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(Uproxx)   Ever wonder why the Walking Dead is not on a regular network? Well, here's a note from an NBC executive about the original show proposal that should clear that question right up   (uproxx.com) divider line 102
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2014-05-07 08:35:43 AM
It's a reasonable request. Saves on font costs and toner if you just change the name to "Walking"
 
2014-05-07 08:42:02 AM
We were very concerned early on what kind of gore we were going to be able to film and what kind of boundaries we were going to be able to push with the show

Um, NBC has Hannibal, which is much gorier than the Walking Dead. Not as violent though, just a lot of corpses "arranged" in farked up ways.
 
2014-05-07 08:54:38 AM

Mugato: NBC has Hannibal, which is much gorier than the Walking Dead


Hannibal has its share of blood, dead bodies, severed limbs, and extruding organs, but it's much more "artistic," sterile and static in its presentation. So much of what you see is after the fact. The Walking Dead is far more animated and much grislier. The latter frequently shows people's bodies being ripped open and apart, skulls being crushed, body parts being severed; you see not only the carefully posed and arranged aftermath that Hannibal shows, but the action itself.
 
2014-05-07 09:14:58 AM

kronicfeld: The latter frequently shows people's bodies being ripped open and apart, skulls being crushed, body parts being severed; you see not only the carefully posed and arranged aftermath that Hannibal shows, but the action itself.


Yeah, that's sort of what I said. Still, it's pretty farked up for network TV. It should have taken Dexter's spot on Showtime.

/the most "normal" kill in Hannibal was the Colombian necktie because that's actually a real thing
 
2014-05-07 09:24:17 AM
I can't see Walking Dead working on a regular network. If it was going to be made into a show, it had to be cable.
 
2014-05-07 09:27:23 AM

Mugato: /the most "normal" kill in Hannibal was the Colombian necktie because that's actually a real thing


You have to give the human cello from season 1 credit for most creative though
 
2014-05-07 09:34:00 AM
Oh by the way, which one's Pink...?
 
2014-05-07 09:37:58 AM
Honestly, I don't think it's that dumb of a question.  You could do a show similar to The Walking Dead without the zombies; just choose a different apocalypse.  Maybe the NBC guy saw the quality of the show, but was worried that zombies were too played-out or would turn off some potential viewers.

It still probably wouldn't have worked as a network show, but then AMC did their damnedest to kill the show their own way.
 
2014-05-07 09:39:21 AM
As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-07 09:40:06 AM

somedude210: Mugato: /the most "normal" kill in Hannibal was the Colombian necktie because that's actually a real thing

You have to give the human cello from season 1 credit for most creative though


I walked away from the show for a combination of a few different reasons. The human cello was one of them. That was the point at which it became clear to me that we weren't even pretending to be connected to the real world any more. Now all I can see is a bunch of writers trying to one-up each other in some game of "What's the Most Freaky-Weird Thing You Can Think Of to Do to a Corpse".
 
2014-05-07 09:40:23 AM
[The Walking Dead] actually did almost get made at NBC. It didn't get made because when the pilot was turned in, the famous story is one of the executives said, 'This is awesome. I really love this. Does it have to have zombies in it?

That's actually not an unreasonable question for this show on a network.

One: The whole show is about people. The zombies aren't characters, they're atmosphere. It's the other humans that cause problem. ANY apocalypse setting would work.

Two: Network ain't cable. Gotta clean everything up. Too much gore or swearing and you're in trouble with the censors.

So while TV execs are pretty braindead seeming sometimes, it's not always the people so much as the rules. The FCC is the real problem.
 
2014-05-07 09:44:27 AM
So NBC got Revolution instead.  Good job NBC.
 
2014-05-07 09:56:49 AM
Wellon Dowd

As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.

I like your ideas. You should be an entertainment exec.
 
2014-05-07 09:59:31 AM
The zombies are the MacGuffin.  I'm curious to know what that exec thought might work in place of them?  Kittens, perhaps?
 
2014-05-07 10:02:48 AM

Wellon Dowd: As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.


