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(SacBee)   The U.S. government has a problem with states handing out driver licenses to illegal immigrants. Hey Feds, you might want to look into the crime of Sanctuary Cities while you're at it   (blogs.sacbee.com) divider line 388
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2014-05-08 10:26:39 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: pueblonative: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?

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Well legally and under the current system, Yes. Yes he does.
 
2014-05-08 10:26:43 AM  

qorkfiend: Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?



I have to have a driver's license and insurance to drive a car on public roads. Not having either on of those is not a deterrent to driving for an illegal alien. At least, that is what I glean from reading the news reports of hit and runs around here.
 
2014-05-08 10:26:57 AM  

qorkfiend: Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?


Sure as hell didn't stop the one who t-boned my cousin and ran, leaving her with a busted diaphragm (not that kind), guts going into the wrong spots, and busted bones everywhere.
 
2014-05-08 10:27:34 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..


I would prefer that they actually take a driver's test though. Better they drain resources (roads?) from people than kill people because they can't recognize a stop sign.
 
2014-05-08 10:27:44 AM  

JackieRabbit: Why don't we just do away with the concept of citizenship altogether and just open our borders to anyone and everyone to come here and do as they please? Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration? It isn't a left vs right issue and never has been.


You talk as if immigration has never been an issue before now...

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2014-05-08 10:27:53 AM  
I've got a real simple solution. It's been proven to work, too. Chances are, it worked for most of all our collective forefathers.

Ready? Here goes: Re-open Ellis Island.

Actually, I think there should be 4 facilities: New York, San Diego, Miami, and Laredo. Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.

It would cut down on illegal immigration real quick.
 
2014-05-08 10:28:02 AM  
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Hot Mexican girls.
 
2014-05-08 10:28:21 AM  

Cold_Sassy: qorkfiend: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.

Why do you think that would prevent them from driving? What resources does saying "Ok, you're allowed to drive" drain?

It doesn't.  So what's the difference, except for another crapload of our tax dollars are going toward a 'license' for illegal aliens?  I object to that.


They pay for those licenses, the same as how you and I pay for ours.
 
2014-05-08 10:28:28 AM  

Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.


You know what?  They don't.  That's the problem.  They're here ILLEGALLY.
 
2014-05-08 10:29:37 AM  

cwheelie: charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound

So, at about 100 pounds a young blonde one would run me about $35? Oh, you said ROPE
nevermind


That and the true payment is closer to 15-20 cents a bushel of Strawberries, and a bushel should weigh about 38-39 lbs. Therefore, we should be paying them about 1/2 cent per pound.
 
2014-05-08 10:29:51 AM  

Gonz: Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.


You forgot to fix their last names.

Rodrgiquez? You're now Rodgers.
Santana? You're now Smith.
Garcia? You're now Grady.
 
2014-05-08 10:30:54 AM  

Khellendros: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You're right.  It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Yeah, they're such resource drains.


Is 4% = 32% ?   They do jobs nobody else is willing to work below minimum wage to do.  So, they do work nobody is willing to do simply because they are there affecting the worker pool.  That's a fantastic reason to keep them.
 
2014-05-08 10:31:29 AM  

BunkoSquad: JackieRabbit: Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration?

About the time immigrants stopped being mostly European and started being mostly Asian and Hispanic.


An illegal European or Asian would be almost immediately deported if caught because they won't work for pennies on the dollar. Hispanics are our new Negroes and are being shamefully exploited. Meanwhile American citizens have a hard time finding work in the skilled trade because they won't build a house for $4/hr and work six 12 hour days each week.
 
2014-05-08 10:31:36 AM  

mjbok: The thing I don't understand is how these people can walk around with their giant balls. They basically go into a government building, admit that they are there illegally and ask for a driver's license?


Those who are brought here by their parents as infants are often never get told that they're illegal until they reach this rite of passage.
 
2014-05-08 10:32:01 AM  
FunkyBlue:

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.

Yeah - I know all about how long and expensive the process is to come here legally, the wife did it (from Canada) - it took years and cost thousands of dollars.

