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(SacBee)   The U.S. government has a problem with states handing out driver licenses to illegal immigrants. Hey Feds, you might want to look into the crime of Sanctuary Cities while you're at it   (blogs.sacbee.com) divider line 388
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2014-05-08 11:37:56 AM

Bob Robert: jayphat: The air force and marines need to practice bombing runs. Sounds like a perfect deterrent.

They need to practice? Why do they need to practice? There are plenty of people America bombs every day that they get plenty of practice on. You sound like a strong advocate for a military dictatorship here in America. Scary.


Lol wut? You do know that personnel stationed here in the US go on practice runs all the time, yes?
 
2014-05-08 11:38:07 AM

Thunderpipes: And it is not our problem. Maybe if they fixed their craphole of a country, they wouldn't need to infest ours.


Bullshiat.   We've created the demand, they're just providing the supply.
 
2014-05-08 11:41:01 AM

udhq: Thunderpipes: And it is not our problem. Maybe if they fixed their craphole of a country, they wouldn't need to infest ours.

Bullshiat.   We've created the demand, they're just providing the supply.


Nah, there's at least two criminals involved. The one who is hired and the one that hires. Actually, three maybe. Add on the one that enjoys the lower prices created by the other two criminals.
 
2014-05-08 11:41:11 AM

badaboom: Joe USer: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.

I'm sure someone who is in the country illegally will TOTALLY buy and keep valid insurance.


So, 100% of them won't. Absolutely none, knowing that they're going to be arrested if they don't have it. ZERO. None, zilch, null, etc.
 
2014-05-08 11:42:13 AM
In any instance, not just this one, I'm bothered by the mentality of 'If enough people break a law, we might as well just say screw it, and reward them for their illegal behavior'.
 
2014-05-08 11:43:52 AM

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Democrats need their votes.

boring repeating troll is boring

From the party that does everything to limit voting rights of citizens today, this is just more white boy cries wolf.


Boring but true.

I don't understand liberals utter failure to recognize why unchecked immagration is a bad idea .
 
2014-05-08 11:43:52 AM

Bob Robert: white boy cries


this is right wing political punditry in a nutshell.
 
2014-05-08 11:44:14 AM

Joe USer: badaboom: Joe USer: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.

I'm sure someone who is in the country illegally will TOTALLY buy and keep valid insurance.

So, 100% of them won't. Absolutely none, knowing that they're going to be arrested if they don't have it. ZERO. None, zilch, null, etc.



lol - now we're back with the whole "it's not a "crime" thing"..  in most states, no insurance is a ticket..  no plates is a ride in a police car..  or are you proposing a "double standard" for those who have violated our borders?
 
2014-05-08 11:44:35 AM

Bob Robert: and reminding me about the plight of some Asians who came here long ago as if that is relevant at all today. Stop trolling.


This is evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

Bob Robert: There is no difference except back then there weren't racist quotas and requirements that only make middle and upper class people get in.


And like when you make the ridiculous claim that illegal immigrants don't use hospitals.
 
2014-05-08 11:46:49 AM

AaronSynn: In any instance, not just this one, I'm bothered by the mentality of 'If enough people break a law, we might as well just say screw it, and reward them for their illegal behavior'.


Reward them by making them pay money and take tests while reducing the number of untrained and unlicensed drivers.

There's a reward in there all right, it's for everyone else on the road.
 
2014-05-08 11:47:51 AM

Mcavity: You Are All Sheep:

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

Umm Yes. Yes it is.


http://immigrationroad.com/green-card/immigration-flowchart-roadmap- to -green-card.pdf

Or if you want the simple breakdown..

http://wikifreccia.wikispaces.com/file/view/immigration%20graphic.jp g/ 347266900/immigration%20graphic.jpg


well then that's ridiculous.  We should really streamline and simplify our process and don't make it cost so much.
 
2014-05-08 11:47:53 AM

Thunderpipes: Johhny Wad: Thunderpipes: So liberals want to completely abolish all immigration laws.

This will be fun.

It worked so well when Regan did  it.....

People who enter a country illegally should not be granted citizenship.  We need to secure the boarders and enforce current immagration law before we even begin to discuss an amenesty program.

