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2014-05-08 04:48:39 PM  

muck4doo: Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.

What are you basing that on?

Visiting.  Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants.  Just like anyone else, in my experience.

Mexican and Texan. We can be as lazy as anyone else. We can be as hard working as anyone else. What annoys me is when people look at me and have expectations based on the color of my skin.


That was my point.  When I said "let's make ourselves more like Mexico", that was a sarcastic jab at how corrupt the laws and government are (based on the claim we should adopt their immigration legal policy).  You seemed to assume I was making some sort of racist remark, which I wasn't.  The people, on average, are fine.  Just like anywhere else.  The government is a cesspool, and suggesting we should emulate their policies is not exactly a good goal.
 
2014-05-08 04:56:34 PM  

Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.

What are you basing that on?

Visiting.  Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants.  Just like anyone else, in my experience.

Mexican and Texan. We can be as lazy as anyone else. We can be as hard working as anyone else. What annoys me is when people look at me and have expectations based on the color of my skin.

That was my point.  When I said "let's make ourselves more like Mexico", that was a sarcastic jab at how corrupt the laws and government are (based on the claim we should adopt their immigration legal policy).  You seemed to assume I was making some sort of racist remark, which I wasn't.  The people, on average, are fine.  Just like anywhere else.  The government is a cesspool, and suggesting we should emulate their policies is not exactly a good goal.


Fair enough. I've been accustomed to have expectations of me based on race, and it is just as annoying when they assume good as well as bad. I have been called wetback by kids who are young enough to be my kids, I've been offered tacos and invitations to work "their garden" by the well meaning. In the end it all means the same thing. There isn't enough hate for Samoans.
 
2014-05-08 05:01:32 PM  

Gonz: I've got a real simple solution. It's been proven to work, too. Chances are, it worked for most of all our collective forefathers.

Ready? Here goes: Re-open Ellis Island.

Actually, I think there should be 4 facilities: New York, San Diego, Miami, and Laredo. Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.

It would cut down on illegal immigration real quick.


What do you have against Canadian immigrants?
 
2014-05-08 05:17:26 PM  

Khellendros: They get roads, and their kids can go to school.  No unemployment, no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no sectioned housing, no EIC credits, the list goes on and on.


Just their kids going to school is a huge expense. And if they have kids they are eligible for all sorts of benefits, especially if the kids are born here.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/undocumented-la-county-par en ts-projected-to-receive-650m-in-welfare-benefits/
 
2014-05-08 05:23:24 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Just their kids going to school is a huge expense. And if they have kids they are eligible for all sorts of benefits, especially if the kids are born here.


Yes, because they're U.S. citizens, and the fact their parents aren't isn't held against them.  Imagine that.
 
2014-05-08 05:27:43 PM  

Khellendros: Yes, because they're U.S. citizens, and the fact their parents aren't isn't held against them. Imagine that.


So what? You think those kids would have just sprouted up here if their parents weren't here in the first place? The fact is they are now here and taking up a tremendous amount of resources because of our lack of enforcement against the parents.
 
2014-05-08 05:31:01 PM  

Emposter: I've been assured by Commander Sisko that the Sanctuary Districts are an essential part of achieving the next golden age.

Stop farking with the temporal prime directive Subby


Never forget Gabriel Bell's sacrifice.
 
2014-05-08 05:56:55 PM  

Bob Robert: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am not going to argue numbers with you, even Wikipedia does not consider it a credible source which in itself is ironic. Resource in the link below.

Link

Don't be so defensive next time.

Try not to be such an obvious concerned troll, pulling out the wiki not a valid source is what little kids who can't debate the facts do. Click on the citations provided in the wikipedia article and prove it wrong or stfu and stop being defensive and whinny


You being defensive about wiki links while arguing yesterday that WSJ links are wrong because they counter your ignorant preconcieved bias is the height of hilarity.
 
2014-05-08 05:57:36 PM  

Silverstaff: Emposter: I've been assured by Commander Sisko that the Sanctuary Districts are an essential part of achieving the next golden age.

Stop farking with the temporal prime directive Subby

Never forget Gabriel Bell's sacrifice.


Took 8 pages, but someone got it!  High five!

/on season 4, episode 22 right now
 
2014-05-08 06:08:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Let's start helping Mexico be a place that Mexicans want to live in.


