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(Pro Football Talk)   NFL: "You know what the people want more of? Draft speculation"   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 41
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2014-05-07 02:30:34 PM  
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2014-05-07 03:56:58 PM  
Open to somewhere other than NY.

Vegas. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-05-07 05:13:03 PM  
I won't watch the draft.    I'd rather watch HSN.   Or paint dry.   Or the static chanel.    NASA's weatherscapes is much better.   Or I could do some yardwork.    I will probably read about the draft in a few weeks, but only barely.
 
2014-05-07 05:15:16 PM  
The draft should be spread over the course of 2 months. 1 round per week, with the first round split into 2 weeks. This way both the people who want it earlier and later win! Plus, it will completely crush the entire NBA and NHL playoffs
 
2014-05-07 05:26:25 PM  
I'd rather see a franchise in London, and an 18 game season, and expanded playoffs (with reseeding), and games 6 nights/week...

Quit dicking with the game, you morons!
 
2014-05-07 05:26:26 PM  
the draft should still be on Saturday morning.
 
2014-05-07 05:28:18 PM  
I don't farking care which week it is, just cut out the Thursday night prime-time BS for Round 1 and move it to Saturday afternoon like it was in the past.
Saturday afternoon first round drafts always felt more "beer and brats" whereas the new format turns the first round into a "wine and caviar" type deal

/bitter
 
2014-05-07 05:29:56 PM  
Peak NFL...
 
2014-05-07 05:30:26 PM  
Grumpycatgood.jpg. Give the people more.
 
2014-05-07 05:31:42 PM  
I just don't listen to any of it.  meaning, i don't watch ESPN/NFL shows on it.  the moment I see Merrill Hoge and his huge farking tie knot, i just turn it.  it is complete speculation nad smokescreens and just garbage.  some QB prospect throws a 40yd TD in-stride against a double coverage SEC defense and the draft "expert" starts crying about his "front leg plant point and how his release was slow, this is why he's a second rounder".  just stupid.  all i see is a dude making an awesome throw but instead I gotta hear 2 minutes on his erratic release point.

and one trade, just one trade, and basically 3 months of analysis (and airtime) goes down the crapper.  it is just a huge waste of time.


drewsclues: the draft should still be on Saturday morning.


YES!
 
2014-05-07 05:33:24 PM  
Ok.  This is my quick rant.

I don't care about mock drafts.  I don't care that Mel Kuiper needs something to do for 11 and a half months out of the year that aren't all about the draft, so he puts out mock draft lists.  I don't care that everyone else does.  I don't care that Oprah does.  Who the flying fark cares?  The problem is that I can't avoid it.  It's everywhere.  Online.  On the radio.  At the grocery store.  Billboards.  My weekly neighborhood mailer.  Everywhere!!!  It drives me insane.

And Mel Kuiper's hair is awful.  Just plain awful.

The draft is the biggest not sporting sports event there is.  And I hate that it has enveloped any sports talk radio show I listen to.  Baseball talk?  Pfft!!!  We're talking about what the Raiders are going to do with their 4th round pick.  NBA playoffs?  Shiat.  What lousy offensive lineman will the Bengals pick?

It makes me sick.

There.  I feel better now.

/end rant
 
2014-05-07 05:35:20 PM  
You can hold it whenever you want, I can keep ignoring the mock drafts as long as I want. Call me when Goodell actually gets up in front of a damn podium.
 
2014-05-07 05:35:41 PM  

Cubs300: I don't care about mock drafts.


yeah, and thanks, everyone, for letting me know your draft is only a MOCK draft.  I really, really thought that your draft, mr. sportwriter / blogger, was the honest to god, actual draft.  but since you put "mock" before it, that gives me the satisfaction of knowing it isn't real.  it is the mock draft.  had you not told me "mock draft", i would have thought you were actually stating who is going where.
 
2014-05-07 05:38:11 PM  

Cubs300: Ok.  This is my quick rant.

I don't care about mock drafts.  I don't care that Mel Kuiper needs something to do for 11 and a half months out of the year that aren't all about the draft, so he puts out mock draft lists.  I don't care that everyone else does.  I don't care that Oprah does.  Who the flying fark cares?  The problem is that I can't avoid it.  It's everywhere.  Online.  On the radio.  At the grocery store.  Billboards.  My weekly neighborhood mailer.  Everywhere!!!  It drives me insane.