Unfortunately, even though the FCC has no control over basic cable I've yet to see nudity on anything but the premium channels.
 
2014-05-07 10:03:01 AM

doglover: [The Walking Dead] actually did almost get made at NBC. It didn't get made because when the pilot was turned in, the famous story is one of the executives said, 'This is awesome. I really love this. Does it have to have zombies in it?

That's actually not an unreasonable question for this show on a network.

One: The whole show is about people. The zombies aren't characters, they're atmosphere. It's the other humans that cause problem. ANY apocalypse setting would work.


Mentat answered that question:

Mentat: So NBC got Revolution instead.  Good job NBC.


So yeah, advantage AMC.

Two: Network ain't cable. Gotta clean everything up. Too much gore or swearing and you're in trouble with the censors.

I could see that and it could've been done; I don't think the show could've been as riveting however.

So while TV execs are pretty braindead seeming sometimes, it's not always the people so much as the rules. The FCC is the real problem.

Still doesn't excuse the execs question.
 
2014-05-07 10:04:08 AM

HugsAndPuppies: The zombies are the MacGuffin.  I'm curious to know what that exec thought might work in place of them?  Kittens, perhaps?


In the case of People Argue and Sometimes There's Zombies, you could just replace them with sick people. Similar in all ways, but a lot cheaper to film and the FCC can't say no.
 
2014-05-07 10:06:14 AM

Fish in a Barrel: Honestly, I don't think it's that dumb of a question.  You could do a show similar to The Walking Dead without the zombies; just choose a different apocalypse.  Maybe the NBC guy saw the quality of the show, but was worried that zombies were too played-out or would turn off some potential viewers.

It still probably wouldn't have worked as a network show, but then AMC did their damnedest to kill the show their own way.


True, "The Road" came out a year prior to this.  Maybe the wanted to do a better job with that story.
 
2014-05-07 10:07:29 AM
Seeing how NBC made/allowed "Heroes" to go bad after the first season, I'm glad the Walking Dead did not wind up on NBC.
 
2014-05-07 10:16:50 AM

skinink: Seeing how NBC made/allowed "Heroes" to go bad after the first season, I'm glad the Walking Dead did not wind up on NBC.


You mentioned "Heroes".

I'm sad now.

So much wasted potential.

So very sad now.
 
2014-05-07 10:20:43 AM
And just for the record, I like Revolution.  But it ain't Walking Dead.
 
2014-05-07 10:21:44 AM

Son of Thunder: skinink: Seeing how NBC made/allowed "Heroes" to go bad after the first season, I'm glad the Walking Dead did not wind up on NBC.

You mentioned "Heroes".

I'm sad now.

So much wasted potential.

So very sad now.


Well arent they bringing it back to ruin it again?
 
2014-05-07 10:24:59 AM

Mentat: And just for the record, I like Revolution.  But it ain't Walking Dead.


I think it's an interesting premise with decent execution, but I don't think it has anywhere to go long-term.  Beyond a season or two the concept will be done.
 
2014-05-07 10:29:07 AM

groppet: Son of Thunder: skinink: Seeing how NBC made/allowed "Heroes" to go bad after the first season, I'm glad the Walking Dead did not wind up on NBC.

You mentioned "Heroes".

I'm sad now.

So much wasted potential.

So very sad now.

Well arent they bringing it back to ruin it again?


Now even more sad.
 
2014-05-07 10:29:34 AM

Mentat: So NBC got Revolution instead.  Good job NBC.


This. Revolution, as hammy as it is, is still much more entertaining and tells a more compelling story than TWD.
 
2014-05-07 10:32:27 AM

kronicfeld: Mugato: NBC has Hannibal, which is much gorier than the Walking Dead

Hannibal has its share of blood, dead bodies, severed limbs, and extruding organs, but it's much more "artistic," sterile and static in its presentation. So much of what you see is after the fact. The Walking Dead is far more animated and much grislier. The latter frequently shows people's bodies being ripped open and apart, skulls being crushed, body parts being severed; you see not only the carefully posed and arranged aftermath that Hannibal shows, but the action itself.


