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2014-05-08 01:50:48 PM  

udhq: The more you eat the more you fart: Except im not claiming to be a fighter pilot.

Well, I was just pointing this out because for some reason, I have you farkied as "claims to be a doctor, definitely doesn't sound like it."  No idea when/why this happened.


Well..picture proof.

I never claimed to be a doctor. Im a nurse.
 
2014-05-08 01:50:50 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Ok. Deport them. They'll come right back, but if it makes you happy...


They come back because they know once they get past the border their is a very low chance of getting caught because of the various sanctuary policies and there is low workplace enforcement.

Facetious_Speciest: Of course, I have to imagine that there's some provision in places that want to provide licenses to such people that would protect them from such deportation...otherwise, who the hell would sign up?


That's the whole point of these licenses. Any lines about increasing safety and insured rights are a joke.

"I'm not trying to tell Congress what form that takes, any of the details, but we are moving in that direction, and this is something that's a first step," the Democratic governor said.
 
2014-05-08 01:54:01 PM  

Khellendros: Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: So again I say - your understanding of labor pools and nominal tax rates is astounding.  Translation - you don't know what the fark you're talking about, and you're trying to wiggle out of it by claiming I'm moving goalposts.

I posted a tax rate (lets call it the tax on milk) and this is garbage to claim this is 'paying taxes' the same as someone paying 28% and you jump in and claim someones knowledge of nominal tax rates is astounding.
The point is that claiming they pay their taxes because some worker at 7-11 MAY collect a sales tax is disingenuous.

Tell me.  What is the nominal income tax rate of someone who has income, but no taxable income.

So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?  Have you ever filled out a 1040 on $18,000 total income?  You do not pay over $5,000 of taxes on that.  You pay roughly zero, and qualify for tax subsidies, welfare, medicaid, etc.

You are correct, illegal alien income is not taxed beyond consumer taxes.  But their benefits on that income is well below what a citizen gets for the taxes they do pay.  They get roads, and their kids can go to school.  No unemployment, no social security, no medicare, no welfare, no sectioned housing, no EIC credits, the list goes on and on.  Their use of services vs. income is more positive than the bottom fifth of citizen workers (the working poor) who do pay taxes and use public funds and services.

So no, you seem to have no clue what what you're talking about on nominal tax rates.


You forgot the social security tax which employers have to take out of the employee's check.  Outside of that, accurate.  Just working at a payroll company lets me look at minimum wage checks occasionally. it's percentage based. A 16 hour check doesn't have as much social security taxed out of it as 40 hours does.

Apparently some have issue with being forced to have it taken.

I on the other hand don't plan on relying on social security though I will be glad to receive the checks after retirement. so I'm working on doing as much as I can to add to my savings outside of work.
 
2014-05-08 01:54:37 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Bob Robert: And you know who needs to lie about what their job is when trying to prove a point without facts to back their lies up? Trolls.

"I'm a doctor so I can tell you XYZ is wrong"

Nope, you're a lying troll.

[i1375.photobucket.com image 300x224]

What were you saying? Lol


Bob has you on ignore

Bob Robert: Ploink


That's how a certain idiot on Fark say they've ignored you, and why I'm fairly certain Bob is an alt.
 
2014-05-08 01:55:09 PM  

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Name one country that allows free, unchecked immagration that you would like the US to model after. Please.

Your argument proves my point, none of these people coming here fit this disqualification:

Danger Mouse: No crimenals, crazies, or prostitues were allowed in. There were medical exams and an attempt to identify and document who the people were. to the best of our abilities.

They are just too poor and desperate to wait in line and hope to get papers after a decade or more

Danger Mouse: We also didn't provide free health care, EBT cards, homes, phones etc.

Illegals get ebt homes and phones? What the fark am I reading?

Danger Mouse: The world and our society has significantly changed since the turn of the 19 centuary, no? Why would you not want to have background checks and medical exams for people entering the country?

Exactly this is the FARK YOU I GOT MINE defense

Danger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

You proved my point, immigration was easy as pie until the racists took over government and restricted it. You got yours, so fark the rest.


The #1 rule of immigration is that it supposed to be benfecial for the country accepting the immigrant NOT beneficial for the immigrant. It is NOT fark you I got mine nor is it racist. We can not be the world's repository for anyone and everyone. The citizens of this country have every right to determine who gets to be in the club. And there are plenty of legitimate reasons to limit membership. In fact, putting a throttle on immigration allows us to absorb people and better serve them when they arrive. Annual limits make sense. It prevents the system from being overloaded. It allows the county to determine who or what skills are necessary at any given time. It keeps the diveristy as well. If we can only absorb 500,000 people in a given year for example why is it fair that all 500,000 come from one nation? We the citizens should be in compelte control of who comes here (and why) and who does NOT get to come here (and why). You are a fool if you think this is all race based.
 
