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(The New Yorker)   Hey remember that time that Reagan let a bunch of Americans get killed, and the Dems wharrrrgrbled non-stop for years afterward? Me neither   (newyorker.com) divider line 277
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2014-05-07 06:08:11 PM  
The most popular response to everyone pointing out the myriad of farked up shiat that went down under Reagan and the Bushes was, "Well you were too stupid to prosecute them, like we're doing with Benghazi". So even their scandals are the fault of the left.
 
2014-05-07 06:33:58 PM  
FTFA: If you compare the costs of the Reagan Administration's serial security lapses in Beirut to the costs of Benghazi, it's clear what has really deteriorated in the intervening three decades. It's not the security of American government personnel working abroad. It's the behavior of American congressmen at home.

So much ^^THIS^^. Just STFU and do your damned jobs, congressmen, and stop grandstanding at every opportunity. Capitol Hill has become nothing but a roiling cesspool of whores and jackals squabbling over everything and accomplishing nothing.
 
2014-05-07 06:34:44 PM  
So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
i.imgur.com
Well there is one guy.
 
2014-05-07 06:37:15 PM  
The Republicans have just become so vile, it's a national embarrassment.

Never forget the Iraq invasion!
 
2014-05-07 06:39:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.


It wasn't investigated 5 times regardless of not finding anything worth the effort.
 
2014-05-07 06:43:00 PM  
Which time? You have to be more specific.
 
2014-05-07 06:52:52 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.


LOL, really?

/no, really?
 
2014-05-07 06:56:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.


You mean the one guy that has been lionized by those folks?
 
2014-05-07 06:58:32 PM  
The story in Beirut wasn't over. In September of 1984, for the third time in eighteen months, jihadists bombed a U.S. government outpost in Beirut yet again. President Reagan acknowledged that the new security precautions that had been advocated by Congress hadn't yet been implemented at the U.S. embassy annex that had been hit. The problem, the President admitted, was that the repairs hadn't quite been completed on time. As he put it, "Anyone who's ever had their kitchen done over knows that it never gets done as soon as you wish it would." Imagine how Congressman Issa and Fox News would react to a similar explanation from President Obama today.

If Obama said something similar, Sean Hannity would might actually blow a blood vessel live on the air. That douchie idiot from The Five who doesn't wear tie would challenge Obama to a fight and punch a camera. Gretchen Carlson might actually cry.
 
2014-05-07 07:05:17 PM  
Wow. Just wow.  Anybody remember when the president lied through his teeth and was forced to resign because of it?  Nixon remembers.
 
2014-05-07 07:07:53 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Wow. Just wow.  Anybody remember when the president lied through his teeth and was forced to resign because of it?  Nixon remembers.


For covering up politically motivated criminal activities? Sounds about right.
 
2014-05-07 07:16:59 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-07 07:24:47 PM  
It isn't the lying  pols that gets me. It's the number of supposedly educated Americans who blindly believe them.
 
2014-05-07 07:28:44 PM  
I still remember that vividly. Beirut, one of the most liberal open cities in the Middle East, and we went through three bombings in a year and a half I think? It was truly shocking. It wasn't really that long after Tehran. So it was really painful to have something like that happen in a place that we had mostly been welcome in and safe. And had mostly been on our best behavior in. 

It's absolutely despicable the way the GOP is exploiting what happened in Benghazi. 

They have no shame.
 
2014-05-07 07:32:28 PM  
At the end Reagan didn't remember either.
 
2014-05-07 07:39:53 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.


Wow.  That is some weak-ass shiat.
 
2014-05-07 07:51:02 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.

Wow.  That is some weak-ass shiat.


I'll pile on for that. North is a shiatbag EX Marine. Reagan was a scumbag and his administration the most corrupt in modern history.
 
2014-05-07 08:14:17 PM  

Ambivalence: The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.

It wasn't investigated 5 times regardless of not finding anything worth the effort.


I remember days and days of testimony from various people...maybe weeks.  All televised.  I don't think you'd support Obama being sworn under oath to testify on this would you?  I wouldn't either.  But when there are weeks of hearings with the president forced to testify, let me know
 
2014-05-07 08:17:52 PM  
Republicans are terrified Hillary will run. This is what this all about. They know they have nothing to run other than shiat thrown at a fan.

At least they are thinking ahead for once.
 
