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(Vice)   NSA to Canada: "Here, use these phones. They are TOTALLY secure"   (motherboard.vice.com) divider line 47
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2014-05-07 07:47:26 PM
Did you hear a laugh? Nah it's probably just "line noise"
 
2014-05-07 07:49:47 PM
Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.
 
2014-05-07 07:50:19 PM
What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?
 
2014-05-07 07:52:28 PM

ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?


Combination to the vault door of their Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve.
 
2014-05-07 07:52:33 PM

ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?


Clearly you've never heard of the baby who survived being frozen, that breeding program is worth billions for our troops.
 
2014-05-07 07:53:43 PM

GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.


That's a good little canuk. Now come sit on daddy's lap.
 
2014-05-07 07:54:35 PM

ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?


US media/politics =
www.geek-art.net
Except with Canadians.
 
2014-05-07 07:56:40 PM
I remember when we were the USA instead of the NSA- I'm getting too old for this shiat.
 
2014-05-07 07:56:56 PM
STU III

ep.yimg.com
 
2014-05-07 07:56:57 PM

GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.


Pretty much this. At least we know who's listening.
 
2014-05-07 07:59:17 PM

ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?


How they believe Quebec doesn't exist, yet know it's there...
/could name a few places here who need that treatment....
 
2014-05-07 08:01:46 PM
Look, it's not our fault that "Putin" sounds a lot like "Poutine."
 
2014-05-07 08:04:26 PM

ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?


The cellphone number of Rob Ford's crack dealer?
 
2014-05-07 08:07:24 PM
Even if the whole mess about the NSA overreaching had never come to light, who in his right mind would ever buy "secure" items from a foreign intelligence agency????????
 
2014-05-07 08:09:15 PM
Canada is one of the special friends (along with UK, Australia, and NZ--Hey, what do all of those have in common?) that share Intel and methods with the NSA. Back in the day I helped train Canadians on US intercept equipment.
 
2014-05-07 08:09:36 PM
Seriously, no back door eh.
 
2014-05-07 08:11:09 PM

GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.


Yup.  Think about all those cellphones and tablets that everyone carries around.  Where are they manufactured?  You think they transmit only when and what you want them too?
 
2014-05-07 08:12:32 PM
There has to be a good Harper to NSA joke in there somewhere.
 
2014-05-07 08:16:31 PM
So a US federal department is now a hardware reseller?
 
2014-05-07 08:19:33 PM

GDubDub: ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?

Combination to the vault door of their Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve.


The first rule of Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve is we dont talk about Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve.
 
2014-05-07 08:22:15 PM
realistically when it comes to defense, the US and Canada are one entity
 
2014-05-07 08:23:13 PM
I mean we own them and could basically reduce them to rubble at a snap of obama's fingers so...
 
2014-05-07 08:25:17 PM

Persnickety: GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.

Yup.  Think about all those cellphones and tablets that everyone carries around.  Where are they manufactured?  You think they transmit only when and what you want them too?


It's nice living without secrets. As long as Christian Dominionism doesn't get any further than the comedic stylings of Ted Cruz, there's nothing electronic that I consider privileged enough to encrypt.
 
2014-05-07 08:25:55 PM

Alanis Morisette: "What the hell is happening?"


Justin Beiber: "I blew up the building."


Alanis: "Why?"


Justin: "Because you made a phone call, eh!"

 
2014-05-07 08:37:38 PM

GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.


Considering America's track record with procuring "secure" electronics from China the answer is probably both.
 
2014-05-07 08:44:30 PM
I hear they're offering blankets too.
 
2014-05-07 08:45:23 PM
Stickin w/ mi Blackwater Blackberry, tyvm.
 
2014-05-07 08:58:25 PM
Obamaphones, ObamaDrones, ObamaNSA...
 
2014-05-07 09:11:21 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaaha.

Canada sucks.
 
2014-05-07 09:22:57 PM
The NSA knows that if they can discover the locationof Canadias great Maple Syrup and Poutine reserves they can move those on the black market for a heft price to fund their war with Terra
 
2014-05-07 09:23:56 PM

daisygrrl: GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.

Pretty much this. At least we know who's listening.


The correct answer is anyone that really wants to.
 
2014-05-07 09:33:05 PM

GDubDub: ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?

Combination to the vault door of their Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve.


That is Quebec, and it apparently only requires afew guys and a truck.
 
2014-05-07 09:53:18 PM
if these devices were worth a damn the NSA might have caught Jeffrey Delisle more quickly
 
2014-05-07 09:54:22 PM

wildcardjack: Persnickety: GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.

Yup.  Think about all those cellphones and tablets that everyone carries around.  Where are they manufactured?  You think they transmit only when and what you want them too?

It's nice living without secrets. As long as Christian Dominionism doesn't get any further than the comedic stylings of Ted Cruz, there's nothing electronic that I consider privileged enough to encrypt.


