Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Name one country that allows free, unchecked immagration that you would like the US to model after. Please.Your argument proves my point, none of these people coming here fit this disqualification:Danger Mouse: No crimenals, crazies, or prostitues were allowed in. There were medical exams and an attempt to identify and document who the people were. to the best of our abilities.They are just too poor and desperate to wait in line and hope to get papers after a decade or moreDanger Mouse: We also didn't provide free health care, EBT cards, homes, phones etc.Illegals get ebt homes and phones? What the fark am I reading?Danger Mouse: The world and our society has significantly changed since the turn of the 19 centuary, no? Why would you not want to have background checks and medical exams for people entering the country?Exactly this is the FARK YOU I GOT MINE defenseDanger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_lawsYou proved my point, immigration was easy as pie until the racists took over government and restricted it. You got yours, so fark the rest.
TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.
ChaosStar: The more you eat the more you fart: Bob Robert: And you know who needs to lie about what their job is when trying to prove a point without facts to back their lies up? Trolls."I'm a doctor so I can tell you XYZ is wrong"Nope, you're a lying troll.[i1375.photobucket.com image 300x224]What were you saying? LolBob has you on ignoreBob Robert: PloinkThat's how a certain idiot on Fark say they've ignored you, and why I'm fairly certain Bob is an alt.
Facetious_Speciest: If they're here anyway (as no one is seriously suggesting mass deportation), isn't that an improvement, if only a small one?
Epic Fap Session: badaboom: Epic Fap Session: Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.Which would be?Well, it would depend a little on the exact time of the immigration, but from 1880s until the Immigration Act of 1924, if you were from a "desirable" country in Europe, it was pretty much "Welcome to America!"
Facetious_Speciest: In that we know they've at least qualified like the rest of us to drive, and pay taxes. Both are better than neither, right?
Facetious_Speciest: But it doesn't appear we're going to, does it? I honestly don't remember, did any of the presidential candidates from the last election support doing anything useful in that regard? It seems like all the politicians and corporations are on the same page, here, and it's not the page you wish.
Bob Robert: LZeitgeist: (CirizenKaneApplause.gif)I already showed why his argument was wrong, you all can stop patting yourselves on the back now.
BMFPitt: badaboom: Are you comparing crossing the border illegally and having to (potentially) face consequences like deportation to the treatment of African Americans?Actually I was providing a direct counterexample to the statement, "My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect."stonelotus: how many people in that picture can you name without looking it up?yeah, mad respect yo.I don't know the name of that Tienanmen Square guy, either, so fark that guy, right Mr. Pinkmann?
badaboom: The #1 rule of immigration is that it supposed to be benfecial for the country accepting the immigrant NOT beneficial for the immigrant. It is NOT fark you I got mine nor is it racist. We can not be the world's repository for anyone and everyone. The citizens of this country have every right to determine who gets to be in the club. And there are plenty of legitimate reasons to limit membership. In fact, putting a throttle on immigration allows us to absorb people and better serve them when they arrive. Annual limits make sense. It prevents the system from being overloaded. It allows the county to determine who or what skills are necessary at any given time. It keeps the diveristy as well. If we can only absorb 500,000 people in a given year for example why is it fair that all 500,000 come from one nation? We the citizens should be in compelte control of who comes here (and why) and who does NOT get to come here (and why). You are a fool if you think this is all race based.
BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?About the time immigrants stopped being mostly European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic.
Facetious_Speciest: I just don't see (or hear about) much support from politicians for anything that would deal with the situation. Honestly, the last I recall hearing about from Romney, he supported amnesty/citizenship.It seems to me that no one save fringe candidates have any desire to deal with illegal migrants in anything but an accepting manner. Given that, the reality at hand, the best that can be done is to attempt to mitigate whatever damage might be done.
vudukungfu: muck4doo: I guess no one wants to pick a fight with a Samoan.I wouldn't want to cross a Samoan. You know what you get when you cross a Samoan with a Mexican?Samoa-Mexicans.get it?
qorkfiend: Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?
