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2014-05-07 10:45:33 AM  
and therefore he supports a 100% repeal of Obamacare
 
2014-05-07 10:54:46 AM  

mrshowrules: and therefore he supports a 100% repeal of Obamacare


I suspect this socialist is going to get primaried by a Real Conservative soon.
 
2014-05-07 11:03:30 AM  
That's just like the holocaust.
 
2014-05-07 11:05:10 AM  
Just wow.

This guy experiences one of the most awful, discriminatory practices and his response is to double down. Repeal the new system that prevents it, and go back to the system that let's the states find the "solution".

Amazing.
 
2014-05-07 12:17:11 PM  

Rustico: Just wow.

This guy experiences one of the most awful, discriminatory practices and his response is to double down. Repeal the new system that prevents it, and go back to the system that let's the states find the "solution".

Amazing.


But the states wouldn't allow that to happen, unlike the past where they did let that happen, and states did implement their own regulations, because reasons.

Honestly, I can't fathom being that blinded by my own conviction.
 
2014-05-07 12:38:34 PM  

nmrsnr: Rustico: Just wow.

This guy experiences one of the most awful, discriminatory practices and his response is to double down. Repeal the new system that prevents it, and go back to the system that let's the states find the "solution".

Amazing.

But the states wouldn't allow that to happen, unlike the past where they did let that happen, and states did implement their own regulations, because reasons.

Honestly, I can't fathom being that blinded by my own conviction.


That's because its not your job to pander to racist idiots who would gladly hack off their own genitalia if they thought it would spite that n----r in the white house.
 
2014-05-07 12:44:31 PM  
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2014-05-07 12:46:27 PM  
Ethiopians? I guess by-weight shipping is pretty cheap.
 
2014-05-07 12:50:11 PM  
"My wife and I literally didn't have health care for about a year because of a pre-existing condition... For over a year or so, I had no coverage for my entire family. That's a little bit unnerving for people."

Despite unwittingly making a succinct case in favor of health reform, Bevin's takeaway from his own insurance debacle was that we need to repeal Obamacare and instead "let states come up with solutions." He told the crowd that he remains committed to "100 percent repeal,"


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2014-05-07 12:50:14 PM  
It's easy for him to say "100% repeal!"

He gets to benefit from Obamacare and pander to his base knowing repeal isn't going to happen.
 
2014-05-07 12:51:59 PM  

mrshowrules: and therefore he supports a 100% repeal of Obamacare


Well if he gets elected he gets health insurance and does not need to buy it. This falls right into the GOP montra, "Fark you, I got mine"
 
2014-05-07 12:53:54 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-05-07 12:54:52 PM  

mrshowrules: and therefore he supports a 100% repeal of Obamacare


Because he wants the states to take control. Because that worked so well the last 4 decades.

Dude is an idiot.
 
2014-05-07 12:55:34 PM  
Republicans regularly vote against their own personal benefit. It's their nature.
 
2014-05-07 12:57:51 PM  

ColTomParker: Republicans regularly vote against their own personal benefit. It's their nature.


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2014-05-07 12:59:43 PM  
If this is the guy primarying Mitch McConnell, he's going to have to reach a whoooooooole other level of derp to establish any kind of difference.

/former Kentuckian
//miss Louisville
///the rest of KY can EABOD
 
2014-05-07 01:00:24 PM  

Rustico: This guy experiences one of the most awful, discriminatory practices and his response is to double down. Repeal the new system that prevents it, and go back to the system that let's the states find the "solution".


You know who else wanted the state to find a solution?
 
2014-05-07 01:00:34 PM  
Of course he say 100% repeal and mean it.

If he gets elected he'll be on the Senate's healthcare plan which will cover him and his family for life.

Ergo, "I got mine."
 
