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(Ohio.com)   Responsible, law-abiding gun owner stands his ground against a groundhog, but at 165 feet wasn't able to tell it was actually his 22-year-old employee   (ohio.com) divider line 222
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2014-05-08 09:17:09 AM
Conservatives still suspiciously silent about Renisha McBride...
 
2014-05-08 09:35:35 AM
She was lying prone doing some target practice when she got shot?  Yikes.  The groundhogs around that farm ain't nothin' to f*ck wit.
 
2014-05-08 10:36:05 AM
Mmmmmm, maybe we should test elderly people, like we do for driver's licenses, to see if they can properly handle guns, clearly identify targets like farmers' markets.

/Really sad thing a young woman died for utterly nothing.
 
2014-05-08 10:52:21 AM
first rule of hunting is see what you shoot. Who shoots when they see some grass moving?
 
2014-05-08 10:53:28 AM
'mortally wounded', someone must have been 1 word short of their required length.
 
2014-05-08 10:53:32 AM
 
2014-05-08 10:53:44 AM

ModernPrimitive01: first rule of hunting is see what you shoot. Who shoots when they see some grass moving?


When you've got the chance to kill a human "legally"? Apparently, the line forms on the right.
 
2014-05-08 10:53:48 AM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-05-08 10:53:58 AM
Troll Subby. Troll Mod.

That's what she gets for looking so much like a groundhog!
 
2014-05-08 10:54:48 AM
I am sure we will soon be told this is a terrible accident and that no one should be charged.
 
2014-05-08 10:55:13 AM
Maybe she should have been working instead of goofing off and this wouldn't have happened...

Just sayin.....
 
2014-05-08 10:56:44 AM
Over and over again.
 
2014-05-08 10:57:54 AM

AirForceVet: Mmmmmm, maybe we should test elderly people, like we do for driver's licenses, to see if they can properly handle guns, clearly identify targets like farmers' markets.

/Really sad thing a young woman died for utterly nothing.


Try saying that the elderly need more frequent testing for drivers licenses and you will have the AARP down your throat before you can take your next breath.

Doesn't matter how true it is... and how many stats you can show .. They will literally END YOU if you bring that up in Washington.
 
2014-05-08 10:58:16 AM
FTA: "No charges have been filed"

Seriously? If I plowed through a red light and splattered a crossing pedestrian I'd go down for vehicular manslaughter. This requires about an order of magnitude more negligence.

Also; for the country fans.
 
2014-05-08 10:58:25 AM

charlesmartel11235: Conservatives still suspiciously silent about Renisha McBride...


The shooter is getting tried for 2nd degree murder.  Is there some point you're trying to make?
 
2014-05-08 10:58:40 AM
"No charges have been filed"

Whenver I see that sentence I always ask myself if the same would be true if the shooter had been black.
 
2014-05-08 10:59:09 AM

Felgraf: I am sure we will soon be told this is a terrible accident and that no one should be charged.


TFA implies just that. The asshole is 79. A life sentence means nothing.

The civil suit filed by her family, however, will hopefully break him, transfer ownership of the farm and everything else he owns to her family, and leave him penniless in the 30th street station on cold January night.
 
2014-05-08 10:59:14 AM
Accidental head shot from 165 feet away? This guy needs to become a sniper.

"I didn't even mean to do that! Think if I had tried!"
 
2014-05-08 10:59:18 AM
What a groundhog might look like.

img01.funeralnet.com
 
2014-05-08 10:59:18 AM
This man is 79 years old, and able to get a headshot from 165ft, yet he couldn't tell it was a human being he was shooting at?

sketchy as f*ck
 
2014-05-08 10:59:21 AM
Another fatal accident. I'm starting to get numb.
 
2014-05-08 10:59:46 AM

tallen702: Maybe she should have been working instead of goofing off and this wouldn't have happened...

Just sayin.....


In the US, we are given breaks from work by law.  Maybe she was using one of those?

Or, maybe, she lives on the property? Maybe he told her to improve her aim bc of the groundhog presence, and had reason to believe she'd be out there?

Article is leaving out details.  But I'm guessing the only two people who were there that day were the shooter and the victim.
 
