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(Politico)   Sen. Harry Reid (D-erpenstein) says "the MAIN cause of climate change" is (a) an overabundance of CO2 in the atmosphere, (b) our over-reliance on fossil fuels, (c), the Koch brothers   (politico.com) divider line 252
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2014-05-07 12:16:30 PM
I'd like to see the transcript because it strikes me that the video is edited to take his comments out of context.
 
2014-05-07 12:17:54 PM

mrshowrules: I'd like to see the transcript because it strikes me that the video is edited to take his comments out of context.


the GOP would NEVER do that!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-07 12:19:24 PM
Well c causes b which causes a so all three would be correct.
 
2014-05-07 12:28:00 PM
Harry Reid might be addicted to Koch.

or

Harry Reid should probably see a doctor, since his Koch rager has lasted for more than four hours.

/Not to be misunderstood, the Koch brothers are terrible for this country, but they are not boogeymen.
 
2014-05-07 12:35:34 PM
Well, Subby, the problem is that your direct "quote" in the headline ("the MAIN cause of climate change") was never actually said by Reid, so you're what's technically known lying sack of shiat.  As you can see in this video of the actual speech, and as plainly quoted in TFA, what he actually said was this:

These billionaire oil tycoons are certainly experts at contributing to climate change. That's what they do very well. They are one of the main causes of this. Not a cause, one of the main causes.

And no, I don't think it's a stretch to say that ignoring the reality of climate change contributes to making it worse, and the Koch brothers are among the most active and well-funded deniers.

Actually, you can't blame  Subby too much for this.  As he once admitted to me, "I am the most retarded in the world.  Not just a retarded liar, but the most retard liar."
 
2014-05-07 12:47:05 PM

Cyberluddite: Well, Subby, the problem is that your direct "quote" in the headline ("the MAIN cause of climate change") was never actually said by Reid, so you're what's technically known lying sack of shiat. As you can see in this video of the actual speech, and as plainly quoted in TFA, what he actually said was this:

These billionaire oil tycoons are certainly experts at contributing to climate change. That's what they do very well. They are one of the main causes of this. Not a cause, one of the main causes.


Subby's ass virginity is no more.
 
2014-05-07 12:50:26 PM
I suppose that's better than blaming it on "The Devil" or "The Obomination"
 
2014-05-07 12:57:08 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I suppose that's better than blaming it on "The Devil" or "The Obomination"


Pshaw.  Either of those would require acknowledging that it is even happening... which is as likely as a third term for Obama.
 
2014-05-07 01:04:19 PM

Cyberluddite: Well, Subby, the problem is that your direct "quote" in the headline ("the MAIN cause of climate change") was never actually said by Reid, so you're what's technically known lying sack of shiat.  As you can see in this video of the actual speech, and as plainly quoted in TFA, what he actually said was this:

These billionaire oil tycoons are certainly experts at contributing to climate change. That's what they do very well. They are one of the main causes of this. Not a cause, one of the main causes.

And no, I don't think it's a stretch to say that ignoring the reality of climate change contributes to making it worse, and the Koch brothers are among the most active and well-funded deniers.

Actually, you can't blame  Subby too much for this.  As he once admitted to me, "I am the most retarded in the world.  Not just a retarded liar, but the most retard liar."


Beautifully said.

I totally agree, but I'll bet you a month's TF that the derp brigade shows up shortly and continues to argue that Reid is obsessing about the Koch's for political gain, completely ignoring what he really said or the reality of orchestrated climate change denial.

This is a new Rush Talking Point and the chicken must be farked.
 
2014-05-07 01:09:26 PM
He's not wrong.

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2014-05-07 01:21:43 PM

ManateeGag: mrshowrules: I'd like to see the transcript because it strikes me that the video is edited to take his comments out of context.

the GOP would NEVER do that!



No, but they'll happily take advantage of the Breitbarts who would.
 
2014-05-07 01:23:43 PM
Subby's all wet obviously.

But on the larger topic, I really have to wonder if Harry Reid is making a tactical error by mentioning them by name as frequently as he has.  Yes, it's good to put a name to the prime movers.  But he's not in a position where he should personalize.  It makes it look like a personal attack instead a moral or policy position.

For as much as I like to see those farks called out by name, perhaps Reid's not the one who should be doing that.

Just a thought.  Clearly I'm of two minds on the matter.
 
2014-05-07 01:26:09 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: He's not wrong.

