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(SacBee)   The U.S. government has a problem with states handing out driver licenses to illegal immigrants. Hey Feds, you might want to look into the crime of Sanctuary Cities while you're at it   (blogs.sacbee.com) divider line 388
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2014-05-08 10:45:39 AM  

BMFPitt: Nutsac_Jim: The roommate agreement clearly states no overnight guests, so they get kicked out.

And that's what we are saying we should change.  Reading is fundamental.


Why change it.  It is perfect as it is.
 
2014-05-08 10:45:45 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: Gonz: Actually, I think there should be 4 facilities: New York, San Diego, Miami, and Laredo. Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.It would cut down on illegal immigration real quick.

Whoa now, Laredo is great for export businesses. Do you know what that'd do to the rates of getting material there to freight forwarders I work with?

Make it El Paso, no one cares about that city.


Look, I just needed somewhere fairly centrally located on the border. Laredo's got I-35, so there's infrastructure in place. Besides, if you put the facility in El Paso, people would say "I'd rather stay in my third-world nation than go there".

How 'bout we split the difference. Eagle Pass?
 
2014-05-08 10:46:12 AM  

BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?

About the time immigrants stopped being mostly Northern European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic Italian and Slavic.


There, that's closer to how it happened.

Immigration Act of 1924 (from WP)
 
2014-05-08 10:47:06 AM  

Cold_Sassy: qorkfiend: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.

Why do you think that would prevent them from driving? What resources does saying "Ok, you're allowed to drive" drain?

It doesn't.  So what's the difference, except for another crapload of our tax dollars are going toward a 'license' for illegal aliens?  I object to that.


If they don't have a license, they CAN'T get insurance.  At least if they can get licenses, SOME of them will buy insurance.  And having an ID that illegals can BUY at the DMV won't drain a "crapload of our tax dollars".  It's no different than an ID card, or an "under 21" license.
 
2014-05-08 10:47:06 AM  

tricycleracer: I'd rather they drive without licenses, because 'Murrica.


I'd rather they don't drive at all .
 
2014-05-08 10:47:12 AM  

JoieD'Zen: While we're at it can we require all employees of gov't agencies in public service jobs be able to sprik engrish?


Who wonna second world war, you so smart?
 
2014-05-08 10:47:30 AM  

qorkfiend: Why do you think that would prevent them from driving?


If you would couple that with them actually being detained and deported when they are caught driving without a license and found out to be illegal immigrants it would prevent a lot of them from driving.
 
2014-05-08 10:47:30 AM  

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


Relevant
 
2014-05-08 10:47:46 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..


They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.
 
2014-05-08 10:48:01 AM  
Let me tell you something about the Mexican. . .

/ducks.
 
2014-05-08 10:48:09 AM  

Stone Meadow: The REAL ID Act, passed in 2005, established minimum standards for drivers licenses and stipulated that licenses for residents without legal status must bear a distinctive marking.

You mean something like this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 531x480]


Really? You think having a distinctly different license, something normally kept in a wallet, is the equivalent of labeling the Jews by the Nazis? Pathetic.

 You do realize that CA already has different licenses marked for different reasons. Like if you are under 21 your license is different.
 
2014-05-08 10:48:22 AM  

fatandolder: Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: You know what? They don't. That's the problem. They're here ILLEGALLY.

You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.

My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.


You just answered your own question.
 
2014-05-08 10:48:45 AM  
Most illegals don't compete with me for jobs.  So sure, help them out.

Now if you really want to help the STEM workers out, get rid of the damn H1B visa program.
 
2014-05-08 10:48:53 AM  

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


Uh. I did that when I was 13.
 
2014-05-08 10:49:07 AM  
Screw it, libs. If our laws don't matter and we just let in all the Mexicans that want to come in, then how about if the U.S. just goes ahead and annexes Mexico? That's right. Take over their country, develop the hell out of every resort community, and pillage all of their resources...ESPECIALLY oil?
 
2014-05-08 10:49:34 AM  

awshat: If they arrived in the US illegally then they're criminals


Being in the country illegally isn't a criminal offense, numbnuts. It's a civil offense.
 
