyone and everyone to come here and do as they please? Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration? It isn't a left vs right issue and never has been.
2014-05-08 10:11:18 AM
6 votes:

violentsalvation: I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books.


Well, they deserve to live in their home country, until they get their visitation papers approved.
2014-05-08 09:05:31 AM
5 votes:
While we're at it can we require all employees of gov't agencies in public service jobs be able to speak engrish?
2014-05-08 02:42:08 PM
4 votes:

Bob Robert: LZeitgeist: (CirizenKaneApplause.gif)

I already showed why his argument was wrong, you all can stop patting yourselves on the back now.


No you didn't. You just simply contradicted what I said without offering any crediable counter arugment, points, or citations. you then go on to  name call others.

The fact is there have been immigration laws for over a hundred years.  The fact is there are crediable reports out thier that show illegal immigartion causes big problems (crime, health and drain on social services).


You call anyone who wants to tighten up a broken immigration system a racist.

Honenslty,  I'll say thiis again  you don't know what you're talking about and you're also being an asshole about it.
2014-05-08 12:08:03 PM
4 votes:

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Boring but true.

I don't understand liberals utter failure to recognize why unchecked immagration is a bad idea .

America had over a century of unchecked immigration, it turned into the most powerful and richest country in the world, your white boy cries wolf is noted and laughed at


No we did not have unchecked immagration. You do not know what your are talking about.

And because I don't want the country overrun with  diseasae ridden, criminal welfare cases you call me a racist?


Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you're an ass.
2014-05-08 11:34:28 AM
4 votes:

Johhny Wad: Thunderpipes: So liberals want to completely abolish all immigration laws.

This will be fun.

It worked so well when Regan did  it.....

People who enter a country illegally should not be granted citizenship.  We need to secure the boarders and enforce current immagration law before we even begin to discuss an amenesty program.


Never happen. Illegals actually have more rights here than we do now. Democrats need their votes. eventually, amnesty will happen, conservatives will never win another national election, and the country is pretty much done.

Because you know next on the list will be affirmative action programs that penalize whites further. Quotas in government. Mass discrimination, and an absolute explosion in welfare and crime, like we are not bad enough as it is.

17 trillion in debt? We will shoot for 100 trillion in debt withing the next 50 years. Do liberals understand math enough to compute interest?
2014-05-08 11:06:24 AM
4 votes:

doubled99: I can't renew my own license until I pay for an outstanding ticket and get an emissions inspection. In other words, I have to be completely legal before I get one. if they don't have to be legal, why do I?


And this is the real problem with the whole illegal immigrant issue.  People who aren't even supposed to be in the country are getting a free pass to a LOT of stuff that the citizens have to pay for.  Why?  I'm still trying to figure that out.
2014-05-08 11:03:32 AM
4 votes:
Look, I don't really have any problem with illegal aliens. Especially if they're working, great, I won't turn you in.
But letting people who's current status is illegal get a license is ridiculous.
I can't renew my own license until I pay for an outstanding ticket and get an emissions inspection. In other words, I have to be completely legal before I get one. if they don't have to be legal, why do I?
2014-05-08 11:02:42 AM
4 votes:
Because when Reagan did it, it worked out perfectly and solved the problem...heeeey...wait a minute.
2014-05-08 10:57:07 AM
4 votes:
Let's look at the hypocrisy of Mexico's rules regarding illegal immigration.  Here's what's on their books:
 Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

/But hey, breaking US immigration laws is A-OK.  You know, since they have so much money and stuff.  They need to share with us.
//Don't try that shiat here!  We'll bust your sorry ass.
2014-05-08 10:44:11 AM
4 votes:

Khellendros: add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants


I don't suppose the reason nobody wants those jobs is that businesses have a large pool of cheap labor available to exploit.
2014-05-08 10:44:00 AM
4 votes:
NO, No, and no...  If they arrived in the US illegally then they're criminals, and should be prosecuted as criminals. Most countries would just throw you in jail.  Not the US - no - here you'll get rewarded.  There are plenty of people following the immigration rules, and it isn't like the US doesn't hire people in other countries and bring them to the US to work and live.  What does happen is that the illegal immigrants arrive in the US, work and get paid under the counter, allowing businesses to avoid paying the taxes or a fair wage, and the immigrants rarely become anything more than common serfs.  We're all for cheap labor.

Follow the money.
2014-05-08 10:41:00 AM
4 votes:

Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?



Overstaying a visa might be a misdemeanor, but forging documents so you can steal someone else's identity & work here, skipping out on paying taxes, leeching off public services etc add up to more than just one misdemeanor.

What is Mexico's penalty for skipping over the border?  What will the Canadians do if you try to take a job from a Canadian?  -> hint: it isn't nice..
2014-05-08 10:19:47 AM
4 votes:

pueblonative: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?


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2014-05-08 10:09:10 AM
4 votes:

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.


so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?
2014-05-08 03:28:58 PM
3 votes:

Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.


Its so cute how you think they don't get things like food stamps, cause economic damage through identity theft, lower market wages, game yheir W2 to receive max tax credits, etc.
2014-05-08 11:44:14 AM
3 votes:

Joe USer: badaboom: Joe USer: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.

I'm sure someone who is in the country illegally will TOTALLY buy and keep valid insurance.

So, 100% of them won't. Absolutely none, knowing that they're going to be arrested if they don't have it. ZERO. None, zilch, null, etc.



lol - now we're back with the whole "it's not a "crime" thing"..  in most states, no insurance is a ticket..  no plates is a ride in a police car..  or are you proposing a "double standard" for those who have violated our borders?
2014-05-08 11:36:55 AM
3 votes:

Voiceofreason01: unknownshooter:Let's see how this works - you're losing money on 40 million uninsured people, and then you increase that loss by 20%

Nah - that won't hurt a bit!

and your solution is....what? Round up and kick out all the illegal immigrants(at enormous cost) to solve 20% of a problem that has it's root cause somewhere else?


