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(BGR)   Yup... The FCC's new net neutrality proposal is already ruining the Internet   (bgr.com) divider line 105
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2014-05-07 02:27:53 PM  
That was fast.
 
2014-05-07 02:57:09 PM  
ISP's don't need any excuse to slow you down, AT&T's DSL is barely fast enough to run Youtube much less Netflix.
 
2014-05-07 03:29:53 PM  
That was a remarkably insightful and nuanced article that brought a great deal of new understanding to this issue. It's refreshing to see bloggers doing more for the issues they care about than simply regurgitating the same information that's been posted a million times everywhere else, only with more concern. This fills me with hope for a future of journalism in which citizen bloggers take up the lines of defense around our beleaguered Fourth Estate.
 
2014-05-07 03:30:18 PM  
Thanks, Al Gore.
 
2014-05-07 03:31:02 PM  
Damn, I dunno, according to BuGgeR we're seeing results even before the damn thing exists.  That's pretty good speed.
 
2014-05-07 03:32:36 PM  
Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.
 
2014-05-07 03:33:09 PM  
Can't we all just go back o 56k -- that would really help spread the bandwidth around.
 
2014-05-07 03:34:00 PM  

Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.


I kinda like my unsolicited BIE.
 
2014-05-07 03:34:38 PM  

Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.


When they finally outlaw malformed packets, only criminals will have malformed packets.
 
2014-05-07 03:36:05 PM  
Just like Russia, even the fear of sanctions sends the money running. I'll miss the internet. It was good times.
 
2014-05-07 03:37:05 PM  

Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.


Well Fark, nice knowin' ya!
 
2014-05-07 03:38:16 PM  
Without fear of new free to use competition, I might be expected to pay for porn. That cannot happen.
 
2014-05-07 03:38:37 PM  
In a nut shell, the report notes that the mere possibility that the FCC's new net neutrality proposal will pass is causing venture capital firms to stop funding startups with services that rely on fast Internet connections for videos, music or other services. The fear is that such companies may need to pay a ransom to large ISPs in the future, and those fees could dramatically impact their profitability.

...yeeessss.... terrrrrrrifying.... paying for the bandwidth you use... haaaaaaaang them at Nuremberg...
 
2014-05-07 03:41:21 PM  
I tried to send an email to the FCC to complain, but it just sat there going "Sending..." forever.
 
2014-05-07 03:41:28 PM  

Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.


But Fark would cease to exist if they did that!
 
2014-05-07 03:41:46 PM  
You all hoped for change.

Congrats! You got it.


// wonder how many whiners have cut their cable provider. (I'd bet it is, much like their messiah a Zero)
 
2014-05-07 03:42:43 PM  

OnlyM3: You all hoped for change.

Congrats! You got it.

// wonder how many whiners have cut their cable provider. (I'd bet it is, much like their messiah a Zero)


Perhaps if you tried harder?
 
2014-05-07 03:43:30 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: In a nut shell, the report notes that the mere possibility that the FCC's new net neutrality proposal will pass is causing venture capital firms to stop funding startups with services that rely on fast Internet connections for videos, music or other services. The fear is that such companies may need to pay a ransom to large ISPs in the future, and those fees could dramatically impact their profitability.

...yeeessss.... terrrrrrrifying.... paying for the bandwidth you use... haaaaaaaang them at Nuremberg...


4/10
 
2014-05-07 03:44:51 PM  
Obvious tag on coffee break?
 
2014-05-07 03:45:30 PM  
Welp, it was fun while it lasted. I'm going to go see what's going on outside.
 
2014-05-07 03:45:48 PM  
And since no one in politics cares, this will end up festering for years with most people giving up or trying to work around the issue.  It could also mean that large companies will continue to eat more startups.
 
2014-05-07 03:46:43 PM  
We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?
 
2014-05-07 03:46:57 PM  

Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.


Oh hell!  What will I do when I get too drunk to play video games late at night?
 
2014-05-07 03:51:33 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: In a nut shell, the report notes that the mere possibility that the FCC's new net neutrality proposal will pass is causing venture capital firms to stop funding startups with services that rely on fast Internet connections for videos, music or other services. The fear is that such companies may need to pay a ransom to large ISPs in the future, and those fees could dramatically impact their profitability.

...yeeessss.... terrrrrrrifying.... paying for the bandwidth you use... haaaaaaaang them at Nuremberg...


3/10
 
2014-05-07 03:52:30 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?


You also wouldn't expect to rent an office building, pay your rent to the building owner, and then have the owner also charge the movers rent when they put your stuff in it.
 