2014-05-07 01:01:58 PM  
Of all the things the insurance industry was doing, the downright inhuman concept of "re-existing conditions" has to earn them a room in hell beneath the child molesters latrines. I know without any shred of a doubt that if that sh*t wasn't pulled on people, my mother would have had the treatment that she so desperately needed in the 90's and still be alive today. So yeah, this makes it very, very personal for me, and it why I'm so vehemently anti-GOP.
 
2014-05-07 01:02:12 PM  
Wait, what?  He was denied health insurance or his adoptive child was denied health insurance?  I've never heard of this.  I'm not gonna outright call him a liar, but as an adoptive parent myself, all we had to do to get our son on our plan was make one phone call.  Our insurance provider gave us no problems, even before the adoption was finalized.  Something smells fishy here.
 
2014-05-07 01:02:41 PM  
If he doesn't like Obamacare so much then he should drop his kids from his current health insurance coverage so he can go back to the way it was.
 
2014-05-07 01:02:50 PM  
He could have adopted American children, but he obviously hates America.

/America
 
2014-05-07 01:03:21 PM  

Blues_X: That's just like the holocaust.


I think it's official worse now. We're up to 8 million victims of Oblackguy Care, which is worse than the holocaust's 6 million.

/geeze, how sad is that?
 
2014-05-07 01:03:45 PM  
He has adopted overseas kids, and can't get insurance because of them (I guess every insurance company assumed a kid from Ethiopia was bound to have something).

Obamacare passes, outlawing pre-existing condition bans, so now his family can get insurance.

Now, he wants to get elected so he can help overturn Obamacare, even the parts that have helped him.

But remember, if he's elected and Obamacare is repealed, he wouldn't need those parts anyway, because now he'd get insurance from his employer - the evil federal government.

Just another case of "I'm gonna get mine, so fark you."
 
2014-05-07 01:04:17 PM  

Stone Meadow: I think it's officially worse now.


ftfm
 
2014-05-07 01:06:02 PM  

Frozboz: Wait, what?  He was denied health insurance or his adoptive child was denied health insurance?  I've never heard of this.  I'm not gonna outright call him a liar, but as an adoptive parent myself, all we had to do to get our son on our plan was make one phone call.  Our insurance provider gave us no problems, even before the adoption was finalized.  Something smells fishy here.


He's a teatard. Simple stuff like that is too complicated.
 
2014-05-07 01:06:52 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Of all the things the insurance industry was doing, the downright inhuman concept of "re-existing conditions" has to earn them a room in hell beneath the child molesters latrines. I know without any shred of a doubt that if that sh*t wasn't pulled on people, my mother would have had the treatment that she so desperately needed in the 90's and still be alive today. So yeah, this makes it very, very personal for me, and it why I'm so vehemently anti-GOP.


:( Sorry to hear that. I wonder, though, what your alternative would have been at the time? In a time where insurance wasn't "mandatory" how could insurance companies survive without restricting pre-existing conditions? How would they have a large enough pool of healthy people paying premiums to offset the folks who got sick and then bought coverage?

// And no, I'm genuinely not being difficult. I believe it is the system that sucked more than anything the industry chose to do.
 
2014-05-07 01:07:53 PM  

Zerochance: If this is the guy primarying Mitch McConnell, he's going to have to reach a whoooooooole other level of derp to establish any kind of difference.

/former Kentuckian
//miss Louisville
///the rest of KY can EABOD


To be fair, the rest of Kentucky thinks that about Louisville
 :P

/Central Kentucky is much nicer
//unfortunately from northeastern Ky
///We should keep Churchill Downs and give the rest of the city to Indiana
 
2014-05-07 01:08:52 PM  

Frozboz: Wait, what?  He was denied health insurance or his adoptive child was denied health insurance?  I've never heard of this.  I'm not gonna outright call him a liar, but as an adoptive parent myself, all we had to do to get our son on our plan was make one phone call.  Our insurance provider gave us no problems, even before the adoption was finalized.  Something smells fishy here.