Yes.  Deny them housing, healthcare, driver's licenses & offer them nothing except a bus ticket out of the country.

The only reason "getting tough" never worked, is because we never even tried to "get tough" - Landlords can be required to get a real I.D. from the people they're renting to.  Law Enforcement can pretty easily detain those they encounter - and checking to see if there are two people using the same social-security number at the same time for an employer is kinda simple.  It's a mess at first, but it gets easier as the herd of criminals gets smaller and smaller.

No bank accounts, no mortgages, no jobs, no licenses, no rentals - and a trip to the ER results in a patch-job and a trip home.
2014-05-08 11:29:48 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: So liberals want to completely abolish all immigration laws.

This will be fun.


It worked so well when Regan did  it.....

People who enter a country illegally should not be granted citizenship.  We need to secure the boarders and enforce current immagration law before we even begin to discuss an amenesty program.
2014-05-08 11:28:25 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Lol - math much?

Let's see how this works - you're losing money on 40 million uninsured people, and then you increase that loss by 20%

Nah - that won't hurt a bit!

Increase what loss? People have access to cheap insurance now, the old system is gone.


I'm certain all eleven million "undocumented" people have signed up for Obamacare and are paying their fair share of the bills..  <not>
2014-05-08 11:27:38 AM
3 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Thunderpipes: No, that is a stupid lie, you know it.

nope there are at least a few posters here who have suggested shooting at immigrants and you yourself are a well known gun nut who's just looking for an excuse to murder someone.


Has nothing to do with color, which, by the way, most are white. But people breaking the law? Ya, arm the border. Without border security, nothign else matters.
2014-05-08 11:12:15 AM
3 votes:
So liberals want to completely abolish all immigration laws.

This will be fun.
2014-05-08 11:09:34 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: They are afraid of using any services for fear of being found and deported, whether right or wrong this is their fear. They stay under the radar.


You mean the same ones who are driving without licenses, even though is by FAR the most common way to come in contact with law enforcement.

Bob Robert: I didn't say everyone


Bob Robert: Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants.


You are making a ridiculous assumption.
2014-05-08 11:09:16 AM
3 votes:
Turn the border in to a target range.
Problem solved.
2014-05-08 11:08:55 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: DrewCurtisJr: Bob Robert: Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.

Right no benefits, who do you think pays when they go to the hospital?

They are afraid to go to the hospital for fear of being found and deported


DrewCurtisJr: Bob Robert: Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants.

You may want to think about that a little bit.

Think about what? Your ancestors just showed up at the door and were let in. They showed up at the door. There is no difference except back then there weren't racist quotas and requirements that only make middle and upper class people get in.


Wrong.

Hospitals are bound by law to not request citizenship, they cannot legally report anyone. Illegals get free child birth. Quite expensive.
2014-05-08 11:03:45 AM
3 votes:

Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.


Correct; they don't pay federal income tax (but we want the Ritchie's to)... they don't pay FICA (social security) but they collect disability; they have neither car insurance nor health Ins, so you pay more in hit and runs and in Emerg. Room costs; and, wait what, they get driver's licenses, but to vote, it costs too much so it is an illegal poll tax? Libtards going full DERP today!
2014-05-08 11:02:02 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Not at all - My wife went through the process *legally*, it took many years, and cost thousands of dollars - and she is highly educated and an asset to this country.

As for leeching public services - one local hospital closed their maternity ward because the illegals were bankrupting the hospital.

http://womensenews.org/story/medicine/110120/hospital-maternity-ward s- are-closing-across-us#.U2uZz1e9Z2w


Hospitals had financial problems due to the uninsured and the insured who had their policies dropped once they became too expensive, leaving the hospitals with no one to pay. You do not understand the situation and thus are typical of all conservatives whose simple minds love to blame the one scapegoat.


Lol, no, not a conservative at all - uninsured pregnant women (even if they're not here legally) get "free" healthcare..

eventually, the "free" kills the hospital, or they stop offering maternity services entirely..  seen it with my own eyes..  did my nursing OB clinicals at the maternity ward down the street, - that's now closed..

Once the crotch-fruit is out, it's "American", an anchor baby & we can't deport momma, becuz it's not "fair" to break up families...
2014-05-08 10:59:07 AM
3 votes:
Those who want to post opinions that defend the United States and the rule of law will be shouted down so save your breath.
2014-05-08 10:58:46 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: They are afraid to go to the hospital for fear of being found and deported


Nonsense. Deported by who?

Bob Robert: Think about what? Your ancestors just showed up at the door and were let in. They showed up at the door. There is no difference except back then there weren't racist quotas and requirements that only make middle and upper class people get in.


You think everyone's ancestors came here voluntarily huh? And you may want to look up the Chinese exclusion act.
2014-05-08 10:53:53 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants.


You may want to think about that a little bit.
2014-05-08 10:53:49 AM
3 votes:
said it before and will do so again. we should just simplify the process of becoming a citizen. Whatever constraints are placed on an American to become a citizen in your home country are the exact same as we place on you. eg: if I move to Thailand and wish to stay, I need to open a bank acct with a minimum of $10,000 USD and cannot own any property there. ergo, somebody from Thailand that wants to move here must open a bank acct in same amount and can never own property here.
2014-05-08 10:52:11 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.


Right no benefits, who do you think pays when they go to the hospital?
2014-05-08 10:50:17 AM
3 votes:

Joe USer: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.


