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(Christian Science Monitor)   Boko Haram doesn't really mean "Western education is a sin" despite what you may have learned from Western media   (csmonitor.com) divider line 126
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2014-05-07 02:37:58 PM
Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-07 02:58:04 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.


It means "a whiter shade of pale".
 
2014-05-07 03:03:18 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

"boko" has a variety of meanings focused around denoting "things or actions having to do with fraudulence, sham, or inauthenticity"

 
2014-05-07 03:14:12 PM

timujin: MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

"boko" has a variety of meanings focused around denoting "things or actions having to do with fraudulence, sham, or inauthenticity"


Thank you.
 
2014-05-07 03:30:13 PM

MelGoesOnTour: timujin: MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

"boko" has a variety of meanings focused around denoting "things or actions having to do with fraudulence, sham, or inauthenticity"

Thank you.


That's the literal meaning, but the way these guys use it it specifically refers to the fraudulence of Westernism and Western education in particular.
 
2014-05-07 03:44:40 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.


Whatever you do, don't look up "Yoko Harem." Just don't do it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-07 03:53:47 PM
Wikipedia's entry on Boko Haram... "often said"... Often said? A dangerous phrase.

That's why Wikipedia has a template to complain about it. Go edit the page to complain.
 
2014-05-07 04:29:40 PM
I loved that song, Conquistador, that they did.
 
2014-05-07 04:30:54 PM
Sorry, all.
Here's a link to it.
Conquistador
 
2014-05-07 04:31:14 PM
Boko Haram is an anagram for Broko Hama, our president.
 
2014-05-07 04:31:15 PM
I had the exact same misgivings about the "translation" that the author did.  Whomever initially supplied that translation had a biased motive.
 
2014-05-07 04:31:45 PM
img.sadistic.pl
 
2014-05-07 04:31:51 PM

vpb: MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

It means "a whiter shade of pale".


Came here to say something to that effect.....

/shakes tiny fist !!!!!

Procol Harum songs now stuck in my head....
 
2014-05-07 04:31:58 PM
Any relation to Bokononism?
 
2014-05-07 04:32:53 PM
Hey I don't give a shiat what the "murder everything and abduct young women" group's name means. Make them stop.
 
2014-05-07 04:33:55 PM
No, it means "ass-backwards barbarians that hate the idea of people learning things beyond the scope of their religion."  I went to school with their western counterparts.
 
2014-05-07 04:33:57 PM
It means "Where the young biatches at". And apparently they answered their own question.
 
2014-05-07 04:34:41 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: but the way these guys use it it specifically refers to the fraudulence of Westernism and Western education in particular


Coming from a group that kidnaps young girls and sells them into slavery and prostitution, I can't give their thoughts on fraud, the West or education much credit.
 
2014-05-07 04:35:24 PM
Boko Haram doesn't really mean "Western education is a sin" despite what you may have learned from Western media


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In other news, sometimes words or phrases in different languages don't directly translate well. You must infer meaning from usage and context. Film at 11.
 
2014-05-07 04:35:35 PM
if Boko Haram DID mean "Western Education Forbidden" then it could be a new slogan for all the Teatard homeschoolers
 
2014-05-07 04:35:47 PM
It doesn't mean anything. It's like "rama lama ding dong" or "Give peace a chance."
 
2014-05-07 04:37:22 PM
Rather than send their own children to the British government schools, as demanded by the British, Hausa emirs and other elites often shifted the obligation onto their slaves and other subservients.

www.gnorb.net
 
2014-05-07 04:38:01 PM

The Green Intern: No, it means "ass-backwards barbarians that hate the idea of people learning things beyond the scope of their religion."  I went to school with their western counterparts.


And before some derpmaster replies, please consider us fully informed on the relative number of abductions on each group.
 
2014-05-07 04:38:13 PM
The correct answer was implicitly presented by Liman Muhammad, a Hausa scholar from northern Nigeria, some 45 years ago. In his study of neologisms and lexical enrichment in Hausa, Muhammad (pp. 8-10) gives a list of somewhat over 200 loanwords borrowed from English into Hausa in the area of "Western Education and Culture". Significantly, boko is not included. Rather one finds boko in his category for western concepts expressed in Hausa by SEMANTIC EXTENSION of pre-existent Hausa words.