Never happen. Illegals actually have more rights here than we do now. Democrats need their votes. eventually, amnesty will happen, conservatives will never win another national election, and the country is pretty much done.

Because you know next on the list will be affirmative action programs that penalize whites further. Quotas in government. Mass discrimination, and an absolute explosion in welfare and crime, like we are not bad enough as it is.

17 trillion in debt? We will shoot for 100 trillion in debt withing the next 50 years. Do liberals understand math enough to compute interest?


Sadly you are correct. It's like they are hell bent on burning this farker to the ground. They will bankrupt the country, anarchy will ensue. ..but then a dictator will come in to power and set liberalism back a few hundred years.
 
2014-05-08 11:48:29 AM

qorkfiend: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.

Why do you think that would prevent them from driving? What resources does saying "Ok, you're allowed to drive" drain?


I say go for it. The ID specifically states that it isn't good for federal purposes. It isn't a portal to federal subsidies and will at least give the state some sort of documentation about where these people live.

Realistically, you probably aren't going to get most illegals into the system as most are weary about getting on gov't lists, but at least it will bring in more money for the state in license fees and more money to the insurance companies (assuming that buy insurance). I know how concerned Fark is about ins companies getting their profits up.
 
2014-05-08 11:49:15 AM

Bob Robert: jayphat: Lol wut? You do know that personnel stationed here in the US go on practice runs all the time, yes?

And all without actively operating on American soil, if they want real live targets they can get shipped overseas to any one of the numerous undeclared war zones.


Who said ANYTHING about live targets? I said turn it into a bombing range. You cross onto a live fire bombing range, that's your problem.
 
2014-05-08 11:49:34 AM

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: Democrats need their votes.

boring repeating troll is boring

From the party that does everything to limit voting rights of citizens today, this is just more white boy cries wolf.


You mean the Democrats?

Funny you think the only right that should not be regulated at all is voting, so you can get illegals and dead people to elect Democrats.

hippiecrit.

Liberals are nothing more than bigots, racists, and trolls. News at 11:00.
 
2014-05-08 11:52:21 AM

unknownshooter: Joe USer: badaboom: Joe USer: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.

I'm sure someone who is in the country illegally will TOTALLY buy and keep valid insurance.

So, 100% of them won't. Absolutely none, knowing that they're going to be arrested if they don't have it. ZERO. None, zilch, null, etc.


lol - now we're back with the whole "it's not a "crime" thing"..  in most states, no insurance is a ticket..  no plates is a ride in a police car..  or are you proposing a "double standard" for those who have violated our borders?


If you've kept up with the latest from the Supreme Court you will know that police officers can arrest for any violation. If they think you're a menace, they'll take you off the street. They also have the option to tow your car and you get to walk home to plan your court date.
 
2014-05-08 11:53:28 AM

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: You mean the Democrats?

Funny you think the only right that should not be regulated at all is voting, so you can get illegals and dead people to elect Democrats.

hippiecrit.

Liberals are nothing more than bigots, racists, and trolls. News at 11:00.


AAAAnnd the derp is turned up to 10 when you lost the argument


I won the argument, I always do.

Libs just can't do anything but cry, like you just did.

You are like fat spoiled children, just need a good smack in the mouth.
 
2014-05-08 11:53:48 AM

Bob Robert: America had over a century of unchecked immigration, it turned into the most powerful and richest country in the world, your white boy cries wolf is noted and laughed at


Bob Robert: and reminding me about the plight of some Asians who came here long ago as if that is relevant at all today.


So long ago is only relevant when you are trying to make your point, noted and laughed at.
 
2014-05-08 11:53:50 AM
I'm sure it's been said, but I have more of a problem with their handing them out to goddamn idiots.  I really don't care where they have citizenship, I just want them to know how to farking drive.
 
2014-05-08 11:55:18 AM

violentsalvation: We can't keep these people out, we've tried.


Not really, our attempts are almost laughable compared to what we could be doing.
 
2014-05-08 11:56:17 AM

Thunderpipes: Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: You mean the Democrats?