And Mel Kuiper's hair is awful.  Just plain awful.

The draft is the biggest not sporting sports event there is.  And I hate that it has enveloped any sports talk radio show I listen to.  Baseball talk?  Pfft!!!  We're talking about what the Raiders are going to do with their 4th round pick.  NBA playoffs?  Shiat.  What lousy offensive lineman will the Bengals pick?

It makes me sick.

There.  I feel better now.

/end rant


So, do you think the Bears are going to trade up?
 
2014-05-07 05:39:14 PM  

Gosling: Call me when Goodell actually gets up in front of a damn podium.



i loved in Rich Eisen's book a few years back when he said, "you know how Chris Berman always says, 'guys, call me crazy, but I have a funny kind of feeling the _____s are gonna take a flyer on Joe Blow' and then that team makes the pick, and then Berman makes a 'what can I say, the Swami knows football' face into the camera?  that's because they told him who the pick was before Tagliabue announces it.  ESPN and the NFL have an agreement that for ESPN to have the B-roll of a given player ready, the network gets the pick in adcance, so that precious 10 seconds let them seamlessly get the footage ready.  Berman just likes to act like he's the smartest guy in the room."
 
2014-05-07 05:41:19 PM  

rickythepenguin: Gosling: Call me when Goodell actually gets up in front of a damn podium.


i loved in Rich Eisen's book a few years back when he said, "you know how Chris Berman always says, 'guys, call me crazy, but I have a funny kind of feeling the _____s are gonna take a flyer on Joe Blow' and then that team makes the pick, and then Berman makes a 'what can I say, the Swami knows football' face into the camera?  that's because they told him who the pick was before Tagliabue announces it.  ESPN and the NFL have an agreement that for ESPN to have the B-roll of a given player ready, the network gets the pick in adcance, so that precious 10 seconds let them seamlessly get the footage ready.  Berman just likes to act like he's the smartest guy in the room."


Word is that the various ESPN NFL Insider dudes have agreed not to leak every f*cking pick online as much as 5-10 minutes before the announcement of said pick airs. One of the few NFL decisions I can agree with.
 
2014-05-07 05:42:00 PM  

iron_city_ap: So, do you think the Bears are going to trade up?



I think they have to.  That kid out of Northwestern, good motor, heady kid, great north south speed, good bubble.  a bit of a reach but a great value pick.  good speed, can make plays, a real sutdent of the game. no off-the-field issues, a great football mind, and a good value pick.  with the right system, he could turn into a football player, and definitely won't be there past saturday.
 
2014-05-07 05:42:04 PM  
Christ that is so much butthurt in those comments. We'll be hard pressed to match it in this thread.

/off to a good start
 
2014-05-07 05:43:38 PM  

rickythepenguin: and one trade, just one trade, and basically 3 months of analysis (and airtime) goes down the crapper. it is just a huge waste of time.


OH GOD YES THIS SO MUCH. I have yet to see in all my years one single mock draft where trades exist. And not only that, they all assume that not a single one of the 32 teams will do anything other than take either the best player available or the best available at a position of need. Nobody ever reaches for a guy an entire round or two early. Or lets the clock run out. Or picks a position where they're already fairly dangerous-- no, no, the Packers would never give Aaron Rodgers yet another wide receiver!
 
2014-05-07 05:48:51 PM  

rickythepenguin: iron_city_ap: So, do you think the Bears are going to trade up?


I think they have to.  That kid out of Northwestern, good motor, heady kid, great north south speed, good bubble.  a bit of a reach but a great value pick.  good speed, can make plays, a real sutdent of the game. no off-the-field issues, a great football mind, and a good value pick.  with the right system, he could turn into a football player, and definitely won't be there past saturday.


I agree, but let me go over to the Subway eat fresh Mock draft board, the Bears are in a great position to make that move, but, there is a CHANCE that Cleveland will make a trade with Dallas, who could swoop in ahead of where Chicago would be, which would force them to take the CB out of Oregon. That would force the Eagles to pick up the phone and try to work out a deal with Bill Belichick, unless the Dolphins take a defensive lineman.
 
2014-05-07 05:51:06 PM  
Put me in the Saturday morning camp.
 
