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(LA Times)   Thailand court ousts Prime Minister. Many Red Shirts died to bring us this information   (latimes.com) divider line 27
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2014-05-07 09:45:35 AM  
Ying(out of)luck
 
2014-05-07 10:05:50 AM  
So will she be in office short time or long time?
 
2014-05-07 12:45:32 PM  
>Many Red Shirts died to bring us this information

Because Thai fighters are expendable, duh!
 
2014-05-07 12:56:06 PM  
What we have here is a fine example of judicial activism.  Now you look at this Thai Court and tell me it's too damned beaucoup.
 
2014-05-07 01:00:07 PM  
What is going on in Thailand is downright sad. The government and police are killing protestors (or letting the killers walk free without consequences with not even a token investigation).

The situation in Thailand is just another example of the super rich (the Thaksin clan and his cronies) usurping power under the guise of populism, with their real goal being the subjugation of the Thai people for their own enrichment.

I'm glad the constitutional court has at least delayed their nefarious scheme. Hopefully, these lying cheats stay out of power for good now.
 
2014-05-07 01:01:51 PM  
So could someone explain each side of this political conflict and what they stand for or against?
 
2014-05-07 01:22:53 PM  

rev. dave: So could someone explain each side of this political conflict and what they stand for or against?


Very roughly, the Red Shirts, the political movement supporting the government, are a populist force largely made of poor agriculturalists and constitute the majority of voters. They are opposed by the Yellow Shirts who constitute the upper and middle classes and are more conservative traditionalists when it comes to the personality cult surrounding the Thai king, tending to agree with the monarchy which tends to support the establishment and existing elite.

The Yellows, unable to win elections in recent years, have begun to throw hissy fits and launch coups whenever they feel threatened or feel the monarchy isn't being listened to. Remember that because Thailand was never colonized the old veneration of the king never broke like it did elsewhere and speaking ill of him will land you jail time.

The post defending the protesters above is typical anti democratic crap you hear Thai elites and hardline royalists spout. They love to throw around the "crony" label while slavishly heaping praise on a monarch that has time and time again led coups and violent crackdowns in support of Thai oligarchy.
 
2014-05-07 01:28:34 PM  

zeroman987: What is going on in Thailand is downright sad. The government and police are killing protestors (or letting the killers walk free without consequences with not even a token investigation).

The situation in Thailand is just another example of the super rich (the Thaksin clan and his cronies) usurping power under the guise of populism, with their real goal being the subjugation of the Thai people for their own enrichment.

I'm glad the constitutional court has at least delayed their nefarious scheme. Hopefully, these lying cheats stay out of power for good now.


The Reds support the super rich? Farking LOL. The Thai king is one of the wealthiest people on Earth and is the richest monarch alive while interfering for decades in Thai society to crush dissent and accrue power to himself and the Thai plutocracy within a system where he's supposed to act like the Queen of Great Britain.

The Reds aren't perfect at all, but don't sit there and spout royalist B.S..
 
2014-05-07 01:34:47 PM  
has any of this made it unsafe to travel there?
 
2014-05-07 01:36:01 PM  

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: rev. dave: So could someone explain each side of this political conflict and what they stand for or against?

Very roughly, the Red Shirts, the political movement supporting the government, are a populist force largely made of poor agriculturalists and constitute the majority of voters. They are opposed by the Yellow Shirts who constitute the upper and middle classes and are more conservative traditionalists when it comes to the personality cult surrounding the Thai king, tending to agree with the monarchy which tends to support the establishment and existing elite.

The Yellows, unable to win elections in recent years, have begun to throw hissy fits and launch coups whenever they feel threatened or feel the monarchy isn't being listened to. Remember that because Thailand was never colonized the old veneration of the king never broke like it did elsewhere and speaking ill of him will land you jail time.