Funny you think the only right that should not be regulated at all is voting, so you can get illegals and dead people to elect Democrats.

hippiecrit.

Liberals are nothing more than bigots, racists, and trolls. News at 11:00.


AAAAnnd the derp is turned up to 10 when you lost the argument

I won the argument, I always do.

Libs just can't do anything but cry, like you just did.

You are like fat spoiled children, just need a good smack in the mouth.


You need to go into detail on how you smack people in the mouth, but only as long as they're smaller than you and defenseless.
 
2014-05-08 11:57:42 AM

Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?


It's not even a misdemeanor. It's not a crime at all. It's considered a civil offense.
If it were a criminal act, then any duly sworn law enforcement agent could arrest illegal aliens.
 
2014-05-08 11:58:22 AM

Bob Robert: Thunderpipes: You mean the Democrats?

Funny you think the only right that should not be regulated at all is voting, so you can get illegals and dead people to elect Democrats.

hippiecrit.

Liberals are nothing more than bigots, racists, and trolls. News at 11:00.


AAAAnnd the derp is turned up to 10 when you lost the argument


See this derp? It goes to 11.
 
2014-05-08 12:01:11 PM

Bob Robert: your trolling is boring as fark man, try harder next time to actually address the facts I bring up and the citations I provide, all you can do is talk over me and keep going back to unrelated sob stories that have nothing to do with the topic. Get off your Chinese addiction.


You mean the fact that only Republicans of European ancestry are against illegal immigration or that illegal immigrants don't use healthcare?
 
2014-05-08 12:01:26 PM
dropdfun

Not really, our attempts are almost laughable compared to what we could be doing.

I agree that we probably could, but do we really want to? Leaving aside the corporate/government interests that seem to be pretty clearly saying "no," how do the rest of us feel about increased security and the like? I'm sure we've all seen the videos of "citizenship checkpoints" well within our borders...is that the kind of thing we really want to have, much less increase? We'd have to, to catch the ten to twenty million people illegally residing here.

I'm not a fan of "papers, please" just to get rid of Juan the dishwasher. YMMV.
 
2014-05-08 12:01:59 PM
www.experience-germany.com

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
 
2014-05-08 12:02:33 PM

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: How do you get a license with no social security number? I'm sure they're at a permanent and legal address, too. And they'll all pay for insurance becase they don't need to eat and stuff. On their income, that'll be the first thing that gets skipped.

They are using someone elses ssn that is how the businesses pay them in the first place and why at least half are estimated to be paying taxes. this large off the books illegal working population hasnt existed for many years.


You are SO ignorant.  My head hurts.
 
2014-05-08 12:05:59 PM

Friction8r: Sadly you are correct. It's like they are hell bent on burning this farker to the ground. They will bankrupt the country, anarchy will ensue. ..but then a dictator will come in to power and set liberalism back a few hundred years.


Except for the inconvenient fact that the federal government is not in debt.
 
2014-05-08 12:07:28 PM

Bob Robert: Joe USer: You need to go into detail on how you smack people in the mouth, but only as long as they're smaller than you and defenseless.

And only when they can ccw their favorite gun, and have their bros right behind them. Get these loud mouthed cowards alone and they are shy kids sitting alone in the corner. I remember one when I played basketball at a local park always talked shiat, but only with his bros were there with him. I told him how tough he acted when his buddies were around as backup and he stfu after that.


You play basketball!
 
2014-05-08 12:08:03 PM

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: Boring but true.

I don't understand liberals utter failure to recognize why unchecked immagration is a bad idea .

America had over a century of unchecked immigration, it turned into the most powerful and richest country in the world, your white boy cries wolf is noted and laughed at


No we did not have unchecked immagration. You do not know what your are talking about.

And because I don't want the country overrun with  diseasae ridden, criminal welfare cases you call me a racist?


Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you're an ass.
 
2014-05-08 12:08:09 PM
 
2014-05-08 12:09:44 PM
Deport illegals. Streamline citizenship process. Limit the number of immigrants per year. Anyone caught crossing illegally is immediately made ineligible for citizenship.

If we allow amnesty, we will be the only country on the face of the planet that just allows illegal immigrants to cross our border without penalty. Even farkin' FRANCE is tougher on illegal immigrants than we are right now.
 
