unknownshooter: Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?Overstaying a visa might be a misdemeanor, but forging documents so you can steal someone else's identity & work here, skipping out on paying taxes, leeching off public services etc add up to more than just one misdemeanor.What is Mexico's penalty for skipping over the border? What will the Canadians do if you try to take a job from a Canadian? -> hint: it isn't nice..Skipping out on paying taxes, wrong. They pay taxes.Leeching public services? What services do they use? Do you think they apply for food stamps and social security?Another kid of immigrants who just showed up wants to make it harder for a new generation, typical of the conservative "I got mine" mentalityNot at all - My wife went through the process *legally*, it took many years, and cost thousands of dollars - and she is highly educated and an asset to this country.As for leeching public services - one local hospital closed their maternity ward because the illegals were bankrupting the hospital.http://womensenews.org/story/medicine/110120/hospital-maternity-ward s- are-closing-across-us#.U2uZz1e9Z2w
Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: So again I say - your understanding of labor pools and nominal tax rates is astounding. Translation - you don't know what the fark you're talking about, and you're trying to wiggle out of it by claiming I'm moving goalposts.I posted a tax rate (lets call it the tax on milk) and this is garbage to claim this is 'paying taxes' the same as someone paying 28% and you jump in and claim someones knowledge of nominal tax rates is astounding.The point is that claiming they pay their taxes because some worker at 7-11 MAY collect a sales tax is disingenuous.Tell me. What is the nominal income tax rate of someone who has income, but no taxable income.
Danger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws
zjoik: charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a poundlet me tell ya bouth the rabbits george
dropdfun: Constructed to keep people from leaving, kinda retarded to even bring it into the conversation.
badaboom: Epic Fap Session: Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.Which would be?
vudukungfu: charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a poundUh. I did that when I was 13.
BMFPitt: GrizzlyPouch: My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect.[thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com image 631x300]
dropdfun: I have not talked to anyone working in our northern states in some time, maybe policies and procedures have changed up there with various agencies and this has had an effect on them attempting the southern border, that or Canada has been cracking down.
badaboom: Are you comparing crossing the border illegally and having to (potentially) face consequences like deportation to the treatment of African Americans?
stonelotus: how many people in that picture can you name without looking it up?yeah, mad respect yo.
Epic Fap Session: Danger Mouse: Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_lawsYou ought to watch the name calling.
AaronSynn: In any instance, not just this one, I'm bothered by the mentality of 'If enough people break a law, we might as well just say screw it, and reward them for their illegal behavior'.
Bob Robert: The GOP base is white European immigrants, did you really think it was the party of inclusive and racial diversity?
Facetious_Speciest: I'm not a fan of "papers, please" just to get rid of Juan the dishwasher.
Danger Mouse: Proffesor
unknownshooter: Yeah - I know all about how long and expensive the process is to come here legally, the wife did it (from Canada) - it took years and cost thousands of dollars.
LZeitgeist: AaronSynn: In any instance, not just this one, I'm bothered by the mentality of 'If enough people break a law, we might as well just say screw it, and reward them for their illegal behavior'....aaaaaaaand THIS.
The more you eat the more you fart: Deport illegals. Streamline citizenship process. Limit the number of immigrants per year. Anyone caught crossing illegally is immediately made ineligible for citizenship.If we allow amnesty, we will be the only country on the face of the planet that just allows illegal immigrants to cross our border without penalty. Even farkin' FRANCE is tougher on illegal immigrants than we are right now.
Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on here
Danger Mouse: Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: No we did not have unchecked immagration. You do not know what your are talking about.And because I don't want the country overrun with diseasae ridden, criminal welfare cases you call me a racist?Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you're an ass.What requirements were there for people showing up in America like at Ellis Island? Citations pleaseNo crimenals, crazies, or prostitues were allowed in. There were medical exams and an attempt to identify and document who the people were. to the best of our abilities.We also were in a period of unprecedented growth and were litterally giving away land in the west. Why aren't we still giving away land? We also didn't provide free health care, EBT cards, homes, phones etc. People were required to make it on thier own. Not so much now, eh?The world and our society has significantly changed since the turn of the 19 centuary, no? Why would you not want to have background checks and medical exams for people entering the country?Name one country that allows free, unchecked immagration that you would like the US to model after. Please.Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you lazy twit.http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws
Bob Robert: The more you eat the more you fart: Why does one have to be for deporting illegals OR immigration reform?Why and it not be BOTH?Boot out the illegals AND cut some of the red tape that makes it take so long to immigrate legally.America let almost all of your ancestors here just by them crossing the border. Bunch o' hypocritesBoot out all the families that worked hard? Separate them so the kids stay but their parents have to go? You are a sick person.
GrizzlyPouch: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?
Facetious_Speciest: if one apprehends someone for assault, robbery, etc., and the subject is here illegally, passing that information on and holding the person for deportation.
Facetious_Speciest: I just hate the idea of specifically making random people, illegal or not (usually not), demonstrate proof of legal residency. Such practices are "papers, please."
Bob Robert: ChaosStar: Bob Robert: I know you are one of the worst trolls on hereIf that's not the biggest pot and kettle statement I've seen all week, I don't know what it.You are another angry troll who can't ever debate what I say so you have to drive by insult. I'm not a troll, I stay here and back up my claims. You just can't stand that liberals are educated and have common sense.
The more you eat the more you fart: Why does one have to be for deporting illegals OR immigration reform?Why and it not be BOTH?Boot out the illegals AND cut some of the red tape that makes it take so long to immigrate legally.
Bob Robert: The more you eat the more you fart: Youve never worked in a maternity ward FULL of border-crossers who got their wives pregnant on purpose then waited until shevwas 8.5 months to nreak the law just so they can have a kid (on taxpayer's money btw) as a way to under-handedly get citizenship.So..yes. Kick them out.And I am sure you have.ChaosStar: See that's the problem with you Bob, you don't debate you just troll.I've proved my point many times with citations and real world examples. People like you just keep personally attacking me and trolling me without debating the facts, like all the good hypocritical trolls here. Welcome to ignore.
Bob Robert: And they don't target white and asians with those tactics, it's always the mexican-y lookin types
Bob Robert: Welcome to ignore.
Bob Robert: The more you eat the more you fart: Im a liberal.Im just smarter than YOU apparently.I was talking to ChaosStar, did you forget what user name each window was logged into?The more you eat the more you fart: Actually, Bob, I have. Ive been a nurse for 14 years.You are a master of everything. I am sure you have citations that prove your claim about maternity wards.... right? Keep trolling
Bob Robert: The more you eat the more you fart: I dont need citations. I saw it with my own eyes.So I should just study it outThe more you eat the more you fart: I refuted your claimsThat word, it does not mean what you think it meansPloink
Bob Robert: You showed those laws are racist and only target non whites and you think that proves your point?
Bob Robert: And
Bob Robert: And you know who needs to lie about what their job is when trying to prove a point without facts to back their lies up? Trolls."I'm a doctor so I can tell you XYZ is wrong"Nope, you're a lying troll.
The more you eat the more you fart: It means..your claims are wrong...and i AM proof.
muck4doo: I guess no one wants to pick a fight with a Samoan.
udhq: The more you eat the more you fart: It means..your claims are wrong...and i AM proof.Well, as a fighter pilot, I can confirm that you don't exist.See how that works? We're on the internet where anyone can say anything, and none of it means shiat.
The more you eat the more you fart: Bob Robert: And you know who needs to lie about what their job is when trying to prove a point without facts to back their lies up? Trolls."I'm a doctor so I can tell you XYZ is wrong"Nope, you're a lying troll.What were you saying? Lol
The more you eat the more you fart: Except im not claiming to be a fighter pilot.
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