2014-05-07 03:53:10 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?


YOU need to start thinking of the ISPs service as roads. EVERYONE drives on it. Why should i pay you to use it AND force the people i'm visiting to pay you also. They are already paying to use the roads where the fark do you get off charging them for visitors?
 
2014-05-07 03:53:56 PM  
How about more and bigger government?  That always worked before.
 
2014-05-07 03:55:09 PM  
Every scifi movie has a decent centralized computer information system. That is where we need to be going. If this is the first step toward that future, we all need to hop aboard.
 
2014-05-07 03:55:28 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?


I was going to rate this one 5/10, but you seem to have hooked a few with it, so nicely done.

8/10.
 
2014-05-07 03:55:52 PM  

paygun: How about more and bigger government?  That always worked before.


How bout more and bigger monopolies?  That always worked before.
 
2014-05-07 03:56:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?


Yeah, pay more to send/receive more bits. Fine. That's not the problem here.

The problem is changing the price to send a bit just because of what is being transmitted, who's sending it, or who is receiving it.
 
2014-05-07 03:56:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?


Because the internet works well as is and we don't need to break it to make some shiatheel an extra revenue stream. Do people somehow think this is going to benefit the consumer in anyway? curious why anyone that isn't poised to make money off this would try to advocate for it...
 
2014-05-07 03:59:34 PM  
So I RTA and I think the most depressing andt somewhat swept-under-the-rug bit is that not only a quarter of the senior-level students are preforming with proficiency.  No mention of what "proficiency" actually is.  If proficiency is "passing" then we are in for a world of hurt if only one quarter of the nation's students aren't failures.  What I would be interested in is the rate of change in the amount of students who are excelling in their studies.
 
2014-05-07 04:00:16 PM  
oops wrong thread
 
2014-05-07 04:01:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?


Nice troll, but the analogy should be more like this: Here's 1000 square feet, it costs $X. It doesn't matter if you use that space to make movies and become a billionaire, or if you stand in the middle holding a sign that says "the end is near", the space is the same, and the cost is the same.

What the ISPs want is to put a "home value" on that space depending on how successful you've become or want to become.

There's been plenty of leakge reports to show that the companies have more than enough bandwidth to accommodate netflix twice over. And has been shown time and time again that they are doing this simply to generate more profits.
 
2014-05-07 04:04:36 PM  

Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.


And, no texting.
 
2014-05-07 04:04:48 PM  
Is there really anything wrong with another Mega Corp controlling another aspect of your life?
 
2014-05-07 04:05:52 PM  

Delta1212: Welp, it was fun while it lasted. I'm going to go see what's going on outside.


Use sunscreen.
 
2014-05-07 04:06:48 PM  

Cpl.D: OnlyM3: You all hoped for change.

Congrats! You got it.

// wonder how many whiners have cut their cable provider. (I'd bet it is, much like their messiah a Zero)

Perhaps if you tried harder?


He is obviously trolling.

However, at what point does the current administration have to take responsibility?  Seeing as it's in its 6th year and the current FCC chairman was appointed by President Obama over 6 months ago, it is getting a LITTLE hard to blame someone else...

(not to mention his candidate was President of the National Cable Television Association, CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association, and inducted to the Cable Television Hall of Fame.  No conflict of interest there at all.....)
 
2014-05-07 04:08:07 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: In a nut shell, the report notes that the mere possibility that the FCC's new net neutrality proposal will pass is causing venture capital firms to stop funding startups with services that rely on fast Internet connections for videos, music or other services. The fear is that such companies may need to pay a ransom to large ISPs in the future, and those fees could dramatically impact their profitability.

...yeeessss.... terrrrrrrifying.... paying for the bandwidth you use... haaaaaaaang them at Nuremberg...


Hmm... I think much of that concern is nullified by content delivery and distribution networks. Seems to me it' the last mile where the majority of the abuse is taking place.
 
2014-05-07 04:09:22 PM  

CeroX: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?

Nice troll, but the analogy should be more like this: Here's 1000 square feet, it costs $X. It doesn't matter if you use that space to make movies and become a billionaire, or if you stand in the middle holding a sign that says "the end is near", the space is the same, and the cost is the same.

What the ISPs want is to put a "home value" on that space depending on how successful you've become or want to become.

There's been plenty of leakge reports to show that the companies have more than enough bandwidth to accommodate netflix twice over. And has been shown time and time again that they are doing this simply to generate more profits.