The post defending the protesters above is typical anti democratic crap you hear Thai elites and hardline royalists spout. They love to throw around the "crony" label while slavishly heaping praise on a monarch that has time and time again led coups and violent crackdowns in support of Thai oligarchy.


You left out the fact the Thaksin family are absurdly corrupt and their admins pushed the nepotism even further.
 
2014-05-07 01:36:45 PM  

Yellow Beard: has any of this made it unsafe to travel there?


I wouldn't go; it's really tense there and not worth the risk right now.
 
2014-05-07 01:42:19 PM  

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Yellow Beard: has any of this made it unsafe to travel there?

I wouldn't go; it's really tense there and not worth the risk right now.


Just transfer through BKK straight to the islands (or north).
 
2014-05-07 01:46:54 PM  

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Yellow Beard: has any of this made it unsafe to travel there?

I wouldn't go; it's really tense there and not worth the risk right now.


I'm not going until March 2015. Was only planning on a couple days in BKK and then heading to Chumphon for a week, Pattaya for a few days, and then exploring the north like Chiang Mai. Hope it is all blown over by then. I'd hate for my first trip their to be my last.
 
2014-05-07 01:48:16 PM  
When Thaksin was a PM, he implemented a lot of great social programs, a lot of which appeals tremendously to the underpriviledged in Thailand.

However, he was brutal to his critics, his family benefit greatly from grafting. His downfall was a breakup with his former media mogul allies that was eating into his lunch.

No one, not even the red shirts, really doubt that his sister is a stand-in for Thaksin.
You can't just simply said it's Thai elites vs poor. There are more to it than that. You can't even said it's monarchy vs anti-monarchy, many of the Red Shirts used the king as the front too.
 
2014-05-07 01:54:11 PM  

Masso: When Thaksin was a PM, he implemented a lot of great social programs, a lot of which appeals tremendously to the underpriviledged in Thailand.

However, he was brutal to his critics, his family benefit greatly from grafting. His downfall was a breakup with his former media mogul allies that was eating into his lunch.

No one, not even the red shirts, really doubt that his sister is a stand-in for Thaksin.
You can't just simply said it's Thai elites vs poor. There are more to it than that. You can't even said it's monarchy vs anti-monarchy, many of the Red Shirts used the king as the front too.


I did oversimplify it, and I'm sorry. Also sorry for being snippy earlier to zeroman. The world is complicated and Thailand is no different.
 
2014-05-07 02:31:37 PM  

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: zeroman987: What is going on in Thailand is downright sad. The government and police are killing protestors (or letting the killers walk free without consequences with not even a token investigation).

The situation in Thailand is just another example of the super rich (the Thaksin clan and his cronies) usurping power under the guise of populism, with their real goal being the subjugation of the Thai people for their own enrichment.

I'm glad the constitutional court has at least delayed their nefarious scheme. Hopefully, these lying cheats stay out of power for good now.

The Reds support the super rich? Farking LOL. The Thai king is one of the wealthiest people on Earth and is the richest monarch alive while interfering for decades in Thai society to crush dissent and accrue power to himself and the Thai plutocracy within a system where he's supposed to act like the Queen of Great Britain.

The Reds aren't perfect at all, but don't sit there and spout royalist B.S..


So, what... the mobs are picking which rich people they want to support?  While protesters get beaten?

Sounds like (American) democracy.
 
2014-05-07 02:39:51 PM  

Stile4aly: What we have here is a fine example of judicial activism.  Now you look at this Thai Court and tell me it's too damned beaucoup.


Really?  Then I'm sure you'd be happy to point out how the decision was wrong legally?  The evidence seemed overwhelming and the decision seems to follow the letter of the law.
 
2014-05-07 03:00:32 PM  

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: rev. dave: So could someone explain each side of this political conflict and what they stand for or against?

Very roughly, the Red Shirts, the political movement supporting the government, are a populist force largely made of poor agriculturalists and constitute the majority of voters. They are opposed by the Yellow Shirts who constitute the upper and middle classes and are more conservative traditionalists when it comes to the personality cult surrounding the Thai king, tending to agree with the monarchy which tends to support the establishment and existing elite.