2014-05-08 10:50:17 AM  

Joe USer: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

They're still going to be here and drive. You get to choose, do you want them untested, unlicensed, uninsured and driving or tested, licensed, insured and driving?

They're going to pay for the license and test like everyone else, so it's not free. I really don't see the issue, this improves safety.


I'm sure someone who is in the country illegally will TOTALLY buy and keep valid insurance.
 
2014-05-08 10:50:37 AM  

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


The farm I get my strawberries from is picked by regular employees. Sure its about 20% more expensive than the store, but whatever. They wouldn't have to rope bored white teenagers into picking for 35 cents a pound. They'd offer them $10 an hour or so and would have plenty of applicants.
 
2014-05-08 10:50:38 AM  

Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?


Well, in some cases, B&E is also a misdemeanor (intent is the key), so he's got a point. I'm not sure I agree with him, but he's got a point.
 
2014-05-08 10:50:46 AM  
 

Khellendros: Nutsac_Jim: Is 4% = 32% ? They do jobs nobody else is willing to work below minimum wage to do. So, they do work nobody is willing to do simply because they are there affecting the worker pool. That's a fantastic reason to keep them.

Your understanding of nominal tax rates and labor pools is astounding.


As is your ability to move goalposts.  You do that as a 1099, or get paid under the table?
 
2014-05-08 10:51:02 AM  
Anybody here tried to get a license renewed lately?
-- Proof of citizenship: Birth certificate that meets a checklist of criteria for validity -- if it doesn't meet them, you have to order a new one.
-- Proof of legal residence.
-- Proof of legal presence.

blah blah blah.

CSB:
Went to apply for a new passport.
I had my old, long-expired one with me along with my birth certificate, which was issued back when the Earth was cooling. The clerk wouldn't use my BC as proof of citizenship, but she used my old passport that expired more than 15 years ago. I had obtained that expired passport using another expired passport, which was obtained using another expired passport, which I had obtained using ... the very same birth certificate I had in hand. So anyway. Passport applied for, all was well, and after we finished the submission process, I asked the clerk why some birth certificates weren't accepted anymore.
She pointed out some patriotastic law passed in 2011 that sets out the criteria for a valid birth certificate.
We went down the list and my BC had all of the required features. Go figure.

The more you know...
 
2014-05-08 10:52:11 AM  

Bob Robert: Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.


Right no benefits, who do you think pays when they go to the hospital?
 
2014-05-08 10:52:12 AM  

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?


Overstaying a visa might be a misdemeanor, but forging documents so you can steal someone else's identity & work here, skipping out on paying taxes, leeching off public services etc add up to more than just one misdemeanor.

What is Mexico's penalty for skipping over the border?  What will the Canadians do if you try to take a job from a Canadian?  -> hint: it isn't nice..

Skipping out on paying taxes, wrong. They pay taxes.

Leeching public services? What services do they use? Do you think they apply for food stamps and social security?

Another kid of immigrants who just showed up wants to make it harder for a new generation, typical of the conservative "I got mine" mentality


Not at all - My wife went through the process *legally*, it took many years, and cost thousands of dollars - and she is highly educated and an asset to this country.

As for leeching public services - one local hospital closed their maternity ward because the illegals were bankrupting the hospital.

http://womensenews.org/story/medicine/110120/hospital-maternity-ward s- are-closing-across-us#.U2uZz1e9Z2w
 
2014-05-08 10:52:22 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: And yet, thousands of people from other countries, and very many whom are educated at that, wait 7-10 years to get proper documentation to become citizens here. We should adopt Canada's requirements.


I'm glad they decided to come here out of choice and with the means to support themselves and not out of desperation to feed their families and themselves because their origin country has large areas of massive shiat holes. Shiat hole enough that the poor wages they're paid under the table to work a field trump whatever honest work they could find down there. A lot of them want to come here to better themselves or their their families. That's exactly why many other immigrants from several other countries came here. I don't see why we make it so expensive to be a part of this country so that so many have to sneak in. They are no different then others that come here legally with the exception that those others were successful in their own country enough to be able to afford to come here.

And that's it. It comes down to money. Not fences, not security. Money. You don't have money, we don't want you here.
 
2014-05-08 10:52:52 AM  

SpdrJay: Which planets are these aliens from, and why doesn't the government to tell us that we have been invaded?