According to Muhammad, boko originally meant "Something (an idea or object) that involves a fraud or any form of deception" and, by extension, the noun denoted "Any reading or writing which is not connected with Islam. The word is usually preceded with 'Karatun' [lit. writing/studying of]. 'Karatun Boko' therefore means the Western type of Education."


So... Boko Haram doesn't mean Western education is forbidden.

(Karatun) Boko Haram would.

...

Stupid media!
 
2014-05-07 04:39:57 PM
Their name could me howl at the moon and whitey is the devil for all I care. They still seem like a pack of aholes that dont want women to be educated.
 
2014-05-07 04:40:38 PM
Boko Haram treats schoolgirls like a Hollywood director treats ... schoolgirls ... and boys.
 
2014-05-07 04:43:46 PM

The Green Intern: No, it means "ass-backwards barbarians that hate the idea of people learning things beyond the scope of their religion."  I went to school with their western counterparts.


You went to school with Republican larvae? My sympathies.
 
2014-05-07 04:44:01 PM

tinyarena: [img.sadistic.pl image 340x260]


Pretty much. They're name can translate to Pretty Princess Pony Farkers and it wouldn't mean a lick as long as they're still out there with those kids.
 
2014-05-07 04:44:02 PM
It means flabbergasted, which is what they be.
 
2014-05-07 04:45:23 PM
So I (sort of) read that, and I thought it said that's pretty much exactly what its supposed to mean.
 
2014-05-07 04:45:36 PM
I could give a fark what their stupid name means.  They need to eat a bowl of shiat and die a slow painful death.

Got-damn, West Africa is farked.
 
2014-05-07 04:47:47 PM

Snarfangel: MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

Whatever you do, don't look up "Yoko Harem." Just don't do it.


I looked it up.  Meh.  that was nothing.

What you don't want to look up is "lotus birth".  Do NOT look that shiat up.
 
2014-05-07 04:50:21 PM
So boko refers to the type of education seen as fraudulent and offensive to the local culture which was imposed by the British during the colonial period.... or in short, Western education. And numerous scholars have pointed out that Boko Haram itself says that its main goal is the opposition of Western indoctrination. So, yeah, "Western education is a sin/forbidden" is pretty damn close even if it's a little simplified.
 
2014-05-07 04:53:02 PM

moothemagiccow: Hey I don't give a shiat what the "murder everything and abduct young women" group's name means. Make them stop.


Some of us might be interested in the cunning linguistics of the Hausa language.
 
2014-05-07 04:53:24 PM
a word that came to be applied to a century-old British colonial education policy

So, western education.  Thanks, exit left to funway.

/god this is an awesome moment! The last stronghold of unhip resistance -- outta sight! Under eight million hardbound copies of The Naked Lunch! It's all over! We're coming home!
 
2014-05-07 04:55:14 PM

NobleHam: So boko refers to the type of education seen as fraudulent and offensive to the local culture which was imposed by the British during the colonial period.... or in short, Western education. And numerous scholars have pointed out that Boko Haram itself says that its main goal is the opposition of Western indoctrination. So, yeah, "Western education is a sin/forbidden" is pretty damn close even if it's a little simplified.


I dunno, I think the context adds a little something. It's easy to think the reflexive hate of Western culture is just a purely religious thing, and to forget that we've given them a farkload of reasons to distrust us. And that we've spent most of history trying to force our culture on anyone different.
 
2014-05-07 04:55:37 PM

groppet: Their name could me howl at the moon and whitey is the devil for all I care. They still seem like a pack of aholes that dont want women to be educated.


farking this.  And can the media please stop saying the girls were "married off"?  They were raped and enslaved.
 
2014-05-07 04:56:14 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: MelGoesOnTour: timujin: MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

"boko" has a variety of meanings focused around denoting "things or actions having to do with fraudulence, sham, or inauthenticity"

Thank you.