The Yellows, unable to win elections in recent years, have begun to throw hissy fits and launch coups whenever they feel threatened or feel the monarchy isn't being listened to. Remember that because Thailand was never colonized the old veneration of the king never broke like it did elsewhere and speaking ill of him will land you jail time.

The post defending the protesters above is typical anti democratic crap you hear Thai elites and hardline royalists spout. They love to throw around the "crony" label while slavishly heaping praise on a monarch that has time and time again led coups and violent crackdowns in support of Thai oligarchy.


Thank you.

So another old ways versus new ways conflict.
 
2014-05-07 03:13:28 PM  

Yellow Beard: has any of this made it unsafe to travel there?


No, but one night there can make a hard man humble.
 
2014-05-07 03:20:33 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Stile4aly: What we have here is a fine example of judicial activism.  Now you look at this Thai Court and tell me it's too damned beaucoup.

Really?  Then I'm sure you'd be happy to point out how the decision was wrong legally?  The evidence seemed overwhelming and the decision seems to follow the letter of the law.


It was meant to be a play on Full Metal Jacket, but I failed to quote the preceding post where UberDave asked if she would serve a long time.

I am in a world of shiat.
 
2014-05-07 03:24:55 PM  

LucklessWonder: Yellow Beard: has any of this made it unsafe to travel there?

No, but one night there can make a hard man humble.


will I feel the devil walking next to me?
 
2014-05-07 03:55:15 PM  
My wife is Chiang Mai right now.  No troubles, but they left Bangkok just three days ago, so I was happy to hear that.
 
2014-05-07 03:56:56 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: My wife is Chiang Mai right now.  No troubles, but they left Bangkok just three days ago, so I was happy to hear that.


They had a lot of earthquake damage in Chiang Mai, didn't they?
 
2014-05-07 04:24:48 PM  
Corrupt or not, the Thai people have repeatedly elected the Shinawatras and their allies. They keep getting overthrown or convicted or otherwise removed from office, and then they win again! Maybe if the yellow shirts want to control the government they should adjust some of their policies to be more appealing rather than shutting down Bangkok with protests for months until they get their way. The Constitutional Court is a ridiculous entity.
 
2014-05-07 04:45:16 PM  

NobleHam: Corrupt or not, the Thai people have repeatedly elected the Shinawatras and their allies. They keep getting overthrown or convicted or otherwise removed from office, and then they win again! Maybe if the yellow shirts want to control the government they should adjust some of their policies to be more appealing rather than shutting down Bangkok with protests for months until they get their way. The Constitutional Court is a ridiculous entity.


Son, may be if the Shinawatras want to control the government, they shouldn't be convicted of corruptions.
 
2014-05-07 06:15:15 PM  

Yellow Beard: They had a lot of earthquake damage in Chiang Mai, didn't they?


From reports, yes.  I know there have been power outages.  From the little I've been able to talke to my wife, they haven't seen much but our communications are more focused on important things like where's my good belt and how I thought all the plants in the living room were plastic but now they're ex-plants.  This is the only picture I've received so far.

fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net

(My wife is the photographer, not pictured)
 
2014-05-07 06:57:03 PM  

Masso: NobleHam: Corrupt or not, the Thai people have repeatedly elected the Shinawatras and their allies. They keep getting overthrown or convicted or otherwise removed from office, and then they win again! Maybe if the yellow shirts want to control the government they should adjust some of their policies to be more appealing rather than shutting down Bangkok with protests for months until they get their way. The Constitutional Court is a ridiculous entity.

Son, may be if the Shinawatras want to control the government, they shouldn't be convicted of corruptions.


In this case it's a pretty stupid conviction. It's like complaining that Obama didn't keep Bush's National Security Advisor. Anyway, they're no more corrupt than the opposition.
 
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