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(Major League Baseball)   Baseball got its first old school manager blowup of the season thanks to Laz Diaz's lack of knowledge about the strike zone   (m.mlb.com) divider line 49
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2014-05-06 09:26:59 PM
I can't stand the Yankees, but that call sucked balls.
 
2014-05-07 12:11:20 AM
It was a ball but it wasn't the worst call in the world, or probably even in that game. The pitch took a serious dive at the end. Girardi probably did that simply to fire up his team. IIRC, it didn't work.
 
2014-05-07 12:21:02 AM
Can't argue balls and strikes.  Even the little league coaches know that.
 
2014-05-07 01:02:35 AM
That faux outrage is laughable.
 
2014-05-07 03:40:54 AM
Sweet. I've missed managerial meltdowns.
 
2014-05-07 03:42:33 AM
Earl Weaver would call Girardi's performance "an okay warmup".
 
2014-05-07 03:46:06 AM
That call was 100% correct. The Wankees just don't like playing by the rules. Knee high... it's a strike all day, every day.

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2014-05-07 03:51:48 AM
I think we need to hear Mike Scioscia's side of this story.

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2014-05-07 06:21:10 AM

Gulper Eel: Earl Weaver would call Girardi's performance "an okay warmup".


"The problem with Earl, is he holds a grudge. Other managers, if they disagree with a call, may holler and shout, but you can still go out for a beer with them after the game. Not Earl. He never forgets. Heck, he even holds your minor league record against you. Once, a couple of years ago, I made a controversial call at the plate. Earl charged out of the dugout, screaming that that was the same call I'd blown at Elmira in '66. That sort of thing can get to you." - Ron Luciano in Sports Illustrated (March 1, 1982, 'The Ump and the Manager')
 
2014-05-07 07:04:49 AM

Danger Avoid Death: I think we need to hear Mike Scioscia's side of this story.

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2014-05-07 07:53:28 AM

Gulper Eel: Earl Weaver would call Girardi's performance "an okay warmup".


You're going into the hall of fame for what farking up World Series?

/Love that clip
 
2014-05-07 08:02:16 AM
As much as I like Ken Singleton, he needs to be reminded that it's where the ball crosses the plate and not where it goes into the catcher's glove.  The pitch was much closer than Singleton implied.  A call goes against the Yankees.  Break out the tiny violins.
 
2014-05-07 08:12:39 AM
You know, as I watched Girardi go crazy on that call I thought to myself, I cannot remember the last time I got that angry about something... anything.
 
2014-05-07 08:24:32 AM

JPINFV: That call was 100% correct. The Wankees just don't like playing by the rules. Knee high... it's a strike all day, every day.

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Unless Diaz hadn't been calling it all game or knee high is a ball for the Angels.
 
2014-05-07 08:29:37 AM

Pincy: Can't argue balls and strikes.  Even the little league coaches know that.


Yes, you can, as the video clearly demonstrates.
 
2014-05-07 09:27:55 AM

violentsalvation: It was a ball but it wasn't the worst call in the world, or probably even in that game. The pitch took a serious dive at the end. Girardi probably did that simply to fire up his team. IIRC, it didn't work.


Bingo - Girardi wasn't pissed because a single borderline pitch was called against his team.  He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD.

I knew it wasn't going to happen, but watching that video I really, really hoped Girardi would headbutt that asshole.  Yeah, it's just a game and all that, but nobody makes it his mission to be a douchebag quite like Laz Diaz.
 
2014-05-07 09:36:22 AM
HaHa
 
2014-05-07 09:42:56 AM
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Picture of Joe Giardi about to get tossed
 
2014-05-07 09:43:52 AM

idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD


I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.
 
2014-05-07 09:49:17 AM

Marcus Aurelius: idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD

I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.


I think you can end that sentence right there. Maybe it's because I'm in my early thirties (fark...) but I'm not so old school I care about the "human element."  If they can make an effective computer system for calling balls and strikes, fine by me.  Umps suck. And if the old school fans like umps so much, they could put an animatronic ump behind the catcher to voice and gesture the calls as made by the computer, just for appearances.
 
2014-05-07 09:58:34 AM

idesofmarch: Marcus Aurelius: idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD

I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.