How about this:

Previously, the internet was like a toll road: you paid to enter from the west side driving east, OR you paid to enter from the east side driving west.  Now there's an extra toll plaza in the middle of the road charging drivers who've already paid to be there, for no damn reason at all.
 
2014-05-07 04:09:42 PM  
In the absence of regulation, businesses will do everything possible to maximize profit. And if that means stifling innovation, crushing competition, and screwing the customer - well, that's just the way the unfair market works.
 
2014-05-07 04:10:39 PM  
On the bright side, the less time you jackholes spend yapping Fark, the more you'll spend working and thus my 401k will see insane profits. GET BACK TO WORK!
 
2014-05-07 04:12:07 PM  

Private_Citizen: In the absence of regulation, businesses will do everything possible to maximize short-term profit. And if that means stifling innovation, crushing competition, and screwing the customer - well, that's just the way the unfair market works.



Left to their own devices, businesses would never have created the internet in the first place, so this entire sector of the economy wouldn't exist.  Nobody would be making any money.  It only exists at all because of government and academic investment.
 
2014-05-07 04:14:54 PM  
It's like a club letting pretty girls in for free and charging ugly girls $10.
 
2014-05-07 04:15:25 PM  
huntercr:

Hmm... I think much of that concern is nullified by content delivery and distribution networks. Seems to me it' the last mile where the majority of the abuse is taking place.

It is. Basically, the big players want to over-subscribe the hell out of the local loops, while expecting their end-users to also cover upgrade costs. Can't impact profit margins one bit, can we?

The DPI and overly aggressive traffic shaping happens a little further back in the pipeline.
 
2014-05-07 04:19:53 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: In a nut shell, the report notes that the mere possibility that the FCC's new net neutrality proposal will pass is causing venture capital firms to stop funding startups with services that rely on fast Internet connections for videos, music or other services. The fear is that such companies may need to pay a ransom to large ISPs in the future, and those fees could dramatically impact their profitability.

...yeeessss.... terrrrrrrifying.... paying for the bandwidth you use... haaaaaaaang them at Nuremberg...


2/10
 
2014-05-07 04:21:13 PM  

jshine: CeroX: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?

Nice troll, but the analogy should be more like this: Here's 1000 square feet, it costs $X. It doesn't matter if you use that space to make movies and become a billionaire, or if you stand in the middle holding a sign that says "the end is near", the space is the same, and the cost is the same.

What the ISPs want is to put a "home value" on that space depending on how successful you've become or want to become.

There's been plenty of leakge reports to show that the companies have more than enough bandwidth to accommodate netflix twice over. And has been shown time and time again that they are doing this simply to generate more profits.


How about this:

Previously, the internet was like a toll road: you paid to enter from the west side driving east, OR you paid to enter from the east side driving west.  Now there's an extra toll plaza in the middle of the road charging drivers who've already paid to be there, for no damn reason at all.


Or, they've added new tolls to three lanes and are routing everyone else through the fourth. Don't want to be stuck in the traffic jam we're creating? Pay up.
 
2014-05-07 04:29:31 PM  

Delta1212: jshine: CeroX: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We need to stop thinking of internet access in terms of "fast" or "slow" and instead as "square footage".

You wouldn't expect a storage unit to have the same rent as an office building, so why should a company sending streaming video content be charged the same as text blog?

Nice troll, but the analogy should be more like this: Here's 1000 square feet, it costs $X. It doesn't matter if you use that space to make movies and become a billionaire, or if you stand in the middle holding a sign that says "the end is near", the space is the same, and the cost is the same.

What the ISPs want is to put a "home value" on that space depending on how successful you've become or want to become.

There's been plenty of leakge reports to show that the companies have more than enough bandwidth to accommodate netflix twice over. And has been shown time and time again that they are doing this simply to generate more profits.


How about this:

Previously, the internet was like a toll road: you paid to enter from the west side driving east, OR you paid to enter from the east side driving west.  Now there's an extra toll plaza in the middle of the road charging drivers who've already paid to be there, for no damn reason at all.

Or, they've added new tolls to three lanes and are routing everyone else through the fourth. Don't want to be stuck in the traffic jam we're creating? Pay up.


What's the problem?

I've been informed many times, here and elsewhere, that governmental regulations do nothing but hurt business.

Why do you hate the free market and job creators?
 
2014-05-07 04:32:59 PM  

Cpl.D: Solty Dog: Just like the superhighway, they need to impose speed limits to prevent data crashes. Hopefully soon, they will have a law banning drunk internet usage.

I kinda like my unsolicited BIE.


Is this now a BIE thread?

/EIP
 
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