We already do.
 
2014-05-08 06:19:11 PM  
As someone who has brought two people into the US legally, yes, it is difficult, frustrating, and a real pita to make it happen. If you don't have a sponsor or family member here already, your chances of actually getting a legal entry/work visa are slim and none, especially if coming from a third world country.

I got married while working overseas in Thailand in the 90s. Back then it was the INS rather than Homeland Security that handled things. That part went pretty smooth. Getting the visa was more difficult. I remember the Embassy telling us that she had to get a physical, to check for TB, AIDS, etc so we went out to the closest hospital, paid $200 to get a physical with chest x-rays and such. The next day were back at the Embassy with our paperwork only to be told, "Oh, we only accept results from one of these hospitals, not the one you went to." It would have been nice if they had provided that tidbit of wisdom the day before, instead of just telling us to get a physical - $200 down the drain. We eventually got processed and came to the US.

We decided to leave my stepson with his grandparents there while I located a job, bought a house, and got settled. We started the process to get him over here in 2000, and in August 2001, the INS granted him green card status. We started the Visa process for him, and once again that is where things got hung up. Visas are issued by the State Dept, and right after we had applied, 9/11 happened so everything quit getting processed and was in limbo. The INS said it was okay for him to live here, but the Dept of State said he couldn't come here. 15 months later in November 2002  the Dept of State finally issued him an Entry Visa. I am proud to say he is now on his second enlistment in the US Navy.
 
2014-05-08 06:20:14 PM  
Que?
 
2014-05-08 06:29:06 PM  
I heard on Fark that I am a hard working person based my skin color. Hire me now to balance your check books.
 
2014-05-08 06:37:59 PM  

dropdfun: Either that or they do and dream about seeing our country devolve into some third world shiat hole due to absorbing mainly an uneducated and unskilled workforce.


Has their ever been a point in American history when immigrants weren't a largely uneducated and unskilled workforce? That's the whole point of the big green lady over there in NYC...give us your beat-down people and let them work here.

There were just as many broke-ass white people coming over in the past 200 years as there are now broke-ass brown people. The difference seems to be the tenor of the argument has changed from "hey I bet they have a dream!" to "Hey I bet they have a gun!"
 
2014-05-08 06:45:51 PM  

Bob Robert: TomD9938: Bob Robert: Friction8r: Liberals want amnesty for Illegal Immigrants to sign them up as democrat voters. Film at 11.

Except according to so many Republicans, illegals are very religious and conservative, they just need to learn the Republican platform and then they will vote GOP.

Hispanic = Illegal?

Yes, a growing portion of the GOP wants to give amnesty for illegals who are mostly hispanic and they believe enough of them can be convinced that they are really conservative.


Amnesty for the sober, church-going ones, getting rounded up and kicked out for the dope-smoking commie ones.

/hey, it's our country, we can set whatever rules we want.
 
2014-05-08 07:39:52 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Has their ever been a point in American history when immigrants weren't a largely uneducated and unskilled workforce? That's the whole point of the big green lady over there in NYC...give us your beat-down people and let them work here.


This might surprise you, but that inscription is not legislation.
 
2014-05-08 07:59:17 PM  

gfid: Scrotastic Method: Has their ever been a point in American history when immigrants weren't a largely uneducated and unskilled workforce? That's the whole point of the big green lady over there in NYC...give us your beat-down people and let them work here.

This might surprise you, but that inscription is not legislation.


Not surprising. But if that inscription is no longer part of our values we should take it down.
 
2014-05-08 08:27:57 PM  

Mcavity: You Are All Sheep:

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

Umm Yes. Yes it is.


http://immigrationroad.com/green-card/immigration-flowchart-roadmap- to -green-card.pdf

Or if you want the simple breakdown..

http://wikifreccia.wikispaces.com/file/view/immigration%20graphic.jp g/ 347266900/immigration%20graphic.jpg


I like that chart and have shared it many times. Dammit, we need to make immigration easier. I'm very much against illegal immigration, and don't really like the straight up amnesty, because we need to expedite the process so that people who want to be here can be citizens.
 
2014-05-08 10:07:39 PM  

Khellendros: You were attempting to equate - in multiple posts - working poor workers as paying 28+% of their income in taxes to illegal aliens paying 4%.