Like I said, I guess the insurance company thought an adopted kid from Ethiopia was bound to have something.
Of course, he explicitly says that those kids were the reason he and his wife also couldn't get insurance, which I find hard to believe.  Even if the kids had a legitimate pre-existing condition, an insurance company should have still been happy to make money off a policy which covered him and the missus but not them.

I highly suspect he's flat-out lying to drum up sympathy.
I almost hope McConnell puts out an ad claiming that he had an extramarital affair with a minority, hence his black kids.

/For anyone who didn't get that reference.
 
2014-05-07 01:09:10 PM  

Karac: He has adopted overseas kids, and can't get insurance because of them (I guess every insurance company assumed a kid from Ethiopia was bound to have something).

Obamacare passes, outlawing pre-existing condition bans, so now his family can get insurance.

Now, he wants to get elected so he can help overturn Obamacare, even the parts that have helped him.

But remember, if he's elected and Obamacare is repealed, he wouldn't need those parts anyway, because now he'd get insurance from his employer - the evil federal government.

Just another case of "I'm gonna get mine, so fark you."


I read it as they denied him because he was planning on adopting again.  This would create a wierd point in the actuarial given there is no guarantee that he would not choose a special needs child and create a higher risk than what was originaly agreed upon.  Get insurance then get the ball rolling on adoption.
 
2014-05-07 01:13:41 PM  
This is what happens when people demonize for political gain.  If Obamacare had a lot of problems as proposed, it would be possible to fix them, and even to take credit for fixing a bad law.  But if Obamacare, itself, was pure evil, then the only option is repeal, results be damned.
 
2014-05-07 01:19:47 PM  
At some point hypocrisy needs to officially become a plank in the Republican Party platform.
 
2014-05-07 01:20:57 PM  

dukeblue219: :( Sorry to hear that. I wonder, though, what your alternative would have been at the time? In a time where insurance wasn't "mandatory" how could insurance companies survive without restricting pre-existing conditions? How would they have a large enough pool of healthy people paying premiums to offset the folks who got sick and then bought coverage?

// And no, I'm genuinely not being difficult. I believe it is the system that sucked more than anything the industry chose to do.


I mean it's just a simple indication that healthcare isn't best served by the free market.  It should be financed by the government via taxation.
 
2014-05-07 01:24:14 PM  

ToastmasterGeneral: This is what happens when people demonize for political gain.  If Obamacare had a lot of problems as proposed, it would be possible to fix them, and even to take credit for fixing a bad law.  But if Obamacare, itself, was pure evil, then the only option is repeal, results be damned.


The challenges will be keeping the insurers compliant and increasing the mandate penalty incrementally.  I don't see any flaws in the legislation other than not going far enough and that was a lame compromise to single payer.

However, now that you raise the idea of problems, why not make the State Medicaid expansion mandatory.
 
2014-05-07 01:28:24 PM  

mrshowrules: However, now that you raise the idea of problems, why not make the State Medicaid expansion mandatory.


The fed does not have the power.  They have the money to coerce but not force the states to do most anything.
 
2014-05-07 01:29:06 PM  

Saiga410: Karac: He has adopted overseas kids, and can't get insurance because of them (I guess every insurance company assumed a kid from Ethiopia was bound to have something).

Obamacare passes, outlawing pre-existing condition bans, so now his family can get insurance.

Now, he wants to get elected so he can help overturn Obamacare, even the parts that have helped him.

But remember, if he's elected and Obamacare is repealed, he wouldn't need those parts anyway, because now he'd get insurance from his employer - the evil federal government.

Just another case of "I'm gonna get mine, so fark you."

I read it as they denied him because he was planning on adopting again.  This would create a wierd point in the actuarial given there is no guarantee that he would not choose a special needs child and create a higher risk than what was originaly agreed upon.  Get insurance then get the ball rolling on adoption.



I've filled out many insurance forms. I've never had to check a box that asks, "Do you plan on having children or adopting in the future".  I don't think that's what happened.
 