2014-05-08 11:00:18 AM
Photo of the suspect:

img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-08 11:00:44 AM

AirForceVet: Mmmmmm, maybe we should test elderly people, like we do for driver's licenses, to see if they can properly handle guns, clearly identify targets like farmers' markets.

/Really sad thing a young woman died for utterly nothing.


Exactly. I'll give the old guy in TFA credit for hitting his target, but truth is, if you are starting to go blind  to where you have difficulty identifying your target, you have no business using a firearm.

/Or driving, for that matter.
 
2014-05-08 11:00:56 AM
'groundhog' = lazy farm hand in Canton.

Good fer nuttin should-int be shootn when she shoulda been workin.


/165 feet is not that far
//79 doesn't need to be locked up.  take away his guns and give his farm to the girls parents, he can work for them until he dies.
 
2014-05-08 11:01:19 AM

H31N0US: Felgraf: I am sure we will soon be told this is a terrible accident and that no one should be charged.

TFA implies just that. The asshole is 79. A life sentence means nothing.

The civil suit filed by her family, however, will hopefully break him, transfer ownership of the farm and everything else he owns to her family, and leave him penniless in the 30th street station on cold January night.


Now, now, hasn't he suffered enough?! After all, he shot his own employee! Why, that should e all the punishment he needs.

/if my tongue was any further in my cheek I'd violate the pauli exclusion principle.
//But there ARE folks about here who.. well. Have taken similar views on similar tragedies.
 
2014-05-08 11:01:34 AM

enochianwolf: This man is 79 years old, and able to get a headshot from 165ft, yet he couldn't tell it was a human being he was shooting at?

sketchy as f*ck


She wouldn't fark him.

Burn him.
 
2014-05-08 11:01:46 AM

zarker: Another fatal accident. I'm starting to get numb.


Comfortably?
 
2014-05-08 11:01:53 AM
Look, these things aren't inevitable from firearm ownership, and not impossible without them, but statistical affect exists.
 
2014-05-08 11:03:32 AM
Now admittedly I was 8-9 when I red those NRA gun safety books/comic books but I seem to recall rule #1 of all hunting is to verify your target before shooting.  If you cannot see it plain and clear DON'T TAKE THE SHOT.


Ya know what? I have a modest proposal to clear up all this bickering about gun control:

How about we all agree that we should not try to take guns away from responsible non-criminal, non insane gun owners on the one hand, but on the other Define "responsible gun ownership" as following the NRA's own rules for safe gun handling and storage, and make any violation of those rules a per se criminal offense

what'day say? We have a deal everybody?
 
2014-05-08 11:04:01 AM
I'd be much more comfortable with guns if things like this were significantly prosecuted.

A gun is a deadly intstrument.  You should be liable, both criminally and civilly, when something like this happens.

If you're defending yourself from an actual threat, fine.  If you're wrong, big jail time.  The use of deadly force should be a decision, not an instinct.
 
2014-05-08 11:04:02 AM

ikanreed: Look, these things aren't inevitable from firearm ownership, and not impossible without them, but statistical affect exists.


Uh. I'm pretty sure it would be hard to shoot someone with a gun without actually having a gun. Well. I suppose if you have superpowers you could.
 
2014-05-08 11:04:10 AM

Walker: Accidental head shot from 165 feet away? This guy needs to become a sniper.

"I didn't even mean to do that! Think if I had tried!"


if you can't hit a target at that range with a scoped rifle, he'll even iron sights, you shouldn't be near one anyway.

 Sounds like this guy shouldn't have anyway because he, like the idiot in Montana with the kid in his garage, broke a cardinal rule of handling a firearm of 'know your target and what's behind it'. Stop shooting blindly idiots!
 
2014-05-08 11:04:37 AM

yakmans_dad: ModernPrimitive01: first rule of hunting is see what you shoot. Who shoots when they see some grass moving?

When you've got the chance to kill a human "legally"? Apparently, the line forms on the right.


apparently Pastorius went about it the wrong way
 
2014-05-08 11:04:48 AM
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nice doggy
 
2014-05-08 11:06:24 AM

Felgraf: Uh. I'm pretty sure it would be hard to shoot someone with a gun without actually having a gun. Well. I suppose if you have superpowers you could.