Do you consider where you go, what you see and what conversations you have to be electronic?  Because wherever you take your phone or tablet, those things are if fact electronic information that may be recorded about you.
 
2014-05-07 09:58:12 PM

daisygrrl: GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.

Pretty much this. At least we know who's listening.


who's listening?  as  Gary Oldman might put it EVERYONE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk
 
2014-05-07 10:05:56 PM
One could as easily be reassured that our southern brothers are keeping others from spying on Canadians.   This doesn't worry me in the least.
 
2014-05-07 11:25:50 PM

revrendjim: Canada is one of the special friends (along with UK, Australia, and NZ--Hey, what do all of those have in common?)


We're all ruled by the Queen Mother, who sells crack out of Buckingham Palace. (JOKE.)


that share Intel and methods with the NSA. Back in the day I helped train Canadians on US intercept equipment.

Ain't it cute the way we let these countries act like they're independent sometimes?

Bob Robert: revrendjim:

Canada is one of the special friends (along with UK, Australia, and NZ--Hey, what do all of those have in common?) that share Intel and methods with the NSA. Back in the day I helped train Canadians on US intercept equipment.

And it isn't a coincidence that all those countries are seeing right wing politicians take over and right wing theories being spread all over the media.


In Operation Gladio what was supposed to be "stay-behind" intelligence networks in case of Soviet victory over NATO lead to CIA control of various NATO countries' intelligence agencies (along with pseudo-Masonic lodges) and the propagation of a "strategy of tension" that's very similar to The War On Terror. There are several obvious parallels, including "terrorist attacks" and "fiendish plots" foiled and provoked by the "security" apparatus. Indeed one could say that The War On Terror is just a revival if not a continuation of these earlier operations.

And remember, what the spooks say they're up to is usually just a cover story, masking who knows what. I still wonder what "Iran/Contra" was really about.

By the way, ain't it wonderful that Angela Merkel and her Ossi friends led their country away from KGB and Stasi domination into the arms of the NSA and CIA? And look what the End of the Cold War has done for Ukraine!

But hey, of course the U.S. Government has better things to do than disrupt the societies of our Free World friends. If you ask that's what they'll tell you. And if you say "of course that's what you'd say, the thing is to prove it" they'll suggest you're off your meds, and somebody might even find kiddie pr0n on your iPhone.
 
2014-05-08 12:10:48 AM

Persnickety: wildcardjack: Persnickety: GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.

Yup.  Think about all those cellphones and tablets that everyone carries around.  Where are they manufactured?  You think they transmit only when and what you want them too?

It's nice living without secrets. As long as Christian Dominionism doesn't get any further than the comedic stylings of Ted Cruz, there's nothing electronic that I consider privileged enough to encrypt.

Do you consider where you go, what you see and what conversations you have to be electronic?  Because wherever you take your phone or tablet, those things are if fact electronic information that may be recorded about you.


So, the Higgs Boson is the messenger particle that imparts mass to matter. We suspected this to be true and spent piles of money verifying this. And no one can do jack shiat with this knowledge. Just like my electronic footprint.

Even if I went like that guy who glued a camera to his head and uploaded everything there wouldn't be any value. I am not an intel asset. I'm not even worth studying for marketing reasons, despite what paranoid reasons you'll reply with.
 
2014-05-08 12:29:52 AM
Dumba!# websites with automatic playing video....scared the crap out of me
 
2014-05-08 12:51:24 AM
And remember, what the spooks say they're up to is usually just a cover story, masking who knows what. I still wonder what "Iran/Contra" was really about.

I doubt it was anything significant, or it would've ruined the reputations of everyone involved.  I mean what real interest would the US have in picking sides, and what would we get in exchange for those guns?  And where did all of that West Coast crack come from in the late '80s?
 
2014-05-08 04:17:50 AM
Well how else are they gonna know if Canada is planning another Beiber attack. This way the NSA can get a pre-emtive Dennis Miller strike in before the army of parachuting Avril Lavignes hits American airspace.
 
2014-05-08 05:21:59 AM

ReverendJynxed: What kind of secrets could Canada possibly have worth stealing?


Yours.
 
2014-05-08 05:47:28 AM
For American corporations Canada is just another domestic territory. This makes Canada a part of US domestic security. The secrets that need protecting in Canada are the same corporate and government secrets that need protecting in the US and its overseas empire.

The "Five Fingers" (US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) monitor ALL electronic communications, usually with the consent and cooperation of the manufacturers and wholesalers. They have been in cahoots since the days of Ma Bell.

Only there is no longer any need to monitor calls with humans since the computer came into use. Computers can scan everything for keywords and names, while recording addresses of senders and recepients, dates, conversation lengths itself. This is called "chatter". Even without knowing the content you can know the connections, who the members of the web are, and where and when they can be found.

Most of the communications systems in Europe were rolled out by American companies after WWII in the context of the Cold War. They are American assets as much as the Internet. It is Ma Bells all the way down.