I think you can end that sentence right there. Maybe it's because I'm in my early thirties (fark...) but I'm not so old school I care about the "human element."  If they can make an effective computer system for calling balls and strikes, fine by me.  Umps suck. And if the old school fans like umps so much, they could put an animatronic ump behind the catcher to voice and gesture the calls as made by the computer, just for appearances.


Ha.. and for all the hipsters, make it ironically low tech.
 
2014-05-07 10:18:10 AM

Marcus Aurelius: idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD

I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.


idesofmarch: Maybe it's because I'm in my early thirties (fark...) but I'm not so old school I care about the "human element." If they can make an effective computer system for calling balls and strikes, fine by me. Umps suck. And if the old school fans like umps so much, they could put an animatronic ump behind the catcher to voice and gesture the calls as made by the computer, just for appearances.


Like this?

It already exists, in every MLB ballpark, and tracks every pitch to within an inch or so.  The data is available in real time, and posted to the public.  That graph is C.J. Wilson's strike zone from the game in question.

All it would take to implement near-perfect ball/strike calls is an earpiece for the umpire.  The computer makes the call, and you still have the guy on the field to signal it to the players and fans.  Many baseball broadcasts superimpose each pitch's location on a strike zone, and fans at home notice how often the umps botch calls.

Umpires don't want it because they like to think they're Very Important People on the field.  I don't pay to see them, so I'd prefer if the balls and strikes were based on what the players do.
 
2014-05-07 10:18:43 AM

Gulper Eel: Earl Weaver would call Girardi's performance "an okay warmup".


Earl would have thrown the ump out of the gamei2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-05-07 10:21:06 AM

chimp_ninja: Like this?


Weird.  I even previewed it and it worked there.

Link to a whole mess of charts showing what PitchF/x tracks in real time.  Location, velocity, release point, spin (in RPM, as well as the axis), horizontal and vertical 'break', etc.

Balls and strikes are trivial compared to all that.
 
2014-05-07 10:22:42 AM

Marcus Aurelius: idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD

I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.


http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php

Every pitch from every game is already tracked by pitch f/x. That particular pitch was low by ~2" but since the ball is 3" diameter the edge of the ball was out of the strikezone by ~1/2". Not that bad of a call
 
2014-05-07 10:23:03 AM

Suflig: JPINFV: That call was 100% correct. The Wankees just don't like playing by the rules. Knee high... it's a strike all day, every day.

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Unless Diaz hadn't been calling it all game or knee high is a ball for the Angels.


this is why a computer should call the balls and strikes.  we have the technology, the ump and still yell out ball and strike

reason # 2

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We don't need anymore of these

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-consider-eric-gregg-and-livan-he rn andez-in-the-1997-nlcs/
 
2014-05-07 10:23:12 AM
Stupid Fark, even botching the link.  Go to http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php , and click through to see any pitcher from any game.
 
2014-05-07 10:26:58 AM

chimp_ninja: chimp_ninja: Like this?

Weird.  I even previewed it and it worked there.

Link to a whole mess of charts showing what PitchF/x tracks in real time.  Location, velocity, release point, spin (in RPM, as well as the axis), horizontal and vertical 'break', etc.

Balls and strikes are trivial compared to all that.


The problem with pitch f/x is that it give a strikezone plane instead of a volume. I like it but it doesn't give the complete picture (at least to the public)

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2014-05-07 10:35:48 AM
Maybe EA sports can make the ball and strike calling machine you guys want?
 
2014-05-07 10:35:49 AM

satanorsanta: Every pitch from every game is already tracked by pitch f/x


But the data is not used to fire bad umpires, so it is useless.
 
2014-05-07 10:35:54 AM

chimp_ninja: Stupid Fark, even botching the link.  Go to http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php , and click through to see any pitcher from any game.


Thanks - I knew there was a lot of advanced tracking going on - before replay was added to baseball I always argued that tennis has a pinpoint accurate system for their replay/challenge system, and that if tennis could do it, so could baseball.
Sadly, there's a ton of opposition to using computerized calling, from the umpires (obviously) to a good chunk of the fans.  As to managers and players, I don't know where they fall - you'd think they wouldn't want bad calls going against them, but they do sometimes benefit from them too, so it's a toss up.
 