I'm sure someone who is in the country illegally will TOTALLY buy and keep valid insurance.
2014-05-08 10:49:07 AM
3 votes:
Screw it, libs. If our laws don't matter and we just let in all the Mexicans that want to come in, then how about if the U.S. just goes ahead and annexes Mexico? That's right. Take over their country, develop the hell out of every resort community, and pillage all of their resources...ESPECIALLY oil?
2014-05-08 10:45:06 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: I'm talking about things like social security and medicare, for people who actually were born here and paid the taxes for it their whole lives. Is that so hard to understand? And, by the way I work for a living and don't lay claim to ANY handouts, I'm just tired of paying for people who don't and shouldn't even be in the farking country. Got it?

Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.


actually no..  they typically claim lots of dependents so there is no withholding, and there's a person behind all of those stolen identities that gets to explain themselves & deal with six kinds of hell (sometimes for years on end).
2014-05-08 10:44:54 AM
3 votes:

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: You know what? They don't. That's the problem. They're here ILLEGALLY.

You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.


My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.
2014-05-08 10:43:17 AM
3 votes:

qorkfiend: Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?


Having been hit twice by the no habla english no insurance types no it doesn't but the big question is does it keep these undocumented democrats from voting?


I am for a conditional amnesty -guest worker /visa program that would but them at the very back of the line for any chance citizenship with the normal conditions for visa holders.  Of course those convicted of crimes get shipped back.




Child molester deported seven times, charged with DUI in Pa.

Plus increase border security to include armed troops with authority to shot back.




Mexican troops Invade US, Shoots Tucson Man

Read more at http://joeforamerica.com/2014/05/mexican-army-invades-us-shoots-tucson -man/#ZWi6d0YgLB4D6Fxk.99

Armed Mexicans Attack Unarmed National Guard Troops on US Soil
2014-05-08 10:32:01 AM
3 votes:
FunkyBlue:

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.

Yeah - I know all about how long and expensive the process is to come here legally, the wife did it (from Canada) - it took years and cost thousands of dollars.

You wanna make it cheaper and easier to sneak in?

How about, " GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass? "
2014-05-08 10:26:39 AM
3 votes:

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: pueblonative: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?

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Well legally and under the current system, Yes. Yes he does.
2014-05-08 10:16:08 AM
3 votes:
Yes, how dare they make licenses for non-citizens visually distinct from licenses for citizens and legal residents.

/non-issue
//move the fark on
2014-05-08 01:01:29 AM
3 votes:
Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.
2014-05-08 01:55:09 PM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Name one country that allows free, unchecked immagration that you would like the US to model after. Please.

Your argument proves my point, none of these people coming here fit this disqualification:

Danger Mouse: No crimenals, crazies, or prostitues were allowed in. There were medical exams and an attempt to identify and document who the people were. to the best of our abilities.

They are just too poor and desperate to wait in line and hope to get papers after a decade or more

Danger Mouse: We also didn't provide free health care, EBT cards, homes, phones etc.

Illegals get ebt homes and phones? What the fark am I reading?

Danger Mouse: The world and our society has significantly changed since the turn of the 19 centuary, no? Why would you not want to have background checks and medical exams for people entering the country?

Exactly this is the FARK YOU I GOT MINE defense

Danger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

You proved my point, immigration was easy as pie until the racists took over government and restricted it. You got yours, so fark the rest.


The #1 rule of immigration is that it supposed to be benfecial for the country accepting the immigrant NOT beneficial for the immigrant. It is NOT fark you I got mine nor is it racist. We can not be the world's repository for anyone and everyone. The citizens of this country have every right to determine who gets to be in the club. And there are plenty of legitimate reasons to limit membership. In fact, putting a throttle on immigration allows us to absorb people and better serve them when they arrive. Annual limits make sense. It prevents the system from being overloaded. It allows the county to determine who or what skills are necessary at any given time. It keeps the diveristy as well. If we can only absorb 500,000 people in a given year for example why is it fair that all 500,000 come from one nation? We the citizens should be in compelte control of who comes here (and why) and who does NOT get to come here (and why). You are a fool if you think this is all race based.
2014-05-08 12:40:00 PM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: No we did not have unchecked immagration. You do not know what your are talking about.

And because I don't want the country overrun with diseasae ridden, criminal welfare cases you call me a racist?


Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you're an ass.

What requirements were there for people showing up in America like at Ellis Island? Citations please


No crimenals, crazies,  or prostitues were allowed in. There were medical exams and an attempt to identify and document who the people were. to the best of our abilities.

We also were in a period of unprecedented growth and were litterally giving away land in the west. Why aren't we still giving away land?  We also didn't provide free health care, EBT cards, homes, phones etc. People were required to  make it on thier own. Not so much now, eh?

The world and our society  has significantly changed since the turn of the 19 centuary, no?  Why would you not want to have background checks and medical exams for people entering the country?

Name one country that allows free, unchecked immagration that you would like the US to model after. Please.

Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you  lazy twit.

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws
2014-05-08 11:53:48 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: America had over a century of unchecked immigration, it turned into the most powerful and richest country in the world, your white boy cries wolf is noted and laughed at


Bob Robert: and reminding me about the plight of some Asians who came here long ago as if that is relevant at all today.


So long ago is only relevant when you are trying to make your point, noted and laughed at.
2014-05-08 11:53:28 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: You mean the Democrats?

Funny you think the only right that should not be regulated at all is voting, so you can get illegals and dead people to elect Democrats.

hippiecrit.

Liberals are nothing more than bigots, racists, and trolls. News at 11:00.


AAAAnnd the derp is turned up to 10 when you lost the argument


I won the argument, I always do.

Libs just can't do anything but cry, like you just did.

You are like fat spoiled children, just need a good smack in the mouth.
2014-05-08 11:49:34 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Democrats need their votes.

boring repeating troll is boring

From the party that does everything to limit voting rights of citizens today, this is just more white boy cries wolf.


You mean the Democrats?

Funny you think the only right that should not be regulated at all is voting, so you can get illegals and dead people to elect Democrats.

hippiecrit.