2014-05-08 01:55:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


America trusted us once when we promised security after amnesty. They cant be stupid enough to trust us again can they? - Democrats.
 
2014-05-08 01:56:15 PM  
DrewCurtisJr

That's the whole point of these licenses. Any lines about increasing safety and insured rights are a joke.

From your linked piece about Colorado, it appears that those licensed will have to pass a standard driving test and demonstrate that they're paying taxes. If they're here anyway (as no one is seriously suggesting mass deportation), isn't that an improvement, if only a small one?
 
2014-05-08 01:58:24 PM  

ChaosStar: The more you eat the more you fart: Bob Robert: And you know who needs to lie about what their job is when trying to prove a point without facts to back their lies up? Trolls.

"I'm a doctor so I can tell you XYZ is wrong"

Nope, you're a lying troll.

[i1375.photobucket.com image 300x224]

What were you saying? Lol

Bob has you on ignore

Bob Robert: Ploink

That's how a certain idiot on Fark say they've ignored you, and why I'm fairly certain Bob is an alt.


No sweat off my balls.

Hes a tard either way.
 
2014-05-08 02:00:59 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: If they're here anyway (as no one is seriously suggesting mass deportation), isn't that an improvement, if only a small one?


Improvement in what sense? Making life so comfortable for them so that more come and stay? We need to be going in the other direction to deter illegals.
 
2014-05-08 02:01:56 PM  

Epic Fap Session: badaboom: Epic Fap Session: Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.

Which would be?

Well, it would depend a little on the exact time of the immigration, but from 1880s until the Immigration Act of 1924, if you were from a "desirable" country in Europe, it was pretty much "Welcome to America!"


And you got to walk right in? No medicall exam? No background check? No papers?
 
2014-05-08 02:10:54 PM  

Epic Fap Session: badaboom: Epic Fap Session: Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.

Which would be?

Well, it would depend a little on the exact time of the immigration, but from 1880s until the Immigration Act of 1924, if you were from a "desirable" country in Europe, it was pretty much "Welcome to America!"


That's how it works today for people from the "desirable" part of Mexico.  There just don't happen to actually be any.
 
2014-05-08 02:14:55 PM  
DrewCurtisJr

Improvement in what sense?

In that we know they've at least qualified like the rest of us to drive, and pay taxes. Both are better than neither, right?

We need to be going in the other direction to deter illegals.

But it doesn't appear we're going to, does it? I honestly don't remember, did any of the presidential candidates from the last election support doing anything useful in that regard? It seems like all the politicians and corporations are on the same page, here, and it's not the page you wish.
 
2014-05-08 02:32:44 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: In that we know they've at least qualified like the rest of us to drive, and pay taxes. Both are better than neither, right?


Not necessarily. It may increase accidents because they will be emboldened to drive more often than they do now.

Facetious_Speciest: But it doesn't appear we're going to, does it? I honestly don't remember, did any of the presidential candidates from the last election support doing anything useful in that regard? It seems like all the politicians and corporations are on the same page, here, and it's not the page you wish.


Romney talked about enforcement and attrition and we had states pass their own laws only to be challenged by the Obama administration because it would force him to do his job and enforce interior immigration laws.
 
2014-05-08 02:36:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


Because what we need to do is encourage even more to come and make the bottom fall out of our standard of living.

There's only so many resources to go around and the last thing our young people at the bottom rung of the ladder is is a whole class of people who never should have been here in the first place fighting with them for the shiat jobs they have no right to even be considered for.
 
2014-05-08 02:42:08 PM  

Bob Robert: LZeitgeist: (CirizenKaneApplause.gif)

I already showed why his argument was wrong, you all can stop patting yourselves on the back now.


No you didn't. You just simply contradicted what I said without offering any crediable counter arugment, points, or citations. you then go on to  name call others.

The fact is there have been immigration laws for over a hundred years.  The fact is there are crediable reports out thier that show illegal immigartion causes big problems (crime, health and drain on social services).


You call anyone who wants to tighten up a broken immigration system a racist.

Honenslty,  I'll say thiis again  you don't know what you're talking about and you're also being an asshole about it.
 