2014-05-07 01:29:56 PM  

Rustico: Just wow.

This guy experiences one of the most awful, discriminatory practices and his response is to double down. Repeal the new system that prevents it, and go back to the system that let's the states find the "solution".

Amazing.


His idea is sound if combined with the proposal to allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. Some states will likely enact laws requiring that insurance providers not reject any applicant due to a preexisting condition. Those with preexisting conditions would then be free to purchase insurance from one of the providers in one of those states who did not immediately relocate to a different state with substantially more lax regulation.
 
2014-05-07 01:32:57 PM  

QueenMamaBee: We should keep Churchill Downs and give the rest of the city to Indiana


As a Southern Indiana resident and someone who works in Louisville, I'm not sure how to take this :).  It's a nice place!

Karac: I guess the insurance company thought an adopted kid from Ethiopia was bound to have something.


I guess so.  There still seems to be quite a bit missing from the story.  We adopted domestically, and the insurance part was really easy.  Still I've never heard of the parents being denied coverage "because of adoption", that just sounds evil.

Bevin's real problem is the GOP voters now know he has dark-skinned kids.  That nonsense doesn't fly in QueenMamaBee's part of Kentucky!
 
2014-05-07 01:40:48 PM  

Dimensio: His idea is sound if combined with the proposal to allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. Some states will likely enact laws requiring that insurance providers not reject any applicant due to a preexisting condition. Those with preexisting conditions would then be free to purchase insurance from one of the providers in one of those states who did not immediately relocate to a different state with substantially more lax regulation.


Sure, but what if some state doesn't?  Or, what if a handful of states do but the insurers in that region only have local hospitals and doctors in their "network"?

The only sensible ways to do it is to either create a highly regulated framework that the private insurers must adhere to or, pay for healthcare using public funds so that you have a gigantic risk pool.
 
2014-05-07 01:41:38 PM  

SilentStrider: At some point hypocrisy needs to officially become a plank in the Republican Party platform.


Rage against the machine:

Yes I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams

//Irony is Paul Ryan says it is his favorite band
 
2014-05-07 01:43:41 PM  

Dimensio: His idea is sound if combined with the proposal to allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. Some states will likely enact laws requiring that insurance providers not reject any applicant due to a preexisting condition. Those with preexisting conditions would then be free to purchase insurance from one of the providers in one of those states who did not immediately relocate to a different state with substantially more lax regulation.


No, that is not what would happen if you could purchase across state lines. What would happen is the same happen with the credit card companies, insurance companies would all migrate to the state with the least regulation and use that to screw their customers in all sorts of new ways. Get rid of state lines and you get rid of whatever little control you would have had over insurance companies.
 
2014-05-07 01:43:44 PM  

Mercutio74: Dimensio: His idea is sound if combined with the proposal to allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. Some states will likely enact laws requiring that insurance providers not reject any applicant due to a preexisting condition. Those with preexisting conditions would then be free to purchase insurance from one of the providers in one of those states who did not immediately relocate to a different state with substantially more lax regulation.

Sure, but what if some state doesn't?  Or, what if a handful of states do but the insurers in that region only have local hospitals and doctors in their "network"?

The only sensible ways to do it is to either create a highly regulated framework that the private insurers must adhere to or, pay for healthcare using public funds so that you have a gigantic risk pool.


The joke is that no rational and educated individual would expect any medical insurance provider not to relocate to the state with the most lax regulation under such a system.
 
2014-05-07 01:44:24 PM  

Gwyrddu: Dimensio: His idea is sound if combined with the proposal to allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. Some states will likely enact laws requiring that insurance providers not reject any applicant due to a preexisting condition. Those with preexisting conditions would then be free to purchase insurance from one of the providers in one of those states who did not immediately relocate to a different state with substantially more lax regulation.