Liberals are nothing more than bigots, racists, and trolls. News at 11:00.
2014-05-08 11:47:53 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Johhny Wad: Thunderpipes: So liberals want to completely abolish all immigration laws.

This will be fun.

It worked so well when Regan did  it.....

People who enter a country illegally should not be granted citizenship.  We need to secure the boarders and enforce current immagration law before we even begin to discuss an amenesty program.

Never happen. Illegals actually have more rights here than we do now. Democrats need their votes. eventually, amnesty will happen, conservatives will never win another national election, and the country is pretty much done.

Because you know next on the list will be affirmative action programs that penalize whites further. Quotas in government. Mass discrimination, and an absolute explosion in welfare and crime, like we are not bad enough as it is.

17 trillion in debt? We will shoot for 100 trillion in debt withing the next 50 years. Do liberals understand math enough to compute interest?


Sadly you are correct. It's like they are hell bent on burning this farker to the ground. They will bankrupt the country, anarchy will ensue. ..but then a dictator will come in to power and set liberalism back a few hundred years.
2014-05-08 11:44:35 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: and reminding me about the plight of some Asians who came here long ago as if that is relevant at all today. Stop trolling.


This is evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

Bob Robert: There is no difference except back then there weren't racist quotas and requirements that only make middle and upper class people get in.


And like when you make the ridiculous claim that illegal immigrants don't use hospitals.
2014-05-08 11:29:05 AM
2 votes:

Transubstantive: You Are All Sheep: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

If you want to come from a country like Mexico, the waiting list is current in the 15-25 year range. So yes, it is that hard. Don't have opinions on things you don't know about.


And it is not our problem. Maybe if they fixed their craphole of a country, they wouldn't need to infest ours.
2014-05-08 11:16:00 AM
2 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Cold_Sassy: qorkfiend: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.

Why do you think that would prevent them from driving? What resources does saying "Ok, you're allowed to drive" drain?

It doesn't.  So what's the difference, except for another crapload of our tax dollars are going toward a 'license' for illegal aliens?  I object to that.

If they don't have a license, they CAN'T get insurance.  At least if they can get licenses, SOME of them will buy insurance.  And having an ID that illegals can BUY at the DMV won't drain a "crapload of our tax dollars".  It's no different than an ID card, or an "under 21" license.


How do you get a license with no social security number? I'm sure they're at a permanent and legal address, too.  And they'll all pay for insurance becase they don't need to eat and stuff.  On their income, that'll be the first thing that gets skipped.
2014-05-08 11:15:55 AM
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Thunderpipes: So liberals want to completely abolish all immigration laws.

This will be fun.

So 'servatives want to declare open season on everyone with a swarthy complexion.

This will be fun


No, that is a stupid lie, you know it.

But you really do want to abolish all immigration law. This is a fact. Free votes, cause all of them will be welfare suckers and vote for free stuff.
2014-05-08 11:12:35 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Lol, no, not a conservative at all - uninsured pregnant women (even if they're not here legally) get "free" healthcare..

eventually, the "free" kills the hospital, or they stop offering maternity services entirely.. seen it with my own eyes.. did my nursing OB clinicals at the maternity ward down the street, - that's now closed..

Once the crotch-fruit is out, it's "American", an anchor baby & we can't deport momma, becuz it's not "fair" to break up families...

You're just repeating the same lie over and over again without facts. The people who bankrupted the hospitals were uninsured Americans who walked through the door and were guaranteed service. This was a problem with the health care system pre Obamacare where free loaders were rewarded, and those freeloaders were not mostly  illegal immigrants they were legal residents. Try again.


Seriously - you're the one without facts here - please explain how a population estimated at eleven million people *without health insurance* doesn't impose a cost on taxpayers and harm hospitals?

Where, exactly, do the anchor-babies come from?    By definition, they're born in this country, so how is it "free"?
2014-05-08 11:02:20 AM
2 votes:
Bob Robert


Thunderpipes: Are you serious?

Most work under the table, pay no taxes. Many receive benefits, free of charge. Much of the cash they make is sent back to Mexico. Know how much money it costs for an illegal to have a kid at a hospital? Oh ya, hospital cannot even ask if they are a citizen or report them at all.

Are people really this ignorant?


feel free at any time to provide citations that prove our point


This says you are wrong but what do the experts know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_ in _the_United_States#Taxes_contributed


Not saying he is right, but Wikipedia is not even considered a valid source of factual information in my sons 4th grade class.
2014-05-08 11:01:54 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: fatandolder: My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.

Riiight... they probably showed up at Ellis Island like most and if they could breathe they became citizens.

Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants. There were no legal holes you had to jump through like there are today, you are the I got mine fark you generation.


So when did you come though Ellis Island, that you know how easy it was for everyone?
2014-05-08 11:00:30 AM
2 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..


THIS.

A THOUSAND FARKING TIMES, THIS.

Jeebus Cripes, why isn't this exactly the same as ANYTHING ELSE that's ILLEGAL?

ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!! *runs off screaming, ripping hair out by the handfuls*
2014-05-08 10:58:47 AM
2 votes:

Bob Robert: You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.


Wait are you seriously saying that 'we've been doing it for so long, just keep doing it instead of imposing laws and orders'?

I'm married to a legal immigrant so getting a kick and all out of this but the rules are there for a reason. Saying 'fark it cuz some stuff is hard' earns a self righteous 'go fark yourself'. Immigrating from a 3rd world country is a biatch. But so is life. Learn to deal.
2014-05-08 10:53:37 AM
2 votes:
so is anyone checking their immunization records when they jump the fence?
2014-05-08 10:48:09 AM
2 votes:

Stone Meadow: The REAL ID Act, passed in 2005, established minimum standards for drivers licenses and stipulated that licenses for residents without legal status must bear a distinctive marking.

You mean something like this?

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Really? You think having a distinctly different license, something normally kept in a wallet, is the equivalent of labeling the Jews by the Nazis? Pathetic.