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It's not that it is wrong, it is just terribly impolite of him to mention it and drag these generous job creator's names in the mud.  Reid should be more measured and cautious in his statements, like the Republicans.
 
2014-05-07 01:28:00 PM
Perhaps a bit hyperbolic, but not untrue
 
2014-05-07 01:34:56 PM

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: He's not wrong.

Link

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It's not that it is wrong, it is just terribly impolite of him to mention it and drag these generous job creator's names in the mud.  Reid should be more measured and cautious in his statements, like the Republicans.


I'd use surrogates.  I wouldn't like to see him inadvertently strengthening their support by feeding their supporters' paranoia and distrust of the government.  Starve the right wing noise machine of fuel.

Then again, they'd be carrying on like this government is the worst tyranny evar regardless.

Like I said, I'm of two minds.
 
2014-05-07 01:39:31 PM
subby: "the MAIN cause..."
TFA headline: "Reid: Kochs 'main causes'..."
Reid: "one of the main causes..."

Because what Reid said is actually not a difficult point to make, subby and TFA had to re-word it

Don't let this stop you from being outraged, though
 
2014-05-07 01:42:16 PM

Diogenes: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: He's not wrong.

Link

Link

Link, PDF

It's not that it is wrong, it is just terribly impolite of him to mention it and drag these generous job creator's names in the mud.  Reid should be more measured and cautious in his statements, like the Republicans.

I'd use surrogates.  I wouldn't like to see him inadvertently strengthening their support by feeding their supporters' paranoia and distrust of the government.  Starve the right wing noise machine of fuel.

Then again, they'd be carrying on like this government is the worst tyranny evar regardless.

Like I said, I'm of two minds.


I disagree. Calling them out keeps them from doing their thing unhindered. Like Dracula, they don't do well in broad daylight.
 
2014-05-07 01:48:03 PM

Diogenes: mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: He's not wrong.

Link

Link

Link, PDF

It's not that it is wrong, it is just terribly impolite of him to mention it and drag these generous job creator's names in the mud.  Reid should be more measured and cautious in his statements, like the Republicans.

I'd use surrogates.  I wouldn't like to see him inadvertently strengthening their support by feeding their supporters' paranoia and distrust of the government.  Starve the right wing noise machine of fuel.

Then again, they'd be carrying on like this government is the worst tyranny evar regardless.

Like I said, I'm of two minds.


I like Reid.  I wish more of them were like that.  Like Grayson for instance.
 
2014-05-07 01:58:26 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: He's not wrong.

Link

Link

Link, PDF


His argument isn't very helpful though. It sounds like a, "Uh-huh, Nuh-nah, Un-huh, Nuh-nah plus infinity" type of argument. Your links are better (TLDR). Partisans on the denial side certainly aren't going to find it effective.

Finding an effective argument should be his goal...using their own language...using advocates (like farmers) that are hard to attack and are part of their natural constituency...using some sarcasm and humor ala the Colbert Report and the Daily Show...continuous fact advertisement and fact checking and debunking.

I fondly remember Colbert interviewing some guy who supported the 10 commandments in government places. The poor shlub couldn't name them. The genius was Colbert keeping his fingers down and only raising them when the poor shlub named one. The recent daily show with the view of a health care clinic for the poor in TN and then the ambush of the self-annointed health care expert. Both were brutal.
 
2014-05-07 02:09:50 PM
I hope we have a real scorcher this summer, especially in the Southeast, because the general public is swayed only by the current temperature, not the state of the science that shows climate change is real, is having an effect on the public already, and we need to take steps to adapt to it, because the mitigation ship has sailed.
 
2014-05-07 02:10:07 PM

LadySusan: The recent daily show with the view of a health care clinic for the poor in TN and then the ambush of the self-annointed health care expert. Both were brutal.


I almost felt bad for that dumb f*ck.  I mean, I feel bad that he's a dumb f*ck and all.
 
2014-05-07 02:17:08 PM

Cyberluddite: And no, I don't think it's a stretch to say that ignoring the reality of climate change contributes to making it worse, and the Koch brothers are among the most active and well-funded deniers.


It might be interesting to work out the numbers on how much the operation of Koch Industries contributes to anthropogenic climate change.
 
2014-05-07 02:22:04 PM

vpb: Well c causes b which causes a so all three would be correct.


Holy fark, how old are they?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-07 02:30:49 PM

BMFPitt: vpb: Well c causes b which causes a so all three would be correct.