An importer in Denmark purchased Cuban cigars from a company, IIRC, in Germany. He was charged (with violating US law because the order went through an American server). The US applies its laws internationally, just as it taxes Americans abroad and applies US laws to US corporations overseas (although not to prevent tax evasion and avoidance--the corporations run the tax system and literally get to keep a large amount of the money they collect on behalf of the US Government--hey, cut out the middle man!)

If you are valueless to your corporate masters, why do they spend billions on advertising and marketing and why do they insist on your name, address, contact informaton (phones, emails) and all the rest of the information they collect when you buy a packet of batteries? They not only datamine you to death, they then sell on the information to third parties, and, of course, if you build a toy rocket, the US Government has the data should they wish to charge you with terrorism.

You are not only pwned, you are owned. Corporations and the families of corporate honchos are free to work any where in the Free Trade Zones of of the world (NAFTA, notably, but soon the Pacific Zone as well) but workers are serfs, bound to their land.

And it gets worse every year because Our Masters are going more and more fascist. Governments, bureaucracies, and institutions of all kinds (churches, for example) never give up power voluntarily. They always crave more.

It's not Obama's fault. This started long before he was born. Remember, the Internet was born as ARPANET, a project of the US military to harden its connections with universities and corporations so that R&D would not flag in the event of a nuclear war.

The system was built by and for the military-corporate-media-government-university research complex.

China and Russia are the only institutions outside of this machine. And they're not so very outside either. Criminals are part of the police state, Russian and Chinese hackers are part of the World Mind.
 
2014-05-08 07:47:17 AM
About 20 years ago I worked on Canadian-made phones that were going to be used by the US Congress. Had to go through all kinds of hoops to prove to the FBI that they were secure. Like mercury switches in the handsets to short out the microphone when they were on-hook.
 
2014-05-08 09:19:52 AM

wildcardjack: Persnickety: wildcardjack: Persnickety: GoodHomer: Meh, if it's either the U.S. spying on us or China, I'd rather have the U.S.

Yup.  Think about all those cellphones and tablets that everyone carries around.  Where are they manufactured?  You think they transmit only when and what you want them too?

It's nice living without secrets. As long as Christian Dominionism doesn't get any further than the comedic stylings of Ted Cruz, there's nothing electronic that I consider privileged enough to encrypt.

Do you consider where you go, what you see and what conversations you have to be electronic?  Because wherever you take your phone or tablet, those things are if fact electronic information that may be recorded about you.

So, the Higgs Boson is the messenger particle that imparts mass to matter. We suspected this to be true and spent piles of money verifying this. And no one can do jack shiat with this knowledge. Just like my electronic footprint.

Even if I went like that guy who glued a camera to his head and uploaded everything there wouldn't be any value. I am not an intel asset. I'm not even worth studying for marketing reasons, despite what paranoid reasons you'll reply with.


Paranoid reasons?  What are you talking about?  99.9% of what people choose to put on the internet is boring dreck.  The percentage is even higher for data people don't choose to post.  The only point  I'm making is that there is much more electronic information about you available than what you might think there is but as you say, it's highly unlikely anyone is bothering to look.

George Orwell got the idea of telescreens half right.  Yes, they are everywhere, but instead of big screens hanging all over the place, they are small devices we voluntarily choose to take around with us, and pay for the privilege.  But there really aren't enough resources to sift through everyone's data, however that doesn't mean TPTB can't get access to it if they want it.  For the vast majority of people, it doesn't matter because there's nothing worth mining from all that data.
 
2014-05-08 12:39:14 PM
Persnickety:

But there really aren't enough resources to sift through everyone's data, however that doesn't mean TPTB can't get access to it if they want it.  For the vast majority of people, it doesn't matter because there's nothing worth mining from all that data.

I had two bowel movements yesterday, one late at night, and I'm almost ready to have another. By the way, maybe the auto-intoxication theory is bunk but sometimes taking a dump while I'm having a migraine and/or hangover makes my head feel better; some prestigious Ivy League university should look into this, maybe with DoD funding because clearly some foreign potentate who's unable to focus on dictating because of chronic constipation would be easier to overthrow. Isn't it cute how my colon leads to insights that greatly benefit Humanity? This is why Lexington, KY should appoint me its Official Village Genius.
 
2014-05-08 01:31:25 PM

Carousel Beast: Even if the whole mess about the NSA overreaching had never come to light, who in his right mind would ever buy "secure" items from a foreign intelligence agency????????


Ever wonder why Bletchley Park remained classified for so long?  It was the top secret UK crypto facility that cracked the ENIGMA code in WW2.

After the war,  the Brits "shared" this "unbreakable" encryption process with nearly all of their former colonies, including Canada.  They got good data well into the '70's.

Wish I could find the source - It was a BBC documentary about the people who worked there and the degree of secrecy that was maintained even after the war.

If you can think of it, the intel agencies have tried it.
 
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