 You do realize that CA already has different licenses marked for different reasons. Like if you are under 21 your license is different.
2014-05-08 10:47:30 AM
2 votes:

qorkfiend: Why do you think that would prevent them from driving?


If you would couple that with them actually being detained and deported when they are caught driving without a license and found out to be illegal immigrants it would prevent a lot of them from driving.
2014-05-08 10:38:12 AM
2 votes:
So how is it that these states can get Driver Licenses to Illegal's living in the shadows, but can get ID's to citizens to vote with?
2014-05-08 10:32:11 AM
2 votes:

pueblonative: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?


I'm talking about things like social security and medicare, for people who actually were born here and paid the taxes for it their whole lives.  Is that so hard to understand?  And, by the way I work for a living and don't lay claim to ANY handouts, I'm just tired of paying for people who don't and shouldn't even be in the farking country.  Got it?
2014-05-08 10:31:29 AM
2 votes:

BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?

About the time immigrants stopped being mostly European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic.


An illegal European or Asian would be almost immediately deported if caught because they won't work for pennies on the dollar. Hispanics are our new Negroes and are being shamefully exploited. Meanwhile American citizens have a hard time finding work in the skilled trade because they won't build a house for $4/hr and work six 12 hour days each week.
2014-05-08 10:27:53 AM
2 votes:
I've got a real simple solution. It's been proven to work, too. Chances are, it worked for most of all our collective forefathers.

Ready? Here goes: Re-open Ellis Island.

Actually, I think there should be 4 facilities: New York, San Diego, Miami, and Laredo. Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.

It would cut down on illegal immigration real quick.
2014-05-08 10:26:57 AM
2 votes:

qorkfiend: Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?


Sure as hell didn't stop the one who t-boned my cousin and ran, leaving her with a busted diaphragm (not that kind), guts going into the wrong spots, and busted bones everywhere.
2014-05-08 10:24:25 AM
2 votes:
I find it intriguing that the people most concerned with invasive plants coming in and taking over are often big supporters of immigrants. And those people who don't give a damn about invasive species are overly paranoid about human immigration.

img.fark.net
2014-05-08 10:12:04 AM
2 votes:

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


Just put a "Pick your own" sign up and you'll have suburban moms and kids lining up to pay you!
2014-05-08 10:08:49 AM
2 votes:
Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?

eyemarten: You mean like Dalaran or Shattarath?


Imma let you finish, but Dalaran was the greatest sanctuary city of all time. OF ALL TIME.
2014-05-08 02:06:16 AM
2 votes:
I've been assured by Commander Sisko that the Sanctuary Districts are an essential part of achieving the next golden age.

Stop farking with the temporal prime directive Subby
2014-05-08 05:56:55 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am not going to argue numbers with you, even Wikipedia does not consider it a credible source which in itself is ironic. Resource in the link below.

Link

Don't be so defensive next time.

Try not to be such an obvious concerned troll, pulling out the wiki not a valid source is what little kids who can't debate the facts do. Click on the citations provided in the wikipedia article and prove it wrong or stfu and stop being defensive and whinny


You being defensive about wiki links while arguing yesterday that WSJ links are wrong because they counter your ignorant preconcieved bias is the height of hilarity.
2014-05-08 05:27:43 PM
1 votes:

Khellendros: Yes, because they're U.S. citizens, and the fact their parents aren't isn't held against them. Imagine that.


So what? You think those kids would have just sprouted up here if their parents weren't here in the first place? The fact is they are now here and taking up a tremendous amount of resources because of our lack of enforcement against the parents.
2014-05-08 03:48:05 PM
1 votes:
"Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits."

NOT  true

Most lawn care and day laborers do not have phony ID as if the contractor is NOT doing govt work they have no requirement to prove the legality of their workers citizenship/naturalization status.  Hence they can pay a much lower wage since none of them can complain about minimum wage violations.

I work in a school district.  It is a no touch zone for illegals be it the student or the parent.  The amount of money spent on illegals to ensure they get breakfast and lunch and learn to speak English is ridiculous.

Should there be a path to legal status? Yes.  But it should be the same for everyone and breaking thelaws of your intended country of residence should not be the starting point.

Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighbors
2014-05-08 03:38:21 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Why would anyone bother to come here legally then? Just jump the fence, get free citizenship, free stuff.

Why bother to have immigration laws at all?

They don't get free stuff, they pay taxes and work their asses off. Far harder than lazy entitled faux patriots like yourself who come from dirt poor immigrants who only had to show up to be considered a citizen. Now everyone has to jump through hoops and only the families with money make it the legal way.


Free schooling, free emergency care, food stamps... nope. They don't get anything free.

Is your idiotic assumption truly that tgere is zero cost to illegal immigration?

Google how many trauma 1 care centers are in southern arizona. Google the costs for prison housing of illegal immigrants. Stop being ignorantto one side of the equation. We know you wont research from yesterdays thread though.
2014-05-08 03:33:38 PM
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.


Reentry after first deportation is a crime.... but facts are pesky things.
2014-05-08 03:33:00 PM
1 votes:
For thos who say illegal immagrants don't get benefits, all you have to do is look at Obama's Aunt Zatoonie who lived in this country for years on the dole and when interveiwed was pretty upfront about it.

Or Obama's uncle Oingogoingo who was living here for years...yea the guy who hit a cop car while driving drunk.

/oh those Obamas!
2014-05-08 03:30:23 PM
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.


Jesus fark, don't give the farking libs any ideas, asshole.  You're not helping
2014-05-08 03:27:55 PM
1 votes:

Facetious_Speciest: Cheap labor is good for business (and thus, government) interests.