You have to give the crazies the (somewhat misleading) point that you can murder without a gun.
 
2014-05-08 11:06:52 AM

smallerGov: 'groundhog' = lazy farm hand in Canton.

Good fer nuttin should-int be shootn when she shoulda been workin.


/165 feet is not that far
//79 doesn't need to be locked up.  take away his guns and give his farm to the girls parents, he can work for them until he dies.


gonna say that,  165 ft = 50 yards, which is pistol shooting distance, at least when I target shot regularly.  at 50 yards even with a .22 LR -chambered bolt action rifle, I'd be ashamed of my self if I didn't put five in the 10 ring on a  silver dollar sized pistol target.
 
2014-05-08 11:09:26 AM

vicioushobbit: tallen702: Maybe she should have been working instead of goofing off and this wouldn't have happened...

Just sayin.....

In the US, we are given breaks from work by law.  Maybe she was using one of those?

Or, maybe, she lives on the property? Maybe he told her to improve her aim bc of the groundhog presence, and had reason to believe she'd be out there?

Article is leaving out details.  But I'm guessing the only two people who were there that day were the shooter and the victim.


Wrong.  The US doesn't require any employer to give breaks.  That is a state right.  I don't know every states laws but most are an at will employment meaning if they don't allow for breaks then shut up or quit.

/you guys enjoying your meal.. good.. well it is time for my break.  be back in 15 minutes.  enjoy...
//Doctor, where are you going in the middle of surgery.... sorry, lunch break.
 
2014-05-08 11:10:27 AM

ikanreed: You have to give the crazies the (somewhat misleading) point that you can murder without a gun.


A throwing axe at 165 feet would certainly be a lot more impressive...
 
2014-05-08 11:11:22 AM
Responsible gun owners accidentally kill a lot of people.
 
2014-05-08 11:11:51 AM

skozlaw: ikanreed: You have to give the crazies the (somewhat misleading) point that you can murder without a gun.

A throwing axe at 165 feet would certainly be a lot more impressive...


Like I said, statistical affect(not effect this time, guys).
 
2014-05-08 11:12:30 AM

Gunther: FTA: "No charges have been filed"

Seriously? If I plowed through a red light and splattered a crossing pedestrian I'd go down for vehicular manslaughter. This requires about an order of magnitude more negligence.


www.aerojockey.com

Sometimes the police don't file charges right away and wait for the invesitagation to conclude.
 
2014-05-08 11:14:50 AM
Poor guy has to hire another farm hand. Something tells me the position may be hard to fill?
 
2014-05-08 11:17:07 AM

aerojockey: Gunther: FTA: "No charges have been filed"

Seriously? If I plowed through a red light and splattered a crossing pedestrian I'd go down for vehicular manslaughter. This requires about an order of magnitude more negligence.

[www.aerojockey.com image 200x150]

Sometimes the police don't file charges right away and wait for the invesitagation to conclude.


come on, In this country once your guilty in the court of public opinion, you should be in jail and lose all of your possessions before an investigation is through. By that time we've found another story to be outraged about, so it should never take more than 12 hours.
 
2014-05-08 11:17:43 AM

Magorn: Now admittedly I was 8-9 when I red those NRA gun safety books/comic books but I seem to recall rule #1 of all hunting is to verify your target before shooting.  If you cannot see it plain and clear DON'T TAKE THE SHOT.


Ya know what? I have a modest proposal to clear up all this bickering about gun control:

How about we all agree that we should not try to take guns away from responsible non-criminal, non insane gun owners on the one hand, but on the other Define "responsible gun ownership" as following the NRA's own rules for safe gun handling and storage, and make any violation of those rules a per se criminal offense

what'day say? We have a deal everybody?


Except everybody is responsible until they make the news for not being responsible, and by then somebody is hurt and or dead. So it's not so much a modest proposal as an ineffective one.
 
2014-05-08 11:19:07 AM
According to CDC statistics, 117 people will die today in automobiles. 5-6 times that number will die from heart disease.

The handful of "gun-deaths" will get ALL the media exploited attention.