2014-05-07 10:39:02 AM

Marcus Aurelius: satanorsanta: Every pitch from every game is already tracked by pitch f/x

But the data is not used to fire bad umpires, so it is useless.


eh, at least it gives us solid foundation for knowing which ones suck.  That's not nothing.
 
2014-05-07 10:49:41 AM
Laz Diaz has been bought and paid for by the makers of pitch-tracking technology. He does more than almost anybody else in the fight for taking pitch-calling duties away from the umps.

/in favor of technology
 
2014-05-07 10:55:16 AM

satanorsanta: chimp_ninja: chimp_ninja: Like this?

Weird.  I even previewed it and it worked there.

Link to a whole mess of charts showing what PitchF/x tracks in real time.  Location, velocity, release point, spin (in RPM, as well as the axis), horizontal and vertical 'break', etc.

Balls and strikes are trivial compared to all that.

The problem with pitch f/x is that it give a strikezone plane instead of a volume. I like it but it doesn't give the complete picture (at least to the public)

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I know what the pictures show, but if umps started calling anything above the belt a strike, players would lose their minds.

The high strike is virtually non-existent.
 
2014-05-07 11:14:47 AM

runwiz: As much as I like Ken Singleton, he needs to be reminded that it's where the ball crosses the plate and not where it goes into the catcher's glove.  The pitch was much closer than Singleton implied.  A call goes against the Yankees.  Break out the tiny violins.


I envision Girardi's argument going something like this... "We're the farking Yankees, you don't make borderline calls AGAINST us!"
 
2014-05-07 11:30:21 AM

chimp_ninja: Marcus Aurelius: idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD

I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.

idesofmarch: Maybe it's because I'm in my early thirties (fark...) but I'm not so old school I care about the "human element." If they can make an effective computer system for calling balls and strikes, fine by me. Umps suck. And if the old school fans like umps so much, they could put an animatronic ump behind the catcher to voice and gesture the calls as made by the computer, just for appearances.

Like this?

It already exists, in every MLB ballpark, and tracks every pitch to within an inch or so.  The data is available in real time, and posted to the public.  That graph is C.J. Wilson's strike zone from the game in question.

All it would take to implement near-perfect ball/strike calls is an earpiece for the umpire.  The computer makes the call, and you still have the guy on the field to signal it to the players and fans.  Many baseball broadcasts superimpose each pitch's location on a strike zone, and fans at home notice how often the umps botch calls.


Give the umps a HUD with that graph on it, maybe an indicator when the ball crosses the plate. Maybe Google Glass?

/Or Boba Fett helmets
//Yeah, that's the ticket
 
2014-05-07 12:10:40 PM

chimp_ninja: That graph is C.J. Wilson's strike zone from the game in question.


Wilson didn't pitch that game.  Wilson pitched yesterday, the 6th.  The game in question is from the 5th, it was Weaver on the mound.

idesofmarch: Bingo - Girardi wasn't pissed because a single borderline pitch was called against his team. He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD.


His zone didn't appear to be that bad, at least according to the strikezone plot over at brooksbaseball.net.  Maybe that particular pitch could have easily been called a ball, since one pitch in particular at about the same height he called a ball earlier.  That being said, and as some have pointed out, I don't feel the strike zone, or even that strike in general were  what Girardi cared about, it seems he was just trying to give his team something to rally around, no matter if he was in the wrong or right.
 
2014-05-07 12:31:54 PM
Maybe they should e vote on balls and strikes so fans at home can decide.
 
2014-05-07 01:18:39 PM
 

Marcus Aurelius: idesofmarch: He was pissed because Laz Diaz' strike zone jumped around like ferret on LSD

I would love the computers to track the balls and strikes, and then rate the umpires on how well they agreed with the computers.  If you can't call them with a high degree of accuracy, you're gone.  There's no excuse for umps like Diaz.


Last article I read about this was that it wasn't Diaz's accuracy that was the problem. He really didn't miss the calls to speak of and every disputed call was defensible. But he deserved a one-game suspension, for showing up a player and generally being an asshat.

I think it's a good idea.
 