No, that is not what would happen if you could purchase across state lines. What would happen is the same happen with the credit card companies, insurance companies would all migrate to the state with the least regulation and use that to screw their customers in all sorts of new ways. Get rid of state lines and you get rid of whatever little control you would have had over insurance companies.


Yes, that is the joke.
 
2014-05-07 01:44:43 PM  

Dimensio: The joke is that no rational and educated individual would expect any medical insurance provider not to relocate to the state with the most lax regulation under such a system.


There is that too.
 
2014-05-07 01:45:12 PM  

Karac: Frozboz: Wait, what?  He was denied health insurance or his adoptive child was denied health insurance?  I've never heard of this.  I'm not gonna outright call him a liar, but as an adoptive parent myself, all we had to do to get our son on our plan was make one phone call.  Our insurance provider gave us no problems, even before the adoption was finalized.  Something smells fishy here.

Like I said, I guess the insurance company thought an adopted kid from Ethiopia was bound to have something.
Of course, he explicitly says that those kids were the reason he and his wife also couldn't get insurance, which I find hard to believe.  Even if the kids had a legitimate pre-existing condition, an insurance company should have still been happy to make money off a policy which covered him and the missus but not them.

I highly suspect he's flat-out lying to drum up sympathy.
I almost hope McConnell puts out an ad claiming that he had an extramarital affair with a minority, hence his black kids.

/For anyone who didn't get that reference.


I am surprised he or McConnell for accusing Obama of playing favorites with Obamacare for his fellow Africans.
 
2014-05-07 01:45:56 PM  

Saiga410: mrshowrules: However, now that you raise the idea of problems, why not make the State Medicaid expansion mandatory.

The fed does not have the power.  They have the money to coerce but not force the states to do most anything.


They could withdraw Medicare/Medicaid unless a State was in full-compliance, could they not?
 
2014-05-07 01:46:54 PM  

Gwyrddu: Dimensio: His idea is sound if combined with the proposal to allow persons to purchase insurance across state lines. Some states will likely enact laws requiring that insurance providers not reject any applicant due to a preexisting condition. Those with preexisting conditions would then be free to purchase insurance from one of the providers in one of those states who did not immediately relocate to a different state with substantially more lax regulation.

No, that is not what would happen if you could purchase across state lines. What would happen is the same happen with the credit card companies, insurance companies would all migrate to the state with the least regulation and use that to screw their customers in all sorts of new ways. Get rid of state lines and you get rid of whatever little control you would have had over insurance companies.



Nevermind, I didn't read you comment carefully enough to realize you were agreeing with me. My bad.
 
2014-05-07 01:50:28 PM  

mrshowrules: and therefore he supports a 100% repeal of Obamacare


He supports the repeal of what he believes Obamacare to be. For example, I know someone who hates Obamacare because he believes it requires insurance companies to pay for hair transplants (the cosmetic kind). The fact that this is untrue has nothing to do with his belief. And, dammit, he is not going to support any law that makes businesses cover hair transplants.
 
2014-05-07 01:50:33 PM  

Frozboz: Wait, what?  He was denied health insurance or his adoptive child was denied health insurance?  I've never heard of this.  I'm not gonna outright call him a liar, but as an adoptive parent myself, all we had to do to get our son on our plan was make one phone call.  Our insurance provider gave us no problems, even before the adoption was finalized.  Something smells fishy here.


Bingo. He's a farking liar. He also lied about graduating from MIT when he never even attended school there. Oh, and he lied that he's pro-cockfighting the DAY AFTER delivering a pro-cockfighting speech, at an event held solely to promote cockfighting.
 
2014-05-07 01:51:34 PM  

mrshowrules: Saiga410: mrshowrules: However, now that you raise the idea of problems, why not make the State Medicaid expansion mandatory.

The fed does not have the power.  They have the money to coerce but not force the states to do most anything.

They could withdraw Medicare/Medicaid unless a State was in full-compliance, could they not?



That hurts the old people more than it hurts the politicians.
 
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