2014-05-07 08:21:44 PM  

Chris Ween: But when there are weeks of hearings with the president forced to testify, let me know


When it's serious enough for the President to testify, let me know.

fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-05-07 08:27:57 PM  

djkutch: Chris Ween: But when there are weeks of hearings with the president forced to testify, let me know

When it's serious enough for the President to testify, let me know.


Even GW Bush didn't sell weapons to an enemy state then turn the cash from those traitorous sales to fund an illegal war, tacitly supporting crimes against humanity.

GW Bush is a war criminal, though, and so is the top layer of his administration. They should be tried in The Hague. Reagan should have spent his remaining ads in Leavenworth.
 
2014-05-07 08:39:24 PM  
Reagan's Benghazi?  Really.

I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

It's never the mistake that gets you in trouble, its the cover-up (See also: Watergate, Dow Corning breast implants, Lewinsky)

djkutch: Chris Ween: But when there are weeks of hearings with the president forced to testify, let me know

When it's serious enough for the President to testify, let me know.

[fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x452]


See above.  He acknowledged it was turrists.

/you made me defend Bush, you jerk :P
 
2014-05-07 08:47:25 PM  

Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.


I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?
 
2014-05-07 08:49:44 PM  

Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?


I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.
 
2014-05-07 09:01:17 PM  

Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.


All the evidence in all the previous investigations have in no way proven anything remotely like this.

Neither will this one.  O the next one, or the one after that, or the one after that...meanwhile, more and more investigations into the scandalous siccing of the IRS on conservatives will also continue to turn up nothing after nothing after nothing.

But, god forbid the GOP should try to resolve real problems that actually exist in the real world

....we all know how sexy chickens are to Republicans, so the f*cking will continue, with gusto
 
2014-05-07 09:01:44 PM  

Banned on the Run: Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?

I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.



Okay, if dozens of hearings and thousands of pages of analyses of the incident isn't going to solve this than one post by me so all I can say is that an attack happened on the embassy, four people were killed. It was at first assumed at it was based on the same attacks that happened all over the region because of that video, a rational assumption given the events that were taking place at the time.

Obama later said it was an act of terror, just as everything is called an act of terror nowadays. And the Republicans are cynically using this tragedy and pretending that they give a shiat about those four people for political reasons and they have sadly failed.
 
2014-05-07 09:08:52 PM  

Chris Ween: Ambivalence: The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.

It wasn't investigated 5 times regardless of not finding anything worth the effort.

I remember days and days of testimony from various people...maybe weeks.  All televised.  I don't think you'd support Obama being sworn under oath to testify on this would you?  I wouldn't either.  But when there are weeks of hearings with the president forced to testify, let me know


Reagan was forced to testify before Congress? I must have missed that.
 
2014-05-07 09:16:16 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: But, god forbid the GOP should try to resolve real problems that actually exist in the real world


lol.

Yeah, that's not going to happen ever.
 
2014-05-07 09:19:20 PM  
Every day the chasm widens between Actual Reagan and GOP Spank Bank Reagan.

I'm shocked the story hasn't been retconned to put the Beirut bombing into the Carter Administration as another example alongside the Iran hostages of Democrat Weakness and Appeasement...kinda like how Bill Clinton caused 9/11 leading to Bush's election and the years of absolute economic glory and safety where the only Americans killed were due to being overkissed by grateful Iraqis heading to spontaneously vote to be made our 51st state until ACORN stole the election despite McCain and Palin leading Seal Team Six to kill Bin Laden.
 
2014-05-07 09:25:03 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.


Go back to being a crack whore.  It's a better station in life.
 
2014-05-07 09:29:40 PM  

Banned on the Run: Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?

I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.


Because saying our security failed because of a coordinated attack rather than a mob sounds so much worse? That's your scandal?
 
2014-05-07 09:31:20 PM  

2wolves: The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.

Go back to being a crack whore.  It's a better station in life.


Assistant crack whore would be a step up.
 
2014-05-07 09:36:46 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you're saying that the Congress didn't investigate Reagan when they thought they should?!

I wonder if anyone thinks you're wrong about that...
[i.imgur.com image 240x158]
Well there is one guy.

Wow.  That is some weak-ass shiat.


Not for him it isn't. For him it's slightly above average, because there's some tangential connection there this time, sort of, if you stretch a bit.

Sad, I know.
 
2014-05-07 09:39:11 PM  

Mugato: Banned on the Run: Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?

I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.