You wanna make it cheaper and easier to sneak in?

How about, " GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass? "
 
2014-05-08 10:32:11 AM  

pueblonative: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?


I'm talking about things like social security and medicare, for people who actually were born here and paid the taxes for it their whole lives.  Is that so hard to understand?  And, by the way I work for a living and don't lay claim to ANY handouts, I'm just tired of paying for people who don't and shouldn't even be in the farking country.  Got it?
 
2014-05-08 10:32:16 AM  

Gonz: Actually, I think there should be 4 facilities: New York, San Diego, Miami, and Laredo. Check the immigrant's health, run a quick background check, administer an oath, and, congratulations. You're American. Welcome to the Land of Opportunity.It would cut down on illegal immigration real quick.


Whoa now, Laredo is great for export businesses. Do you know what that'd do to the rates of getting material there to freight forwarders I work with?

Make it El Paso, no one cares about that city.
 
2014-05-08 10:33:14 AM  
 The federal government has rejected California's initial design for new driver's licenses to be offered to immigrants in the country illegally, saying the cards fall short of security safeguards.
That was close. Don't want to put those two words together back to back.

 
Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2014/05/california-immigran t-license-design-rejected-by-homeland-security.html#storylink=cpyThe federal government has rejected California's initial design for new driver's licenses to be offered to immigrants in the country illegally, saying the cards fall short of security safeguards.
Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2014/05/california-immigra n t-license-design-rejected-by-homeland-security.html#storylink=cpy
 
2014-05-08 10:33:36 AM  

monoski: Remove the quotas. limits
I think that is more where you meant to go.


Quotas can be either a minimum or a maximum.  That is the term that is actually used in immigration law, so that's what I used.
 
2014-05-08 10:33:54 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: pueblonative: Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license.  They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them.  This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?

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thank you :)
 
2014-05-08 10:34:17 AM  

Stone Meadow: The REAL ID Act, passed in 2005, established minimum standards for drivers licenses and stipulated that licenses for residents without legal status must bear a distinctive marking.

You mean something like this?

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You are an idiot!
 
2014-05-08 10:34:56 AM  

charlesmartel11235: nunyadang: I do not know what the answer is but the whole situation is a colossal  fark up.

We spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding agencies whose purpose is to stop people from entering the country illegally.

Then we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on agencies to help the illegal immigrants once they arrive.

It is so ridiculously counter intuitive that only the government can do it

My 2 cents

1 find a way to secure the border
2 once the border is secure figure out plan to either deport or grant amnesty to those here.
3 adjust the immigration numbers to ensure an adequate work force. I mean someone needs to work to pay taxes to support the lazy Americans not working.
4 try to ensure that Mexico continues to grow economically to lesser the need for thier citizens to leave.


That is my rough plan. If anyone from the Obama Administration has any questions, hit me up on Fark, I am sure we can figure something out.

1 is pretty hard. There's a whole lot of border



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/has an idea
 
2014-05-08 10:35:03 AM  

FunkyBlue: You Are All Sheep: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then?  how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally?  or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen?  Or because they are criminals?

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.


And yet, thousands of people from other countries, and very many whom are educated at that, wait 7-10 years to get proper documentation to become citizens here.  We should adopt Canada's requirements.
 
2014-05-08 10:35:15 AM  
Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk

You talk as if immigration has never been an issue before now...

Inb4 someone links to the professor that claims NINA was a myth.
 
2014-05-08 10:35:58 AM  

BMFPitt: Nutsac_Jim: If someone broke in to your house, can they be prohibited from being removed by asserting that you want them out of your house 'just because' ?  No.  It is because they have no permission to be there.

The problem being that you share the house with 300 million roommates and you want to be able to kick their friends who were invited out.


The roommate agreement clearly states no overnight guests, so they get kicked out.
 
2014-05-08 10:36:21 AM  
It's better when unlicensed drivers are on the road and the state cannot collect any fees from licensing.
 
