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(Yahoo)   Poland, who may not remember 1938 all that well, decides to tweak Russia by awarding the Inaugural "Solidarity Prize" for achievements in spreading human rights and democracy to a Crimean Tatar leader who opposed Russian annexation   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 22
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2014-05-07 03:50:50 PM  
6 votes:
Heh, Poland remembers 1938 just fine...Which is precisely why they did this.
2014-05-07 01:52:28 PM  
4 votes:
Of all of the Eastern European former Soviet bloc states, Poland is in the best position to tweak Russia however they like because they are a NATO member and Russia wouldn't dare to act against them.
2014-05-07 08:16:55 PM  
2 votes:
1938? 1939?

Meh... who cares: the Soviets had to team up with the Nazis to take out Poland.

How about looking at the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-1921 where the Poles kicked Russian ass over the Ukraine.
2014-05-07 03:58:25 PM  
2 votes:

dj_spanmaster: To be fair, in 1938 Poland had little military to speak of and there was no UN or NATO.


They had a better military than most people give them credit for, as they'd been rapidly expanding under the assumption of an eventual European war, presumed to come from the Soviets. Sure, they collapsed under the pressure of dual German and Soviet invasions, but so did everyone else in Europe. The tales of Polish cavalry charging German tanks are largely urban legends and much of the Polish army was well-equipped and inflicted substantial losses on the Germans.
2014-05-07 03:54:18 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-05-07 07:10:10 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, I'm pretty sure Poland remembers 1938.  And 1832.  And 1815.  And 1795.  And 1793.  And 1772.
2014-05-07 07:00:35 PM  
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: And keep in mind, Germany declared war on the US. Against the advice of almost his entire staff, diplomatic corps, and military commanders, Hitler insisted on holding up Germany's end of the Tripartite Pact. The American war aims never included exactly what would happen to Eastern Europe; the goal was always to eliminate the Nazi regime.


Germany was not required by the Tripartite act to declare war on the US , nor was Italy but they both did.  one of the biggest errors in the war by the Germans.
2014-05-07 06:21:50 PM  
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: rockforever: Perhaps, PERHAPS, subby was thinking of the military guarantee that Great Britain granted to Poland to intervene on Poland's behalf should they be invaded by Germany.

When the time came to man up on that guarantee the British... well... they didn't. When they were soon after invaded by the USSR, the British told them no again. It was a pretty dick move by Britain.

Of course that was in 1939, so I'm not to sure.

Umm, actually, when Poland was invaded, the British did something subsequently which is known as "declaring war." Crack open a history book, bubbe.


Yeah they got right on it! HA! Good one though.

Someone else said it, the UK did what it could, which was nothing. If they couldn't do anything, why did they issue the guarantee? Cus their arseholes.
rka
2014-05-07 05:34:09 PM  
1 votes:

spawn73: rka: cynicalbastard: rockforever: Perhaps, PERHAPS, subby was thinking of the military guarantee that Great Britain granted to Poland to intervene on Poland's behalf should they be invaded by Germany.

When the time came to man up on that guarantee the British... well... they didn't. When they were soon after invaded by the USSR, the British told them no again. It was a pretty dick move by Britain.

Of course that was in 1939, so I'm not to sure.

Umm, actually, when Poland was invaded, the British did something subsequently which is known as "declaring war." Crack open a history book, bubbe.

And then they abandoned them to the Soviets after the war for 50 years.

So, declare war to defend Poland. Fight war, almost lose...don't actually defend Poland at all. Empire crumbles because they can't afford it anymore. Is that about right? Yeah. I always wonder why the British look back on WWII as some sort of shining moment.

USA abandoned Poland, England wanted to attack USSR on the spot.


Some US generals did too but the point is that US didn't have a treaty to defend Poland in the first place. The US didn't declare war on Germany due to their invasion of Poland. The UK did. The casus belli for the UK was to defend Poland. Not so with the US.
2014-05-07 05:08:15 PM  
1 votes:

dukeblue219: dj_spanmaster: To be fair, in 1938 Poland had little military to speak of and there was no UN or NATO.

They had a better military than most people give them credit for, as they'd been rapidly expanding under the assumption of an eventual European war, presumed to come from the Soviets. Sure, they collapsed under the pressure of dual German and Soviet invasions, but so did everyone else in Europe. The tales of Polish cavalry charging German tanks are largely urban legends and much of the Polish army was well-equipped and inflicted substantial losses on the Germans.


Less urban legend and more Nazi propaganda effort. The Nazis were actually more dependent on Calvary than the Poles were. The Polish Army was actually one of the larger Allied forces involved in WWII, mostly based out of the UK and working pretty closely with the Brits. They chipped in more than their fair share.

And yeah, they don't like the Russians much. They still don't trust the Germans, but they really hate Russia. The wounds from the last few decades are very, very fresh- I visited a few years ago, and there were a lot of new memorials and commemorations, and more going up every day. WWII and the Holocaust did a lot of damage to the national psyche, but any talk about Nazi atrocities was suppressed under Communist rule ( which is part of the reason you don't hear that nearly as many ethnic Poles died in the Holocaust as Jews- the Polish side of the story just wasn't there to make it part of the conversation when we talk about the Holocaust), and there was no time to work through it. Literally, the Nazis moved out one day and the Soviets moved in the next. Oh, and the Nazis burned Warsaw as they were leaving. The Soviets sat across the river and let it burn. Of course, during the Soviet era there were plenty of atrocities that couldn't be discussed, so it all built up, and they've only really been able to come to terms with history from 1938 on in the last decade or so.