Okay, if dozens of hearings and thousands of pages of analyses of the incident isn't going to solve this than one post by me so all I can say is that an attack happened on the embassy, four people were killed. It was at first assumed at it was based on the same attacks that happened all over the region because of that video, a rational assumption given the events that were taking place at the time.

Obama later said it was an act of terror, just as everything is called an act of terror nowadays. And the Republicans are cynically using this tragedy and pretending that they give a shiat about those four people for political reasons and they have sadly failed.


Wasn't one of the people killed a Farker?  As in a regular poster who may have actually known people here in RL?
 
2014-05-07 09:39:52 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

All the evidence in all the previous investigations have in no way proven anything remotely like this.

Neither will this one.  O the next one, or the one after that, or the one after that...meanwhile, more and more investigations into the scandalous siccing of the IRS on conservatives will also continue to turn up nothing after nothing after nothing.

But, god forbid the GOP should try to resolve real problems that actually exist in the real world

....we all know how sexy chickens are to Republicans, so the f*cking will continue, with gusto


Right in the Chik-Fil-A-Hole.
 
2014-05-07 09:40:32 PM  
It's posts/threads like this that prove liberals have run away from the Benghazi investigation so fast and so far that most don't even understand the conservative criticism of the Administration.

The criticism is not that American personnel was killed overseas; that type of criticism would be dopey because there are simply too many variables and bad actors in play for an administration to ensure safety everywhere at all times.

On the other hand, the actual criticism is :

1.  That when Obama realized we were under attack in Benghazi, he did not immediately send every resource in the hemisphere in a direct route to the attack site, and
2.  That he never ordered cross-border authority, and
3.  That it took 24 hours to get military personnel on the ground, and
4.  That it took 20-something days before the FBI was on the ground and investigating the site (took CNN about 6 hours), and
5.  That even though the administration knew almost immediately that this was an organized Al Qaeda-affiliate attack, they knowingly lied and claimed that this was a spontaneous protest that turned into a riot ... and that it was a result of anger over a YouTube video, and
6.  That they imprisoned the YouTube video creator to continue their politically-based lie.

Is it a terrible tragedy that four people died?  Yup.  But that's not the criticism of the administration.  The criticism of the administration is that we never even tried to save them and one or two of them could have potentially lived had we tried.  Anybody who suggests otherwise is either a liberal trying to obfuscate (create a strawman to knockdown) or a moron conservative that doesn't have a grasp of what went on.
 
2014-05-07 09:40:56 PM  

Fart_Machine: Banned on the Run: Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?

I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.

Because saying our security failed because of a coordinated attack rather than a mob sounds so much worse? That's your scandal?


In an election cycle. Yes.
That the next Democratic candidate for president spun the deaths of 4 Americans for political gain is not significant to you people is inexplicable.  They placed their campaign over their job as America's leaders.

/Yes, I know, all politicians lie.  These ones were caught.

I'm out. Let me preemptively respond to anyone who still doesn't get it.

i216.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-07 09:43:21 PM  

impaler: SauronWasFramed: Wow. Just wow.  Anybody remember when the president lied through his teeth and was forced to resign because of it?  Nixon remembers.

For covering up politically motivated criminal activities? Sounds about right.

 
2014-05-07 09:43:39 PM  

Banned on the Run: Fart_Machine: Banned on the Run: Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?

I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.

Because saying our security failed because of a coordinated attack rather than a mob sounds so much worse? That's your scandal?

In an election cycle. Yes.
That the next Democratic candidate for president spun the deaths of 4 Americans for political gain is not significant to you people is inexplicable.  They placed their campaign over their job as America's leaders.

/Yes, I know, all politicians lie.  These ones were caught.

I'm out. Let me preemptively respond to anyone who still doesn't get it.


Were you giving yourself a face palm because saying one is worse than the other still sounds stupid.
 
2014-05-07 09:43:55 PM  

SunsetLament: It's posts/threads like this that prove liberals have run away from the Benghazi investigation so fast and so far that most don't even understand the conservative criticism of the Administration.

The criticism is not that American personnel was killed overseas; that type of criticism would be dopey because there are simply too many variables and bad actors in play for an administration to ensure safety everywhere at all times.