Then why are they talking about raising the minimum wage? They only seem to care about labor costs when illegal aliens are involved.
2014-05-08 03:14:36 PM
1 votes:

Facetious_Speciest: I just don't see (or hear about) much support from politicians for anything that would deal with the situation. Honestly, the last I recall hearing about from Romney, he supported amnesty/citizenship.

It seems to me that no one save fringe candidates have any desire to deal with illegal migrants in anything but an accepting manner. Given that, the reality at hand, the best that can be done is to attempt to mitigate whatever damage might be done.


Well let's see some honest debate, and I want the questions answered how this immigration reform bill is good for the U.S. at a time when so many workers can't find jobs. They want to legalize millions of workers which will let them compete with many more Americans for jobs and make it easier to import more foreign workers and relaxing the requirements that they tried to hire an American first.
2014-05-08 03:13:21 PM
1 votes:

BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?

About the time immigrants stopped being mostly European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic.


This is what "Progressives" actually believe.
2014-05-08 03:09:42 PM
1 votes:
I'd be willing to wager that most of the tender-hearted folks in here who support removing immigration quotas are also in favor of a strong social safety net, and see no conflict whatsoever between such a social system and letting in unlimited adults from other countries.
2014-05-08 02:36:40 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


Because what we need to do is encourage even more to come and make the bottom fall out of our standard of living.

There's only so many resources to go around and the last thing our young people at the bottom rung of the ladder is is a whole class of people who never should have been here in the first place fighting with them for the shiat jobs they have no right to even be considered for.
2014-05-08 01:55:31 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


America trusted us once when we promised security after amnesty. They cant be stupid enough to trust us again can they? - Democrats.
2014-05-08 01:50:50 PM
1 votes:

Facetious_Speciest: Ok. Deport them. They'll come right back, but if it makes you happy...


They come back because they know once they get past the border their is a very low chance of getting caught because of the various sanctuary policies and there is low workplace enforcement.

Facetious_Speciest: Of course, I have to imagine that there's some provision in places that want to provide licenses to such people that would protect them from such deportation...otherwise, who the hell would sign up?


That's the whole point of these licenses. Any lines about increasing safety and insured rights are a joke.

"I'm not trying to tell Congress what form that takes, any of the details, but we are moving in that direction, and this is something that's a first step," the Democratic governor said.
2014-05-08 01:45:11 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: And you know who needs to lie about what their job is when trying to prove a point without facts to back their lies up? Trolls.

"I'm a doctor so I can tell you XYZ is wrong"

Nope, you're a lying troll.


i1375.photobucket.com

What were you saying? Lol
2014-05-08 01:40:57 PM
1 votes:
Bob Robert
they don't target white and asians with those tactics, it's always the mexican-y lookin types


Why do they always ignore the Samoans too? I guess no one wants to pick a fight with a Samoan.
2014-05-08 01:22:37 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: ChaosStar: Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on here

If that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.

You are another angry troll who can't ever debate what I say so you have to drive by insult. I'm not a troll, I stay here and back up my claims. You just can't stand that liberals are educated and have common sense.


See that's the problem with you Bob, you don't debate you just troll.
You don't address the comments of others like what would occur in a real debate. You just blurt out a whole bunch of words that form coherent but off the point sentences, shout "FACTS" about citations you don't even read, and throw in "conservative" and "GOP" like they're your own personal profanities.

Will this make you feel better?
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
There you go buddy.
2014-05-08 01:19:10 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: The more you eat the more you fart: Why does one have to be for deporting illegals OR immigration reform?

Why and it not be BOTH?

Boot out the illegals AND cut some of the red tape that makes it take so long to immigrate legally.

America let almost all of your ancestors here just by them crossing the border. Bunch o' hypocrites

Boot out all the families that worked hard? Separate them so the kids stay but their parents have to go? You are a sick person.


Youve never worked in a maternity ward FULL of border-crossers who got their wives pregnant on purpose then waited until shevwas 8.5 months to nreak the law just so they can have a kid (on taxpayer's money btw) as a way to under-handedly get citizenship.

So..yes. Kick them out.
2014-05-08 01:10:44 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on here


If that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.
2014-05-08 01:03:38 PM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: Proffesor


So what you're saying is that when nativist groups study illegal immigration, they consistently find that illegal immigration is bad and costly, but when academics do studies, it turns out there is a net benefit.

I'm shocked.
2014-05-08 01:01:22 PM
1 votes:

AaronSynn: In any instance, not just this one, I'm bothered by the mentality of 'If enough people break a law, we might as well just say screw it, and reward them for their illegal behavior'.


...aaaaaaaand THIS.
2014-05-08 12:38:01 PM
1 votes:

BMFPitt: GrizzlyPouch: My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect.

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Are you comparing crossing the border illegally and having to (potentially) face consequences like deportation to the treatment of African Americans?
2014-05-08 12:31:37 PM
1 votes:

GrizzlyPouch: My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect.


thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com
2014-05-08 12:25:43 PM
1 votes:

Transubstantive: You Are All Sheep: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

If you want to come from a country like Mexico, the waiting list is current in the 15-25 year range. So yes, it is that hard. Don't have opinions on things you don't know about.


So how is this wait-list America's problem?  The problem is that there are too many of them, and we can't help that.  Life sucks.
2014-05-08 12:09:44 PM
1 votes:
Deport illegals. Streamline citizenship process. Limit the number of immigrants per year. Anyone caught crossing illegally is immediately made ineligible for citizenship.

If we allow amnesty, we will be the only country on the face of the planet that just allows illegal immigrants to cross our border without penalty. Even farkin' FRANCE is tougher on illegal immigrants than we are right now.
2014-05-08 12:02:33 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: How do you get a license with no social security number? I'm sure they're at a permanent and legal address, too. And they'll all pay for insurance becase they don't need to eat and stuff. On their income, that'll be the first thing that gets skipped.

They are using someone elses ssn that is how the businesses pay them in the first place and why at least half are estimated to be paying taxes. this large off the books illegal working population hasnt existed for many years.