Holy fark, how old are they?


I don't know exactly.  Older than the PAC they created.

Why?  Were you trying to make some sort of point?
 
2014-05-07 02:47:20 PM

factoryconnection: LadySusan: The recent daily show with the view of a health care clinic for the poor in TN and then the ambush of the self-annointed health care expert. Both were brutal.

I almost felt bad for that dumb f*ck.  I mean, I feel bad that he's a dumb f*ck and all.


Yes, yes indeed. What's that theory where you're so stupid and ignorant that you think you're not?
 
2014-05-07 02:47:39 PM

Diogenes: Subby's all wet obviously.

But on the larger topic, I really have to wonder if Harry Reid is making a tactical error by mentioning them by name as frequently as he has.  Yes, it's good to put a name to the prime movers.  But he's not in a position where he should personalize.   It makes it look like a personal attack instead a moral or policy position.

For as much as I like to see those farks called out by name, perhaps Reid's not the one who should be doing that.

Just a thought.  Clearly I'm of two minds on the matter.


It is a personal attack.
 
2014-05-07 02:48:20 PM

vpb: Why?  Were you trying to make some sort of point?


The industrial revolution started quite a bit before they were born.

But by now I should know better than to make jokes that require an IQ above room temperature to comprehend if I don't want to explain them.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-07 03:08:37 PM

BMFPitt: vpb: Why?  Were you trying to make some sort of point?

The industrial revolution started quite a bit before they were born.

But by now I should know better than to make jokes that require an IQ above room temperature to comprehend if I don't want to explain them.


Ah, so only the CO2 emitted right at the beginning of the industrial revolution had anything to do with climate change and the CO2 producing industry owned by the Koch brothers Isn't  a part of that industrial revolution at all.  And the responsibility for the climate change denial organizations created and/or funded by the Kochs has nothing to do with them but dates from the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Yes, that's so obvious I should have realized it immediately.
 
2014-05-07 03:16:16 PM

vpb: Well c causes b which causes a so all three would be correct.


Ah, the incredibly rare option 'd'...

/'all of the above'
 
2014-05-07 03:39:44 PM

vpb: Ah, so only the CO2 emitted right at the beginning of the industrial revolution had anything to do with climate change and the CO2 producing industry owned by the Koch brothers Isn't  a part of that industrial revolution at all.  And the responsibility for the climate change denial organizations created and/or funded by the Kochs has nothing to do with them but dates from the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Yes, that's so obvious I should have realized it immediately.


Wow, that derp is so powerful we should harness it to create a new form of energy.
 
2014-05-07 04:03:18 PM
No, they're the main preventer of fighting the problem.
 
2014-05-07 04:04:06 PM
Actually, when you do the calculus, he is 100% correct.
If you don't see it, you're a neo-con.
 
2014-05-07 04:04:23 PM
The CO2ch brothers!
 
2014-05-07 04:04:39 PM
I'm pretty sure C) made their fortune by B), which in tern causes A), but who am I to question the Job Creators (TM) of the world?
 
2014-05-07 04:05:35 PM
Well, they are pretty gassy.
 
2014-05-07 04:05:45 PM

vudukungfu: Actually, when you do the calculus, he is 100% correct.
If you don't see it, you're a neo-con.


A imperial pseudo-intellectual movement built around military and economic dominance of other countries?
 
2014-05-07 04:08:48 PM
I didn't know that herp and derp were contributing so much to climate change. We must sequester politicians mouths, or at the very least harness them to produce enough power to de-herp the derp.
 
2014-05-07 04:10:08 PM
You know, for a group of people that makes such a big stink about displaying the Ten Commandments, they sure don't mind bearing false witness when it suits their needs.
 
2014-05-07 04:11:29 PM

Cyberluddite: Well, Subby, the problem is that your direct "quote" in the headline ("the MAIN cause of climate change") was never actually said by Reid, so you're what's technically known lying sack of shiat.  As you can see in this video of the actual speech, and as plainly quoted in TFA, what he actually said was this:

These billionaire oil tycoons are certainly experts at contributing to climate change. That's what they do very well. They are one of the main causes of this. Not a cause, one of the main causes.

And no, I don't think it's a stretch to say that ignoring the reality of climate change contributes to making it worse, and the Koch brothers are among the most active and well-funded deniers.