2014-05-08 12:09:47 PM

Two16: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

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One thing the left seldom considers when they profess for open borders is how this can change a nation from within. Borders are what create a country. Within these borders we have certain values and ideas, especially when it comes to freedom, liberty, and civil rights. It is the people within those borders that determine the rules. Without borders we could risk these ideals if there is a seismac demographic change. It is a good thing to keep out those who do not or will not share our values. One example on how this played out was Prop 8 (gay marriage) in California

"Los Angeles County -- the state's most populous -- is particularly interesting to look at. In LA County, Prop. 8 won a narrow majority of 50.1 percent. But, President Obama carried the county with a whopping 69 percent.
The discrepancy?  African American voters, who were overwhelmingly in favor of banning same sex marriage (http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/CAExitPollGayMarriage.pdf">7 0 percent supported Proposition 8) even as they supported Obama even more heavily (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=CAP00p1">94 percent).  And, to a lesser degree, Hispanic voters followed that same trend -- backing Prop. 8 by a 53 percent to 47 percent margin while giving President Obama 74 percent."


Not everyone in the world shares your same views on women's rights, gay rights, etc. Imagine a US populace so changed that those ideals are threatened.
 
2014-05-08 12:11:00 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Deport illegals. Streamline citizenship process. Limit the number of immigrants per year. Anyone caught crossing illegally is immediately made ineligible for citizenship.

If we allow amnesty, we will be the only country on the face of the planet that just allows illegal immigrants to cross our border without penalty. Even farkin' FRANCE is tougher on illegal immigrants than we are right now.


And get rid of quotas saying for so many from one country we have to take so many from another.
 
2014-05-08 12:16:51 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: [www.experience-germany.com image 400x300]

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."


Constructed to keep people from leaving, kinda retarded to even bring it into the conversation.

On a side note I was there when that biatch came down, our German language class took a field trip to the wall and 13 year old me went to town on a section of that sucker with a hammer.
 
2014-05-08 12:17:18 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: [www.experience-germany.com image 400x300]

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."


My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Muslims taking over Mexico and moving north into the US. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2014-05-08 12:17:53 PM
If they are not a citizen, fine give them a license if they pass the test and pay the fee. But put in a prominent place Citizen of Saudi Arabia Citizen of Canada Citizen of Mexico or whatever country they are citizens of. What is wrong with that might I ask?
 
2014-05-08 12:24:01 PM

durbnpoisn: You Are All Sheep: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

The last time I had a FarkArgument about this, it was quite well shown that it IS indeed very difficult, time consuming, and expensive for someone to become a citizen.    The amount of hoops they have to jump through are ridiculous.


Very true.  A friend has been working in the U.S. on a legal immigrant status card for several years.  I even found out last night that his american born, german ancestry wife back when they first met went on a first date with him when he didn't know a word of english at all.

Once a year (or was it twice...) he had to spend at least 2 weeks a year in Mexico in order to keep his status.  He's very proud of the citizenship and voter I.D. he finally earned last year.  And the American passport that's now in his hands that he received last week.
 
2014-05-08 12:24:14 PM

Nadie_AZ: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: [www.experience-germany.com image 400x300]

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Muslims taking over Mexico and moving north into the US. I guess it's pretty serious.


 BP agents not wearing radiation detectors because they are worried about some poor schmuck trying to make a better life for themselves or the family they left behind south of the border.

Actually as someone that sometimes deals with the BP due to my work and has one as a neighbor and a high school friend that is also a BP agent, according to them the amount of OTM's as they put it has increased a lot in the past decade. Oddly enough even Chinese are using the southern border to get her illegally, some of those I have had to deal with after the fact of them getting here.
 
2014-05-08 12:24:28 PM

Bob Robert: jayphat: Who said ANYTHING about live targets? I said turn it into a bombing range. You cross onto a live fire bombing range, that's your problem.

Your dream is to turn the border into the no mans land like in Berlin? How badly brainwashed by conservative military propaganda are you?


Yes. Because we artificially separated two countries and are clearly trying to keep people in the hands of Soviet Oppression™.
 