That's the literal meaning, but the way these guys use it it specifically refers to the fraudulence of Westernism and Western education in particular.


So it's Western education is a fraud?  Western education is a sham?  But not a sin so, we're ok?
 
2014-05-07 04:57:17 PM
Actually, that is what is pretty much means:  "Books are Sinful" you farkwit subby.
 
2014-05-07 04:59:01 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.


It means, 'Stop liking things I don't like'.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-07 04:59:23 PM
It's a shorthand like "pro choice", "pro life", "family friendly", and so forth. These aren't just made up phrases, but if you spend too much time debating etymology you miss the point.
 
2014-05-07 04:59:25 PM
Inconceivable!!!


/not obscure
 
2014-05-07 04:59:36 PM

trappedspirit: Rev. Skarekroe: MelGoesOnTour: timujin: MelGoesOnTour: Article is too long to read (tho' I did scan it quickly). I still don't know what Boko Haram actually means.

"boko" has a variety of meanings focused around denoting "things or actions having to do with fraudulence, sham, or inauthenticity"

Thank you.

That's the literal meaning, but the way these guys use it it specifically refers to the fraudulence of Westernism and Western education in particular.

So it's Western education is a fraud?  Western education is a sham?  But not a sin so, we're ok?


Seems like a pretty big difference between forbidden, sinful knowledge, and outright lies. Knowing how it all looks from their perspective isn't entirely useless.
 
2014-05-07 05:01:27 PM
No, it means "ass-backwards barbarians that hate the idea of people learning things beyond the scope of their religion."  I went to school with their western counterparts.


Because teaching kids the world is 6000 years old and Jesus rode Dinosaurs is TOTALLY the same as kidnapping young girls and selling them into slavery and forced marriages.

/TOTALLY the same
 
2014-05-07 05:02:42 PM
Boko Haram missed the point. Instead of kidnapping children to sell, they could have peddled online education. What homeschooled Farker wouldn't want a prestigious degree from Boko U, plus the T-Shirt, all for $45,000+fees? Blame their century-old colonial British education for not seeing that.

www.fatpickled.com
 
2014-05-07 05:04:24 PM
It's not that boko means "Western" education specifically, rather any non-Islamic and/or whatever goes against their stupid little traditions. It's just that the Western model of education is dominant across Africa and much of the world, so in practice it means Western-style modern education.
 
2014-05-07 05:06:23 PM

Hz so good: Boko Haram doesn't really mean "Western education is a sin" despite what you may have learned from Western media


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In other news, sometimes words or phrases in different languages don't directly translate well. You must infer meaning from usage and context. Film at 11.


Exactly. As you and the other poster pointed out, some words don't have a literal translation because the word has a cultural meaning that doesn't extend well to outsiders
 
2014-05-07 05:07:47 PM
The problem is not what their name means now, it's that it does not yet mean 'that smoking hole in the ground that used to be a bunch of assholes'
 
2014-05-07 05:14:38 PM
So Boko Haram isn't the people against common core? I just can't keep up anymore.
 
2014-05-07 05:16:54 PM

sendtodave: The correct answer was implicitly presented by Liman Muhammad, a Hausa scholar from northern Nigeria, some 45 years ago. In his study of neologisms and lexical enrichment in Hausa, Muhammad (pp. 8-10) gives a list of somewhat over 200 loanwords borrowed from English into Hausa in the area of "Western Education and Culture". Significantly, boko is not included. Rather one finds boko in his category for western concepts expressed in Hausa by SEMANTIC EXTENSION of pre-existent Hausa words.

According to Muhammad, boko originally meant "Something (an idea or object) that involves a fraud or any form of deception" and, by extension, the noun denoted "Any reading or writing which is not connected with Islam. The word is usually preceded with 'Karatun' [lit. writing/studying of]. 'Karatun Boko' therefore means the Western type of Education."

So... Boko Haram doesn't mean Western education is forbidden.

(Karatun) Boko Haram would.

...

Stupid media!


IT's like saying "the Klan really doesn't mean terror and violence. Oh you mean the Ku Klux Klan. Oh well, that changes everything."
 
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