2014-05-07 05:51:10 PM  

Shame Us: Word is that the various ESPN NFL Insider dudes have agreed not to leak every f*cking pick online as much as 5-10 minutes before the announcement of said pick airs. One of the few NFL decisions I can agree with.


yeah, i posted that but it wasn't greenlit.  other outlets are still going to be tipping it, but ESPN and NFL have a gentleman's agreement to not tip picks.

of course, int he rush for "FIRST!", write it down, someone will Tweet a "manziel/bridgewater/clowney to ____s!" and be proven spectularly wrong.  and then delete the twet.  you just knowwwwwwwwwww that's gonna happen.
 
2014-05-07 05:54:19 PM  

Gosling: And not only that, they all assume that not a single one of the 32 teams will do anything other than take either the best player available or the best available at a position of need.



one year on another forum, we tracked Draft Expert Mel Kiper's top 15, and there was a trade, and thus his whole draft turned to shiat.  the comedy was how fiercely he defended his draft in the face of all these teams making the "wrong" pick!  "guys, I really hate this pick, the ____s needed a WR, and they coul dhave had this LB in the second, wrong pick, wrong time....*2 picks later* "guys, they realy blew this, I had him going 6th to the ____s, this is the wrong pick, i disagree...."

Mel.  Hey man.  Chill the fark out.  "they" took players you didn't.  you look like a fool.  its ok.
 
2014-05-07 05:57:05 PM  

iron_city_ap: the Bears are in a great position to make that move, but, there is a CHANCE that Cleveland will make a trade with Dallas, who could swoop in ahead of where Chicago would be, which would force them to take the CB out of Oregon. That would force the Eagles to pick up the phone and try to work out a deal with Bill Belichick, unless the Dolphins take a defensive lineman.



yeah, but I'm hearing the Rams are looking to move down. If so, and they flip the second first to the Cowboys, and if Bridgewater is there but Mack isn't, with the 4-3 they're gonna need the edge rusher.

and that one kid, he's got great closing speed, has a great catch radius, but his cone drill wasnt great and he's got some off the field baggage, and his wonderlic wasn't great.  good value at third round but  areach at first.  he's not a thursday guy.  He's gonna be there Friday.
 
2014-05-07 05:57:33 PM  

rickythepenguin: I just don't listen to any of it.  meaning, i don't watch ESPN/NFL shows on it.  the moment I see Merrill Hoge and his huge farking tie knot, i just turn it.  it is complete speculation nad smokescreens and just garbage.  some QB prospect throws a 40yd TD in-stride against a double coverage SEC defense and the draft "expert" starts crying about his "front leg plant point and how his release was slow, this is why he's a second rounder".  just stupid.  all i see is a dude making an awesome throw but instead I gotta hear 2 minutes on his erratic release point.

and one trade, just one trade, and basically 3 months of analysis (and airtime) goes down the crapper.  it is just a huge waste of time.


drewsclues: the draft should still be on Saturday morning.

YES!


I wish incorrect mock drafts were punishable by the death penalty
 
2014-05-07 05:59:10 PM  

Gosling: Or lets the clock run out.


that was the Vikings 3-4 years ago, right?  didn't that happen to them a few years before that?

One i think they blamed on another team farking with them about a trade, as i recall.  they got punked but siad something like, "hey man, the ____s said they would make a counteroffer, they never did, we ran out of time due to them, that's farked up...."
 
2014-05-07 06:07:22 PM  
Who is this guy Mock they keep talking about drafting?
 
2014-05-07 06:10:30 PM  
I'd be okay with this. Football news becomes a wasteland from the end of the draft until training camp, so why not shorten that period a little and correspondingly extend the pre-draft conversations? If you don't care for all the pre-draft stuff, fine, but it can't be any worse than the total lack of things to talk about from May to August.
 
2014-05-07 06:13:08 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The draft should be spread over the course of 2 months. 1 round per week, with the first round split into 2 weeks. This way both the people who want it earlier and later win! Plus, it will completely crush the entire NBA and NHL playoffs


You are short selling the opportunity here for the NFL, why not just make it 1 pick per day starting right after the SB until all picks are used some 224 days later (give or take a few days for compensation picks that are awarded). Last player drafted on Sept 15th or so, makes perfect sense. DO IT GOODELL!
 