2014-05-08 12:25:43 PM

Transubstantive: You Are All Sheep: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

If you want to come from a country like Mexico, the waiting list is current in the 15-25 year range. So yes, it is that hard. Don't have opinions on things you don't know about.


So how is this wait-list America's problem?  The problem is that there are too many of them, and we can't help that.  Life sucks.
 
2014-05-08 12:31:15 PM

dropdfun: Oddly enough even Chinese are using the southern border to get her illegally, some of those I have had to deal with after the fact of them getting here


This has roots in the late 1800s and early 1900s, historically. I'm a little surprised it is still going on, but this isn't new.
 
2014-05-08 12:31:37 PM

GrizzlyPouch: My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect.


thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com
 
2014-05-08 12:33:27 PM

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Lol - math much?

Let's see how this works - you're losing money on 40 million uninsured people, and then you increase that loss by 20%

Nah - that won't hurt a bit!

Increase what loss? People have access to cheap insurance now, the old system is gone.


That's funny . My insurance and copay went up for some reason .
 
2014-05-08 12:33:29 PM

unknownshooter: Yes.  Deny them housing, healthcare, driver's licenses & offer them nothing except a bus ticket out of the country.

The only reason "getting tough" never worked, is because we never even tried to "get tough" - Landlords can be required to get a real I.D. from the people they're renting to.  Law Enforcement can pretty easily detain those they encounter - and checking to see if there are two people using the same social-security number at the same time for an employer is kinda simple.  It's a mess at first, but it gets easier as the herd of criminals gets smaller and smaller.

No bank accounts, no mortgages, no jobs, no licenses, no rentals - and a trip to the ER results in a patch-job and a trip home.


Everything you just said is so wrong that I don't even know where to start to tell you why it's wrong. Which leaves me with just one question: What color is the sky in the world you live in?
 
2014-05-08 12:38:01 PM

BMFPitt: GrizzlyPouch: My point was laws are laws, and breaking them is not something that should earn respect.

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Are you comparing crossing the border illegally and having to (potentially) face consequences like deportation to the treatment of African Americans?
 
2014-05-08 12:38:39 PM
Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.
 
2014-05-08 12:39:27 PM

Nadie_AZ: dropdfun: Oddly enough even Chinese are using the southern border to get her illegally, some of those I have had to deal with after the fact of them getting here

This has roots in the late 1800s and early 1900s, historically. I'm a little surprised it is still going on, but this isn't new.


No its not new but has not been a common thing for some time now. Has been more so a thing of the northern border after they made their way into Canada either legally or illegally then crossing over from there. Just kind of odd that there has been somewhat of an influx of it happening on the southern border now when that hasn't been the case for some time. Who knows though, I have not talked to anyone working in our northern states in some time, maybe policies and procedures have changed up there with various agencies and this has had an effect on them attempting the southern border, that or Canada has been cracking down.
 
2014-05-08 12:40:00 PM

Bob Robert: Danger Mouse: No we did not have unchecked immagration. You do not know what your are talking about.

And because I don't want the country overrun with diseasae ridden, criminal welfare cases you call me a racist?


Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you're an ass.

What requirements were there for people showing up in America like at Ellis Island? Citations please


No crimenals, crazies,  or prostitues were allowed in. There were medical exams and an attempt to identify and document who the people were. to the best of our abilities.

We also were in a period of unprecedented growth and were litterally giving away land in the west. Why aren't we still giving away land?  We also didn't provide free health care, EBT cards, homes, phones etc. People were required to  make it on thier own. Not so much now, eh?

The world and our society  has significantly changed since the turn of the 19 centuary, no?  Why would you not want to have background checks and medical exams for people entering the country?

Name one country that allows free, unchecked immagration that you would like the US to model after. Please.

Oh and since you're woefully incapable of researching US imigration here's a link to help you with the history of Imagration law in the US, you  lazy twit.

http://www.fairus.org/facts/us_laws
 
2014-05-08 12:43:46 PM

Epic Fap Session: Let's apply the same laws and standards today to Mexican immigrants that were applied to all the European immigrant ancestors that many Farkers are proud to cite.


Which would be?
 
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