If you're talking space aliens, i.e., another species, then the word is infested, not invaded
 
2014-05-08 10:52:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


Its progressive and pro-Reagan.  Everybody wins.
 
2014-05-08 10:53:32 AM  

RottenEggs: tricycleracer: I'd rather they drive without licenses, because 'Murrica.

I'd rather they don't drive at all .


So would most people (except the employers who enjoy having the cheap day-laborers and are tired of driving to Home Depot to pick them up in the morning) but just denying the fact that they do drive is not a valid option. If we give them a path to license and purchase insurance we could reduce the impact/cost of accidents.
 
2014-05-08 10:53:37 AM  
so is anyone checking their immunization records when they jump the fence?
 
2014-05-08 10:53:49 AM  
said it before and will do so again. we should just simplify the process of becoming a citizen. Whatever constraints are placed on an American to become a citizen in your home country are the exact same as we place on you. eg: if I move to Thailand and wish to stay, I need to open a bank acct with a minimum of $10,000 USD and cannot own any property there. ergo, somebody from Thailand that wants to move here must open a bank acct in same amount and can never own property here.
 
2014-05-08 10:53:53 AM  

Bob Robert: Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants.


You may want to think about that a little bit.
 
2014-05-08 10:54:45 AM  

stonelotus: so is anyone checking their immunization records when they jump the fence?


[x] Tetanus

I'm good.
 
2014-05-08 10:55:20 AM  

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
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Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.
ROTFLMAO

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2014-05-08 10:55:49 AM  

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: I'm talking about things like social security and medicare, for people who actually were born here and paid the taxes for it their whole lives. Is that so hard to understand? And, by the way I work for a living and don't lay claim to ANY handouts, I'm just tired of paying for people who don't and shouldn't even be in the farking country. Got it?

Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.


Are you serious?

Most work under the table, pay no taxes. Many receive benefits, free of charge. Much of the cash they make is sent back to Mexico. Know how much money it costs for an illegal to have a kid at a hospital? Oh ya, hospital cannot even ask if they are a citizen or report them at all.

Are people really this ignorant?
 
2014-05-08 10:55:56 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..


Tee-hee. Oh *you.*
 
2014-05-08 10:55:59 AM  

BMFPitt: Nutsac_Jim: The roommate agreement clearly states no overnight guests, so they get kicked out.

And that's what we are saying we should change.  Reading is fundamental.


That is the best type of house rental, where one of your roomates just lets other people stay at your house.   Don't like paying for a 4br house and expecting 3 roommates but getting 25?
Have a cup of shut the eff up.  Those other 22 residents?  they were invited!
 
2014-05-08 10:56:12 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Khellendros: Nutsac_Jim: Is 4% = 32% ? They do jobs nobody else is willing to work below minimum wage to do. So, they do work nobody is willing to do simply because they are there affecting the worker pool. That's a fantastic reason to keep them.

Your understanding of nominal tax rates and labor pools is astounding.

As is your ability to move goalposts.  You do that as a 1099, or get paid under the table?


I didn't move the goalposts at all.  I argued that they pay taxes, and get almost none of the benefits of state and federal benefits (unemployment, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc) that make up the bulk use of paid taxes.  You then made a stupid remark about worker pools and 4% not equaling 32%.  Since they do work that most average folks - even working class - simply don't want the worker pools issue is moot.  White kids from the suburbs are never going to pick lettuce.  And they pay far more than 4%, as consumer taxes are more than sales tax.  And no one in the working class pays anywhere near 32% in income taxes, and they get a TON of federal benefits for what they do pay - the aforementioned SS, medicare, welfare, etc, etc.  No goalpost moving at all.

So again I say - your understanding of labor pools and nominal tax rates is astounding.  Translation - you don't know what the fark you're talking about, and you're trying to wiggle out of it by claiming I'm moving goalposts.
 
2014-05-08 10:56:33 AM  

Cold_Sassy: fatandolder: Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: You know what? They don't. That's the problem. They're here ILLEGALLY.

You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.

My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.

You just answered your own question.


I think I was going for Bob Robert.
 