Actually, you can't blame  Subby too much for this.  As he once admitted to me, "I am the most retarded in the world.  Not just a retarded liar, but the most retard liar."


Thread over. Subby got biatch slapped.
 
2014-05-07 04:11:38 PM
It is pants on head stoopid to even consider them one of the main sources.... but I guess it polls well.
 
2014-05-07 04:12:34 PM

meat0918: I hope we have a real scorcher this summer, especially in the Southeast, because the general public is swayed only by the current temperature, not the state of the science that shows climate change is real, is having an effect on the public already, and we need to take steps to adapt to it, because the mitigation ship has sailed.


Texas is in year 6 of an epic killer drought. It's not as bad this year, but our local reservoirs are less than 1/3rd full.

yourweatherblog.com
 
2014-05-07 04:13:25 PM

Cyberluddite: Well, Subby, the problem is that your direct "quote" in the headline ("the MAIN cause of climate change") was never actually said by Reid, so you're what's technically known lying sack of shiat.  As you can see in this video of the actual speech, and as plainly quoted in TFA, what he actually said was this:

These billionaire oil tycoons are certainly experts at contributing to climate change. That's what they do very well. They are one of the main causes of this. Not a cause, one of the main causes.


Are we talking Harry Reid the person, or Harry Reid the caricature?

Because I'm pretty sure the caricature said "The Koch brothers are too rich and blah blah blah I'm a whiny liberal and I hate freedom."
 
2014-05-07 04:13:51 PM
That settles it, the Koch brothers are enemies of humanity and must be dealt with as such....
 
2014-05-07 04:13:56 PM

LadySusan: factoryconnection: LadySusan: The recent daily show with the view of a health care clinic for the poor in TN and then the ambush of the self-annointed health care expert. Both were brutal.

I almost felt bad for that dumb f*ck.  I mean, I feel bad that he's a dumb f*ck and all.

Yes, yes indeed. What's that theory where you're so stupid and ignorant that you think you're not?


Dunning-Kruger effect.
 
2014-05-07 04:14:10 PM

Diogenes: Subby's all wet obviously.

But on the larger topic, I really have to wonder if Harry Reid is making a tactical error by mentioning them by name as frequently as he has.  Yes, it's good to put a name to the prime movers.  But he's not in a position where he should personalize.  It makes it look like a personal attack instead a moral or policy position.

For as much as I like to see those farks called out by name, perhaps Reid's not the one who should be doing that.

Just a thought.  Clearly I'm of two minds on the matter.


I love Harry Reid for taking the fight to conservatives.

The right can say anything about anybody and no one bats an eye, but whenever Democrats get "uncivil" the Washington Posts and the Morning Joes drag out their fainting couches and demand apologies. They usually get them... but not from Harry Reid. Don't like what he said about Romney's taxes? Prove him wrong. Prove him the fark wrong.

Give 'em hell, Harry.
 
2014-05-07 04:14:38 PM

Saiga410: It is pants on head stoopid to even consider them one of the main sources.... but I guess it polls well.


Hey so what are the main sources?
 
2014-05-07 04:14:50 PM

maniacbastard: That settles it, the Koch brothers are enemies of humanity and must be dealt with as such....


Or you know, they could merely be wrong-headed libertarians, and not evil monsters.
 
2014-05-07 04:15:52 PM

meat0918: I hope we have a real scorcher this summer, especially in the Southeast, because the general public is swayed only by the current temperature, not the state of the science that shows climate change is real, is having an effect on the public already, and we need to take steps to adapt to it, because the mitigation ship has sailed.



When the entire corn crop dies one year due to repeated 112 degree days, people will notice.
http://www.clemson.edu/extension/rowcrops/corn/guide/environmental_c on ditions.html
 
2014-05-07 04:15:57 PM

Maud Dib: Texas is in year 6 of an epic killer drought. It's not as bad this year, but our local reservoirs are less than 1/3rd full.


Which given the fact that Texas Oil and Gas industry helped cause the problem in the first place makes me warm watching them suffer.

\But I live in Texas to.
\\Crap.
 
2014-05-07 04:16:15 PM
The government has been in charge of land use planning and road construction for most of the 20th century, and has controlled the location and layout of every type of urban structure.

Government-designed urban space is the reason almost everyone uses cars.  They've designed urban space in a way that virtually requires cars, for most people.

In this way (and several other ways), the government has subsidized the car and oil industries.

As a general fact of life, the government is about as good at designing urban space as it is at building websites.
 
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