Not once was I even talking about working poor.  You think working poor are in the 28% bracket + state tax?
 
2014-05-08 10:14:32 PM  

Khellendros: You brought up a bone-headed example that is patently false, and got called on it.  There is essentially no difference in taxes paid between the working poor and illegal aliens, and aliens take in FAR less in benefits.  No welfare, medicaid, unemployment, social security, disability, etc.  The tradeoffs on fraud are tiny in comparison to the mass of the federal budget that goes to U.S. citizens that pay very little in taxes.


like I already said, you and I are apparently talking about different people.  I was never talking about working poor.

 Working poor pay very little in tax and will likely actually absorb money at tax time.

I do not have an argument against the fact that a working poor citizen pays no income tax and neither does an illegal.
The fact that a citizen gets some extra benefits that an illegal does not just goes along with being a fortunate place to be poor.  Thats the bonus the citizen gets.

Shall we cut all government benefits unless a citizen pays income tax?
 
2014-05-08 11:20:00 PM  

Khellendros: Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: So again I say - your understanding of labor pools and nominal tax rates is astounding.  Translation - you don't know what the fark you're talking about, and you're trying to wiggle out of it by claiming I'm moving goalposts.

I posted a tax rate (lets call it the tax on milk) and this is garbage to claim this is 'paying taxes' the same as someone paying 28% and you jump in and claim someones knowledge of nominal tax rates is astounding.
The point is that claiming they pay their taxes because some worker at 7-11 MAY collect a sales tax is disingenuous.

Tell me.  What is the nominal income tax rate of someone who has income, but no taxable income.

So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?  Have you ever filled out a 1040 on $18,000 total income?  You do not pay over $5,000 of taxes on that.  You pay roughly zero, and qualify for tax subsidies, welfare, medicaid, etc.

You are correct, illegal alien income is not taxed beyond consumer taxes.  But their benefits on that income is well below what a citizen gets for the taxes they do pay.  They get roads, and their kids can go to school.  No unemployment, no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no sectioned housing, no EIC credits, the list goes on and on.  Their use of services vs. income is more positive than the bottom fifth of citizen workers (the working poor) who do pay taxes and use public funds and services.

So no, you seem to have no clue what what you're talking about on nominal tax rates.


Well, let's see.  I've got some tax software here...

So, a single self employed person with no dependents making $18,000 after business deductions would pay $3,274 in federal income tax.  Let's say our hypothetical person lives in Massachusetts.  That's another $714 in state income tax, bringing us to $3,988.  So no, not 28% - it's only 22.15%.
 
2014-05-09 12:35:23 AM  

DarkVader: Khellendros: Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: So again I say - your understanding of labor pools and nominal tax rates is astounding.  Translation - you don't know what the fark you're talking about, and you're trying to wiggle out of it by claiming I'm moving goalposts.

I posted a tax rate (lets call it the tax on milk) and this is garbage to claim this is 'paying taxes' the same as someone paying 28% and you jump in and claim someones knowledge of nominal tax rates is astounding.
The point is that claiming they pay their taxes because some worker at 7-11 MAY collect a sales tax is disingenuous.

Tell me.  What is the nominal income tax rate of someone who has income, but no taxable income.

So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?  Have you ever filled out a 1040 on $18,000 total income?  You do not pay over $5,000 of taxes on that.  You pay roughly zero, and qualify for tax subsidies, welfare, medicaid, etc.

You are correct, illegal alien income is not taxed beyond consumer taxes.  But their benefits on that income is well below what a citizen gets for the taxes they do pay.  They get roads, and their kids can go to school.  No unemployment, no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no sectioned housing, no EIC credits, the list goes on and on.  Their use of services vs. income is more positive than the bottom fifth of citizen workers (the working poor) who do pay taxes and use public funds and services.

So no, you seem to have no clue what what you're talking about on nominal tax rates.

Well, let's see.  I've got some tax software here...

So, a single self employed person with no dependents making $18,000 after business deductions would pay $3,274 in federal income tax.  Let's say our hypothetical person lives in Massachusetts.  That's another $714 in state income tax, bringing us to $3,988.  So no, not 28% - it's only 22.15%.


In this day and age, taxing the first $30,000 of income is unconscionable.
 