I have no problem with a smart,sensible discussion of firearm safety. I am not one of those NRA/brainwashed assholes.....I just have my facts straight. For every person who dies today from this so called "gun violence epidemic" ....at least a dozen people will die from hospital infections.
 
2014-05-08 11:19:09 AM

Magorn: Now admittedly I was 8-9 when I red those NRA gun safety books/comic books but I seem to recall rule #1 of all hunting is to verify your target before shooting.  If you cannot see it plain and clear DON'T TAKE THE SHOT.


Ya know what? I have a modest proposal to clear up all this bickering about gun control:

How about we all agree that we should not try to take guns away from responsible non-criminal, non insane gun owners on the one hand, but on the other Define "responsible gun ownership" as following the NRA's own rules for safe gun handling and storage, and make any violation of those rules a per se criminal offense

what'day say? We have a deal everybody?


Good idea.  I'd expand on it a little: Require that all firearms be registered to a legal owner.  Anyone caught with an un-registered firearm-confiscation, criminal charges, fines.  Then, hold the legal gun owner strictly liable for any accident, injury, or death that is caused by his/her legally owned, registered firearm.  If your guns are all legal, and if you store, transport, and use them safely, you'll never have a problem, even if you have to use them in self-defense.  If you're a dumba$$ who leaves them loaded out in the open, cleans them with "one in the pipe", shoots at iffy shapes in tall grass for kicks, etc., then the grown ups will take your gun away and make sure you don't injure or kill anybody else.
 
2014-05-08 11:19:28 AM

Shadow Blasko: Try saying that the elderly need more frequent testing for drivers licenses and you will have the AARP down your throat before you can take your next breath.

Doesn't matter how true it is... and how many stats you can show .. They will literally END YOU if you bring that up in Washington.


Kansas is a pretty red state.  We've gone red in the national elections for 50 years.  We also test drivers over the age of 64 more frequently than those between the ages of 21 and 64.   Also family members (and some others) can write to the DMV to have elders they suspect of having driving difficulties to get their abilities reviewed:

Driver Review
Department of Revenue
Attn: Director of Vehicles
915 SW Harrison, Room 100
Topeka, KS 66626


/AARP doesn't have much sway here I guess.
 
2014-05-08 11:19:43 AM

Shadow Blasko: AirForceVet: Mmmmmm, maybe we should test elderly people, like we do for driver's licenses, to see if they can properly handle guns, clearly identify targets like farmers' markets.

/Really sad thing a young woman died for utterly nothing.

Try saying that the elderly need more frequent testing for drivers licenses and you will have the AARP down your throat before you can take your next breath.

Doesn't matter how true it is... and how many stats you can show .. They will literally END YOU if you bring that up in Washington.


Several states actually have a way to report a dangerous driver and then the licensing bureau basically issues a "show cause" to the dangerous driver, proving that they can pass the test again or their license gets pulled. It varies who can report the old guy from state to state, but I believe in at least a few places, it's anybody familiar with the situation. Generally speaking, though, it's going to be a doctor, a cop, or a family member.

Of course, there's nothing like a universal gun owner's license, so it's not really relevant at all to this thread.
 
2014-05-08 11:20:00 AM

howdoibegin: Magorn: Now admittedly I was 8-9 when I red those NRA gun safety books/comic books but I seem to recall rule #1 of all hunting is to verify your target before shooting.  If you cannot see it plain and clear DON'T TAKE THE SHOT.


Ya know what? I have a modest proposal to clear up all this bickering about gun control:

How about we all agree that we should not try to take guns away from responsible non-criminal, non insane gun owners on the one hand, but on the other Define "responsible gun ownership" as following the NRA's own rules for safe gun handling and storage, and make any violation of those rules a per se criminal offense

what'day say? We have a deal everybody?

Except everybody is responsible until they make the news for not being responsible, and by then somebody is hurt and or dead. So it's not so much a modest proposal as an ineffective one.


isn't that the same with everything though, drunk drivers, rapists, child molesters etc. they were all probably law abiding citizens before committing a crime. What we really need are those pre-crime units DARPA is inventing so we can see into the future, I saw the research notes at a theater a few years ago.
 
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