2014-05-08 10:38:05 AM  

charlesmartel11235: no opinion but I'd love to see y'all try to rope bored white teenagers into picking strawberries for 35 cents a pound


let me tell ya bouth the rabbits george
 
2014-05-08 10:38:12 AM  
So how is it that these states can get Driver Licenses to Illegal's living in the shadows, but can get ID's to citizens to vote with?
 
2014-05-08 10:38:32 AM  
Maybe we will get a President who doesn't like murder laws. Then we can have sanctuary cities for murder! Yay!

Not like it is the President's job to, you know, make sure the laws are faithfully executed. Obamacare? Just change it or ignore it as you please. Immigration laws? Nah, who cares. Murder? Why not?

Why have laws at all, if you can ignore them as you please?
 
2014-05-08 10:38:37 AM  

BMFPitt: monoski: Remove the quotas. limits
I think that is more where you meant to go.

Quotas can be either a minimum or a maximum.  That is the term that is actually used in immigration law, so that's what I used.


Thanks, I read quota as target #
 
2014-05-08 10:39:06 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: The roommate agreement clearly states no overnight guests, so they get kicked out.


And that's what we are saying we should change.  Reading is fundamental.
 
2014-05-08 10:40:08 AM  

Bob Robert: Friction8r: Liberals want amnesty for Illegal Immigrants to sign them up as democrat voters. Film at 11.

Except according to so many Republicans, illegals are very religious and conservative, they just need to learn the Republican platform and then they will vote GOP.


Citation needed.
 
2014-05-08 10:40:42 AM  

Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?


Yes
 
2014-05-08 10:41:00 AM  

Bob Robert: GrizzlyPouch: So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor and yet you are comparing it to breaking and entering?



Overstaying a visa might be a misdemeanor, but forging documents so you can steal someone else's identity & work here, skipping out on paying taxes, leeching off public services etc add up to more than just one misdemeanor.

What is Mexico's penalty for skipping over the border?  What will the Canadians do if you try to take a job from a Canadian?  -> hint: it isn't nice..
 
2014-05-08 10:41:25 AM  

violentsalvation: And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names


Manuel Labor.
 
2014-05-08 10:41:46 AM  

Brick-House: So how is it that these states can get Driver Licenses to Illegal's living in the shadows, but can get ID's to citizens to vote with?


They're not actually forcing anyone to get a driver's license.
 
2014-05-08 10:41:58 AM  

Bob Robert: Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens.


*Offer not valid for African Americans.*
 
2014-05-08 10:42:22 AM  

Bob Robert: Friction8r: Liberals want amnesty for Illegal Immigrants to sign them up as democrat voters. Film at 11.

Except according to so many Republicans, illegals are very religious and conservative, they just need to learn the Republican platform and then they will vote GOP.


Hispanic = Illegal?
 
2014-05-08 10:43:14 AM  

Thunderpipes: Why have laws at all, if you can ignore them as you please?


the illegals should just claim affluenza
 
2014-05-08 10:43:17 AM  

qorkfiend: Query.

Does anyone seriously think that not having a driver's license would prevent an illegal immigrant from driving?


Having been hit twice by the no habla english no insurance types no it doesn't but the big question is does it keep these undocumented democrats from voting?


I am for a conditional amnesty -guest worker /visa program that would but them at the very back of the line for any chance citizenship with the normal conditions for visa holders.  Of course those convicted of crimes get shipped back.




Child molester deported seven times, charged with DUI in Pa.

Plus increase border security to include armed troops with authority to shot back.




Mexican troops Invade US, Shoots Tucson Man

Read more at http://joeforamerica.com/2014/05/mexican-army-invades-us-shoots-tucson -man/#ZWi6d0YgLB4D6Fxk.99

Armed Mexicans Attack Unarmed National Guard Troops on US Soil
 
2014-05-08 10:43:39 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Is 4% = 32% ? They do jobs nobody else is willing to work below minimum wage to do. So, they do work nobody is willing to do simply because they are there affecting the worker pool. That's a fantastic reason to keep them.