2014-05-09 09:23:55 AM  

DarkVader: Well, let's see. I've got some tax software here...

So, a single self employed person with no dependents making $18,000 after business deductions would pay $3,274 in federal income tax. Let's say our hypothetical person lives in Massachusetts. That's another $714 in state income tax, bringing us to $3,988. So no, not 28% - it's only 22.15%.


Nice try, but no.  The current tax table puts $18,000 as $2,258 tax - which is the highest number assuming you're filing single with no dependents.  But, oh wait, there's this thing called a standard exemption.  Which drops that number to about $900, even less if you're filing married.  Have kids? Dependents?  Qualify for an EIC?  Now you're not only not paying any income taxes, they're SENDING you money because your tax burden is negative.

But thanks for playing.
 
2014-05-09 01:05:11 PM  

Khellendros: DarkVader: Well, let's see. I've got some tax software here...

So, a single self employed person with no dependents making $18,000 after business deductions would pay $3,274 in federal income tax. Let's say our hypothetical person lives in Massachusetts. That's another $714 in state income tax, bringing us to $3,988. So no, not 28% - it's only 22.15%.

Nice try, but no.  The current tax table puts $18,000 as $2,258 tax - which is the highest number assuming you're filing single with no dependents.  But, oh wait, there's this thing called a standard exemption.  Which drops that number to about $900, even less if you're filing married.  Have kids? Dependents?  Qualify for an EIC?  Now you're not only not paying any income taxes, they're SENDING you money because your tax burden is negative.

But thanks for playing.


Missed the whole "self employed" part, didn't you? Also the part about  single and  no dependents? Also add in that the EIC is not available to those without a valid Social Security number and just about everything you posted in rebuttal is incorrect.
 
2014-05-09 03:49:16 PM  

Khellendros: DrewCurtisJr: Just their kids going to school is a huge expense. And if they have kids they are eligible for all sorts of benefits, especially if the kids are born here.

Yes, because they're U.S. citizens, and the fact their parents aren't isn't held against them.  Imagine that.


Just because you were squeezed out on this side of the border should not make you an instant citizen.
You should only be a citizen if one or both of your parents are citizens.

And don't me any bullshiat about how that is unfair, Indians that were here for thousands of years didn't get US citizenship until the 1920's so cry me a river you lawbreaking illegals.
 
2014-05-09 06:08:41 PM  

Nadie_AZ: unknownshooter: FunkyBlue:

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.

Yeah - I know all about how long and expensive the process is to come here legally, the wife did it (from Canada) - it took years and cost thousands of dollars.

You wanna make it cheaper and easier to sneak in?

How about, " GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass? "

GTFO hasn't worked. "Come on in everyone" hasn't worked either. Got a better solution? Everyone is interested.

The local newspaper ran an article a few years ago about different countries and their approach to immigration (illegal and legal) and they ran the gamete totally open border to totally closed and the answers really were about the same: nothing seemed to really work.

So let's stop being stupid children who want to see the world as black and white and start actually coming up with ideas. I've an idea. Let's start helping Mexico be a place that Mexicans want to live in. If it is a great place, they'll start wanting to stay. How many Americans do you see going to Mexico or Guatemala to live? I mean that they'd sneak across the desert and undergo hardships to live in those countries.


Better solution: invade Mexico, if you want to run the country for them (because its evident they don't want to), plus we get the added bonus of have a smaller border to share with Guatemala and Belize which is easier to defend.
 
2014-05-09 06:17:39 PM  

Bob Robert: fatandolder: My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.

Riiight... they probably showed up at Ellis Island like most and if they could breathe they became citizens.

Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants. There were no legal holes you had to jump through like there are today, you are the I got mine fark you generation.


So you're saying laws should never be changed in an attempt to improve a situation? Or are you saying that people shouldn't have to follow laws that weren't ALWAYS on the books?
 
2014-05-09 06:27:01 PM  

Bob Robert: DrewCurtisJr: Nonsense. Deported by who?

They are afraid of using any services for fear of being found and deported, whether right or wrong this is their fear. They stay under the radar.

DrewCurtisJr: You think everyone's ancestors came here voluntarily huh? And you may want to look up the Chinese exclusion act.