2014-05-08 10:57:07 AM  
Let's look at the hypocrisy of Mexico's rules regarding illegal immigration.  Here's what's on their books:
 Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

/But hey, breaking US immigration laws is A-OK.  You know, since they have so much money and stuff.  They need to share with us.
//Don't try that shiat here!  We'll bust your sorry ass.
 
2014-05-08 10:57:34 AM  
Look, I'm as racist as the next guy, but it's not the DMV's job to care about your citizenship status.  Did you pass the driver's test?  Congratulations, you're licensed to drive.
 
2014-05-08 10:58:46 AM  

Bob Robert: They are afraid to go to the hospital for fear of being found and deported


Nonsense. Deported by who?

Bob Robert: Think about what? Your ancestors just showed up at the door and were let in. They showed up at the door. There is no difference except back then there weren't racist quotas and requirements that only make middle and upper class people get in.


You think everyone's ancestors came here voluntarily huh? And you may want to look up the Chinese exclusion act.
 
2014-05-08 10:58:47 AM  

Bob Robert: You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.


Wait are you seriously saying that 'we've been doing it for so long, just keep doing it instead of imposing laws and orders'?

I'm married to a legal immigrant so getting a kick and all out of this but the rules are there for a reason. Saying 'fark it cuz some stuff is hard' earns a self righteous 'go fark yourself'. Immigrating from a 3rd world country is a biatch. But so is life. Learn to deal.
 
2014-05-08 10:59:07 AM  
Those who want to post opinions that defend the United States and the rule of law will be shouted down so save your breath.
 
2014-05-08 11:00:30 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..


THIS.

A THOUSAND FARKING TIMES, THIS.

Jeebus Cripes, why isn't this exactly the same as ANYTHING ELSE that's ILLEGAL?

ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!! *runs off screaming, ripping hair out by the handfuls*
 
2014-05-08 11:01:49 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?


yes and what costs?
 
2014-05-08 11:01:51 AM  

serial_crusher: Look, I'm as racist as the next guy, but it's not the DMV's job to care about your citizenship status.  Did you pass the driver's test?  Congratulations, you're licensed to drive.


Then why do they care if you are under 21? Those under 21 get a completely different drivers license. It's even vertical.
 
2014-05-08 11:01:54 AM  

Bob Robert: fatandolder: My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.

Riiight... they probably showed up at Ellis Island like most and if they could breathe they became citizens.

Every hypocrite here complaining about illegals comes from the same type of immigrants. There were no legal holes you had to jump through like there are today, you are the I got mine fark you generation.


So when did you come though Ellis Island, that you know how easy it was for everyone?
 
2014-05-08 11:02:00 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-08 11:02:02 AM  

Bob Robert: unknownshooter: Not at all - My wife went through the process *legally*, it took many years, and cost thousands of dollars - and she is highly educated and an asset to this country.

As for leeching public services - one local hospital closed their maternity ward because the illegals were bankrupting the hospital.

http://womensenews.org/story/medicine/110120/hospital-maternity-ward s- are-closing-across-us#.U2uZz1e9Z2w


Hospitals had financial problems due to the uninsured and the insured who had their policies dropped once they became too expensive, leaving the hospitals with no one to pay. You do not understand the situation and thus are typical of all conservatives whose simple minds love to blame the one scapegoat.


Lol, no, not a conservative at all - uninsured pregnant women (even if they're not here legally) get "free" healthcare..

eventually, the "free" kills the hospital, or they stop offering maternity services entirely..  seen it with my own eyes..  did my nursing OB clinicals at the maternity ward down the street, - that's now closed..

Once the crotch-fruit is out, it's "American", an anchor baby & we can't deport momma, becuz it's not "fair" to break up families...
 
2014-05-08 11:02:19 AM  

bigworld2000: I find it intriguing that the people most concerned with invasive plants coming in and taking over are often big supporters of immigrants.


Well, yeah. I mean, who the hell else am I going to hire to pull the invasive plants from out of my garden?
 
2014-05-08 11:02:19 AM  

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


Ave. Weight = 23.5 grams = 19 strawberries/lb.   To make $15/hr., you'd have to pick 43 lbs per hour, or 817 strawberries per hour, or 1 strawberry every 4.5 seconds.   For 10 hours a day? Bent over in the Sun? With bugs, bees, snakes and shiat?
 
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