2014-05-08 02:44:25 PM  
DrewCurtisJr

It may increase accidents because they will be emboldened to drive more often than they do now.

It may. I get the feeling, though (no kind of data to back it up), that they're not reticent about driving as is. If they're going to drive anyway, it seems better if even only some of them are regulated to some degree. IMO.

Romney talked about enforcement and attrition and we had states pass their own laws only to be challenged by the Obama administration because it would force him to do his job and enforce interior immigration laws.

I just don't see (or hear about) much support from politicians for anything that would deal with the situation. Honestly, the last I recall hearing about from Romney, he supported amnesty/citizenship.

It seems to me that no one save fringe candidates have any desire to deal with illegal migrants in anything but an accepting manner. Given that, the reality at hand, the best that can be done is to attempt to mitigate whatever damage might be done.
 
2014-05-08 02:50:22 PM  

BMFPitt: badaboom: Are you comparing crossing the border illegally and having to (potentially) face consequences like deportation to the treatment of African Americans?

Actually I was providing a direct counterexample to the statement, "My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect."

stonelotus: how many people in that picture can you name without looking it up?

yeah, mad respect yo.

I don't know the name of that Tienanmen Square guy, either, so fark that guy, right Mr. Pinkmann?


I don't know, were you going to use him as an example of respect too?
 
2014-05-08 03:01:37 PM  

badaboom: The #1 rule of immigration is that it supposed to be benfecial for the country accepting the immigrant NOT beneficial for the immigrant. It is NOT fark you I got mine nor is it racist. We can not be the world's repository for anyone and everyone. The citizens of this country have every right to determine who gets to be in the club. And there are plenty of legitimate reasons to limit membership. In fact, putting a throttle on immigration allows us to absorb people and better serve them when they arrive. Annual limits make sense. It prevents the system from being overloaded. It allows the county to determine who or what skills are necessary at any given time. It keeps the diveristy as well. If we can only absorb 500,000 people in a given year for example why is it fair that all 500,000 come from one nation? We the citizens should be in compelte control of who comes here (and why) and who does NOT get to come here (and why). You are a fool if you think this is all race based.


Very well put, too bad many people are idiots and cant grasp this. Either that or they do and dream about seeing our country devolve into some third world shiat hole due to absorbing mainly an uneducated and unskilled workforce.
 
2014-05-08 03:09:42 PM  
I'd be willing to wager that most of the tender-hearted folks in here who support removing immigration quotas are also in favor of a strong social safety net, and see no conflict whatsoever between such a social system and letting in unlimited adults from other countries.
 
2014-05-08 03:13:21 PM  

BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?

About the time immigrants stopped being mostly European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic.


This is what "Progressives" actually believe.
 
2014-05-08 03:14:36 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: I just don't see (or hear about) much support from politicians for anything that would deal with the situation. Honestly, the last I recall hearing about from Romney, he supported amnesty/citizenship.

It seems to me that no one save fringe candidates have any desire to deal with illegal migrants in anything but an accepting manner. Given that, the reality at hand, the best that can be done is to attempt to mitigate whatever damage might be done.


Well let's see some honest debate, and I want the questions answered how this immigration reform bill is good for the U.S. at a time when so many workers can't find jobs. They want to legalize millions of workers which will let them compete with many more Americans for jobs and make it easier to import more foreign workers and relaxing the requirements that they tried to hire an American first.
 
2014-05-08 03:16:29 PM  

vudukungfu: muck4doo: I guess no one wants to pick a fight with a Samoan.

I wouldn't want to cross a Samoan. 
You know what you get when you cross a Samoan with a Mexican?
Samoa-Mexicans.

get it?


lulz.

My point however is that there is too much black and mexican hating in this country. Samoans need their turn. fark that polumalu steeler coont.
 
2014-05-08 03:18:15 PM  
We're all complicit in the illegal immigrant problem. Business likes cheap labor, lefties like cheap votes, and citizens like cheap vegetables (well, buying them. Not many of us are eating them). Stopping illegal immigration means higher costs for businesses and consumers, fewer votes for Democrats, and lazy welfare recipients losing their excuse.
 
2014-05-08 03:19:06 PM  

qorkfiend: Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?


So because they do it anyway, we should just make it legal and remove the associated penalties?

Should we decriminalize murder as well? Because, you know, laws haven't reduced the murder rate to zero.
 
2014-05-08 03:21:41 PM  
I declare April 8th as official hate a Samoan or Steeler day from here on out.
 