Facetious_Speciest: Politicians don't care about your standard of living, they don't care about your cultural desires, they don't care about you at all.
muck4doo: I declare April 8th as official hate a Samoan or Steeler day from here on out.
Facetious_Speciest: Cheap labor is good for business (and thus, government) interests.
Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license. They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them. This is bullsh*t..You're right. It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.Yeah, they're such resource drains.
Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.
Danger Mouse: Epic Fap Session: Danger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_lawsYou ought to watch the name calling.You should check your facts. (and actually read the entire article you posted, brainiac.The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies">Center for Immigration Studies, an organization that advocates Immigration reduction in the United States, reported in 2004: "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_im migrants_in_ the_United_States#cite_note-63">The Feb 2011 report "The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on US Taxpayers" from the Federation for American Immigration Reform "estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts [apx $13 billion] do not come close to the level of expenditures..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in _ the_United_States#cite_note-Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform -64">More fun info for you, Proffesor:http://www.fairus.org/action/cost-of-illegal-immigration-at-the-stat e- level(and our prisons would like to have a chat with you about the cost of illegal imigration).
ChaosStar: Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on hereIf that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.
Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Why would anyone bother to come here legally then? Just jump the fence, get free citizenship, free stuff.Why bother to have immigration laws at all?They don't get free stuff, they pay taxes and work their asses off. Far harder than lazy entitled faux patriots like yourself who come from dirt poor immigrants who only had to show up to be considered a citizen. Now everyone has to jump through hoops and only the families with money make it the legal way.
MyRandomName: Its so cute how you think they don't get things like food stamps, cause economic damage through identity theft, lower market wages, game yheir W2 to receive max tax credits, etc.
ChaosStar: Bob Robert: Welcome to ignore.[i852.photobucket.com image 290x285]
Rabid Gerbil: Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighbors
Khellendros: Rabid Gerbil: Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighborsYes. Let's make ourselves more like Mexico. Such a shining example.
Khellendros: So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?
Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?You are the king of moving goalposts and making up arguments for other people and defending against them.Congratulations, you master debated yourself. Nobody said migrant workers pay 28% income tax.
muck4doo: Khellendros: Rabid Gerbil: Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighborsYes. Let's make ourselves more like Mexico. Such a shining example.You sound racist.
Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.
muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.What are you basing that on?
Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.What are you basing that on?Visiting. Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants. Just like anyone else, in my experience.
Bob Robert: ChaosStar: Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on hereIf that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.You are another angry troll who can't ever debate what I say so you have to drive by insult. I'm not a troll, I stay here and back up my claims. You just can't stand that liberals are educated and have common sense.
muck4doo: Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.What are you basing that on?Visiting. Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants. Just like anyone else, in my experience.Mexican and Texan. We can be as lazy as anyone else. We can be as hard working as anyone else. What annoys me is when people look at me and have expectations based on the color of my skin.
Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.What are you basing that on?Visiting. Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants. Just like anyone else, in my experience.Mexican and Texan. We can be as lazy as anyone else. We can be as hard working as anyone else. What annoys me is when people look at me and have expectations based on the color of my skin.That was my point. When I said "let's make ourselves more like Mexico", that was a sarcastic jab at how corrupt the laws and government are (based on the claim we should adopt their immigration legal policy). You seemed to assume I was making some sort of racist remark, which I wasn't. The people, on average, are fine. Just like anywhere else. The government is a cesspool, and suggesting we should emulate their policies is not exactly a good goal.
Gonz: I've got a real simple solution. It's been proven to work, too. Chances are, it worked for most of all our collective forefathers.Ready? Here goes: Re-open Ellis Island.Actually, I think there should be 4 facilities: New York, San Diego, Miami, and Laredo. Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.It would cut down on illegal immigration real quick.
Khellendros: They get roads, and their kids can go to school. No unemployment, no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no sectioned housing, no EIC credits, the list goes on and on.
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