So yeah, this is Poland gleefully poking Russia with a stick.
2014-05-07 04:50:18 PM  
1 votes:
Lech Walesa:

Planet Earth's Last Known Labor Hero
2014-05-07 04:44:21 PM  
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: dukeblue219: dj_spanmaster: To be fair, in 1938 Poland had little military to speak of and there was no UN or NATO.

They had a better military than most people give them credit for, as they'd been rapidly expanding under the assumption of an eventual European war, presumed to come from the Soviets. Sure, they collapsed under the pressure of dual German and Soviet invasions, but so did everyone else in Europe. The tales of Polish cavalry charging German tanks are largely urban legends and much of the Polish army was well-equipped and inflicted substantial losses on the Germans.

Like France, Poland was way behind Germany in terms of command and communication, and air-ground cooperation. Poland did not have nearly as severe a problem with their command staff's bickering and political turmoil (Gamelin's HQ had no radio!). Their aircraft were inferior to the Germans, but on the ground, when the Polish could take the initiative, they gave the German Army a scare: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bzura


To be fair, EVERYBODY was way behind Germany in that area back then.

The U.S. didn't really get fully up to speed until '44 or so.  Once we started sticking air liaison officers literally in the turrets of our tanks in our forward armored columns, we got there.

/We didn't call it blitzkrieg when we rolled into Iraq
//it was blitzkrieg
2014-05-07 04:38:26 PM  
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: LewDux: Soviet and Nazi walk into Polish bar The bartender looks up and says, "Is this some kind of joint victory parade?"

Brest joke ever.

/get it?


Of cause I do, I'm Litovsk
2014-05-07 04:30:16 PM  
1 votes:
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/oblig
rka
2014-05-07 04:21:48 PM  
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: rockforever: Perhaps, PERHAPS, subby was thinking of the military guarantee that Great Britain granted to Poland to intervene on Poland's behalf should they be invaded by Germany.

When the time came to man up on that guarantee the British... well... they didn't. When they were soon after invaded by the USSR, the British told them no again. It was a pretty dick move by Britain.

Of course that was in 1939, so I'm not to sure.

Umm, actually, when Poland was invaded, the British did something subsequently which is known as "declaring war." Crack open a history book, bubbe.


And then they abandoned them to the Soviets after the war for 50 years.

So, declare war to defend Poland. Fight war, almost lose...don't actually defend Poland at all. Empire crumbles because they can't afford it anymore. Is that about right? Yeah. I always wonder why the British look back on WWII as some sort of shining moment.
2014-05-07 04:20:16 PM  
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: rockforever: Perhaps, PERHAPS, subby was thinking of the military guarantee that Great Britain granted to Poland to intervene on Poland's behalf should they be invaded by Germany.

When the time came to man up on that guarantee the British... well... they didn't. When they were soon after invaded by the USSR, the British told them no again. It was a pretty dick move by Britain.

Of course that was in 1939, so I'm not to sure.

Umm, actually, when Poland was invaded, the British did something subsequently which is known as "declaring war." Crack open a history book, bubbe.


And then?
2014-05-07 04:17:45 PM  
1 votes:

dukeblue219: dj_spanmaster: To be fair, in 1938 Poland had little military to speak of and there was no UN or NATO.

They had a better military than most people give them credit for, as they'd been rapidly expanding under the assumption of an eventual European war, presumed to come from the Soviets. Sure, they collapsed under the pressure of dual German and Soviet invasions, but so did everyone else in Europe. The tales of Polish cavalry charging German tanks are largely urban legends and much of the Polish army was well-equipped and inflicted substantial losses on the Germans.


Like France, Poland was way behind Germany in terms of command and communication, and air-ground cooperation. Poland did not have nearly as severe a problem with their command staff's bickering and political turmoil (Gamelin's HQ had no radio!). Their aircraft were inferior to the Germans, but on the ground, when the Polish could take the initiative, they gave the German Army a scare: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bzura
2014-05-07 04:04:19 PM  
1 votes:
amstmonuments.files.wordpress.com
2014-05-07 04:02:54 PM  
1 votes:
Perhaps, PERHAPS, subby was thinking of the military guarantee that Great Britain granted to Poland to intervene on Poland's behalf should they be invaded by Germany.

When the time came to man up on that guarantee the British... well... they didn't. When they were soon after invaded by the USSR, the British told them no again. It was a pretty dick move by Britain.

Of course that was in 1939, so I'm not to sure.
2014-05-07 04:00:22 PM  
1 votes:
Poland getting uppity?  I'm just saying, don't load your whole government onto a flight to Russia anytime soon ...
2014-05-07 03:51:07 PM  
1 votes:
Poland was the first to react when this shiat went down.  I remember seeing youtube vids from Polish folk taping the columns of tanks and armor moving to their eastern border with Ukraine.

So, it doesn't surprise me that Poland is getting froggy.  NATO member, their military in place and now they're slapping the Russian ego around and daring them to do something about it.

And don't think for a second that this isn't coming from Brussels.  This is a coordinated and choreographed move.
2014-05-07 02:11:27 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Of all of the Eastern European former Soviet bloc states, Poland is in the best position to tweak Russia however they like because they are a NATO member and Russia wouldn't dare to act against them.


Yup.  This is their "Come at me, bro" moment.
 
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