2014-05-08 03:22:07 PM  
DrewCurtisJr

Well let's see some honest debate, and I want the questions answered how this immigration reform bill is good for the U.S. at a time when so many workers can't find jobs. They want to legalize millions of workers which will let them compete with many more Americans for jobs and make it easier to import more foreign workers and relaxing the requirements that they tried to hire an American first.

That won't happen. Cheap labor is good for business (and thus, government) interests. Politicians don't care about your standard of living, they don't care about your cultural desires, they don't care about you at all.
 
2014-05-08 03:24:36 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Politicians don't care about your standard of living, they don't care about your cultural desires, they don't care about you at all.


You lie! The dummiecrats care! I read it here on Fark. They would love every bone in my body if they could.
 
2014-05-08 03:27:00 PM  

muck4doo: I declare April 8th as official hate a Samoan or Steeler day from here on out.


Oh shiat, I just realized it is now May. Time to adjust my clock. Goddam daylight savings time.
 
2014-05-08 03:27:55 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Cheap labor is good for business (and thus, government) interests.


Then why are they talking about raising the minimum wage? They only seem to care about labor costs when illegal aliens are involved.
 
2014-05-08 03:28:58 PM  

Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.


Its so cute how you think they don't get things like food stamps, cause economic damage through identity theft, lower market wages, game yheir W2 to receive max tax credits, etc.
 
2014-05-08 03:30:23 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.


Jesus fark, don't give the farking libs any ideas, asshole.  You're not helping
 
2014-05-08 03:32:49 PM  

Danger Mouse: Epic Fap Session: Danger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you  lazy twit.

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws

You ought to watch the name calling.

You should check your facts. (and actually read the entire article you posted, brainiac.

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies">Center for Immigration Studies, an organization that advocates Immigration reduction in the United States, reported in 2004: "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_im migrants_in_ the_United_States#cite_note-63">[63]
The Feb 2011 report "The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on US Taxpayers" from the Federation for American Immigration Reform "estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts [apx $13 billion] do not come close to the level of expenditures..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in _ the_United_States#cite_note-Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform -64">[64]


More fun info for you, Proffesor:

http://www.fairus.org/action/cost-of-illegal-immigration-at-the-stat e- level

(and our prisons would like to have a chat with you about the cost of illegal imigration).


Good, finally somebody provides  good solid proof that there is a huge negative economic impact to this country from this problem.
 
2014-05-08 03:33:00 PM  
For thos who say illegal immagrants don't get benefits, all you have to do is look at Obama's Aunt Zatoonie who lived in this country for years on the dole and when interveiwed was pretty upfront about it.

Or Obama's uncle Oingogoingo who was living here for years...yea the guy who hit a cop car while driving drunk.

/oh those Obamas!
 
2014-05-08 03:33:38 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.


Reentry after first deportation is a crime.... but facts are pesky things.
 
2014-05-08 03:36:37 PM  

ChaosStar: Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on here

If that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.


Amen, brother!
 
2014-05-08 03:38:21 PM  

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Why would anyone bother to come here legally then? Just jump the fence, get free citizenship, free stuff.

Why bother to have immigration laws at all?

They don't get free stuff, they pay taxes and work their asses off. Far harder than lazy entitled faux patriots like yourself who come from dirt poor immigrants who only had to show up to be considered a citizen. Now everyone has to jump through hoops and only the families with money make it the legal way.


Free schooling, free emergency care, food stamps... nope. They don't get anything free.

Is your idiotic assumption truly that tgere is zero cost to illegal immigration?

Google how many trauma 1 care centers are in southern arizona. Google the costs for prison housing of illegal immigrants. Stop being ignorantto one side of the equation. We know you wont research from yesterdays thread though.
 
2014-05-08 03:39:07 PM  
DrewCurtisJr

Then why are they talking about raising the minimum wage?

Talk is cheap. Who makes minimum wage? The pool of people most likely to compete with illegal residents. Wouldn't it suck for the politicians if a metric farkton of people actually got concerned about this issue?
 
2014-05-08 03:45:08 PM  

MyRandomName: Its so cute how you think they don't get things like food stamps, cause economic damage through identity theft, lower market wages, game yheir W2 to receive max tax credits, etc.


And you have evidence this is a problem of scale, right?  You know, like voter fraud.
 
2014-05-08 03:46:25 PM  

ChaosStar: Bob Robert: Welcome to ignore.

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You lucky farker!
 