Your understanding of nominal tax rates and labor pools is astounding.
 
2014-05-08 10:43:39 AM  

unknownshooter: FunkyBlue:

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.

Yeah - I know all about how long and expensive the process is to come here legally, the wife did it (from Canada) - it took years and cost thousands of dollars.

You wanna make it cheaper and easier to sneak in?

How about, " GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass? "


GTFO hasn't worked. "Come on in everyone" hasn't worked either. Got a better solution? Everyone is interested.

The local newspaper ran an article a few years ago about different countries and their approach to immigration (illegal and legal) and they ran the gamete totally open border to totally closed and the answers really were about the same: nothing seemed to really work.

So let's stop being stupid children who want to see the world as black and white and start actually coming up with ideas. I've an idea. Let's start helping Mexico be a place that Mexicans want to live in. If it is a great place, they'll start wanting to stay. How many Americans do you see going to Mexico or Guatemala to live? I mean that they'd sneak across the desert and undergo hardships to live in those countries.
 
2014-05-08 10:43:53 AM  

charlesmartel11235: 1 is pretty hard. There's a whole lot of border


Not hard, just ridiculously expensive.  It's going to take a hell of a lot more than anything Republicans have ever proposed.
 
2014-05-08 10:44:00 AM  
NO, No, and no...  If they arrived in the US illegally then they're criminals, and should be prosecuted as criminals. Most countries would just throw you in jail.  Not the US - no - here you'll get rewarded.  There are plenty of people following the immigration rules, and it isn't like the US doesn't hire people in other countries and bring them to the US to work and live.  What does happen is that the illegal immigrants arrive in the US, work and get paid under the counter, allowing businesses to avoid paying the taxes or a fair wage, and the immigrants rarely become anything more than common serfs.  We're all for cheap labor.

Follow the money.
 
2014-05-08 10:44:11 AM  

Solty Dog: At least they will be able to vote if we get them all drivers licenses. So, that's a good thing.


A state driver license makes you a citizen?
 
2014-05-08 10:44:11 AM  

Khellendros: add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants


I don't suppose the reason nobody wants those jobs is that businesses have a large pool of cheap labor available to exploit.
 
2014-05-08 10:44:40 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: 1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.


Illegal immigration is in fact a crime. A nonviolent, low level crime, but most definitely a crime. It's a crime in every major nation that requires passports and visas. That's why all of these countries arrest you if you run through a customs checkpoint.u

It's a non-violent crime but it most definitely has consequences for any developed country if they ignore it.

Also pretending that it's not illegal, and referring to them as "immigrants" just makes you look like a douchebag in the eyes of many. An immigrant is someone who arrived here with a passport and visa.
 
2014-05-08 10:44:54 AM  

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: You know what? They don't. That's the problem. They're here ILLEGALLY.

You can't just create a new system after over a hundred years of allowing anyone to enter and become citizens and then complain that the new people don't follow the ridiculous and burdensome rules. Your ancestors showed up on the shores and were automatically made citizens. You are a hypocrite for demanding more of anyone else.


My ancestors went through a legal process to become US citizen. I do not understand the hypocrisy you speak of.
 
2014-05-08 10:45:06 AM  

Bob Robert: Cold_Sassy: I'm talking about things like social security and medicare, for people who actually were born here and paid the taxes for it their whole lives. Is that so hard to understand? And, by the way I work for a living and don't lay claim to ANY handouts, I'm just tired of paying for people who don't and shouldn't even be in the farking country. Got it?

Fun fact every working illegal pays all those taxes because they are using someone elses identity but will never actually claim the benefits.


actually no..  they typically claim lots of dependents so there is no withholding, and there's a person behind all of those stolen identities that gets to explain themselves & deal with six kinds of hell (sometimes for years on end).
 
2014-05-08 10:45:38 AM  
Um...goverment isdued ID's to people who are not here legally and who probably do not carry car insurance since they cannot get a social security number?

Great idea!

While we're at it...amnesty for everybody!
 
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