You are SO ignorant.  My head hurts.
2014-05-08 12:01:11 PM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: your trolling is boring as fark man, try harder next time to actually address the facts I bring up and the citations I provide, all you can do is talk over me and keep going back to unrelated sob stories that have nothing to do with the topic. Get off your Chinese addiction.


You mean the fact that only Republicans of European ancestry are against illegal immigration or that illegal immigrants don't use healthcare?
2014-05-08 11:55:18 AM
1 votes:

violentsalvation: We can't keep these people out, we've tried.


Not really, our attempts are almost laughable compared to what we could be doing.
2014-05-08 11:49:15 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: jayphat: Lol wut? You do know that personnel stationed here in the US go on practice runs all the time, yes?

And all without actively operating on American soil, if they want real live targets they can get shipped overseas to any one of the numerous undeclared war zones.


Who said ANYTHING about live targets? I said turn it into a bombing range. You cross onto a live fire bombing range, that's your problem.
2014-05-08 11:43:52 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Democrats need their votes.

boring repeating troll is boring

From the party that does everything to limit voting rights of citizens today, this is just more white boy cries wolf.


Boring but true.

I don't understand liberals utter failure to recognize why unchecked immagration is a bad idea .
2014-05-08 11:37:56 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: jayphat: The air force and marines need to practice bombing runs. Sounds like a perfect deterrent.

They need to practice? Why do they need to practice? There are plenty of people America bombs every day that they get plenty of practice on. You sound like a strong advocate for a military dictatorship here in America. Scary.


Lol wut? You do know that personnel stationed here in the US go on practice runs all the time, yes?
2014-05-08 11:35:09 AM
1 votes:

fatandolder: Cold_Sassy: fatandolder: Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: You know what? They don't. That's the problem. They're here ILLEGALLY.

You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.

My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.

You just answered your own question.

I think I was going for Bob Robert.


Oops, sorry.
2014-05-08 11:31:43 AM
1 votes:

brimed03: GrizzlyPouch: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

The problem here is your assumption that there's going to be stealing. That's a pretty breathtaking, not to mention racist assumption.

Going with Farker BMFPitt's upthread correction on this example, "your house" is shared with 300 million friends. Many of whom just want to invite their friends over. And extending this to my point about your assumptions, like many house guests immigrants are far more likely to clean the house's shared kitchen as a thank-you than to steal your stereo. Citation: tons of well-reviewed, independent studies that I wouldn't bother to link even if I wasn't on mobile because you wouldn't read them anyway. Facts have no place in your weltanschaaung, or you wouldn't still be arguing this shiat.


You're assuming I'm not in favor of relaxing immigration laws. I'm not in favor of the speed limit being 70 either doesn't mean I think people who speed should be exempt from fines

My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect.
2014-05-08 11:30:16 AM
1 votes:

Khellendros: So again I say - your understanding of labor pools and nominal tax rates is astounding.  Translation - you don't know what the fark you're talking about, and you're trying to wiggle out of it by claiming I'm moving goalposts.


I posted a tax rate (lets call it the tax on milk) and this is garbage to claim this is 'paying taxes' the same as someone paying 28% and you jump in and claim someones knowledge of nominal tax rates is astounding.
The point is that claiming they pay their taxes because some worker at 7-11 MAY collect a sales tax is disingenuous.

Tell me.  What is the nominal income tax rate of someone who has income, but no taxable income.
2014-05-08 11:24:46 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: I'd be willing to bet that your 50 million figure includes the eleven million illegals, and their crotch-fruit.

No, it is a statistic from long ago

Even if you were right, 10 million illegals still leaves 40 million uninsured American citizens. The facts don't add up to your claim.


Lol - math much?

Let's see how this works - you're losing money on 40 million uninsured people, and then you increase that loss by 20%

Nah - that won't hurt a bit!
2014-05-08 11:23:02 AM
1 votes:

DrewCurtisJr: Bob Robert: Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants.

You may want to think about that a little bit.


My grandparents were legal Irish immigrants.
2014-05-08 11:19:36 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Seriously - you're the one without facts here - please explain how a population estimated at eleven million people *without health insurance* doesn't impose a cost on taxpayers and harm hospitals?

Where, exactly, do the anchor-babies come from? By definition, they're born in this country, so how is it "free"?


Show me the statistics that blame illegals for hospitals financial problems? I described the actual problems hospitals faced, before Obamacare, over 50 million AMERICANS were uninsured, so tell me all about how it is the illegals fault.


I'd be willing to bet that your 50 million figure includes the eleven million illegals, and their crotch-fruit.
2014-05-08 11:16:50 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?

About the time immigrants stopped being mostly European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic.

An illegal European or Asian would be almost immediately deported if caught because they won't work for pennies on the dollar. Hispanics are our new Negroes and are being shamefully exploited. Meanwhile American citizens have a hard time finding work in the skilled trade because they won't build a house for $4/hr and work six 12 hour days each week.


i thought slaves ran away from slavery, not risking their lives to be sure to be enslaved.
2014-05-08 11:15:21 AM
1 votes:
Bob Robert

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Not saying he is right, but Wikipedia is not even considered a valid source of factual information in my sons 4th grade class.


And here we go with wikipedia isn't a valid source, click on the citations below and feel free to prove it wrong, then send a submission to get it edited or stfu


I am not going to argue numbers with you, even Wikipedia does not consider it a credible source which in itself is ironic. Resource in the link below.

Link

Don't be so defensive next time.
2014-05-08 11:12:20 AM
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: Turn the border in to a target range.
Problem solved.


Most illegals enter the country with a passport and a guest visa for 90 days.  Then they just overstay.  They actually enter the country legally, so there's nothing we can do at that moment.