2014-05-07 06:15:59 PM  
Here's my 2013 mock draft.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/27/4276432/2013-nfl-draft-full-7-r o und-results

Nailed it!
 
2014-05-07 06:20:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: I just don't listen to any of it.  meaning, i don't watch ESPN/NFL shows on it.  the moment I see Merrill Hoge and his huge farking tie knot, i just turn it.  it is complete speculation nad smokescreens and just garbage.  some QB prospect throws a 40yd TD in-stride against a double coverage SEC defense and the draft "expert" starts crying about his "front leg plant point and how his release was slow, this is why he's a second rounder".  just stupid.  all i see is a dude making an awesome throw but instead I gotta hear 2 minutes on his erratic release point.

and one trade, just one trade, and basically 3 months of analysis (and airtime) goes down the crapper.  it is just a huge waste of time.


drewsclues: the draft should still be on Saturday morning.

YES!


I used to actually want to hear about the draft on Sunday morning.  AFTER it happened.

Now I just don't care.
 
2014-05-07 06:29:49 PM  

rickythepenguin: Gosling: Or lets the clock run out.

that was the Vikings 3-4 years ago, right?  didn't that happen to them a few years before that?

One i think they blamed on another team farking with them about a trade, as i recall.  they got punked but siad something like, "hey man, the ____s said they would make a counteroffer, they never did, we ran out of time due to them, that's farked up...."


2003, the Vikings timed out and watched the Jaguars rush to take Byron Leftwich and the Panthers do likewise for Jordan Gross before they finally turned in a pick for Kevin Williams.

In 2011, the Ravens were the one who timed out after complaining about a fallen-through deal with the Bears, meaning the Chiefs were able to jump in and draft Jonathan Baldwin before the Ravens got in with a pick for Jimmy Smith.
 
2014-05-07 06:41:17 PM  
They should give each team a certain number of points (based on end of season rankings) and let those teams engage in an auction for players. Bring the players up, one by one, and have Goodell go run it.

"Do I hear one point for Mr. Manziel? One POINT! Okay, Jacksonville bids one point! Do I hear two? St. Louis bids two!"
 
2014-05-07 07:01:58 PM  
Hey, I know. There's seven days in the week and seven rounds in the draft. How has Goodell not noticed this.
 
2014-05-07 07:17:42 PM  
I read that as daft speculation. Re-read it and thought, 'same difference'.
 
2014-05-07 07:22:34 PM  

Gadabout Gaddis: Hey, I know. There's seven days in the week and seven rounds in the draft. How has Goodell not noticed this.


No, no. Air the post-draft frenzy to Hoover up the undrafted free agents. Apparently it only takes about one hour, after which if you haven't been snapped up by a team, you're likely staring down another line of work (Canada and the arena league will take the ones who get signed but fail to make the team). Don't keep rehashing the same ten picks you've been analyzing for three days now. Air the chaotic churning going on in the war rooms where guys are fighting just to get in the league at all.
 
2014-05-07 07:27:15 PM  
Funny how every mock draft never assumes a team trades a pick
 
2014-05-07 11:24:19 PM  
Funny how Mayock's draft tonight had MULTIPLE trades and tries-to-trades.
 
2014-05-07 11:42:47 PM  
Mike Mayock is my favorite broadcaster for the NFL. He does however have the most annoying voice I have ever heard.
 
2014-05-08 09:46:51 AM  

Triumph: Open to somewhere other than NY.

Vegas. What could possibly go wrong?


Yeah because bookies have no way of communicating between New York and Nevada.
 
2014-05-08 10:18:43 AM  

Gosling: Gadabout Gaddis: Hey, I know. There's seven days in the week and seven rounds in the draft. How has Goodell not noticed this.

No, no. Air the post-draft frenzy to Hoover up the undrafted free agents. Apparently it only takes about one hour, after which if you haven't been snapped up by a team, you're likely staring down another line of work (Canada and the arena league will take the ones who get signed but fail to make the team). Don't keep rehashing the same ten picks you've been analyzing for three days now. Air the chaotic churning going on in the war rooms where guys are fighting just to get in the league at all.


Yeah, the scrambling for UDFAs is almost as entertaining as the draft itself, just because a lot of them have a better shot to make the team than the lower-round picks.
 
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