I didn't say everyone, I said all the loud mouth hypocritical conservatives. Try not to fall off your ladder when building that strawman, I know you are one of the worst trolls on here


Capo Del Bandito: Wait are you seriously saying that 'we've been doing it for so long, just keep doing it instead of imposing laws and orders'?

I'm married to a legal immigrant so getting a kick and all out of this but the rules are there for a reason. Saying 'fark it cuz some stuff is hard' earns a self righteous 'go fark yourself'. Immigrating from a 3rd world country is a biatch. But so is life. Learn to deal.

The rules are here for a reason, they are new rules that didn't exist for most people who could just show up. The rules were changed during one of the most xenophobic and racist times in American history.

The rules are designed so immigrants from 3rd world countries find it almost impossible to come to America so they take the long hard route and work their asses off once here. America should open its arms to anyone that has such a strong work ethic and is so dedicated.


How do you feel about opening your arms to people who willfully, knowingly, and unapologetically break the law?  You do know laws are the basic social construct of society right? Do you like to play Monopoly with cheaters?
 
2014-05-09 06:44:57 PM  

Bob Robert: jayphat: Lol wut? You do know that personnel stationed here in the US go on practice runs all the time, yes?

And all without actively operating on American soil, if they want real live targets they can get shipped overseas to any one of the numerous undeclared war zones.


You sir, are a fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sands_Missile_Range

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_and_Training_Range

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_M._Goldwater_Air_Force_Range


And that's not all of them...
 
2014-05-09 06:49:10 PM  

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Boring but true.

I don't understand liberals utter failure to recognize why unchecked immagration is a bad idea .

America had over a century of unchecked immigration, it turned into the most powerful and richest country in the world, your white boy cries wolf is noted and laughed at


At least its always easy to identify the racists...they're usually the only one's to mention race or color.  Your bigotry is sad and shameful. Enjoy hating white people just 'cause.
 
2014-05-09 06:58:10 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.


Well shiat, lets just apply ALL of the old laws right? Child labor, minimum wage, abortion, etc. I mean, we had them for others, we should make it fair and apply them the same today!
 
2014-05-09 07:08:24 PM  

Bob Robert: This only works if an illegal files a tax return. Do you really believe they do it?


They do all sorts of tax scams. For example:

Q: Does the IRS pay billions in tax refunds to workers who are in the U.S. illegally?

A: Yes. The Treasury Department's Inspector General determined that $4.2 billion was paid in 2010, up from less than $1 billion in 2005. Leading Democrats are resisting a bill that would stop future payments.



 http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants /
 
2014-05-09 07:18:25 PM  

Scrotastic Method: dropdfun: Either that or they do and dream about seeing our country devolve into some third world shiat hole due to absorbing mainly an uneducated and unskilled workforce.

Has their ever been a point in American history when immigrants weren't a largely uneducated and unskilled workforce? That's the whole point of the big green lady over there in NYC...give us your beat-down people and let them work here.

There were just as many broke-ass white people coming over in the past 200 years as there are now broke-ass brown people. The difference seems to be the tenor of the argument has changed from "hey I bet they have a dream!" to "Hey I bet they have a gun!"


That shift also occurred roughly around the time when we shifted from being a manufacturing powerhouse in nearly every industry to a service industry that's been streamlined and requires fewer resident workers (relatively not absolutely).
 
2014-05-09 07:32:52 PM  

zepher: Khellendros: DrewCurtisJr: Just their kids going to school is a huge expense. And if they have kids they are eligible for all sorts of benefits, especially if the kids are born here.

Yes, because they're U.S. citizens, and the fact their parents aren't isn't held against them.  Imagine that.

Just because you were squeezed out on this side of the border should not make you an instant citizen.
You should only be a citizen if one or both of your parents are citizens.


And don't me any bullshiat about how that is unfair, Indians that were here for thousands of years didn't get US citizenship until the 1920's so cry me a river you lawbreaking illegals.


In case you hadn't noticed, the Constitution is really farking hard to amend nowadays, and short of that, we're stuck with the rules as they are.
 
2014-05-09 07:32:54 PM  

Bob Robert: Your link says that the illegals are getting credits because of their legal children not from claimed wages. Troll harder.