And then theres GoT...


img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-07 10:34:28 AM
Hannibal did feature the first 4-way (5-way?) I've ever seen on network TV last week, even if it was largely imaginary. NBC doesn't seem to have an issue with gore but I was surprised they allowed that much sex. Live body parts are much scarier than dead ones you know.
 
2014-05-07 10:34:51 AM
I think this article pretty much proves that many TV and movie studio executives have had their brains scooped out and replaced  with rat droppings.
 
2014-05-07 10:39:06 AM

Mugato: We were very concerned early on what kind of gore we were going to be able to film and what kind of boundaries we were going to be able to push with the show

Um, NBC has Hannibal, which is much gorier than the Walking Dead. Not as violent though, just a lot of corpses "arranged" in farked up ways.


Yea, they apparently got over that fear.
www.nbc.com/Rosemarys-Baby I saw that promo (had to look it up to make sure it wasn't on HBO) and couldn't believe it.  Another one of those commercials that freak my wife and daughter out (me a little too).
 
2014-05-07 10:40:27 AM

Mugato: Wellon Dowd: As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.

Unfortunately, even though the FCC has no control over basic cable I've yet to see nudity on anything but the premium channels.


Yeah, unfortunately the "MA" in TV-MA stands for "man ass" only.
 
2014-05-07 10:41:16 AM

TheGogmagog: Yea, they apparently got over that fear.
www.nbc.com/Rosemarys-Baby I saw that promo (had to look it up to make sure it wasn't on HBO) and couldn't believe it. Another one of those commercials that freak my wife and daughter out (me a little too).


I wonder if the remake will be as boring as the original.

//Yes, it was boring and not scary.
 
2014-05-07 10:42:07 AM

amindtat: Yeah, unfortunately the "MA" in TV-MA stands for "man ass" only.


Does Archer count?
 
2014-05-07 10:42:12 AM

Son of Thunder: I walked away from the show for a combination of a few different reasons. The human cello was one of them. That was the point at which it became clear to me that we weren't even pretending to be connected to the real world any more. Now all I can see is a bunch of writers trying to one-up each other in some game of "What's the Most Freaky-Weird Thing You Can Think Of to Do to a Corpse"


part of it is art, I mean the human cello had a purpose and a meaning that went with the story. I understand your concern that they could go "disturbing corpse one-upsmanship" thing but they at least have plausible explanations as to why a human would do such a thing, like the stuffing a body in a horse for a "rebirth"

/that, was probably the more disturbing corpse thing
//I actually liked the "replacing organs with flowers" one
///it will always be cannibalistic food porn though
 
2014-05-07 10:42:40 AM

Wellon Dowd: As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.

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Is that Elisabeth Rohm?
 
2014-05-07 10:43:35 AM
As long as NBC doesn't screw up the Blacklist I'm a happy camper.
 
2014-05-07 10:45:15 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Revolution


I couldn't get past Billy Burke as a bad-ass.  It's like watching Billy Crystal as a kung-fu master.
 
2014-05-07 10:46:00 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mentat: So NBC got Revolution instead.  Good job NBC.

This. Revolution, as hammy as it is, is still much more entertaining and tells a more compelling story than TWD.


Enjoying Revolution but damn it's violent. Juicy blood spurts as every henchmen gets sliced and diced by a sword. It's kinda sorta half off-screen but it's pretty heavy for network. That show has to have the all-time body count for henchmen. Not even '24' can match it.  Not to mention the concussion count. Every main character should be walking around in a hazy fog based on the number of times they've all been knocked out by a blow to the back of the head.
 
2014-05-07 10:48:25 AM

Wellon Dowd: we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.


I think I'll sacrifice a kitten or two in hopes that dream will come true.
 
2014-05-07 10:51:23 AM

Mugato: Wellon Dowd: As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.

Unfortunately, even though the FCC has no control over basic cable I've yet to see nudity on anything but the premium channels.