On the other hand, the actual criticism is :

1.  That when Obama realized we were under attack in Benghazi, he did not immediately send every resource in the hemisphere in a direct route to the attack site, and
2.  That he never ordered cross-border authority, and
3.  That it took 24 hours to get military personnel on the ground, and
4.  That it took 20-something days before the FBI was on the ground and investigating the site (took CNN about 6 hours), and
5.  That even though the administration knew almost immediately that this was an organized Al Qaeda-affiliate attack, they knowingly lied and claimed that this was a spontaneous protest that turned into a riot ... and that it was a result of anger over a YouTube video, and
6.  That they imprisoned the YouTube video creator to continue their politically-based lie.

Is it a terrible tragedy that four people died?  Yup.  But that's not the criticism of the administration.  The criticism of the administration is that we never even tried to save them and one or two of them could have potentially lived had we tried.  Anybody who suggests otherwise is either a liberal trying to obfuscate (create a strawman to knockdown) or a moron conservative that doesn't have a grasp of what went on.


Oh, farking christ. Really? This is the most absurd thing you've spewed out into a Fark thread and, given your rants, that says a lot.
 
2014-05-07 09:44:31 PM  

SunsetLament: 6. That they imprisoned the YouTube video creator to continue their politically-based lie.


lol...
 
2014-05-07 09:45:05 PM  

SunsetLament: It's posts/threads like this that prove liberals have run away from the Benghazi investigation so fast and so far that most don't even understand the conservative criticism of the Administration


I just think we should concentrate on one scandal at a time.  Once we get to the bottom of the birth certificate question, we should focus on his golf game.  We can deal with Benghazi after that.
 
2014-05-07 09:45:52 PM  

SauronWasFramed: impaler: SauronWasFramed: Wow. Just wow.  Anybody remember when the president lied through his teeth and was forced to resign because of it?  Nixon remembers.

For covering up politically motivated criminal activities? Sounds about right.


Obama was behind the Benghazi attacks. Study it out.
 
2014-05-07 09:46:58 PM  

Banned on the Run: /Yes, I know, all politicians lie.  These ones were caught


No such thing has happened.  And it never will.  Keep on dreaming, though.
 
2014-05-07 09:47:22 PM  

SunsetLament: 6.  That they imprisoned the YouTube video creator to continue their politically-based lie.


farking hilarious!
 
2014-05-07 09:48:39 PM  
Reagan did get back at the dead suicide bomber by rearranging the real estate of Beirut, using one of the World War II battteships he dragged out of mothballs for $100 million (which the Navy quickly retired after Ronnie left).
Great video! Ronnie however forgot to include the "Mission Accomplished" banner and the codpiece.
 
2014-05-07 09:48:47 PM  

Banned on the Run: It's never the mistake that gets you in trouble, its the cover-up (See also: Watergate, Dow Corning breast implants, Lewinsky)


What, specifically, was "covered-up" with respect to the attack on the Benghazi consulate?
 
2014-05-07 09:49:04 PM  

SunsetLament: a liberal trying to obfuscate (create a strawman to knockdown)


cargo cult like typing detected
 
2014-05-07 09:52:30 PM  

tripleseven: Mugato: Banned on the Run: Mugato: Banned on the Run: I don't recall Reagan sending a toadie out to spin the attacks during an election cycle.  It's not that the attacks happened.  It's that Obama placed a higher importance on the spin than he did American lives.

I know this is probably a troll but I'll bite anyway, what was the spin?

I'll bite, too -- that it was spontaneous and not a premeditated, coordinated terrorist attack.


Okay, if dozens of hearings and thousands of pages of analyses of the incident isn't going to solve this than one post by me so all I can say is that an attack happened on the embassy, four people were killed. It was at first assumed at it was based on the same attacks that happened all over the region because of that video, a rational assumption given the events that were taking place at the time.

Obama later said it was an act of terror, just as everything is called an act of terror nowadays. And the Republicans are cynically using this tragedy and pretending that they give a shiat about those four people for political reasons and they have sadly failed.

Wasn't one of the people killed a Farker?  As in a regular poster who may have actually known people here in RL?


No, Sean wasn't a Farker. Some of us knew him, though, from Something Awful and EVE. And it was toolbag liars like SunsetLament up there who convinced many of us to get seriously involved in politics, because we saw what the Republicans were doing with the memory of someone who was universally beloved (apart from his terrible tattoo) and we were farking disgusted. Goonswarm Jabber absolutely erupted after "Please proceed, Governor." Made it sting a little bit less.
 
2014-05-07 09:52:46 PM  
 
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