1. It shows that they do indeed file returns (So again you don't know what you are talking about)

2.  Non-citizen children can qualify if they are legally residents and have at least an ITIN. And the requirements aren't vigorously enforced. The IG report said the IRS management doesn't demand that parents submit documentation to prove that the children they are claiming actually reside in the U.S., something the IG recommended and IRS management said it lacked legal authority to do. So it is at least possible that some refunds are being paid based on children who aren't citizens, or who aren't even living in the U.S.


Read harder, or take the easy way out and cry troll again instead of acknowledging the facts. I think we both know which choice you'll continue to make.
 
2014-05-09 07:33:36 PM  

Bob Robert: deadlyplatypus: How do you feel about opening your arms to people who willfully, knowingly, and unapologetically break the law? You do know laws are the basic social construct of society right? Do you like to play Monopoly with cheaters?

Are you one of those douchebags who goes slow in the fast lane to try and teach a lesson to those pathetic unapologetic lawbreakers that speed?

The immigration laws were a recent addition and totally racist in nature. Your ancestors came here and became citizens just by showing up. You are nothing but a pathetic hypocrite if you demand new would be citizens jump through hoops nobody else did.

No I don't like playing with cheaters, that's why I am not a libertarian who thinks people will self regulate.


I drive the speed limit (or relatively close) believe it or not, even on the 340 mile stretches of nearly uninhabited highway I used to regularly drive in South Dakota when I knew I wouldn't see a cop between New Underwood and Mitchell.

Please, show me in writing how the laws are racist.  Are our laws written specifically with language as to the race, religion, nationality, gender, or disability of people?  APPLICATION of those laws may be racist and if that's true I have a problem with it.

 How do you know anything about my ancestors? Only racists make  assumptions like that with NO factual basis.  Care to tell everyone which countries my ancestors came from and cite where you got your information?

 I am in no way a hypocrite (at least in regards to this debate). When my ancestors (to my knowledge) immigrated, they FOLLOWED THE LAWS on the books at the time, it doesn't matter how hard it was, the law is the law.  Whether or not we need to change the process for gaining citizenship is a completely different debate than whether or not we hold people accountable for following or breaking laws. Apparently, you're of the opinion that laws should never change nor new laws added because that would affect new people differently than people in the past, which is ridiculous on its face.

I don't like playing with cheaters either...cheaters are people who don't play by the rules does that description sound familiar?
 
2014-05-09 07:34:55 PM  

Bob Robert: deadlyplatypus: Bob Robert: jayphat: Lol wut? You do know that personnel stationed here in the US go on practice runs all the time, yes?

And all without actively operating on American soil, if they want real live targets they can get shipped overseas to any one of the numerous undeclared war zones.

You sir, are a fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sands_Missile_Range

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_and_Training_Range

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_M._Goldwater_Air_Force_Range


And that's not all of them...

I'm the fool yet your links have nothing to do with actual humans being the targets at those ranges like jayphat wants? Read what I wrote again, this time sober.


I did read what you wrote...
 
2014-05-09 07:40:48 PM  

Bob Robert: deadlyplatypus: Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Boring but true.

I don't understand liberals utter failure to recognize why unchecked immagration is a bad idea .

America had over a century of unchecked immigration, it turned into the most powerful and richest country in the world, your white boy cries wolf is noted and laughed at

At least its always easy to identify the racists...they're usually the only one's to mention race or color.  Your bigotry is sad and shameful. Enjoy hating white people just 'cause.

You're a racist for pointing out my racism. That didn't take long.

It's always the self hating conservatives who try and project that onto liberals who point out basic history and common sense. You came to America and had to do nothing to be a citizen, but a bunch of brown people start coming and you go nuts and try to do everything to stop them. But I'm the real racist... got it.


I'm not trying to stop them, I just want them to follow the laws, just like I want Canadians, Ukrainians, Australians, Bulgarians, and a whole host of folks to do.  If they don't want to even follow the laws to get into the country, I don't want them here.

Lol, yep I sure am a racist, that's why I've spent so much time talking about "white boys crying" and people only hating "brown people." The only time I've mentioned or even hinted at race or nationality is in response to your nonsensical rantings. You are just like all of the rest of your lot screaming "YOU are all racists and if you don't agree with me you're even worse!"  Maybe you should look up what racism is.
 
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