2014-05-08 03:48:05 PM  
"Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits."

NOT  true

Most lawn care and day laborers do not have phony ID as if the contractor is NOT doing govt work they have no requirement to prove the legality of their workers citizenship/naturalization status.  Hence they can pay a much lower wage since none of them can complain about minimum wage violations.

I work in a school district.  It is a no touch zone for illegals be it the student or the parent.  The amount of money spent on illegals to ensure they get breakfast and lunch and learn to speak English is ridiculous.

Should there be a path to legal status? Yes.  But it should be the same for everyone and breaking thelaws of your intended country of residence should not be the starting point.

Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighbors
 
2014-05-08 03:53:45 PM  

Rabid Gerbil: Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighbors


Yes.  Let's make ourselves more like Mexico.  Such a shining example.
 
2014-05-08 03:56:35 PM  

Khellendros: Rabid Gerbil: Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighbors

Yes.  Let's make ourselves more like Mexico.  Such a shining example.


You sound racist.
 
2014-05-08 03:58:03 PM  

Khellendros: So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?


You are the king of moving goalposts and making up arguments for other people and defending against them.

Congratulations, you master debated yourself.   Nobody said migrant workers pay 28% income tax.
 
2014-05-08 04:09:02 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: So once again, you're claiming that the working poor (minimum wage workers) pay 28% income tax?

You are the king of moving goalposts and making up arguments for other people and defending against them.

Congratulations, you master debated yourself.   Nobody said migrant workers pay 28% income tax.


I walked through every step of my argument and how I didn't move goalposts.  You're just flailing now.

YOUR statement:  "I posted a tax rate (lets call it the tax on milk) and this is garbage to claim this is 'paying taxes' the same as someone paying 28% and you jump in and claim someones knowledge of nominal tax rates is astounding."

You were attempting to equate - in multiple posts - working poor workers as paying 28+% of their income in taxes to illegal aliens paying 4%.  I'll say it again - working poor (migrant workers, minimum wage U.S. workers, however you want to group/classify them) pay almost the same taxes as an illegal alien.  Working poor don't pay 28% income taxes, they pay zero, or close to it, once they file.  They both pay sales and consumer taxes.  And U.S. workers get all of the benefits that illegal aliens don't get.  It's not even close.

You brought up a bone-headed example that is patently false, and got called on it.  There is essentially no difference in taxes paid between the working poor and illegal aliens, and aliens take in FAR less in benefits.  No welfare, medicaid, unemployment, social security, disability, etc.  The tradeoffs on fraud are tiny in comparison to the mass of the federal budget that goes to U.S. citizens that pay very little in taxes.
 
2014-05-08 04:15:23 PM  

muck4doo: Khellendros: Rabid Gerbil: Maybe we should mirror Mexico's immigration policy towards their southern neighbors

Yes.  Let's make ourselves more like Mexico.  Such a shining example.

You sound racist.


How so?  The average person there is a solid, hard working person.  Their government, however, is a corrupt cesspool.  Their laws and political system isn't something to emulate or aspire to.
 
2014-05-08 04:18:14 PM  

Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.


What are you basing that on?
 
2014-05-08 04:20:43 PM  

muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.

What are you basing that on?


Visiting.  Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants.  Just like anyone else, in my experience.
 
2014-05-08 04:26:34 PM  

Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.

What are you basing that on?

Visiting.  Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants.  Just like anyone else, in my experience.


Mexican and Texan. We can be as lazy as anyone else. We can be as hard working as anyone else. What annoys me is when people look at me and have expectations based on the color of my skin.
 
2014-05-08 04:30:22 PM  

Bob Robert: ChaosStar: Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on here

If that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.

You are another angry troll who can't ever debate what I say so you have to drive by insult. I'm not a troll, I stay here and back up my claims. You just can't stand that liberals are educated and have common sense.


Thank you for proving my point repeatedly throughout your nonsensical posts! You lose AND you play baskwtball!
 
2014-05-08 04:45:19 PM  

muck4doo: Khellendros: muck4doo: Khellendros: The average person there is a solid, hard working person.

What are you basing that on?

Visiting.  Also living in Texas which has an abnormally high number of Mexican immigrants.  Just like anyone else, in my experience.

Mexican and Texan. We can be as lazy as anyone else. We can be as hard working as anyone else. What annoys me is when people look at me and have expectations based on the color of my skin.


Too be fair though I was raised in the Bay Area. So that's where the asshole in me was bred.
 
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