The "border jumpers" are only a fraction of the people who enter.
2014-05-08 11:02:28 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: pay taxes and send their kids to school where they learn English


Free school isn't a benefit?
2014-05-08 11:01:51 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Look, I'm as racist as the next guy, but it's not the DMV's job to care about your citizenship status.  Did you pass the driver's test?  Congratulations, you're licensed to drive.


Then why do they care if you are under 21? Those under 21 get a completely different drivers license. It's even vertical.
2014-05-08 10:50:37 AM
1 votes:

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


The farm I get my strawberries from is picked by regular employees. Sure its about 20% more expensive than the store, but whatever. They wouldn't have to rope bored white teenagers into picking for 35 cents a pound. They'd offer them $10 an hour or so and would have plenty of applicants.
2014-05-08 10:48:45 AM
1 votes:
Most illegals don't compete with me for jobs.  So sure, help them out.

Now if you really want to help the STEM workers out, get rid of the damn H1B visa program.
2014-05-08 10:48:22 AM
1 votes:

fatandolder: Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: You know what? They don't. That's the problem. They're here ILLEGALLY.

You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.

My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.


You just answered your own question.
2014-05-08 10:47:06 AM
1 votes:

tricycleracer: I'd rather they drive without licenses, because 'Murrica.


I'd rather they don't drive at all .
2014-05-08 10:45:38 AM
1 votes:
Um...goverment isdued ID's to people who are not here legally and who probably do not carry car insurance since they cannot get a social security number?

Great idea!

While we're at it...amnesty for everybody!
2014-05-08 10:42:22 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: Friction8r: Liberals want amnesty for Illegal Immigrants to sign them up as democrat voters. Film at 11.

Except according to so many Republicans, illegals are very religious and conservative, they just need to learn the Republican platform and then they will vote GOP.


Hispanic = Illegal?
2014-05-08 10:40:42 AM
1 votes:

Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?


Yes
2014-05-08 10:38:32 AM
1 votes:
Maybe we will get a President who doesn't like murder laws. Then we can have sanctuary cities for murder! Yay!

Not like it is the President's job to, you know, make sure the laws are faithfully executed. Obamacare? Just change it or ignore it as you please. Immigration laws? Nah, who cares. Murder? Why not?

Why have laws at all, if you can ignore them as you please?
2014-05-08 10:35:03 AM
1 votes:

FunkyBlue: You Are All Sheep: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.


And yet, thousands of people from other countries, and very many whom are educated at that, wait 7-10 years to get proper documentation to become citizens here.  We should adopt Canada's requirements.
2014-05-08 10:34:56 AM
1 votes:

charlesmartel11235: nunyadang: I do not know what the answer is but the whole situation is a colossal  fark up.

We spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding agencies whose purpose is to stop people from entering the country illegally.

Then we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on agencies to help the illegal immigrants once they arrive.

It is so ridiculously counter intuitive that only the government can do it

My 2 cents

1 find a way to secure the border
2 once the border is secure figure out plan to either deport or grant amnesty to those here.
3 adjust the immigration numbers to ensure an adequate work force. I mean someone needs to work to pay taxes to support the lazy Americans not working.
4 try to ensure that Mexico continues to grow economically to lesser the need for thier citizens to leave.


That is my rough plan. If anyone from the Obama Administration has any questions, hit me up on Fark, I am sure we can figure something out.

1 is pretty hard. There's a whole lot of border



wpmedia.arts.nationalpost.com

/has an idea
2014-05-08 10:30:54 AM
1 votes:

Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.


Is 4% = 32% ?   They do jobs nobody else is willing to work below minimum wage to do.  So, they do work nobody is willing to do simply because they are there affecting the worker pool.  That's a fantastic reason to keep them.
2014-05-08 10:27:44 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: Why don't we just do away with the concept of citizenship altogether and just open our borders to anyone and everyone to come here and do as they please? Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration? It isn't a left vs right issue and never has been.


You talk as if immigration has never been an issue before now...

media.liveauctiongroup.net
2014-05-08 10:26:43 AM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?



I have to have a driver's license and insurance to drive a car on public roads. Not having either on of those is not a deterrent to driving for an illegal alien. At least, that is what I glean from reading the news reports of hit and runs around here.
2014-05-08 10:20:21 AM
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: Read the article to find out why getting rear ended by an uninsured illegal alien was better that by an insured illegal alien with a valid driver's licence.  And why the federal government wanted that so my insurance rates to go up.


Exactly this.  It has nothing to do with making Illegals citizens, or a pathway to amnesty.  It has EVERYTHING to do with Insurance rates, plain and simple.
2014-05-08 10:19:42 AM
1 votes:
I do not know what the answer is but the whole situation is a colossal  fark up.

We spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding agencies whose purpose is to stop people from entering the country illegally.

Then we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on agencies to help the illegal immigrants once they arrive.

It is so ridiculously counter intuitive that only the government can do it

My 2 cents

1 find a way to secure the border
2 once the border is secure figure out plan to either deport or grant amnesty to those here.
3 adjust the immigration numbers to ensure an adequate work force. I mean someone needs to work to pay taxes to support the lazy Americans not working.
4 try to ensure that Mexico continues to grow economically to lesser the need for thier citizens to leave.


That is my rough plan. If anyone from the Obama Administration has any questions, hit me up on Fark, I am sure we can figure something out.
2014-05-08 10:16:26 AM
1 votes:
Read the article to find out why getting rear ended by an uninsured illegal alien was better that by an insured illegal alien with a valid driver's licence.  And why the federal government wanted that so my insurance rates to go up.
2014-05-08 10:15:06 AM
1 votes:
The REAL ID Act, passed in 2005, established minimum standards for drivers licenses and stipulated that licenses for residents without legal status must bear a distinctive marking.

You mean something like this?

upload.wikimedia.org
2014-05-08 10:14:07 AM
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..


You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.
 
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