2014-05-07 01:29:28 PM
That pitch could've been called either way. It wasn't a horrible call. It's not like the ball was two feet off the plate and he called it a strike. But even if it was an obviously blown call, arguing balls and strikes will get you tossed quicker than most anything else you can do.

With that said, Laz Diaz is a horrible umpire. Just awful. He's almost as bad as Angel Hernandez.
 
2014-05-07 02:03:58 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Pincy: Can't argue balls and strikes.  Even the little league coaches know that.

Yes, you can, as the video clearly demonstrates.


Well, you can if you want to get thrown out.
 
2014-05-07 02:07:01 PM
Umps are allowed to taunt players?  Sheeeeeeeit.
 
2014-05-07 02:08:52 PM
the thing i don't understand is why baseball umpires feel the need to be a visible part of the game.  their ego has become a cultural thing, and it needs to change.

i've ref'd basketball for many years, at the college/high school level...i absolutely hate it when i have to T a player/coach, or eject a coach/fan...my idea of a perfect game is when i'm invisible, and leave the arena without being noticed.
 
2014-05-07 03:25:25 PM

stir22: the thing i don't understand is why baseball umpires feel the need to be a visible part of the game.  their ego has become a cultural thing, and it needs to change.

i've ref'd basketball for many years, at the college/high school level...i absolutely hate it when i have to T a player/coach, or eject a coach/fan...my idea of a perfect game is when i'm invisible, and leave the arena without being noticed.


That. Some of the highest praise you can get as an official is "nobody remembers you." It kinda boggles my mind that Major League Baseball and the Umpires Association don't drum these guys out. It makes everybody look bad, and it's not like there's a dearth of talent in the system. If they don't know how to communicate with professional players, they shouldn't be umpiring professional players.

/Hockey ref
 
2014-05-07 03:30:04 PM

stir22: i've ref'd basketball for many years, at the college/high school level...i absolutely hate it when i have to T a player/coach, or eject a coach/fan...my idea of a perfect game is when i'm invisible, and leave the arena without being noticed.


So...not like this, then? :)

http://deadspin.com/joey-crawford-is-still-a-shiat-1569760901
 
2014-05-07 03:31:08 PM

Scrotastic Method: stir22: i've ref'd basketball for many years, at the college/high school level...i absolutely hate it when i have to T a player/coach, or eject a coach/fan...my idea of a perfect game is when i'm invisible, and leave the arena without being noticed.

So...not like this, then? :)

http://deadspin.com/joey-crawford-is-still-a-shiat-1569760901


Crap the filter messed up the link/ You should be able to tell what to change, or  here's the functioning one.
 
2014-05-07 03:34:32 PM

robertus: stir22: the thing i don't understand is why baseball umpires feel the need to be a visible part of the game.  their ego has become a cultural thing, and it needs to change.

i've ref'd basketball for many years, at the college/high school level...i absolutely hate it when i have to T a player/coach, or eject a coach/fan...my idea of a perfect game is when i'm invisible, and leave the arena without being noticed.

That. Some of the highest praise you can get as an official is "nobody remembers you." It kinda boggles my mind that Major League Baseball and the Umpires Association don't drum these guys out. It makes everybody look bad, and it's not like there's a dearth of talent in the system. If they don't know how to communicate with professional players, they shouldn't be umpiring professional players.

/Hockey ref


amen, brother.  fwiw, i have the HIGHEST respect for hockey refs.  the speed at which that game goes is...beyond me.

Scrotastic Method: stir22: i've ref'd basketball for many years, at the college/high school level...i absolutely hate it when i have to T a player/coach, or eject a coach/fan...my idea of a perfect game is when i'm invisible, and leave the arena without being noticed.

So...not like this, then? :)

http://deadspin.com/joey-crawford-is-still-a-shiat-1569760901


crawford is something else.  his reputation as far as play-calling and court positioning, and on-court mechanics is stellar.   he just needs to be...seen.   not me.
 
2014-05-07 04:26:42 PM

mikaloyd: Maybe EA sports can make the ball and strike calling machine you guys want?


When I was a kid I would look at the ads in the back of baseball magazines, and see them selling a "ball and strike indicator." I actually thought that's what it was.
 
2014-05-07 04:54:33 PM

robertus: /Or Boba Fett helmets


And rockets for heading off stupid manager tricks.
 
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