The Americans cuts it pretty close, though. No frontal nudity, but a lot of great ass shots and sideboob.
 
2014-05-07 10:56:22 AM

amindtat: Mugato: Wellon Dowd: As long as it isn't on a broadcast network we can hope that Beth will go full frontal.

Unfortunately, even though the FCC has no control over basic cable I've yet to see nudity on anything but the premium channels.

Yeah, unfortunately the "MA" in TV-MA stands for "man ass" only.


As I mentioned above, the Americans features some great bare female ass. The Russian woman working at the embassy has a particularly lovely one and she shows it off a lot.
 
2014-05-07 10:58:36 AM

Cyno01: kronicfeld: Mugato: NBC has Hannibal, which is much gorier than the Walking Dead

Hannibal has its share of blood, dead bodies, severed limbs, and extruding organs, but it's much more "artistic," sterile and static in its presentation. So much of what you see is after the fact. The Walking Dead is far more animated and much grislier. The latter frequently shows people's bodies being ripped open and apart, skulls being crushed, body parts being severed; you see not only the carefully posed and arranged aftermath that Hannibal shows, but the action itself.

And then theres GoT...


[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x477]



That was an extremely satisfying end for a hated character.
I just worry now that the show is setting us up to gut punch us again, like the end of last season.
 
2014-05-07 11:00:11 AM

kronicfeld: Hannibal has its share of blood, dead bodies, severed limbs, and extruding organs, but it's much more "artistic," sterile and static in its presentation.



Their chef consultant (assuming they have one) deserves an award.  I'm like "Well, he's eating people, but damn that dish looks tasty."
 
2014-05-07 11:06:23 AM

The_Sponge: Their chef consultant (assuming they have one) deserves an award.  I'm like "Well, he's eating people, but damn that dish looks tasty."


Me too, and I'm not big eater and certainly not a "foodie" but some of that looks scrumptious.

Mad_Radhu: s I mentioned above, the Americans features some great bare female ass. The Russian woman working at the embassy has a particularly lovely one and she shows it off a lot.


So is that show good, nudity aside? I tried to watch it but don't really get what it's about.
 
2014-05-07 11:11:21 AM

Mad_Radhu: The Russian woman working at the embassy has a particularly lovely one and she shows it off a lot.



I forgot her name, but the actress who plays her is Russian and Indian, which is a dynamite combination.  Hot damn.
 
2014-05-07 11:16:18 AM
Mugato

So is that show good, nudity aside? I tried to watch it but don't really get what it's about.

It's pretty good (IMO, obviously). It's about Russian agents passing as Americans during the Cold War to do Russian agent stuff.
 
2014-05-07 11:17:27 AM
Ah network executives.... is there anything they can't fark up?
 
2014-05-07 11:18:44 AM

HugsAndPuppies: The zombies are the MacGuffin.  I'm curious to know what that exec thought might work in place of them?  Kittens, perhaps?


they could move the show to FOX and replace zombies with "flash mobs" of dark skinned people.
 
2014-05-07 11:19:24 AM

mjbok: TheGogmagog: Yea, they apparently got over that fear.
www.nbc.com/Rosemarys-Baby I saw that promo (had to look it up to make sure it wasn't on HBO) and couldn't believe it. Another one of those commercials that freak my wife and daughter out (me a little too).

I wonder if the remake will be as boring as the original.

//Yes, it was boring and not scary.


I predict they'll drain it of every nuance and ambiguity, and take out the sexual politics, urban paranoia, and everything else that makes it interesting. It'll be like the remake of "The Stepford Wives": a movie for simpletons that thinks it's clever.
 
2014-05-07 11:22:20 AM

The_Sponge: Their chef consultant (assuming they have one) deserves an award.  I'm like "Well, he's eating people, but damn that dish looks tasty."


World-famous molecular gastronomist José Andrés.
 
2014-05-07 11:24:32 AM
I think Criminal Minds is more disturbing than anything else on TV.  As long as that show is on, I think the rest of the networks have a free pass.
 
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